James Jesus Angleton

[James Richards]

Tim,

What is your source on Godell? Google turns up nothing. I also tried Goodell.

At the 1996 November in Dallas Conference, Hemming named "Godell" or "Goodell" as one of the people who should have been arrested in the immediate aftermath of the assassination. Having never heard of the Godell you refer to, I thought Hemming must be referring to Charles Goodell, the NY senator. I asked Hemming on this forum why he named Goodell, but he never responded. Your info at least tells me the actual person he was apparently referring to.

Ron

In addition to William Godell, there was a little known Agency man named Thaxter Goodell. He was associated with Victor Marchetti somehow and I think he may have handled Luis Aparicio, AKA Daniel Flores.

Goodell also wrote a thing called "Cratology Pays Off" which was a detailed analysis of containers carrying weapons. This came in handy during the missile crisis.

FWIW.

James

[John Bevilaqua]

Does anyone think Angleton was the the mastermind behind the JFK assassination? given the order from a single source, and he took care of the rest?

I think Angleton was part of a very powerful trio of masterminds behind the JFK assassination, all charter members of

The American Security Council, the right-wing counterpart of The National Security Council. The ASC was described

in detail by William Turner in Power on the Right in about 1970 or shortly before that. It consisted of Jim Angleton

from the CIA, Charles Willoughby, Army Intelligence, formerly MacArthur's G-2 in the Phillipines and Korea before being sacked

by Dean Rusk and Dean Acheson at the behest of President Truman, and Dr. Robert J. Morris formerly in ONI, head of the Dallas

John Birch Society who was later described as "...the real brains behind McCarthyism" by Whittaker Chambers in Morris'

obituary. Whittaker Chambers should know a thing or two about McCarthyism, he was very prominent in that movement

and was also involved in the persecution and prosecution of Alger Hiss, as I recollect.

As a sidenote even Richard Condon, in The Manchurian Candidate wrote about Robert J. Morris and Jim Angleton in 1958

when there were already rumblings to murder JFK while he was still a US Senator from Massachusetts as documented by

Dr. Jerry Rose in a Third Decade or Fourth Decade article. "The California Bombers" was the title of the article I think.

I can give anyone the Manchurian Candidate citations to Robert Morris, Jim Angleton, William F. Buckley, Ray S. Cline, and

Dr. Revilo P. Oliver, who appeared as a Warren Commission witness 6 years later, if someone would like to see them but be

forewarned that Condon had to refer to these people using very thinly veiled references and by using anagrams, so this may

be hard to swallow for some. For instance Buckley was referred to as "...that young man who wrote about Man and God at Yale."

He actually wrote "God and Man at Yale." And Ray S. Cline was referred to by using an anagram which deconstructed into:

"John E. is Rey S. Kline" or "Johnny" is Ray S. Cline, which to real purists is a total abomination but to me is the only way

that Condon could embed references to members of an actual JFK plot in 1958. Match up the letters in "John Yerkes Iselin"

to the letters in: "John E. is Rey S. Kline" and draw your own conclusions. The chances of this happening randomly are about

1 in a billion or more. Or match up the letters in Senator "Thomas Jordan" to Senator "J. Strom Thormond" admittedly

misspelled but perhaps to make the point that Senator Thurmond was more closely related to Thor, the God of War than to an

innocent Senator. There are about a dozen or more Manchurian Candidate veiled references like these and they all point to

people who knew each other and collaborated with each other in Reich Wing Extremist causes and campaigns besides the murder

of JFK, so draw your own conclusions. It is ironic that at least 10 of the 12 persons referenced were either members of The

John Birch Society or The Pioneer Fund or were identified by JFK researchers as being otherwise part of the successful JFK

murder plot in 1963.

[John Bevilaqua]

James Jesus Angleton was in no sense "right," "correct" or ever vindicated.

His paranoid and counter productive decimation of US intelligence is well documented. The failure of Angleton to ever find any high level SOviet moles in US intelligence is a well worn fact in US diplomatic history.

Angleton's hysterical witch hunts reeked of McCarthyism and the worst kind of Cold War character assassination.

To be very clear, James Jesus Angleton was himself responsible for the grave defects in US intelligence morale during his reign as Counter Intelligence Chief at the Central Intelligence Agency. The witchhunt ruined many carrers, while shrowded in secrecy, and his victims were unable to pursue legal recourse to regain their tarnished reputations and ruined careers.

AJ Weberman's opinions on this matter of no real interest, as this is the YIPPIE most famous for digging through Bob Dylan's garbage, and his opinion about ALdrich Ames and Angleton bears no weight in serious discussions of Angleton's malfeasance and hysterical, reckless behaviour.

No Mr. Angleton was not right, and his decimation of the agency was a travesty of justice unparalleled in US diplomatic history......

Here are 2 of John Simkin's citations on James Jesus Angleton with my comments:

(1) "James Jesus Angleton was born in Boise, Idaho, on 9th December, 1917. His father, James Hugh Angleton, was a former cavalry officer who met his wife, Carmen Mercedes Moreno, while serving in Mexico."

In fact it is fascinating to note that James H. Angleton, George O. Draper and Charles Willoughby (as I recall) were all cavalry

officers riding under General John J. Pershing's command chasing down the Mexican bandit Pancho Villa. This nefarious trio

began the Eugenic cleansing tradition of "head hunting", chasing after recalcitrant, non-White rebellious upstarts who dared

to challenge their way of life or their authority.

Tom Mangold, Angleton's biographer even characterized James Hugh Angleton's tenure in Italy with NCR thusly: (paraphrasing) "Jim Angleton's father was very pro-Fascist when he ran the NCR franchise in Italy. You could say he was not anti-Mussolini but actually quite friendly with him and his associates."

(2) "In 1993 Cleveland Cram completed a study carried out on behalf of the CIA's Center for the Study of Intelligence (CSI). Of Moles and Molehunters: A Review of Counterintelligence Literature. This document was declassified in 2003. In the document Cram reveals that several senior CIA officers, including Clare Edward Petty, Angleton's assistant, were convinced that the former Chief of Counterintelligence, was a KGB agent."

My conclusion is that Jim Angleton was actually a Fascist pro-Nazi agent following in his father's footsteps, and may have doubled

as a KGB Agent as well in order to collect information from both sides to use for his sole benefit. Mangold portrayed Jim J.

Angleton as being a true paranoid almost schizophrenic anti-Communist who constantly spouted John Birch styled propaganda.

And Richard Condon's veiled references to Jim Angleton in Manchurian Candidate implies that Angleton was involved with the

MK-ULTRA Mind Control projects as well as part of his CIA activity. Angleton would not have missed an opportunity to get

involved with any major CIA project during his tenure, in fact, IMHO.

Jim Angleton and Lt. Col. Philip J. Corso also were responsible for deciding which Nazi war criminals got Vatican Ratline passes to

South America because they influenced and controlled Giovanni Battista Montini, the Papal Nuncio for the Vatican who eventually

became Pope himself. (Pope Paul II perhaps?). Corso in a Jupiter, Florida Times article once admitted to his version of the

Vatican Ratline: "Jim Angleton and I worked closely with Giovanni Battista Montini on expediting the arrest and incarceration of

known Nazi agents." (Yeah, right!) "We would tell him that we wanted this guy or that guy and he would arrange to have them

escorted into an alley behind his Vatican offices with "Vatican credentials" in hand, thinking that he was going to be set free,

and instead we would be waiting there for him with a Jeep loaded with MPs to whisk him away to jail."

My take? Angleton and Corso, both strong Nazi sympathizers and essentially double agents like Charles Willoughby, really

did arrange safe passage for these special handling cases, straight to safety in South America or whereever. And poor Montini

was left to bear the brunt of the blame and the guilt for facilitating the passage of Nazi War Criminals through the Vatican.

This is probably contrary to popular belief but in fact Montini would have little choice but to trust Angleton and Corso on their

choices and their recommendations.

[Nathaniel Heidenheimer]

Very interesting. I have never heard such direct informed speculation about Angleton, apart from the usual vagueness about the possibility of his being a Soviet mole. John Prados, in his bio of William Colby, writes that Colby was surprised at Angleton's end run around the Rome CIA office, but eventually grew to expect it. I wonder if Mr. Bevilaque has heard of this and if he thinks this involves the same Vatican contact.

Also Colby's star tended to rise in proportion as Angleton's sank, or at least unitl George Bush became head of CIA in 1976. Any information on whether

Colby may have been aware of Angleton's far right connections and his connections with old China Lobby hands as they may have effected Vietnam policy, and earlier in Italy. If so perhaps this knowledge might eventually have contribued to the CIA whispering campaign against Colby and his eventual paddless canoe.

[John Bevilaqua]

Very interesting. I have never heard such direct informed speculation about Angleton, apart from the usual vagueness about the possibility of his being a Soviet mole. John Prados, in his bio of William Colby, writes that Colby was surprised at Angleton's end run around the Rome CIA office, but eventually grew to expect it. I wonder if Mr. Bevilaque has heard of this and if he thinks this involves the same Vatican contact.

Also Colby's star tended to rise in proportion as Angleton's sank, or at least unitl George Bush became head of CIA in 1976. Any information on whether

Colby may have been aware of Angleton's far right connections and his connections with old China Lobby hands as they may have effected Vietnam policy, and earlier in Italy. If so perhaps this knowledge might eventually have contribued to the CIA whispering campaign against Colby and his eventual paddless canoe.

Actually Angleton was probably a double mole since he served as an ally of such Cold War Fascists on the American Security Council as Robert J. Morris, Charles A. Willoughby and Ray S. Cline and was considered a John Bircher type by Tom Mangold. Angleton's father was a Mussolini Fascist in Italy while running the NCR franchise in Italy according to Mangold. I don't think the acorn falls far from the tree. See my other posts on Angleton in this thread and others. Another little known set of facts about Angleton involve his handling of General Bonner Fellers and the relayed info from his Cairo outpost to Italy early in WW II about General Montgomery's tank and troop movements. There is an author who swears that Fellers deliberately expedited Montgomery's tank movement plans from Cairo to Rome to Berlin via Angleton and that the Desert Fox, Rommel, got all the credit for "anticipating" Montgomery's every move. Well if Monty sent his plans to Fellers and if Fellers was a Nazi mole like German born American Generals like Willoughby, Albert C. Wedemeyer and George Stratemeyer who was a Liberty Lobby stooge riding in the lead car in Dealey Plaza, then OF COURSE Rommel appeared to be The Desert Fox. Duhhh! Fellers was in The Manchurian Candidate as General "Fighting" Frank Bollinger as well which turned me on to him in the first place.

As if the accumulated evidence against Fellers in google.books.com or google.com or groups.google.com alt.conspiracy.com

was not enough even Richard Condon in The Manchurian Candidate was on to him by 1958... Albert C. Wedemeyer was subjected

to a "barium leak" loyalty test and failed early in WW II. Check it out on Google. Stratemeyer was on The Liberty Lobby Board

of Policy and is another German born American General who had split loyalties to say the least.

"General Francis Bollinger" from The Manchurian Candidate is an anagram for: "General Bonner Fellirs, CIA or CI for Counter Intelligence"

Also Angleton ran the Vatican Rat Lines with another Fascist, Liberty Lobby moron Colonel Philip J. Corso who totally controlled

Giovannit Battista Montini. See my other posts on Montini, Angleton and Corso in this Ed Forum. Corso ended up claiming that

he witnessed Alien Autopsies in Area 51 so all of his JFK stuff is total garbage and bullxxxx. And some people like John Anderson used to use

Corso and Prouty references as if they brought down the tablets from Mt. Sinai with Moses. Back to the drawing board for him and

anyone else who cited Corso or Prouty who are both pathologically twisted liars pushing the Right Wing Agenda. Condon anagrams are only icing on the cake used to confirm likely knowledge of the 1958 attempt on JFK's life when a US Senator documented by Dr. Jerry Rose in The Third Decade Journal.

How was Hugh Angleton Jim's father in ManCand? Ole Banstoffsen Washington becomes "H. Angleton B Waffen SS Notsi"

Yeah, yeah I know.... hard to swallow, but take some Applesauce with it and it goes down a whole lot more smoothly.

And remember it was Tom Mangold, Jim's biographer, who said that Hugh Angleton was a pro-Mussolini Fascist, not me.

And it was Bill Turner and Mae Brussell who said that The American Security Council was rampant with pro-Nazis not me.

Bank this one, too.

[John Bevilaqua]

James Jesus Angleton was in no sense "right," "correct" or ever vindicated.

His paranoid and counter productive decimation of US intelligence is well documented. The failure of Angleton to ever find any high level SOviet moles in US intelligence is a well worn fact in US diplomatic history.

Angleton's hysterical witch hunts reeked of McCarthyism and the worst kind of Cold War character assassination.

To be very clear, James Jesus Angleton was himself responsible for the grave defects in US intelligence morale during his reign as Counter Intelligence Chief at the Central Intelligence Agency. The witchhunt ruined many carrers, while shrowded in secrecy, and his victims were unable to pursue legal recourse to regain their tarnished reputations and ruined careers.

AJ Weberman's opinions on this matter of no real interest, as this is the YIPPIE most famous for digging through Bob Dylan's garbage, and his opinion about ALdrich Ames and Angleton bears no weight in serious discussions of Angleton's malfeasance and hysterical, reckless behaviour.

No Mr. Angleton was not right, and his decimation of the agency was a travesty of justice unparalleled in US diplomatic history......

Shanet, I would agree with you wholeheartedly. And Seymour Hersch did not "discover" Angleton's program to read the mail

of US Citizens, I think this information was "leaked" to him my the CIA and used to justify the garrotting and firing

of Angleton after the CIA finally figured Angleton out. Seymour Hersch was basically a borderline dolt who once published

the "First Wife of JFK" bullxxxx articles spread by none other than Rev. Gerald L K Smith almost 30 years before Hersch's

Camelot book. Her name was supposedly something like "Boisvelet". He had to pull the chapters out of his book before

or after some were printed. THAT is how good some of the Right Wing Brainwashing BS can actually be. This is the same

method used against Sacco and Vanzetti, Alger Hiss, McCarthy victims, HUAC targets, etc. This is the same method now

PERFECTED by Professor Ken Rahn (The Kahn Man) formerly from URI. Plausibly believable information obfuscated

and then twisted into pseudo factual renditions. Rahn actually claimed indirectly using his contorted logic, that since Jet-Effects

could make JFK's 15-lb head snap backwards, it implied that Farts (of Sufficient Magnitude) Could Actually Make a Person Weighing

150+ lbs Fly. We are still waiting for the proof.

[John Bevilaqua]

Very interesting. I have never heard such direct informed speculation about Angleton, apart from the usual vagueness about the possibility of his being a Soviet mole. John Prados, in his bio of William Colby, writes that Colby was surprised at Angleton's end run around the Rome CIA office, but eventually grew to expect it. I wonder if Mr. Bevilaque has heard of this and if he thinks this involves the same Vatican contact.

Also Colby's star tended to rise in proportion as Angleton's sank, or at least unitl George Bush became head of CIA in 1976. Any information on whether

Colby may have been aware of Angleton's far right connections and his connections with old China Lobby hands as they may have effected Vietnam policy, and earlier in Italy. If so perhaps this knowledge might eventually have contribued to the CIA whispering campaign against Colby and his eventual paddless canoe.

Actually Angleton was probably a double mole since he served as an ally of such Cold War Fascists on the American Security Council as Robert J. Morris, Charles A. Willoughby and Ray S. Cline and was considered a John Bircher type by Tom Mangold. Angleton's father was a Mussolini Fascist in Italy while running the NCR franchise in Italy according to Mangold. I don't think the acorn falls far from the tree. See my other posts on Angleton in this thread and others. Another little known set of facts about Angleton involve his handling of General Bonner Fellers and the relayed info from his Cairo outpost to Italy early in WW II about General Montgomery's tank and troop movements. There is an author who swears that Fellers deliberately expedited Montgomery's tank movement plans from Cairo to Rome to Berlin via Angleton and that the Desert Fox, Rommel, got all the credit for "anticipating" Montgomery's every move. Well if Monty sent his plans to Fellers and if Fellers was a Nazi mole like German born American Generals like Willoughby, Albert C. Wedemeyer and George Stratemeyer who was a Liberty Lobby stooge riding in the lead car in Dealey Plaza, then OF COURSE Rommel appeared to be The Desert Fox. Duhhh! Fellers was in The Manchurian Candidate as General "Fighting" Frank Bollinger as well which turned me on to him in the first place.

As if the accumulated evidence against Fellers in google.books.com or google.com or groups.google.com alt.conspiracy.com

was not enough even Richard Condon in The Manchurian Candidate was on to him by 1958... Albert C. Wedemeyer was subjected

to a "barium leak" loyalty test and failed early in WW II. Check it out on Google. Stratemeyer was on The Liberty Lobby Board

of Policy and is another German born American General who had split loyalties to say the least.

"General Francis Bollinger" from The Manchurian Candidate is an anagram for: "General Bonner Fellirs, CIA or CI for Counter Intelligence"

Also Angleton ran the Vatican Rat Lines with another Fascist, Liberty Lobby moron Colonel Philip J. Corso who totally controlled

Giovannit Battista Montini. See my other posts on Montini, Angleton and Corso in this Ed Forum. Corso ended up claiming that

he witnessed Alien Autopsies in Area 51 so all of his JFK stuff is total garbage and bullxxxx. And some people like John Anderson used to use

Corso and Prouty references as if they brought down the tablets from Mt. Sinai with Moses. Back to the drawing board for him and

anyone else who cited Corso or Prouty who are both pathologically twisted liars pushing the Right Wing Agenda. Condon anagrams are only icing on the cake used to confirm likely knowledge of the 1958 attempt on JFK's life when a US Senator documented by Dr. Jerry Rose in The Third Decade Journal.

How was Hugh Angleton Jim's father in ManCand? Ole Banstoffsen Washington becomes "H. Angleton B Waffen SS Notsi"

Yeah, yeah I know.... hard to swallow, but take some Applesauce with it and it goes down a whole lot more smoothly.

And remember it was Tom Mangold, Jim's biographer, who said that Hugh Angleton was a pro-Mussolini Fascist, not me.

And it was Bill Turner and Mae Brussell who said that The American Security Council was rampant with pro-Nazis not me.

Bank this one, too.

Hey, don't take it from me or from Richard Condon about Bonner "Frank" Fellers... Even Adolph Hitler called Fellers "our good source"...

Here is the Wikipedia version of Fellers...

Bonner Frank Fellers (1896 - 1973), during World War II, was a Colonel who served as the USA military attaché to Cairo, Egypt.

Adolph Hitler called Fellers "our good source" because, for months during the darkest days of the Second World War, he acted recklessly in collecting and then sending military facts and gossip concerning Malta, North Africa and the Mediterranean, (learned from Allies who had trusted his discretion too much), to General George C. Marshall by radio dispatches encoded in the US "Black Code" which had been stolen by an Italian spy and given to the Germans.

German Naval Intelligence used Fellers' unnecessarily voluminous information to help sink Allied convoys that were attempting to deliver vital war supplies to Malta, increasing the starvation and suffering of the embattled citizens of the vitally strategic island, and making possible some of Field Marshall Erwin Rommel's early victories in North Africa. For this incompetence Fellers was fired as an attache.

(General Dwight D. Eisenhower gave "the cut direct", a back-turning insult, to an English beauty who expressed admiration for Fellers, after saying "Any friend of Bonner Fellers is no friend of mine!" Quote from "At All Costs" by Sam Moses.)

Fellers was later promoted to Brigadier General and assigned to the Pacific where he served as the Chief of Psychological Operations under General Douglas MacArthur. He played a major role during the occupation of Japan by meeting the major criminal suspects of the Tokyo tribunal and, according to historian Herbert Bix, allowing them to coordinate their stories to exonerate Emperor Showa (H. Bix, Hirohito and the making of modern Japan, 2000, p.583.) In October 1946, Fellers was demobilized by George Marshall and Dwight Eisenhower and demoted to colonel for his actions. He then began to work for the Republican National Committee in Washington. (P and S Seagrave, The Yamato dynasty, 1999, p.216)

This biographical article related to the United States Army is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonner_Fellers"

[Tim Gratz]

John, out of curiosity, did you ever use the name John McLoughlin?

Edited October 15, 2007 by Tim Gratz

[Gene Kelly]

James /John:

I am forever haunted by the smiling face of Angleton in a video clip seen many times on the History channel series (TMWKK) and its clearly him with Dulles in Dealey Plaza during a reconstruction visit. Its a quick fly-by cameo shot, but it's most assuredly him. And he's smiling/laughing, at the right hand of Dulles. Perhaps it was a visit by the Warren Commission staffers in the months that followed. But seeing his face, and his smile, and those intelligent devious deep eyes just gives me the creeps. Without any evidence or basis of fact, my instincts scream at me that he's complicit and culpable in the deed. What's your thoughts on this?

-- Gene

Tim,

What is your source on Godell? Google turns up nothing. I also tried Goodell.

At the 1996 November in Dallas Conference, Hemming named "Godell" or "Goodell" as one of the people who should have been arrested in the immediate aftermath of the assassination. Having never heard of the Godell you refer to, I thought Hemming must be referring to Charles Goodell, the NY senator. I asked Hemming on this forum why he named Goodell, but he never responded. Your info at least tells me the actual person he was apparently referring to.

Ron

In addition to William Godell, there was a little known Agency man named Thaxter Goodell. He was associated with Victor Marchetti somehow and I think he may have handled Luis Aparicio, AKA Daniel Flores.

Goodell also wrote a thing called "Cratology Pays Off" which was a detailed analysis of containers carrying weapons. This came in handy during the missile crisis.

FWIW.

James

[James Richards]

James /John:

I am forever haunted by the smiling face of Angleton in a video clip seen many times on the History channel series (TMWKK) and its clearly him with Dulles in Dealey Plaza during a reconstruction visit. Its a quick fly-by cameo shot, but it's most assuredly him. And he's smiling/laughing, at the right hand of Dulles. Perhaps it was a visit by the Warren Commission staffers in the months that followed. But seeing his face, and his smile, and those intelligent devious deep eyes just gives me the creeps. Without any evidence or basis of fact, my instincts scream at me that he's complicit and culpable in the deed. What's your thoughts on this? (Gene Kelly)

Hi Gene,

I have a very simple view of what happened in Dealey Plaza. I don't see a huge conspiracy but a simple and contained plot where some very personal business was conducted.

The cover-up however is something completely different. This was political opportunism, maneuvering and point scoring in its finest hour. I do not believe the truth of what actually happened in Dallas served many people hence the confused mess we have today.

I have never thought Angleton was in on the assassination plot but he certainly may have put it together afterwards. Many folk were inadvertently used and abused (most unwitting) during the set-up and execution of the plot and I'm sure felt the pressure of having to tow the line during the various related investigations.

Cheers,

James

[John Bevilaqua]

James /John:

I am forever haunted by the smiling face of Angleton in a video clip seen many times on the History channel series (TMWKK) and its clearly him with Dulles in Dealey Plaza during a reconstruction visit. Its a quick fly-by cameo shot, but it's most assuredly him. And he's smiling/laughing, at the right hand of Dulles. Perhaps it was a visit by the Warren Commission staffers in the months that followed. But seeing his face, and his smile, and those intelligent devious deep eyes just gives me the creeps. Without any evidence or basis of fact, my instincts scream at me that he's complicit and culpable in the deed. What's your thoughts on this? (Gene Kelly)

Hi Gene,

I have a very simple view of what happened in Dealey Plaza. I don't see a huge conspiracy but a simple and contained plot where some very personal business was conducted.

The cover-up however is something completely different. This was political opportunism, maneuvering and point scoring in its finest hour. I do not believe the truth of what actually happened in Dallas served many people hence the confused mess we have today.

I have never thought Angleton was in on the assassination plot but he certainly may have put it together afterwards. Many folk were inadvertently used and abused (most unwitting) during the set-up and execution of the plot and I'm sure felt the pressure of having to tow the line during the various related investigations.

Cheers,

James

Purists and hardliners will probably never be able to accept the fact that as early as 1958, people like Richard Condon

who wrote "The Manchurian Candidate" and "Winter Kills" and "Prizzi's Honor" were quite familiar with the Right Wing

Hate Networks allied against JFK. Not only were they aware of the public statements made by these people, but many

of them had back channel connections into groups like the American Security Council, the White Citizens Councils, The

John Birch Society, etc. At this point many so called "Allied" generals had already been exposed as being, in fact,

much closer to Hitler than to FDR. Do Google searches on Albert C. Wedemeyer (who failed a Barium Leak test and

was essentially demoted), George C. Stratemeyer, Charles A. Willoughby (whom MacArthur called "My Little Fascist"),

Bonner Fellers (whom Hitler called "our best ally" for reveaing Monty's troop movements thru Angleton), or for that matter

Angleton's father Hugh Angleton who was part of OSS during WW-II but according to Tom Mangold "...was very friendly

with Mussolini and his associates." Hugh Angleton, Charles Willoughby and George Draper were cavalry officers

riding with Gen. John Pershing when they went after Pancho Villa together as professional "head hunters".

The fact remains, accept it or not, that Condon identified Angleton in The Manchurian Candidate in the personna of

"Ole Banstoffsen - Washington" which is an anagram for "H. Angleton B Waffen SS Notsi" or Hugh Angleton was a Waffen

SS Nazi". The acorn does not fall far from the tree. Jim Angleton was also a Nazi sympathizer plain and simple.

He ran the Vatican Ratlines with Col. Philip J. Corso and selectively picked the Nazi War Criminals he wanted released

into his custody by convincing Giovanni Battista Montini that they should first be given credentials then released to him

or to Corso for "incarceration". Corso himself described how he and Angleton were able to pull off this little scam in his

hometown newspaper after his retirement.

The Angleton's were either double agents or just Nazi Waffen SS Agents. Take your pick. The Honetel program was

meant to ruin careers and stifle the success of the CIA and it worked... almost perfectly. Any other interpretation borders

on almost childlike simplicity. And Seymour Hersch was "given" the evidence to justify the firing of Angleton. Hersch

could not find a BMW in a haystack. He was taken in twice by scams, once even falling for the "1st wife of JFK" scam

which first surfaced in the 1960's courtesy of Rev. Gerald L K Smith. Hersch was a barely capable journalist and a headline

chaser who jumped onto story lines to pump his career.

[Guest David Guyatt]

On Angleton's ability to influence the Vatican, I have been told by two different sources that he learned that Pope Pius X11 was an active homosexual and was able, therefore, to bring blackmail to bear. I believe (but obviously cannot prove) this to be true. I had included it in an article I once wrote but one of the sources involved -- connected to a blood relative of Pius in fact, requested it be edited out.

There is more hidden about the Nazi-Vatican-Ratlines nexus than has been revealed, I think. Not least, a little known former SA and later SS officer who was very close to Himmler, was found to have a comfy berth there during and after the war, despite the fact that he officially died in a skiing accident in the Alps in 1939. The officer, it seems, was also in a position to heavily "influence" Vatican decisions owing to certain matters he became knowledgeable about prior to the war regarding Vatican history. That knowledge was brought to bear on behalf of the Reichsfuhrer SS and, as I mentioned above, the officer was placed insided the Vatican a few months ahead of outbreak of the war in Europe.

In regard to Montini, I believe it most likely that he was involved in the Ratlines, as has been suggested by others, simply because of these two influences that were brought to bear. One of which is lasting and one less so.

[John Bevilaqua]

On Angleton's ability to influence the Vatican, I have been told by two different sources that he learned that Pope Pius X11 was an active homosexual and was able, therefore, to bring blackmail to bear. I believe (but obviously cannot prove) this to be true. I had included it in an article I once wrote but one of the sources involved -- connected to a blood relative of Pius in fact, requested it be edited out.

There is more hidden about the Nazi-Vatican-Ratlines nexus than has been revealed, I think. Not least, a little known former SA and later SS officer who was very close to Himmler, was found to have a comfy berth there during and after the war, despite the fact that he officially died in a skiing accident in the Alps in 1939. The officer, it seems, was also in a position to heavily "influence" Vatican decisions owing to certain matters he became knowledgeable about prior to the war regarding Vatican history. That knowledge was brought to bear on behalf of the Reichsfuhrer SS and, as I mentioned above, the officer was placed insided the Vatican a few months ahead of outbreak of the war in Europe.

In regard to Montini, I believe it most likely that he was involved in the Ratlines, as has been suggested by others, simply because of these two influences that were brought to bear. One of which is lasting and one less so.

This may be one of the controversial areas where we have to "agree to disagree". Let me share with you a little first hand

experience with the person who was going to do Lt. Col. Philip J. Corso's ghosted autobiography until I set him straight on the guy.

This was shortly before Corso came out with his "Alien Autopsy" books in an attempt to get rich quickly. The person I am

citing was the father of James Cypher who attended the Albany JFK Conference in the mid-1990's and they both lived and might

still live in the Albany, NY area today.

Jim sent me a little clipping from the Jupiter, Florida local newspaper quoting Corso on his relationship with Montini. It is buried

somewhere in boxes of research so I can only paraphrase from memory right now. But here is what Corso said as memory recalls.

"I worked very closely with Giovanni Battista Montini and Jim Angleton in processing the Nazi War Criminals going through the

Vatican. Every week we would get a list of those requesting credentials and we would tell the Papal Nuncio: 'We want this guy

or that guy very badly." We would tell him to give these War Criminals the paperwork and the documents they would need to

leave the country then send them out the side door exit from the Vatican where we would be waiting for them in a Jeep loaded with

MPs to whisk them away to justice. You have no idea how many of these War Criminals we got using this method. Giovanni

trusted us immensely and helped us in any way he could. Many others got their credentials from him but did not need any

"special handling" like we arranged for those targeted for incarceration. They just followed normal channels to get to safety.

This is admittedly the perfect way to obtain credentials for known War Criminals via the Vatican followed by a clandestine meeting with

either friendly MPs or fake MPs in doctored/real military jeeps. It had to look like these guys were really being "arrested" and

taken away to justice in order for Montini to continue the ruse. To me this is a far better explanation of the alleged "complicity" of

the eventual Pope Pius XII than the other 2 versions proposed: "As a Witting Accomplice" or "As a blackmailed victim". Quite

frankly Montini was just no match for Angleton, Dulles, Corso, Wisner and Company in the OSS. Everyone has had over 70 years

to figure this one out and no one has bothered to contact Corso or Corso's ghost writer for more inside information. A pre-disposition

towards "Witting Accomplice" by many writers has hidden the truth for decades. To try to give Montini an "easy out" by saying

he was a "blackmailed witting accomplice" just does not quite cut it either. Try to look into the Corso background and the background

of both Jim and Hugh Angleton and the backgrounds of Wisner, Dulles and others and the real facts will become quite obvious. The

simplest explanation is usually the best one. There are really no holes in this theory and while Corso did not admit to his subterfuge

it is quite apparent what he and Angleton were really doing, for me at least. And these Ratline Express types would have to feel

comfortable that they were really getting "official credentials" in order for them to return to the Vatican, look at the papers and walk

willingly and wittingly through the back channel exit to "safety". The initial shock of seeing a Jeep full of MPs waiting for them would

be quickly reversed as soon as they had driven away from the Vatican Ratline exit door. Followed by laughter and Nazi salutes.

Corso WAS always a Nazi and so was Angleton and his Father. If you can not accept this then you will never understand the

Vatican Ratlines. Never.

Regards,

John Bevilaqua

[James Richards]

If anyone wants to get a perspective from close up, may I suggest contacting James Angleton Jr.

I am pretty sure he is still president of the Ted Shackley Miami Chapter of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers.

His email address is - Jim_Angleton@msn.com

FWIW.

James

Edited October 20, 2007 by James Richards

[John Bevilaqua]

If anyone wants to get a perspective from close up, may I suggest contacting James Angleton Jr.

I am pretty sure he is still president of the Ted Shackley Miami Chapter of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers.

His email address is - Jim_Angleton@msn.com

FWIW.

James

Do you know anything about Jr.'s background and experience in Intel Ops? This is beginning

to sound like some sort of "family business" with James Hugh being in OSS, but on the other

side, James Jesus being outed as a Nazi mole, then Jr. inheriting the reins. How old is he now?

I assume he is retired, correct? Would Jr. even be willing to share any of the family secrets?