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Oh well, I know I shouldn't but here goes.

(1) Its a Womans individual right to choose. Do you seriously believe that banning abortion would make the problem go away.It would simply mean a return to "Back street abortionist's" Then watch the body count rise.

(2) Isnt it strange, that the very people who proclaim with such certainty that the state cant possibly save peoples Jobs-nieghbourhoods by direct intervention, are the same people who cant wait to "get busy" with abortion, gay marrage, right to die, etc. it seems to me that the very places were individual freedoms are needed, are the places that the state seeks to deny them.

I know this is an issue where feelings run both high and deep, and I certainly dont pretend to have all the answers. But like it or not, its the womans choise, and having decided on this painful course of action, she needs our support, not our vilification... All the best ..Steve.

The right to chose is just an idea, it may be reflected legislatively in some jurisdictions or it might not, in which case abortion may not be allowed.

WELL UNDER THOSE RESTRICTIONS, IS NOT ANYTHING "JUST AN IDEA"FREEDOM OF SPEECH,LIBERTY, JUSTICE ETC..

The relationship between abortion and choice is not universal, female feticide in China and India for example is not really about choice.

WHO THE HELL SAID THEY WERE,STICK TO THE TOPIC WITHOUT BRING IN FELATIOUS ARGUEMENTS....

The euthanasia of infants and abortion will possibly be merged in Holland in order to protect doctors who are already doing both.

i HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS STATEMENT MEANS.

The right to die will ultimately turn into a reality TV show. Gay marriage is probably not something the vast majority of homosexuals will want to do.

PLEASE CITE YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THE ABOVE CLAIMS...........

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Oh well, I know I shouldn't but here goes.

(1) Its a Womans individual right to choose. Do you seriously believe that banning abortion would make the problem go away.It would simply mean a return to "Back street abortionist's" Then watch the body count rise.

(2) Isnt it strange, that the very people who proclaim with such certainty that the state cant possibly save peoples Jobs-nieghbourhoods by direct intervention, are the same people who cant wait to "get busy" with abortion, gay marrage, right to die, etc. it seems to me that the very places were individual freedoms are needed, are the places that the state seeks to deny them.

I know this is an issue where feelings run both high and deep, and I certainly dont pretend to have all the answers. But like it or not, its the womans choise, and having decided on this painful course of action, she needs our support, not our vilification... All the best ..Steve.

The right to chose is just an idea, it may be reflected legislatively in some jurisdictions or it might not, in which case abortion may not be allowed.

WELL UNDER THOSE RESTRICTIONS, IS NOT ANYTHING "JUST AN IDEA"FREEDOM OF SPEECH,LIBERTY, JUSTICE ETC..

The relationship between abortion and choice is not universal, female feticide in China and India for example is not really about choice.

WHO THE HELL SAID THEY WERE,STICK TO THE TOPIC WITHOUT BRING IN FELATIOUS ARGUEMENTS....

The euthanasia of infants and abortion will possibly be merged in Holland in order to protect doctors who are already doing both.

i HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS STATEMENT MEANS.

The right to die will ultimately turn into a reality TV show. Gay marriage is probably not something the vast majority of homosexuals will want to do.

PLEASE CITE YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THE ABOVE CLAIMS...........

The right to be free of heterosexual tyranny as manifested by gender specific lavatories might be an example of what can be possible.

I am not well-informed of gay marriage being popular (anywhere) as something homosexuals will want to do in considerable numbers.

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I am not well-informed of gay marriage being popular (anywhere) as something homosexuals will want to do in considerable numbers.

FINE, THEN LETS DO WHAT YOU RIGHT WINGERS LOVE TO CLAIM IS THE ANSWER TO ALL OF LIFE'S LITTLE PROBLEMS, MAKE IT LEGAL, AND LET THE MARKET DECIDE...Steve.

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Greg,

How can one not feel the hate. It's palpable. Note the urgency to labeling, to name calling, often with profanity. Note it's immediacy. Hang in...these brickbats are rhetorical whiffle balls hurled by useful idiots.

Check this out. Clinton finally has brought his New World Order dream out of the closet:

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/sep/05091603.html

The most poignant section of the article:

"The list of goals, however innocuous and noble they may sound on the surface, will be recognized by pro-life UN-watchers as the usual roster of projects used by the UN’s population and eugenics activists as a smokescreen. They are the standard tools for the universal imposition of abortion, sterilization, the destruction of the family and religious freedom and the erosion of the sovereign rights of independent nations. "

Regards, JG

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Greg,

  How can one not feel the hate.  It's palpable.  Note the urgency to labeling, to name calling, often with profanity.  Note it's immediacy.  Hang in...these brickbats are rhetorical whiffle balls hurled by useful idiots.

  Check this out.  Clinton finally has brought his New World Order dream out of the closet: 

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/sep/05091603.html

  The most poignant section of the article:

"The list of goals, however innocuous and noble they may sound on the surface, will be recognized by pro-life UN-watchers as the usual roster of projects used by the UN’s population and eugenics activists as a smokescreen. They are the standard tools for the universal imposition of abortion, sterilization, the destruction of the family and religious freedom and the erosion of the sovereign rights of independent nations. "

Regards, JG

John, what names have I called Greg, He labelled himself right wing in his Bio. I have forcefully put my side of the arguement, and that is all. You are the one doing the name calling around here. I, according to you, am a "Useful idiot" given to name calling, profanity, & labeling. get a grip, please..Steve.

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Greg,

  How can one not feel the hate.  It's palpable.  Note the urgency to labeling, to name calling, often with profanity.  Note it's immediacy.  Hang in...these brickbats are rhetorical whiffle balls hurled by useful idiots.

  Check this out.  Clinton finally has brought his New World Order dream out of the closet: 

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/sep/05091603.html

  The most poignant section of the article:

"The list of goals, however innocuous and noble they may sound on the surface, will be recognized by pro-life UN-watchers as the usual roster of projects used by the UN’s population and eugenics activists as a smokescreen. They are the standard tools for the universal imposition of abortion, sterilization, the destruction of the family and religious freedom and the erosion of the sovereign rights of independent nations. "

Regards, JG

I would like to congratulate you on your reference material. Life for one or two liberals in Canada might get just a little exciting in a couple of weeks.

The old narrative of corruption, child pornography, trafficking of children and organized crime, always organized crime with the Canadian govt.

And as many missing girls as Ciudad Juárez - The Canadian Liberals are a lot of things, nice and safe babysitters are not two of them.

Gregory

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I am not well-informed of gay marriage being popular (anywhere) as something homosexuals will want to do in considerable numbers.

FINE, THEN LETS DO WHAT YOU RIGHT WINGERS LOVE TO CLAIM IS THE ANSWER TO ALL OF LIFE'S LITTLE PROBLEMS, MAKE IT LEGAL, AND LET THE MARKET DECIDE...Steve.

I think it's an Edsel.

Why gay marriage should stand for gay rights is strange. Queer politics fought for sexual ideas and to destroy family & patriarchy. There are now radical and assimilationist camps within the gay rights movement.

Gay marriage was important to the re-election campaign of President Bush, there were no jobs for Ohio, but the freak-show will eat your kids, so vote correctly and many people did vote for the idea of authentic family.

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Greg,

  How can one not feel the hate.  It's palpable.  Note the urgency to labeling, to name calling, often with profanity.  Note it's immediacy.  Hang in...these brickbats are rhetorical whiffle balls hurled by useful idiots.

  Check this out.  Clinton finally has brought his New World Order dream out of the closet: 

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/sep/05091603.html

  The most poignant section of the article:

"The list of goals, however innocuous and noble they may sound on the surface, will be recognized by pro-life UN-watchers as the usual roster of projects used by the UN’s population and eugenics activists as a smokescreen. They are the standard tools for the universal imposition of abortion, sterilization, the destruction of the family and religious freedom and the erosion of the sovereign rights of independent nations. "

Regards, JG

I would like to congratulate you on your reference material. Life for one or two liberals in Canada might get just a little exciting in a couple of weeks.

The old narrative of corruption, child pornography, trafficking of children and organized crime, always organized crime with the Canadian govt.

And as many missing girls as Ciudad Juárez - The Canadian Liberals are a lot of things, nice and safe babysitters are not two of them.

Gregory

Gregory, just for the sake of clarity, you are, are you not suggesting that ALL Canadian liberals are potential, if not actual, child molestors. straight yes or no will surfice on this B)

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I would like to congratulate you on your reference material. Life for one or two liberals in Canada might get just a little exciting in a couple of weeks.

The old narrative of corruption, child pornography, trafficking of children and organized crime, always organized crime with the Canadian govt.

And as many missing girls as Ciudad Juárez - The Canadian Liberals are a lot of things, nice and safe babysitters are not two of them.

Gregory, you beginning to sound like Tim Gratz with his constant hijacking of threads to argue that Castro killed JFK. You seem to have a fixation about sex criminals. You have hijacked several threads recently with irrelevant coments about sex (see the thread on the Just War). If you continue with this strategy I will start deleting your posts. By all means start your own threads concerning your sexual problems, we are very tolerant on this forum and we realise that people need an outlet for their dark thoughts, however, do not try to take over those of other members.

Gregory, you still have not posted a photograph as your avatar. You are receiving your final warning, do it or your membership will be suspended.

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I would like to congratulate you on your reference material.

Gregory

No doubt you would, for the more casual visitor to this thread, here's some more of the totally unbiased writings that can be found on this site.

"Witchcraft & nailclippings, the weird world of Cherie Blair."

"Soft porn funds go to Katrina victims."

" Starbucks cup promotes homosexuality" ( you couldn't make it up B) )

"Survey finds more women try bi-sexuality" ( more than what, elks?)

"Delaying babies defies nature" ( back in the kitchen girls)

" Queers on wheels event does disservice to disabled"

"Pastor to defend stance against homosexual activity" (Oh what bravery!!)

" Ministers ask faithful to help ban gay marrage"

"Ontario, a Sharia free zone" (praise be )

"Bill Clintons messianic complex."

Please read the originals, the blatant pious, uptight, hypocritical, nature of the writtings is (unintentionally) side splitting.

Oh and BTW, just what is it about homosexual/lesbian behaviour that gets your collective right wing panties so bunched up....Steve.

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I'm getting more and more worried about the direction the forum is taking. Every time I see a thread with an interesting title, like this one or the "just war" one and decide to take a look, I find that it's been hi-jacked by people who seem to have no interest whatever in the purported title of the thread...

This, along with the preponderance of threads referring to a wide variety of supposed political conspiracies, is, I think, detracting from what ought to be the fundamentally "educational" slant of the forum...

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Greg,

  How can one not feel the hate.  It's palpable.  Note the urgency to labeling, to name calling, often with profanity.  Note it's immediacy.  Hang in...these brickbats are rhetorical whiffle balls hurled by useful idiots.

  Check this out.  Clinton finally has brought his New World Order dream out of the closet: 

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/sep/05091603.html

  The most poignant section of the article:

"The list of goals, however innocuous and noble they may sound on the surface, will be recognized by pro-life UN-watchers as the usual roster of projects used by the UN’s population and eugenics activists as a smokescreen. They are the standard tools for the universal imposition of abortion, sterilization, the destruction of the family and religious freedom and the erosion of the sovereign rights of independent nations. "

Regards, JG

I would like to congratulate you on your reference material. Life for one or two liberals in Canada might get just a little exciting in a couple of weeks.

The old narrative of corruption, child pornography, trafficking of children and organized crime, always organized crime with the Canadian govt.

And as many missing girls as Ciudad Juárez - The Canadian Liberals are a lot of things, nice and safe babysitters are not two of them.

Gregory

Gregory, just for the sake of clarity, you are, are you not suggesting that ALL Canadian liberals are potential, if not actual, child molestors. straight yes or no will surfice on this :)

I am sure most reasonable people will agree the impropriety & wickedness of the Liberal Party of Canada has to be viewed as the work of politicians.

In a couple of weeks there will be more scandals in the news. I do not believe there is any useful point anticipating the sordid detail here.

I feel we need to re-track this thread away from the Liberal Party of Canada and back towards the original topic of discussion.

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I'm getting more and more worried about the direction the forum is taking. Every time I see a thread with an interesting title, like this one or the "just war" one and decide to take a look, I find that it's been hi-jacked by people who seem to have no interest whatever in the purported title of the thread...

This, along with the preponderance of threads referring to a wide variety of supposed political conspiracies, is, I think, detracting from what ought to be the fundamentally "educational" slant of the forum...

When the thread started it was about Catholicism. Other people including at least one Catholic subsequently proceeded along the original lines.

By the time it arrived at a discussion about Canada it was still rooted to the original theme. I made a positive comment about a pro-Vatican magazine.

I was not under the impression that members were expected to go with the flow and criticize the Catholic Church as a factor of group-think.

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I was not under the impression that members were expected to go with the flow and criticize the Catholic Church as a factor of group-think.

I don't understand you. All I said was that your recent posts to this thread -- and most of the other recent posts -- appear to have nothing whatsoever to do with abortion in Nazi Germany.

If making this point makes me anti-Catholic and pro-abortion, I must be missing something...

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I was not under the impression that members were expected to go with the flow and criticize the Catholic Church as a factor of group-think.

I don't understand you. All I said was that your recent posts to this thread -- and most of the other recent posts -- appear to have nothing whatsoever to do with abortion in Nazi Germany.

If making this point makes me anti-Catholic and pro-abortion, I must be missing something...

The original article was about the Catholic Church as it began and at its end it was still about the Catholic Church, the theme was consistent.

The 'go with the flow remark' related to the Catholic themed content of the original article which began the thread rather than any later contributions.

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