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Black Op Radio, Thursday, March 18, 2010, has DiEugenio making biographical connection between McCloy, Dulles, and the Rockefellers, McCloy's eugenics interests align with family policies.

See also CTKA page:

http://www.ctka.net/2008/bugliosi_8_review.html

More and more, Dallas looks less like a "Yankee vs. Cowboy War" and more like a turning of both camps against the Kennedys. With all respect to Carl Oglesby - who really headed the Eastern Establishment? The Kennedys or the Rockefellers?

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Black Op Radio, Thursday, March 18, 2010, has DiEugenio making biographical connection between McCloy, Dulles, and the Rockefellers, McCloy's eugenics interests align with family policies.

See also CTKA page:

http://www.ctka.net/...i_8_review.html

More and more, Dallas looks less like a "Yankee vs. Cowboy War" and more like a turning of both camps against the Kennedys. With all respect to Carl Oglesby - who really headed the Eastern Establishment? The Kennedys or the Rockefellers?

My answer would be the Rockefeller's. Presidential power is only as strong as a Presidential administration's ability to win support from the electorate which brought a particular President to power, coupled with the Administrations ability to

balance, i.e. satisfy the liberal and conservative forces which dominate the cultural, military and political landscape of

that era.

Almost five decades later, the answer seems a lot more clearer than it did in the 1960's. I also believe that those who

feel Sarah Palin is history, in terms of Presidential aspirations, may be allowing wishful thinking to impede their thought processes.

Why?

Harken back to 1962, Richard Nixon had just loss another election, since being defeated by JFK in 1960;

this time to Pat Brown. He was the ultimate political castoff.

But then, a few years go by, LBJ's prediction regarding Vietnam, "nailing the coonskin to the wall," was an absurdity;

it was not soon after that, in the words of the media back then, that the "new and improved Nixon," started his push;

no one knows what would have happened if RFK had lived to run against Richard Nixon, but there was a time, when

the consensus was, that Robert Kennedy would have won that battle, I tend to think so, but I also don't believe in

lamenting the past either.

There is another bigger issue involved regarding American history, in which John J McCloy is involved.

In 1963, and in retrospect, who is to say that John J McCloy and Allen Dulles, irrespective of his dismissal

previously with Charles Cabell, weren't JFK's equals, at least within the geographical area known as

Washington D.C.

The following is an area to ponder, in that regard:

There are discoveries that are only revealed with the passage of time, and everyday Americans rely upon the

historian to reveal these discoveries. It goes without saying that impartiality is a prerequisite. One such discovery

concerns perceptions of the New Deal Era, of Franklin D. Roosevelt.

In our era, there seems to be an effort to create the blanket impression that Roosevelt's administration's [1933-1945]

included the ultimate collection of liberals, with nary a conservative presence.

There is a strong argument that, this perception, is historically inaccurate.

Author Godfrey Hodgson, in 1990, wrote of this fact stating: "that, during a war for democracy conducted

by a Democratic President— which was also, more than any previous foreign war in American history,

a democratic war in the sense that millions of men from every corner of American life

fought it together— the War Department was directed by a narrow clique of wealthy Republicans, and

one that was almost as narrowly biased, in social and educational terms, as a traditional British Tory Cabinet.

For this striking class composition, Henry Stimson was very much responsible.

As Harvey Bundy put it, "he [stimson] told the President about it, but he had carte blanche from FDR, so we had the

most united team in the War Department you've ever seen."

Robert: That War Department in the World War II era, consisted of Robert A. Lovett, Harvey Bundy, [father of McGeorge

and William Bundy], John J. McCloy, Judge Robert A. Patterson and George L. Harrison. Author Alexandra Robbins,

made note of the Skull and Bones memberships of some of the persons cited.

See

The Colonel: The Life and Wars of Henry L. Stimson, 1867-1950 - Godfrey Hodgson - Knopf - 1990

Secrets of the Tomb: Skull and Bones, the Ivy League and the Hidden Paths of Power - Alexandra Robbins - Back Bay Books - 2002

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FDR was a figurehead. The democratic "party" is a right wing sponsored diversion designed to fill the space that should be occupied by an actual populist driven, opposition party.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,761800,00.html

Monday, Jul. 31, 1939

Hearing that Democratic Chairman James Aloysius Farley, GOP Chairman John D. M. Hamilton, Liberty Leaguer Jouett Shouse, Stiff-necked Democratic Senator Joseph O'Mahoney, Republican Congressman Ham Fish and John and Anna Roosevelt were all sailing for Europe on the same ship, Franklin D. Roosevelt remarked : "That will be a great boatload," observed that if someone didn't get thrown overboard before the ship reached Southampton he would miss a guess. It would not, he predicted, be Jim Farley....

http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/144.html

Records of the Temporary National Economic Committee [TNEC]

Search ARC for Entries from this Record Group

(Record Group 144)

1938-41

645 cu. ft....

144.2 RECORDS OF THE COMMITTEE

1938-41

967 lin. ft.

...Specific Restrictions: As specified by the SEC, no one, except government officials for official purposes, may have access to records created and filed by the SEC on behalf of the TNEC, except for the following: certain records relating to the insurance study, consisting of replies to formal questionnaires (but not including replies to questionnaires sent to state supervisory officials and replies to the questionnaire of February 9, 1940, to life insurance agents); exhibits, including rate books and form insurance policies; and all conventional-form annual statements.

DAVISON SLATED FOR ARMY; He Is Expected to Receive Rank of...

- New York Times - May 14, 1941

F. Trubee Davison, who served as Assistant Secretary of War with supervision over the Air Corps for six years ending in 1933, soon will[ accept a commission ...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Kg4tAAAAIBAJ&sjid=AWkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3218,1274145&dq=trubee&hl=en

On This Hill .

Cavalier Daily - May 4, 1942

....So about two months ago his name came up for promotion. The recommendations of his immediate superior officers was excellent. They proposed that he be made a major.

But when this recommendation came to the office of Col. Trubee Davison, Hoover's Assistant Secretary of War and a stauch Republican campaigner, it was blocked. Whether Trubee Davison personally stopped it is not known. But there is no question that someone in his office did.

Roosevelet appointed Republican Davison to an important personnel job in the Air Corps, so his office has to pass on promotions. And there Elliott's promotion rested, until finally regular army officers blasted it out..

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FDR was a figurehead. The democratic "party" is a right wing sponsored diversion designed to fill the space that should be occupied by an actual populist driven, opposition party.

http://www.time.com/...,761800,00.html

Monday, Jul. 31, 1939

Hearing that Democratic Chairman James Aloysius Farley, GOP Chairman John D. M. Hamilton, Liberty Leaguer Jouett Shouse, Stiff-necked Democratic Senator Joseph O'Mahoney, Republican Congressman Ham Fish and John and Anna Roosevelt were all sailing for Europe on the same ship, Franklin D. Roosevelt remarked : "That will be a great boatload," observed that if someone didn't get thrown overboard before the ship reached Southampton he would miss a guess. It would not, he predicted, be Jim Farley....

http://www.archives....groups/144.html

Records of the Temporary National Economic Committee [TNEC]

Search ARC for Entries from this Record Group

(Record Group 144)

1938-41

645 cu. ft....

144.2 RECORDS OF THE COMMITTEE

1938-41

967 lin. ft.

...Specific Restrictions: As specified by the SEC, no one, except government officials for official purposes, may have access to records created and filed by the SEC on behalf of the TNEC, except for the following: certain records relating to the insurance study, consisting of replies to formal questionnaires (but not including replies to questionnaires sent to state supervisory officials and replies to the questionnaire of February 9, 1940, to life insurance agents); exhibits, including rate books and form insurance policies; and all conventional-form annual statements.

DAVISON SLATED FOR ARMY; He Is Expected to Receive Rank of...

- New York Times - May 14, 1941

F. Trubee Davison, who served as Assistant Secretary of War with supervision over the Air Corps for six years ending in 1933, soon will[ accept a commission ...

http://news.google.c...dq=trubee&hl=en

On This Hill .

Cavalier Daily - May 4, 1942

....So about two months ago his name came up for promotion. The recommendations of his immediate superior officers was excellent. They proposed that he be made a major.

But when this recommendation came to the office of Col. Trubee Davison, Hoover's Assistant Secretary of War and a stauch Republican campaigner, it was blocked. Whether Trubee Davison personally stopped it is not known. But there is no question that someone in his office did.

Roosevelet appointed Republican Davison to an important personnel job in the Air Corps, so his office has to pass on promotions. And there Elliott's promotion rested, until finally regular army officers blasted it out..

I respect that viewpoint very much; the sad realization is, if that is true, then populism has been squeezed of any real presence which may exist in the ranks of the voters, insofar as transmitting that energy into a real political presence in the Executive Branch.

Are you saying that if Robert F Kennedy had arguably lived through 1968 and then defeated Nixon to become President,

that in terms of legislative and foreign policy accomplishments, nothing would have changed historically from 1968 to 1972?

I am not attacking your premise, as a matter of fact, as far as our era goes, I believe you may very well be right.

I am just interested in what you believe an RFK presidency would have been like, however moot or naive the question may be.

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Black Op Radio, Thursday, March 18, 2010, has DiEugenio making biographical connection between McCloy, Dulles, and the Rockefellers, McCloy's eugenics interests align with family policies.

See also CTKA page:

http://www.ctka.net/2008/bugliosi_8_review.html

More and more, Dallas looks less like a "Yankee vs. Cowboy War" and more like a turning of both camps against the Kennedys. With all respect to Carl Oglesby - who really headed the Eastern Establishment? The Kennedys or the Rockefellers?

Hellloooooo, is there anybody LISTENING? I've been studying the JFK assassination for 2 years - a short time but the advantage I have is so much good work has been done - and what I am coming to the realization is that BOTH THE COWBOYS AND THE YANKEES WORKED TOGETHER TO MURDER JOHN KENNEDY! The Kennedys were not the leaders with the Eastern Establishment - they were opponents of Rockefellers and the CFR/CIA/Rockefeller intelligence nexus. Those folks were war hawks - Nelson Rockefeller wanted to use tactical nukes on North Vietnam, the Rockefellers made a lot of money off OIL - Standard Oil, Exxon. Minor note: JFK started printing greenbacks; Rockefeller pro-Federal Reserve bankers would not like that. Just consider the Rockefellers honorary members of Texas Oil, they made so much money off that.

Of course, the Kennedys were at war with the Cowboys, the Texans, oil companies and oil barons, military contractors, hawks, and throw in Southern segregationists while you are at it.

The COWBOYS and the YANKEES were friends of each other and enemies of the Kennedys. People like Allen Dulles, John J. McCloy and George Herbert Walker Bush were both Cowboy and Yankee, and they played key roles in the JFK assassination and cover up.

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Hellloooooo, is there anybody LISTENING? I've been studying the JFK assassination for 2 years - a short time but the advantage I have is so much good work has been done - and what I am coming to the realization is that BOTH THE COWBOYS AND THE YANKEES WORKED TOGETHER TO MURDER JOHN KENNEDY! The Kennedys were not the leaders with the Eastern Establishment - they were opponents of Rockefellers and the CFR/CIA/Rockefeller intelligence nexus. Those folks were war hawks - Nelson Rockefeller wanted to use tactical nukes on North Vietnam, the Rockefellers made a lot of money off OIL - Standard Oil, Exxon. Minor note: JFK started printing greenbacks; Rockefeller pro-Federal Reserve bankers would not like that. Just consider the Rockefellers honorary members of Texas Oil, they made so much money off that.

Of course, the Kennedys were at war with the Cowboys, the Texans, oil companies and oil barons, military contractors, hawks, and throw in Southern segregationists while you are at it.

The COWBOYS and the YANKEES were friends of each other and enemies of the Kennedys. People like Allen Dulles, John J. McCloy and George Herbert Walker Bush were both Cowboy and Yankee, and they played key roles in the JFK assassination and cover up.

We know now that no president was elected for 48 years from the most populated area of the U.S. All were from the South or So. California. In fact, the Big Three (Kennedy, Kennedy, and King) were executed guess where? The South and So. California. Given that TVA, Oak Ridge, NASA, and even the IBM PC that dominates the world of computers today all were HQ'd in the South, and now with the rust-belt-ization of the North the predominance of the South (and So. California) should be obvious. Cowboys, rednecks, whatever they are, are the people who carried the water and got the jobs done. Even Gerald Ford who wasn't elected, played a huge part running interference for the Warren Commission, and pardoning his pal Richard Nixon on Watergate, which itself is a tentacle of the JFK assassination. The stand-down of the Secret Service in Dealey Plaza is uncontroversial I think because you can see on the Z-film that they did absolutely nothing to protect Kennedy after he was hit the first time. That says to me that the green light came from above, which included Dulles and McCloy, and LBJ was a vitally necessary accomplice who had to manage the evidence and coverup, which he did to perfection. I have a "name base" of sorts, a collection of mini-bios of important Americans of the last century, and the bio on John J. McCloy is by far the fattest of all. A VIP of VIP's.

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On 11/24/2006 at 10:03 AM, John Simkin said:

John McCloy developed a close relationship with Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (Shah of Iran), who gained power in Iran during the Second World War. McCloy's legal firm, Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy, provided legal counsel to Pahlavi. The Chase International Investment Corporation, which McCloy established in the 1950s, had several joint ventures in Iran.

McCloy was also chairman of the Chase Manhattan Bank. Pahlavi had a personal account with the bank. So also did his private family trust, the Pahlavi Foundation. Kai Bird (The Chairman: John J. McCloy: The Making of the American Establishment) has argued: "Each year, the bank handled some $2 billion in Iranian Eurodollar transactions, and throughout the 1970s Iran had at least $6 billion on deposit at various branches around the world." As one financial commentator pointed out: "Iran became the crown jewel of Chase's international banking portfolio."

In January 1978, mass demonstrations took place in Iran. McCloy became concerned that Mohammad Reza Pahlavi would be overthrown. This was a major problem as outstanding loans to the regime amounted to over $500 million. McCloy went to see Robert Bowie, deputy director of the CIA. Bowie, who had just returned from Iran, was convinced that the communist Tudeh Party was behind the protests and were guilty of manipulating the Fedayeen and Mujahadeen. Over the next few months, McCloy organized a campaign to persuade President Jimmy Carter to protect the regime. This included David Rockefeller, Nelson Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger making deputations to the administration.

Despite the fact that Iranian troops had killed over 10,000 demonstrators during the disturbances, on 12th December, 1978, President Carter issued a statement saying: "I fully expect the Shah to maintain power in Iran... I think the predictions of doom and disaster that come from some sources have certainly not been realized at all. The Shah has our support and he also has our confidence."

The following month Mohammad Reza Pahlavi fled the country and on 1st February, 1979, Ayatollah Khomeini returned from exile to form a new government.

McCloy asked President Jimmy Carter to allow the Shah to live in the United States. Carter refused because he had told by his diplomats in Iran that such a decision might encourage the embassy being stormed by mobs. As a result McCloy made preparations for the Shah to stay in the Bahamas. David Rockefeller arranged for his personal assistant at Chase Manhattan, Joseph V. Reed, to manage the Shah's finances.

Rockefeller also established the highly secret, Project Alpha. The main objective was to persuade Carter to provide a safe haven for Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (code-named "Eagle"). McCloy, Rockefeller and Kissinger were referred to as the "Triumvirate". Rockefeller used money from Chase Manhattan Bank to pay employees of Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy who worked on the project. Some of this money was used to persuade academics to write articles defending the record of Pahlavi. For example, George Lenczowski, professor emeritus at the University of California, was paid $40,000 to write a book with the "intention to answer the shah's critics".

Kissinger telephoned Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to Carter, on 7th April, 1979, and berated the president for his emphasis on human rights, which he considered to be "amateurish" and "naive". Brzezinski suggested he talked directly to Carter. Kissinger called Carter and arranged for him to meet David Rockefeller, two days later. Gerald Ford also contacted Carter and urged him to "stand by our friends".

McCloy, Rockefeller and Kissinger arranged for conservative journalists to mount an attack on Carter over this issue. On 19th April, George Will wrote about Carter and the Shah and said; "It is sad that an Administration that knows so much about morality has so little dignity."

On 19th April, Rosalynn Carter wrote in her diary: We can't get away from Iran. Many people - Kissinger, David Rockefeller, Howard Baker, John McCloy, Gerald Ford - all are after Jimmy to bring the shah to the United States, but Jimmy says it's been too long, and anti-American and anti-shah sentiments have escalated so that he doesn't want to. Jimmy said he explained to all of them that the Iranians might kidnap our Americans who are still there."

McCloy had meetings with President Carter in the White House on 16th May and 12th June where he outlined his reasons for providing the Shah with sanctuary. Carter listened politely to his arguments but refused to change his mind.

During the summer of 1979 McCloy contacted Zbigniew Brzezinski, Cyrus Vance, Walter Mondale and Dean Rusk about the Shah being allowed to live in the United States. McCloy told them that Carter's refusal to provide sanctuary to an old U.S. ally was "ungentlemanly" and dismissed the idea that lives in Iran might be jeopardized. Vance later recalled that: "John (McCloy) is a very prolific letter writer. The morning mail often contained something from him about the Shah".

In July 1979, Mondale and Brzezinski told Jimmy Carter that they had changed their minds and now supported asylum for the Shah. Carter replied: "F*** the Shah. I'm not going to welcome him here when he has other places to go where he'll be safe." He added that despite the fact that "Kissinger, Rockefeller and McCloy had been waging a constant campaign on the subject" he did not want the Shah "here playing tennis while Americans in Teheran were being kidnapped or even killed."

McCloy then tried another tactic in order to destabilize Carter's administration. In September, a story was leaked that the CIA had "discovered" a Soviet combat brigade in Cuba. It was claimed that this violated the agreement reached during the Cuban Missile Crisis. McCloy, who had negotiated the agreement with Adlai Stevenson and the Soviets in 1962, knew this was not true. The agreement said that only those Soviet troops associated with the missiles had to leave the island. There was never a complete ban on all Soviet troops in Cuba. Therefore the presence of Soviet combat troops in Cuba was not a violation of the 1962 agreement.

In October, 1979, David Rockefeller's assistant, Joseph Reed, called the State Department and claimed that the Shah had cancer and needed immediate treatment in a U.S. medical facility. Cyrus Vance now told Carter that the Shah should be allowed in as a matter of "common decency". Carter's chief of staff, Hamilton Jordon, argued that if the Shah died outside the United States, Kissinger and his friends would say "that first you caused the Shah's downfall and now you've killed him." Carter replied: "What are you guys going to advise me to do if they overrun our embassy and take our people hostage?"

Faced with the now unanimous opposition of his closest advisers, the president reluctantly agreed to admit the Shah. He arrived at New York Hospital on 22nd October, 1979. Joseph Reed circulated a memo to McCloy and other members of Project Alpha: "Our mission impossible is completed. My applause is like thunder." Less than two weeks later, Iranian militants stormed the U.S. Embassy in Teheran and took hostage 66 Americans.

McCloy now persuaded Jimmy Carter to freeze all Iran's assets in the United States. This was the day before Iran's $4.05 million interest payment was due on its $500 million loan. As this was not now paid, Chase Manhattan Bank announced that the Iranian government was in default. The bank was now allowed to seize all of Iran's Chase accounts and used this money to "offset" any outstanding Iranian loans. In fact, by the end of this process, the bank ended up in profit from the deal.

Is it possible that Project Alpha was really about creating a situation where Chase Manhattan could seize Iranian assets rather than to get the Shah into the United States.

This is a very interesting post, and thread thus far.

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The information about the Rockefellers using McCLoy to influence Carter about letting the Shah into the country is in my book The JFK Assassination: The Evidence Today.

 I got it from the biography of McCloy, The Chairman by Kai Bird.

McCloy was a servant to the CFR types,  through and through.  In 1964, he cooperated in the CIA overthrow in Brazil, and then in 1965 he endorsed Johnson's escalation of the Vietnam War for David Rockefeller. In addition to that endorsement of a JFK reversal, he was an unbilled consultant for CBS on their four part cover up for the Warren Report in 1967.  That important fact, that CBS was using a Warren Commissioner for their information, is something that both McCloy and DIck Salant at CBS tried to conceal, which makes the show a double layered cover up operation.

The idea of McCloy, Dulles and Ford, on the Commission guaranteed it would be an exercise in concealment.  This is why, in my book, I devoted a chapter to this subject.  Since Bugliosi more or less ignored it.  I thought it was important since the things these men did in their careers indicated the kind of people they really were.  I mean McCloy helped Klaus Barbie escape to South America after World War 2.  He was also one of the prime movers behind the Japanese internment.  He actually objected to congress paying the victims an indemnity.  

What else can one say about such a person? Except I think the three main people who constructed the cover up--McCloy, Dulles and Hoover--were three of the worst Americans  of the 20th century. 

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Consider the October Surprise, where Carter was essentially defeated in advance due to a deal negotiated by Reagan's agents (GHW Bush et al), to release the hostages when Reagan took office. There's a reason McCloy was called 'Chairman' -- if anyone could be called the Chairman of the Board of the U.S., it was McCloy. McCloy of course shepherded the Reagan-Bush Transition Team.

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"What else can one say about such a person.  Except tag I think the three main people who constructed the cover up--McCloy, Dulles and Hoover--were three of the worst Americans  of the 20th century."

Lest we beat up prematurely on Hoover, his employment of Sen. McCarthy to out Communists was thwarted by the CIA and Mockingbird. The cure was far worse than the alleged disease.

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5 hours ago, Adam Johnson said:

I've posted this before and no one made comment on McCloy''s  slip up..."whoever the assassin was, sat."  @4:18 second mark pay attention

 

Given the context, he was just feigning humility rather than shoving Oswald in our faces one more time. Amazingly softball interview, which would be difficult to replicate today given the public's extremely heightened cynicism about government reports. Ironic also how the Warren Commission gave us 26 volumes of juicy tidbits that sparked much further investigation by the likes of Garrison and many authors, contrasted with how we got one volume of pure nonsense from 9/11, another world-rocking event.

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3 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Why is that a slip up?

Because he says "whoever the assassin was", as opposed to "the assassin".  Kind of like the plaque on the side of the Texas School Book Depository that says "alleged" assassin.

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The revealing part to me of the Shah part is Carter knew letting him into the US could result in storming of the embassy and taking  of hostages beforehand.  I never knew that.  I remember the hostage crisis in the news and the October Surprise deal for Reagan.  But I never realized Carter was boxed in all the way down to his VP by MCloy, David Rockefeller and Kissinger.  Hard to imagine the peanut farmer Baptist trying to stand up to them and actually saying "F*** the Shah". 

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