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According to Jack Ruby, he began using the name 'Leon' after his good friend Leon Cooke was killed by one Jim Martin. Jim gets shot himself and flees to Mexico. That's the last trace I can find of him.

Cerone was recorded on numerous government bugs telling friends about his many exploits as a mob hit man. One of the murders he was active in was that of William "Action" Jackson. Apparently Jackie Cerone was the member of the hit team who brought along a cattle prod which he used on Jackson's nads. He also came up with a plan to erase Frankie 'The X' Exposito in Florida. Cerone's plan was to take Exposito out for a ride into the Keys and there to carve him up for shark fodder; he even took a special knife with him on the trip to Florida expressly for that purpose. Fortunately for Exposito, the FBI heard the whole conversation and were waiting for Cerone and his team in Florida. Sensing that something was wrong, the hitmen decided against going ahead with the "hit". Another listening bug caught Jackie Cerone boasting about the "hit" on Jim Martin who was a policy and numbers racketeer on Chicago's West Side. Jackie along with another mobster opened fire with shotguns into Martin's Cadillac, Jim Martin did not die but he took the hint and fled to Mexico.

Any relationship between Jim Martin, James Herbert Martin, Jack S. Martin, James Stuart Martin, or any of the other Martins? :blink:

http://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvol...H24_CE_2078.pdf

http://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_201.html

In 1933, Ruby and several other teenagers from the neighborhood traveled to California, ending up in San Francisco selling horse racing tip sheets at a mob-owned track. It was here that he may have become involved in the outfit's little known but very lucrative marijuana smuggling operation out of Mexico into Los Angeles. Ruby returned to Chicago in 1937, and became involved with the Scrap Iron and Junk Handlers Union, local 20467, where he worked, for $22.50 a week, as an enforcer and strong-arm goon, although his official titled was union organizer.

The local was organized by Ruby's friend and mentor, Leon Cooke, a lawyer by training, whose chief goal was to raise wages for the membership to something more reasonable then the 15 cents an hour they were making. But in the late 1930s labor plundering was the Chicago outfit's chief source of income, so when Johnny Martin, a two-bit hustler associated with the Chicago syndicate's leading labor plunderer, Murray Humpreys, came to Humpreys for permission to take over the Scrap Iron Workers, Humpreys gave his permission.

Within days, Martin, with the mob behind him, had moved in on the union and appointed himself President. At the time, Martin was also on the City of Chicago's payroll as a Sanitary District Clerk and was under indictment with mob boss Paul Ricca for trying to hide taxable income from the federal government.

Jack Ruby, although hired by Cooke, soon fell under Martin's command and was made the syndicate's bagman inside the union.

As for Leon Cooke, no one is really sure what happened, except that there was a power struggle within the union, and Cooke ended up shot dead.

From what police were able to reconstruct of the crime, Cooke barged into Martin's office and told him he wanted him out of the union. Martin argued back. After a few minutes, Martin drew a revolver and shot Cooke three times in the back, and then took the only witness to the shooting, the office secretary, as his hostage, and fled down a back staircase. Eventually Martin was arrested and released, claiming self-defense although he couldn't explain, nor did the state's attorney office ask why, if it was self-defense, Cooke was shot in the back.

For the first few days after the shooting, Jack Ruby was the primary suspect in the incident and was even picked up and questioned by police about his role in the murder, but was released after two hours. Later, in an odd twist of fate, Robert Kennedy reinvestigated Ruby's role in Leon Cooke's killing for the McClellan committee, and concluded that Ruby played no role in the murder, but noted that the Cook County State's Attorney chief investigator, the notoriously corrupt Tubbo Gilbert, moved in on the union shortly after the shooting, and confiscated all of the unions records and charters. Those documents, along with all police records pertaining to the Cooke shooting, Kennedy noted, disappeared for ever and so Jack Ruby's real position within the Union will probably never be known.

http://www.jfklancer.com/mobconnections.html

Ruby's Smuggling Operation, 1956-1958

In about January 1956, a pimp named James Breen met with Ruby to discuss collaboration in managing three prostitutes. However, Ruby was primarily interested in discussing narcotics smuggling with Breen. This was "a large narcotics setup operating between Mexico, Texas, and the East." A few days after that first meeting, Ruby returned with another man, and they showed Breen a filmof border guards, narcotics agents, and a Mexican contact. Breen was "enthused over what he considered an extremely efficient operation in connection with narcotics traffic." One typical load of narcotics was valued at about $350,000, and Breen received $2,400.

In addition, Ruby tried to set up an arrangement to sell pornographic pictures through Breen's prostitutes. Ruby said he had "a large quantity of material available to him." However, the prostitutes refused, because if they were caught with this kind of pornography, the charges against them would be much more serious. Although the pornography is not described, it must have been something much more objectionable than just pictures of naked women.

Later, two of Breen's prostitutes informed the FBI about all of this. (WC, Exhibits 1761-1762). That FBI report from one of these prostitutes, Eileen Curry, concludes with these words:

CURRY advised that one RALPH HEDRICK has been a close friend of BREEN's, when both were incarcerated at the Federal Correctional Institution at Seagoville, Texas.

She stated that HEDRICK, in 1956, was in his 30's and had already completed 15 years of various penal servitude. She said that HEDRICK was, at that time, employed in a print shop in Dallas, Texas, and was active in some type of lecture tour wherein he spoke about his criminal background before youth groups. CURRY advised that she had no knowledge as to whether BREEN would have confided in HEDRICK or whether HEDRICK would have known RUBY, but felt that HEDRICK was BREEN's closest frient in the Dallas area.

CURRY advised that she had heard rumors in Dallas, Texas, the source not now recalled, to the effect that BREEN's contact and protection in Muskogee, Oklahoma, was allegedly the Cief of Police of Muskogee. [unquote]

The FBI report from the other prostitute, Bunny Breen (she had been married to James Breen), added this supplementary information:

She believes James [breen] made connections with the narcotics ring through a former associate from Seagoville Prison, where James served time. [unquote]

In other words, Hedrick, who spoke about his criminal background before youth groups, was not a peripheral character in all this, but might have been a central one. Breen tried to steal some of the narcotics from the ring and disappeared. But that doesn't mean that Hedrick also betrayed the ring. He may have stayed loyal to this smuggling ring and continued to preach to youth groups in Dallas.

In 1958, this weapons-smuggling network developed. Ruby's own role broadened when one of his Dallas gambling partners, Lewis J. McWillie, moved to Havana to become manager of the Mob-owned Tropicana Hotel. Ruby shipped weapons to Cuba through McWillie. Another Ruby associate from Dallas, Russell Douglas Matthews, a convicted narcotics smuggler, also opened a bar business in Havana in 1958. (HSCA, Vol IX, pgs 524-586.)

Three related witnesses have described Ruby's very personal role in this gun smuggling in 1958. The first of these witnesses was Mary Thompson (Exhibit 3065):

On about May 30, 1958, she traveled to Islamerada, Florida, accompanied by her daughter and son-in-law, Dolores and Richard Rhoads. They visited her brother and sister-in-law, James and Mary Lou "Butch" Woodard, who resided in a cottage. .... While there they met Jack and Isabel (last name unknown), acquaintances of the Woodards. There was not sufficient room in the Woodard cottage, and Jack and Isabel suggested that Dolores and Richard spend the night at their home. ....

[Thompson then listed several facts that indicated that this Jack was Jack Ruby -- grew up in Chicago, ran a bar in Dallas, also called Leon, same physical description, etc]

Mary Lou said that Jack had a trunk full of guns and inferred that Jack was going to supply them to the Cubans. Mrs Thomspons stated that she was told that there were supplies of guns hidden in the marshes that were being collected by the Indians in the area to be sold to the Cubans. This was at the time of the revolution in Cuba. [unquote]

In a separate FBI interview, the daughter Dolores confirmed the story. She added:

[Her husband at that time,] Richard Rhoads, and [her uncle] James Woodard got drunk one night, and Woodard said that he and Jack would run some guns to Cuba. .... He said that Jack had a lot more guns than he did. [unquote]

A separate FBI report based on an interview with James Woodard said only:

Woodard, in a somewhat rambling and incoherent manner, alleged he had participated in an invasion of Cuba prior to the Castro regime; that he had participated in the Bay of Pigs invasion, and has furnished ammunition and dynamite to both Castro and Cuban exile forces. [unquote]

The FBI agents who wrote this report neglected to ask him if he had worked with or known Jack Ruby. Most of the report was devoted to statements by relatives that Woodard was a xxxx. (ibid) However, Scott Malone noted in a memorandum, dated September 24, 1977 (Ruby file, Assassinations Archive) that Woodard has said he knew both Browder and Ruby.

David Scheim in his book Contract on America (New York: Kensington, 1988), adds another detail (pg 221):

In 1958, Ruby wrote a letter to the State Department's Office of Munitions Controls "requesting permission to negotiate the purchase of firearms and ammunition from an Italian firm." And the name "Jack Rubenstein" [Ruby's birth name] was listed in a 1959 Army Intelligence report on U.S. arms dealers. Although located by clerks of these two federal agencies in 1963, both documents are today inexplicably missing. [unquote]

http://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvol...H26_CE_3064.pdf

http://www.ctka.net/pr795-ruby.html

Jack and James

Mrs. Mary Thompson met a man named "Jack" accompanied by a women, not his wife, named "Isabel" at the home of Mary Lou and James Woodard in Islamorada, Florida. 18 At the time, Mary Thompson was accompanied by her daughter Dolores and Dolores's husband. Jack was said to be from Chicago originally. Mrs. Thompson placed the date of this encounter around the end of May of 1958. Interestingly enough, she said Jack's first real name was Leon but went by Jack. Jack Ruby's middle name was Leon.

Mary Lou Woodard said Jack had a trunk full of guns he was going to supply to Cubans. Mary Thompson stated she'd been told there were supplies of guns hidden in the marshes that were being collected by the Indians in the area to be sold to the Cubans, as this was around the time of the Cuban revolution. Mary Thompson's daughter Dolores also saw and described this same Jack, as did Mrs. W. R. Simons.

Dolores recalled that her husband's friend James Woodard, while drunk one night, declared he would run guns to Cuba with Jack. Woodard had two or three guns of his own but said Jack had a lot more. When shown a photo of Jack Ruby she said it resembled the man she remembered, although she didn't remember his last name as being "Ruby."

A check of the Knoxville FBI files showed that James Woodard was considered "armed and dangerous", packed a weapon, and had a violent temper when drinking. Interviewed by the FBI in September of 1963, Woodard "in somewhat rambling and incoherent manner" talked of his participation in an invasion of Cuba prior to the Castro regime, that he had again participated in the Bay of Pigs and had furnished ammunition and dynamite to both Castro and the Cuban exile forces. On October 8, 1963, Woodard was questioned again, this time concerning dynamite found at his residence in South Dade County, Florida, as the dynamite had been stolen from a construction company. He claimed the dynamite was being used by Cuban exile forces fighting the Castro regime.

After the assassination, James Woodard's sister said James had been in Texas a lot, and that she had asked James if he ever knew Ruby. He said no, but then promptly disappeared and hadn't been seen since November 25, 1963. If he truly had been running guns with Ruby to the CIA-sponsored Cuban exile forces, one can surely imagine a hefty motive for his sudden disappearance after Ruby appeared on the public scene by shooting Oswald. Woodard is another person whose records the Review Board should look into to shed light on Ruby's contacts with Cubans and gunrunning.

Perhaps Ruby was concerned enough to hide his activities not so much because he was running guns, but because of who he was running them for, and with.

By far the most interesting account of Ruby's gunrunning is found in an FBI report taken a week after the assassination. Informant "T-2" (Blaney Mack Johnson) revealed that in the early 1950s a man he knew then as "Rubenstein" arranged illegal flights of weapons to the Castro organization in Cuba. He added that Rubenstein "left Miami and purchased a substantial share in a Havana gaming house in which one COLLIS PRIO (phonetic) was principal owner." 19 One recognizes the name Carlos Prio Soccaras, especially when T-2 linked "COLLIS" to Batista. In the early 50s Prio was a supporter of the Batista regime under which he had grown exceedingly wealthy, but in the mid to late 50s Prio worked hand in hand with Castro, aided by the CIA, to overthrow the increasingly difficult Batista.

The descriptions provided by Mrs. Thompson and Dolores seem to be describing 2 different people! - still, an odd number of coincidences - Car, with Texas plates, owns a bar in Dallas, runs guns, Jack or 'Leon,' etc. Mrs. Thompson's description sounds curiously similar to Tippit's killer.

http://www.ctka.net/pr795-ruby.html

Cuban Excursions

Ruby had told the Warren Commission he had only been to Cuba once, on vacation, for a week to ten days. Not true. According to Cuban travel records, Jack Ruby entered Cuba from New Orleans on August 8, 1959; left Cuba September 11, 1959; re-entered Cuba from Miami on September 12, 1959; and returned from Cuba to New Orleans on September 13, 1959. 5 But bank records 6, Dallas police records 7, and FBI records 8 showed Ruby in Dallas August 10, 21, 31, and September 4, days which fall right in the middle of his supposedly continuous stay in Cuba. Somehow, Ruby was getting in and out of Cuba without the Cuban authorities detecting and recording such. Why was Ruby making multiple excursions to Cuba during this time? What were the nature of these visits and why did he choose to hide them?

The reticence of investigative bodies to investigate these matters make sense when one realizes that Jack Ruby was not going to Cuba on pleasure trips. The Warren Report tells of an incident in early 1959 where Ruby made "preliminary inquiries, as a middleman, concerning the possible sale to Cuba of some surplus jeeps located in Shreveport, La., and asked about the possible release of prisoners from a Cuban prison." 9 Ruby's sister indicated the jeeps might have been military surplus from W.W.II. 10 Both the story of the jeeps and the story of the prisoners tie Ruby to some interesting Cuban activities.

Curious. If someone produced records showing Lee Oswald was in Texas and Japan at the same time, folks would say that there were two of them - as opposed to finding how Oswald managed to travel back and forth.

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I believe that Saul was one of several watchers for Oswald.

Attached is one of several images of Saul attending a

Cuban parade in Florida.

johnw :)

Several more views of Saul.

johnw

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That's phenomenal John! Thanks very much for those.

I see that this must have been an important parade. :) Sr DeTorres is also present.

Saul = Saul Sage, or Tauler "Saul" Sague? Is this the same Saul referred to by MacDonald do you know?

Hmm...never heard of a Saul Rubenstein before [below].

The last one looks interesting. I was trying to find a better link to Mexico City for Ruby, aside from the few I have already posted.

So do you think it's possible that Saul was in Dallas on 11/22 and was either mistaken for Ruby, or was purposely doubling him?

- lee

AGENCY : CIA

RECORD NUMBER : 104-10220-10056

RECORDS SERIES : JFK

AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A

DOCUMENT INFORMATION

ORIGINATOR : CIA

FROM : WAVE

TO : OTTAWA INFO DIRECTOR

TITLE : CABLE: NO WAVE OR AMOT TRACES SUBJS REF.

DATE : 12/20/1963

PAGES : 1

DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

SUBJECTS : AMOT; JFK ASSASSINATION; RUBENSTEIN SAUL

CLASSIFICATION :

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : OPEN

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 06/22/2004

COMMENTS : JFK64-55 : F27 : 20040316-1058416 :

AGENCY : HSCA

RECORD NUMBER : 180-10112-10044

RECORDS SERIES : NUMBERED FILES

AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 002458

DOCUMENT INFORMATION

ORIGINATOR : HSCA

FROM : MALENE, W. SCOTT

TO : GAY, DONOVAN

TITLE : [No Title]

DATE : 12/23/1976

PAGES : 3

DOCUMENT TYPE : MEMORANDUM

SUBJECTS : "SAUL"; SAGUE, TAULER; RUBY, JACK; MEXICO CITY;

ANTI-CASTRO ACTIVITIES

CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : OPEN

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 05/18/1993

COMMENTS : ATTACHED CHRONOLOGY. BOX 59.

Edited by Lee Forman
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That's phenomenal John! Thanks very much for those.

I see that this must have been an important parade. :) Sr DeTorres is also present.

Saul = Saul Sage, or Tauler "Saul" Sague? Is this the same Saul referred to by MacDonald do you know?

Hmm...never heard of a Saul Rubenstein before [below].

The last one looks interesting. I was trying to find a better link to Mexico City for Ruby, aside from the few I have already posted.

So do you think it's possible that Saul was in Dallas on 11/22 and was either mistaken for Ruby, or was purposely doubling him?

- lee

AGENCY : CIA

RECORD NUMBER : 104-10220-10056

RECORDS SERIES : JFK

AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A

DOCUMENT INFORMATION

ORIGINATOR : CIA

FROM : WAVE

TO : OTTAWA INFO DIRECTOR

TITLE : CABLE: NO WAVE OR AMOT TRACES SUBJS REF.

DATE : 12/20/1963

PAGES : 1

DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

SUBJECTS : AMOT; JFK ASSASSINATION; RUBENSTEIN SAUL

CLASSIFICATION :

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : OPEN

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 06/22/2004

COMMENTS : JFK64-55 : F27 : 20040316-1058416 :

AGENCY : HSCA

RECORD NUMBER : 180-10112-10044

RECORDS SERIES : NUMBERED FILES

AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 002458

DOCUMENT INFORMATION

ORIGINATOR : HSCA

FROM : MALENE, W. SCOTT

TO : GAY, DONOVAN

TITLE : [No Title]

DATE : 12/23/1976

PAGES : 3

DOCUMENT TYPE : MEMORANDUM

SUBJECTS : "SAUL"; SAGUE, TAULER; RUBY, JACK; MEXICO CITY;

ANTI-CASTRO ACTIVITIES

CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : OPEN

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 05/18/1993

COMMENTS : ATTACHED CHRONOLOGY. BOX 59.

Hi Lee,

The one and only Saul as mention in the CIA documents and in the book by

MacDonald. I believe that Oswald had "watchers" at all times. Take the case of the incident

in New Orleans of Oswald and Bringuier. Martin just happened to be on Canal Street to film

the confornation between the two individuals. Right after leaving New Orleans, Martin went

to Dallas to visit his close friend, General Walker. He filmed Walker and two other

individiuals inside Walker's home. The two individuals may have been Fasco and Harber.

I tracked down the contact sheets for Gordon Winslow whom returned these sheets to

the late Tom Dunkiin. His death is very weird. If your interested, let me know and I will tell

you what I know concerning Dunkin's death.

P.S. I located Dunkins contact sheets in the Richard Billings collection :)

johnw

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Hi Lee,

The one and only Saul as mention in the CIA documents and in the book by

MacDonald. I believe that Oswald had "watchers" at all times. Take the case of the incident

in New Orleans of Oswald and Bringuier. Martin just happened to be on Canal Street to film

the confornation between the two individuals. Right after leaving New Orleans, Martin went

to Dallas to visit his close friend, General Walker. He filmed Walker and two other

individiuals inside Walker's home. The two individuals may have been Fasco and Harber.

I tracked down the contact sheets for Gordon Winslow whom returned these sheets to

the late Tom Dunkiin. His death is very weird. If your interested, let me know and I will tell

you what I know concerning Dunkin's death.

P.S. I located Dunkins contact sheets in the Richard Billings collection :ph34r:

johnw

Thanks John.

I have seen a lot of the Dunkin stuff - but not many enlargements! Imagine if all of Dunkin's stuff was not removed. I would of course be interested in learning more about Dunkin's death.

When you say 'Martin' do you mean Jack S. Martin? It's always interesting to me to consider Intelligence and family. I can't help but wonder why there were so many different Martins attached to it - plus there are a number of other last names that seem to repeat over and over again - I always chalk it up to coincidence, but it's odd. Even Walker.

I have yet to read MacDonald's book. I may have to remedy that. It's still my impression that if Ruby is a Patsy - he's an established Patsy -- pre-selected. In which case, there would be some of the same stuff we see concerning Oswald. He would have had to have been handled, and he also would have possibly been 'fooled with.'

Also can't help but wonder as always about Ruby and possible connections in the underground to unsavory characters connected with the gun and drug smuggling enterprises, to be sure, but also to pedophiles and their ilk. Did he operate an underground place called the 'Pink Door' or 'Tinys?' I guess we may never know.

- lee

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Hi Lee,

The one and only Saul as mention in the CIA documents and in the book by

MacDonald. I believe that Oswald had "watchers" at all times. Take the case of the incident

in New Orleans of Oswald and Bringuier. Martin just happened to be on Canal Street to film

the confornation between the two individuals. Right after leaving New Orleans, Martin went

to Dallas to visit his close friend, General Walker. He filmed Walker and two other

individiuals inside Walker's home. The two individuals may have been Fasco and Harber.

I tracked down the contact sheets for Gordon Winslow whom returned these sheets to

the late Tom Dunkiin. His death is very weird. If your interested, let me know and I will tell

you what I know concerning Dunkin's death.

P.S. I located Dunkins contact sheets in the Richard Billings collection :ph34r:

johnw

Thanks John.

I have seen a lot of the Dunkin stuff - but not many enlargements! Imagine if all of Dunkin's stuff was not removed. I would of course be interested in learning more about Dunkin's death.

When you say 'Martin' do you mean Jack S. Martin? It's always interesting to me to consider Intelligence and family. I can't help but wonder why there were so many different Martins attached to it - plus there are a number of other last names that seem to repeat over and over again - I always chalk it up to coincidence, but it's odd. Even Walker.

I have yet to read MacDonald's book. I may have to remedy that. It's still my impression that if Ruby is a Patsy - he's an established Patsy -- pre-selected. In which case, there would be some of the same stuff we see concerning Oswald. He would have had to have been handled, and he also would have possibly been 'fooled with.'

Also can't help but wonder as always about Ruby and possible connections in the underground to unsavory characters connected with the gun and drug smuggling enterprises, to be sure, but also to pedophiles and their ilk. Did he operate an underground place called the 'Pink Door' or 'Tinys?' I guess we may never know.

- lee

Lee,

This would be John Martin whom was with General Walker while station over in

Europe. I believe that the aussie posted a few frames from my collection on the

forum. The images were made from slides that were lifted from Harold Weisberg's

copy.

I have attached a few more contact sheets for your review and I will gave you

insight into the strange death of Dunkin later.

john w

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...

12:40pm? Tom Tilson, sees a man that would fit in with Lee Bowers description, sliding down the embankment with an object that appears to be rifle shaped, slams into the side of the car, which is not a green Ford pick-up but a dark car, and drives off. Tilson and his daughter give chase, and Tilson catches up to the man and gets a good look at his face - Tilson believes it is Jack Ruby. [On-line account, below]. The McIntyre photo doesn't mean crap to me personally - if they altered the other photos, no reason to start thinking this one was left alone. ....

Or any of the rest of 'em either. How can we be sure Jack Kennedy's really even dead? The faked Z-film or the bogus autopsy photos or maybe the coerced and altered testimonies of the Parkland doctors, or the doctored DPD tapes? No reason to start thinking any of it is real!

(The real deal is that, in those days, ex-presidents could only retire, not latch onto lucrative board and consulting jobs, so ol' Jack, thinking ahead, knows his only saving grace will be as a martyr, so fakes his death and now collects royalties off of all the books and films and such. Be sparing with your word$$ here!)

On the particular topic above, I said it once, I'll say it again: Tom Tilson Tells Tall Tales. Sosumi. :ph34r:

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I always wondered why the CIA released the photos of the false "Oswald"

character at the Mexico City Russian Embassy when they in fact were manifestly not

Oswald.........................but only a pal of DeTorres................???

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I wonder if anyone has any information as to the address of the gas station that Harry, Kay, Jack and Jimmy had a chat variously described as 'brief' and three hours long the night before Jack shot Lee? JohnD
John, it was a parking area - garage or lot, I'm not sure, but I think the former - not a gas station. Harry's testimony identifies its location; I don't remember it offhand, but can get it for you if you really need it.

Obviously, Jack was never asked about it; on the other hand, Jimmy - actually, his name was Johnny; I don't recall his last name at the moment, but I've got the info around here - was. Harry didn't know Johnny's last name (because he didn't really know Johnny except in passing) but the FBI has its resources, and found and interviewed him at his home in Grand Prairie a short while later. His story is markedly different than Harry's, which amounts to that it didn't happen the way Harry said it did. At all.

Johnny stated that yes, he recognized Harry and Kay from their having parked there before, and knew of Jack Ruby and had seen him, too, but that he'd never spoken with any of them at any length (beyond, say, "thank you, sir, have a nice evening"), and with respect to that particular conversation - which he'd witnessed - said that he "didn't overhear" any of it, and "certainly" didn't know any of the participants in it "well enough" to engage in protracted conversation with them, and was not a participant in the conversation Harry described and claimed he took part in.

Harry lied. And then lied some more:

We're all familiar with Harry & Kay's story (they were husband and wife at this point, and could never be called to testify one against the other, but had obviously concocted a story to tell) about how Jack was "bawling" about "poor Jacqueline and the kids," a regular babbling idiot. Clearly the man was out of his mind with grief and should not be held accountable for his actions (seeing as how he was on trial at the time, it's almost a wonder anyone was even asked about him for the record!).

One can understand how such despair would stick out in someone's mind ... which would then make one wonder why Harry's original story doesn't match his testimony: in December 63, when interviewed by the FBI in his Dallas hospital bed following a car accident, he said that Jack was "no more upset than the average guy" after Kennedy's assasination. Four months later, Harry sings a different tune from California.

...And we're not even going to start delving into the rest of his testimony here, but it's definitely "post-doctorate" work (you've heard about technical degrees? BS, MS and PhD? Right: Bull S__t, More S__t, Piled Higher and Deeper).

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Yes please, Duke. I've looked for the address on a number of occasions when it seemed relevant with no luck. I was trying to figure something out and kept coming up against that in following Ruby's movements.

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Yes please, Duke. I've looked for the address on a number of occasions when it seemed relevant with no luck. I was trying to figure something out and kept coming up against that in following Ruby's movements.
John, the place was known as Simon's Garage, located at 1300 Jackson, Dallas.

Here's what "Johnny" had to say about it:

JOHN J. SIMPSON, JR., advised he resides with his sister, Mrs. GRADY AILES, at 731 Norwood Drive, Hurst, Texas, and is currently employed as a service station attandant at the Gulf Service Station located at the corner of Pipe Line Road and Harrison Lane, Hurst, Texas.

SIMPSON advised that he is commonly known by the nickname of "JOHNNY". He stated that from late Friday night, November 22, 1963, until 6:00 a.m., Saturday morning, November 23, 1963, he was employed as the night parking attendant at Simon's Garage, 1300 Jackson, Dallas, Texas.

He recalls that aroudn 1:00 a.m., Saturday morning, November 23, 1963, a Dallas police officer named OLSEN (whom SIMPSON believes is no longer employed as a Dallas police officer) came to Simon's Garage and got his car. OLSEN then pulled up the the garage exit to wait for his girl friend, name unknown, who was working as a dancer at JACK RUBY's night club, located just one block away on Commerce Street. When the girl friend came and got into OLSEN's car, they started to drive off, but the girl apparently saw JACK RUBY walking down the street and she yelled a greeting to him. RUBY called back, and OLSEN stopped his car when RUBY came up to the car to talk to OLSEN and the girl.

SIMPSON stated that RUBY, the girl, and OLSEN must have conversed at least an hour and possibly longer at this time by the garage.

SIMPSON stated that he did not take part in any of the conversation and does not know what the three talked about. He does recall having overheard RUBY remark that he had been to police headquarters that same night and had taken coffee and eats to the police officers. SIMPSON stated he knows JACK RUBY

by sight but is not a personal friend of RUBY's. He knew OLSEN as a member of the Dallas Police Department, and he recognized the girl with OSLEN as one of the dancers at RUBY's night club, but SIMPSON stated he was not a close friend of the three individuals. He would have had no reason to listen to or partake in their private conversations.

(All emphases added.)

Page one of this exhibit was a cover letter dated September 1 stating that the interview of "one 'Johnnie' (Last Name Unknown)" was requested by the WC by letter dated August 25, 1964. All of the underlined sections above indicate those that differ from Harry and Kay's April 1964 depositions. There does not appear to be any follow-up to the contradictions by anyone investigating the situation. Of course, by September 1 - plus the time it took for the report to reach DC - it really was moot as the WC was already closing up shop. An interesting item for the record, tho'.

This incident as well as Harry's guarding of the "estate" in Oak Cliff are so minor in the grand scheme of things that weekend, one really has to ask: "Why lie, Harry? What are you hiding?"

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Yes please, Duke. I've looked for the address on a number of occasions when it seemed relevant with no luck. I was trying to figure something out and kept coming up against that in following Ruby's movements.
John, the place was known as Simon's Garage, located at 1300 Jackson, Dallas.

Here's what "Johnny" had to say about it:

JOHN J. SIMPSON, JR., advised he resides with his sister, Mrs. GRADY AILES, at 731 Norwood Drive, Hurst, Texas, and is currently employed as a service station attandant at the Gulf Service Station located at the corner of Pipe Line Road and Harrison Lane, Hurst, Texas.

SIMPSON advised that he is commonly known by the nickname of "JOHNNY". He stated that from late Friday night, November 22, 1963, until 6:00 a.m., Saturday morning, November 23, 1963, he was employed as the night parking attendant at Simon's Garage, 1300 Jackson, Dallas, Texas.

He recalls that aroudn 1:00 a.m., Saturday morning, November 23, 1963, a Dallas police officer named OLSEN (whom SIMPSON believes is no longer employed as a Dallas police officer) came to Simon's Garage and got his car. OLSEN then pulled up the the garage exit to wait for his girl friend, name unknown, who was working as a dancer at JACK RUBY's night club, located just one block away on Commerce Street. When the girl friend came and got into OLSEN's car, they started to drive off, but the girl apparently saw JACK RUBY walking down the street and she yelled a greeting to him. RUBY called back, and OLSEN stopped his car when RUBY came up to the car to talk to OLSEN and the girl.

SIMPSON stated that RUBY, the girl, and OLSEN must have conversed at least an hour and possibly longer at this time by the garage.

SIMPSON stated that he did not take part in any of the conversation and does not know what the three talked about. He does recall having overheard RUBY remark that he had been to police headquarters that same night and had taken coffee and eats to the police officers. SIMPSON stated he knows JACK RUBY

by sight but is not a personal friend of RUBY's. He knew OLSEN as a member of the Dallas Police Department, and he recognized the girl with OSLEN as one of the dancers at RUBY's night club, but SIMPSON stated he was not a close friend of the three individuals. He would have had no reason to listen to or partake in their private conversations.

(All emphases added.)

Page one of this exhibit was a cover letter dated September 1 stating that the interview of "one 'Johnnie' (Last Name Unknown)" was requested by the WC by letter dated August 25, 1964. All of the underlined sections above indicate those that differ from Harry and Kay's April 1964 depositions. There does not appear to be any follow-up to the contradictions by anyone investigating the situation. Of course, by September 1 - plus the time it took for the report to reach DC - it really was moot as the WC was already closing up shop. An interesting item for the record, tho'.

This incident as well as Harry's guarding of the "estate" in Oak Cliff are so minor in the grand scheme of things that weekend, one really has to ask: "Why lie, Harry? What are you hiding?"

Thank you, Duke. And thanks for the name correction too. I really am quite bad with names. Jack seemed keen to change the subject when they got around to the Johnny garage meeting and they seemed happy to allow it. Olsen (and Kay) perhaps were not keen to seem to have contributed to putting Jack in a mindframe to kill Oswald and Jack didn't see to like that idea either.

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Guest John Woods

Lee,

Dunkin had access to some very important players including

WerBell. I have a few images of WerBell and Project Nassau.

Dunkin was found butt naked right outside his mobile home.

First thoughts by officals was that Dunkin was struck by lightning

which was latered changed to his so-call drinking habits. A number

of friends and reporters disbuted the officals findings.

A second team that went into Dunkin's mobile home found all

the floor boards had been ripped up. Also, his photo collection

soaking up several inches of water.

The contact sheets of INTERPEN were meant NEVER to be found.

johnw

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