Jack Ruby

[James Richards]

I read the other day according to the Warren Report, after the assassination, two Cubans were arrested in Dealey Plaza, but were released because they couldn''t speak English.

(Can't find that in the Report at this moment).

Any clues on who they might have been? (Steve Thomas)

Hi Steve,

Yes, I remember the report and how strange it was that they would be released because they couldn't speak English. Even if they could, I'm sure they would have tried to make life difficult for police.

I don't know who they were but I suspect that this guy below was one of them. DeLeon is a very interesting and somewhat mysterious character, mainly due to the fact that very little is known about him.

James

[James Richards]

James and Ron,

I think the third guy is a good old innocent bystander. Looks like he's not with Arce or Mr. Slick. Not really sure about Mr. Slick either because he's gone later. But he really does look like he's up to no good. (Mark Stapleton)

Hi Mark,

Ron and I have been looking at this guy below for Mr. Slick. All I can say is maybe. The possible from No Name Key was present when Remigio Arce was there, and also when a guy who was the spitting image of Danny Arce was training on the island.

Definitely a head scratcher.

James

[Ron Ecker]

DeLeon is a very interesting and somewhat mysterious character, mainly due to the fact that very little is known about him.

According to the 1967 piece "No Name Soldiers" by Tom Dunkin, Ponce de Leon said in 1962 that his mother was in a Castro jail. Dunkin says she was later released and was the subject of a Saturday Evening Post article. That would be interesting to read, and would probably include something about her son.

http://www.cuban-exile.com/doc_076-100/doc0090.html

Ron

Edited March 25, 2005 by Ron Ecker

[James Richards]

According to the 1967 piece "No Name Soldiers" by Tom Dunkin, Ponce de Leon said in 1962 that his mother was in a Castro jail. Dunkin says she was later released and was the subject of a Saturday Evening Post article. That would be interesting to read, and would probably include something about her son. (Ron Ecker)

Ron,

There is also the mention in Roy Hargraves' interview printed in Larry's book where they talk about the good looking kid at John Martino's house; the one supposedly involved. Firstly Hargraves balks at the mention of him and when Twyman goes back to it later saying that GPH identified the kid as Ponce DeLeon, Hargraves offers the opinion that Ponce DeLeon wouldn't have personal contact with a guy like Martino but goes into how skillfully efficient Ponce was.

At the end of the day, Ponce DeLeon is someone who needs to be seriously looked into. I had a lead on him once where he supposedly went to Korea in 1964 but ultimately it all went nowhere.

James

[Mark Stapleton]

James and Ron,

I think the third guy is a good old innocent bystander. Looks like he's not with Arce or Mr. Slick. Not really sure about Mr. Slick either because he's gone later. But he really does look like he's up to no good. (Mark Stapleton)

Hi Mark,

Ron and I have been looking at this guy below for Mr. Slick. All I can say is maybe. The possible from No Name Key was present when Remigio Arce was there, and also when a guy who was the spitting image of Danny Arce was training on the island.

Definitely a head scratcher.

James

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Hi James,

Yes, it's a scary resemblance.

[Ron Ecker]

It's also worth noting that Ruby Henderson, one of the three witnesses who saw a black man at the "Oswald" window, said that the black man was wearing a white shirt.

Ron

[Tim Gratz]

Ron your picture of the black man in the white shirt is interesting.

Can you identify the photograph? Thanks!

[Ron Ecker]

Tim,

It's from the photo in front of the TSBD:

Ron

[Tim Gratz]

Ruby Henderson's statement to the FBI:

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INV.

Date: December 6, 1963

MRS. TONEY (RUBY) HENDERSON, 1434 Prairie Creek, Dallas, Texas (EX 1.2474), furnished the following information:

On November 22, 1963 at approximately 12:15 PM she was standing on the east side of Elm Street just north of Houston Street awaiting the passing of the Presidential Motorcade at that site. She said shortly after she arrived at this location, and just prior to the arrival of the motorcade, she recalls an ambulance arriving and departing the area to pick up an individual whom she understood had an epileptic fit. Mrs. HENDERSON said after the ambulance departed the area, she heard a woman in the record building [sic] located on the southwest [sic] corner of Elm and Houston, yell "Yeah, Woodman." which is a Dallas High School [sic], and she looked in the direction from which the yell emanated. She said she thereafter swung around and looked in the building in which she works, the building located on the southeast corner of Elm and Houston and thence around to the Texas School Book Depository Building [sic].

She said she observed numerous people on various floors looking out of the windows of the Texas School Book Depository Building, and recalls that she saw two men on one of the upper floors of the building. She said she recalls one of the men had on a white shirt and one had on a dark shirt. She said she only observed these men from the waist up and she does not know what their other attire consisted of. She said these men were standing back from the window and she got the impression they were working and yet looking out the window in anticipation of the motorcade passing that building. She said she saw these men before the motorcade reached Houston and Elm, but doesn't have any idea how long it was prior to the motorcade arriving at that location. She says she believes the person in the white shirt had dark hair and was possibly a Mexican, but could have been a Negro as he appeared to be dark-complexioned. She said she couldn't describe the other person other than the fact he was taller than the aforementioned individual. Mrs. HENDERSON said at the time the motorcade passed where she was standing, she heard what she initially thought was a firecracker and saw what she thought was paper fly out of the Presidential car. She said she now realized it was a shot she heard and what she thought was paper was probably flesh. She said after the first shot, she believes she heard two more in rapid succession, and then a fourth shot.

Mrs. HENDERSON said after the shooting she stood transfixed for some time before returning to work. She said she returned to her place of employment at approximately 12:43 PM.

Mrs. HENDERSON said she became extremely upset and nervous after the President's assassination and it was necessary for her to take the following Monday off her job. She said she hesitated to mention anything about her observations but felt she should relate same as they might possibly be of some benefit.

Mrs. HENDERSON reiterated she could not definitely state one of the men she saw in the window of the Texas School Book Depository was not a Negro. She said she does not know what floor of the building the men were on, but doesn't recall seeing anyone on a floor higher up than the one they were on.

on 12-5-63 at Dallas, Texas, File # DL 100-10461

by Special Agent JAMES J. WARD & ROBERT E. BASHAM [sp?]

Date dictated: 12-5-63

[John Dolva]

I wonder if anyone has any information as to the address of the gas station that Harry, Kay, Jack and Jimmy had a chat variously described as 'brief' and three hours long the night before Jack shot Lee? JohnD

[Thomas H. Purvis]

For those who are a follower of "circumstance and coincidence":

On or about July 7 or July 8th, 1963, Jack Ruby was reportedly in New Orleans, LA, looking for "showgirls" for his Dallas club.

During a prior visit to New Orleans which apparantly took place in 1959, the art loving Jack Ruby had puchased several paintings.

To purchase this art, Jack Ruby visited the gallery/store of one Mr. Lorenzo Borenstein and purchased "several paintings of local scenes".

Mr. Borenstein's business was located at 519 Royal St., New Orleans, LA.

WDSU Radio where LHO presented his interview is located at 520 Royal St.,

New Orleans, LA.

http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_...sue/gaudet.html

Another side to this story can be found at:

http://www.ajweberman.com/nodules2/nodulec15.htm

The actual FBI statement is at:

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/w...Vol26_0187a.gif

The July 1963 visit of Jack Ruby to New Orleans corresponds with that period in which LHO began his FPCC activities.

Later, Jack Ruby would make the mistake in the Dallas Sheriff's building of correcting a reporter who erred in what Cuban support organization LHO belonged to.

This correction which was clearly made by Jack Ruby has been, without any support whatsoever, attributed to his having heard the mention of the FPCC on the/his car radio.

Considering that Jack Ruby was a close personal acquaintance of Lewis McWillie, and the fact that Lewis McWillie had punched a FPCC supporter in the nose some years prior to LHO's FPCC altercation in New Orleans, the correlation between Jack Ruby's visit to New Orleans at the exact beginning of the FPCC activities of LHO, would appear to be more than coincidental.

Just as it is more than coincidental that someone who apparently impersonated William Gaudet, made the attempt to drag Gaudet and his activities into this same scenario.

And, this person would have had to have known the activities of Jack Ruby in 1959 when he, by all accounts, actually visited the store of Lorenzo Borenstein and purchased the paintings.

Tom

[Robert Howard]

James,

Fair enough, though your description of Herminio would also seem to eliminate him as the black man whom Rowland saw at the window. Rowland described the man as "very thin" and 55 or 60.

The black man in the photo appears to be holding some long white or light-colored object under his arm. Can anyone tell what it might be? (Ron Ecker)

Hi Ron,

Diaz Garcia was a pretty gnarly looking 40 year old. I believe he could easily pass for someone 10 years his senior.

Now that you mention it, this character does seem to be holding something. How bizarre.

James

During the early 1990's in Dallas, there was a JFK Assassination Research Center in Dallas, I believe Larry Howard was the proprietor of it. Anyway the Center had "letters that Jack Ruby had written while in prison," although described by some as "long and rambling" the letters contained strange references to things such as "pogroms against the Jews." I never had the opportunity to peruse the documents, but have always been curious about them. Is there anyone here on the forum who is familiar with this aspect of Ruby, who may have the ability to post the letters on the forum or, provide their own insights into the material?

[Lee Forman]

I also came across a reference I had never seen before concerning Jack Ruby's FPCC card, number 52. I should transcribe that one also. Allegedly it was seen by 4 Dallas Cops, as it was handed in with a box of evidence, from a Cuban man's apartment. The story goes that it vanished when it was sent to the FBI. Also included was a hotel receipt that had both LHO and Ruby present at the same time. This came from the Enquirer again, so I don't know how much water the story holds. Need to find it.

Just thinking lately. What if information connecting Ruby to Oswald was purposely withheld? What if Ruby was the pawn that they needed to really firm up the Jewish spin on the assassination [in addition to Weissman's role in the Wanted for Treason ad], but the conspirators held out on this info as blackmail? Even using it against Ruby to keep his mouth shut? What if the man at the Cuban Embassy was in reality not Lee Oswald's double, but Jack Ruby's? Would that explain David Atlee Phillips pitiful effort to explain the details in his Nightwatch book?

What if, along with the Press that reacted swiftly in Dealey Plaza to control evidence [Featherstone anyway], and the bizarre mysterious deaths that accompanied some afterwards, Ruby's apartment, etc. - what if the Media were involved in manipulating the Oswald transfer, as part of a pre-arranged plan? The news 'went live' with Ruby shooting Oswald. Coincidence? What if there were folks out there that had photos of Ruby and Oswald together - would this have meaning in 1963? What if Ruby's double was playing the same game as Oswald's? Would that help to explain how Ruby was seen in more than once place at a time - especially on the morning of 11/22? Was Jack Ruby a pre-selected Patsy? Could this explain his bizarre comments and letters written afterwards to some degree? Was he nothing more than an MK victim, programmed over time in preparation of silencing Kennedy's alleged assassin on National Television? Did Gary Wean get it right when he suggested that Mickey Cohen had Seth Kantor provide a bogus alibi for Ruby at Parkland, because of the description of the man seen at Tippit's slaying? WHY WOULD RUBY DENY IT? Is it possible that a Ruby double was present at the Tippit slaying?

What would be the significance of an FPCC card registered in Ruby's name? Perhaps an FOIA can seek to retrieve it?

- lee

[Lee Forman]

Why would Ruby be working so hard to gather photographic evidence on the Birchers early the next morning? Why would Ruby care about the name Weissman on the Wanted for Treason ad? Is it possible that Ruby also ran an underground club someplace known as the 'Pink Door?' Did Ruby really have the nickname 'Pinky?' Why would Ruby say later that he was set-up - thanks to the Wire that he had to send? Who met him at the wire office - anyone? Did Little Lynn help to set him up? If Ruby fired a shot downwards into Oswald's gut, how could the bullet have failed to pass directly through the body and exit? How could it have caused such traumatic damage internally - especially to the aorta and chest area? What was the full nature of the relationship Ruby had with Jim Dolan? Was Ruby involved in a pedophile ring along with his other shady activities? Was Jack Ruby part of the blackmail used to force the cover-up?

[Thomas Graves]

Tim,

It's from the photo in front of the TSBD:

Ron

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Is that Braden/Brading, to the right, behind the car, wearing the fancy dark-colored hat?

--Thomas

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Edited October 29, 2006 by Thomas Graves