A Name?

[Lee Forman]

Mr. Hemming.

Tim -- you have my OK to publish why the U.S. will never invade Cuba [since 1963], and why Felipe Vidal Santiago's brother Ivan killed himself after learning these facts. I named my son after Felipe, and had warned him to refuse Bishop's demands that he travel to Dallas with Roy Hargraves.

Any chance you may be willing to put this one to rest?

Man #1 is an enhancement, taken from a Nix frame, of one of the guys on the knoll, wearing a 'Boonie.'

Man #2 has been called 'TA,' The Assistant or 'DCM,' Dark Complected Man - the man seen in multiple films and photos, stationed by the Stemmons Freeway sign - next to the man pumping the umbrella, in Dealey Plaza. He is wearing a dark colored beret.

Are one of these men Vidal Santiago?

- lee

[Al Carrier]

What happened to Gerry. I asked him to provide a simple background and answer and now he has lost his tongue?

If he does not want to get into this on the forum, he can feel free to e-mail me privately with his response at either:

polinst@mchsi.com

or

al.carrier@waterloo-ia.org

If you have the connections Gerry, you may want to look into this a little closer before committing.

Al

[Al Carrier]

I see your on Gerry,

How about a hint to discredit this. Two positions for shot origin disruption on the ground that would serve to view high elevation viewpoints to alert of shooter origins in positions on buildings on Houston and Elm. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to disrupt an ambush in the confines as small as DP. What went wrong?

Al

[Gerry Hemming]

I see your on Gerry,

How about a hint to discredit this. Two positions for shot origin disruption on the ground that would serve to view high elevation viewpoints to alert of shooter origins in positions on buildings on Houston and Elm. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to disrupt an ambush in the confines as small as DP. What went wrong?

Al

--------------------------------

OK Mr. Lieutenant of the CSI Nightwatch [i have had both your home & City PD E-mail addresses for months thank you] -- You see that I "am on !!" -- as I stated, my AOL connection got dumped and I was never able to log out of this forum yesterday due to the wierd crash on my server, so, as I noticed, (tonight) I was still logged on. I detect in your numerous snide remarks the very same attitude of our famous fantasizing Kazakh Jew, AJ Weberman. What went wrong?? How the hell would I know??!! I have shot low masters at Camp Perry since 1965 [Nat'l Match F/Bedded M-14 w/ iron sights] and missed the "President's 100 Team" by one "V" -- BOO-Hoo !!

Your file shows that you, as a 42 year old "Techie" in a City P.D., are the recipient of two glorious awards from the Iowa State Police Academy: one for "Most Conscientious", and the other "Most Congenial". So where is "Miss Congeniality" when it comes to decent converstion with yours truly??!!

What SOF ramblings are you pissed most about? I have answered directly what queries were posted, and so far none of the interested parties have reacted like some wannabe "rent-a-cop". I hear that Chief Jennings [is it?] thinks highly of your talents -- have you introduced him to any of your spook mentors??

Why would Izqueirdo [and others] be receptive to being placed in a snipers post as security assist for JFK. The same reason that my team was placed in similar circumstances at MIA on Monday afternoon, 18th November 1963. And this was after FBI S/A George Davis [without his partner Paul Schrand] showed up at my riverside [Just Island] cottage on Saturday the 16th. Davis initially stated that MI & SS had firmly determined that one of the Cubans that we had extracted via the USS Oxford [AGTR-1] during the Missile Crisis [one Ismael Santana, known before the extraction to be a Castro D.S.E. agent]

represented a threat to the Prez during the Miami visit. Upon my challenging same [our Info showed that Santana was attending an Intel course at Las Mercedes School, Oriente Province [eastern Cuba] that weekend !!

Davis then shifted gears and said that the really big threat was from Eduardo "Bayo" Perez and his AM/TILT group. Davis insisted that both myself and HKD attended a special briefing at the MI [covert] HQ sited at SW 12th ave, & 1st Street the following day, Sunday [11/17/62] morning.

Present at that briefing were:

Secret Service S/A Ernesto Aragon [latered authored numerous WC docs.];

Fed. Bureau Narcotics A/SAC Nick Navarro [later of TV "Cops" series fame];

Bernardo G. De Torres;

A now retired Miami PD Homicide dick [who later was promoted to Parole Commissioner during the 1970s] Ray Fontana (the cop who Identifieded the corpse of "Gito" Del Valle at the morgue in 1967;

Two JM/WAVE operators, who coming out of retirement, are currently working for Homeland Security, and;

seven others that will remain unidentified until an NARA check is made.

Who was missing?? The Fed. Bur. Narc SAC [Navarro's boss] S/A Gene Marshall.

[2 months later he was set up with a Miami cop and a Dade Co. Deputy Sheriff on a phony drug deal -- just as the WC was shaping up. At that time, Gene was sharing a condo with our lawyer Chuck Ashmann. I found him during late 1966 working on a construction site -- under an alias given to him after a few months at the Fed nut house at Springfield, MO.

Our instructions were to carry our regular sidearms, pick up a govt. suburban, and enter MIA through the Delta-Dash security gate using the password "Lancelot". We were then instructed to be at the airline stairway set up forward [portside] of Air Force One -- in the receiving line.

After adjourning, we discussed serious flaws in this operation: No attendance at the morning roll-call [MIA west end barracks (Intel Section) "corrosion corner"] that would allow ALL of the civvy & uniformed cops and agents to exchange "face-time"; no issuance of bouttoniers for ID purposes, etc. !!

I instructed my team to go unarmed on this detail, and so informed the agents at the Delta-Dash gate. They weren't happy campers on this. "Little Joe" C. Garman disobeyed and carried his Colt .45 Auto. !!

When we saw that the sundecks were bulging with crowds, and that JFK was stopping to make a speech at a makeship platform nearby, we bailed out of the airport "toot-sweet". We observed Frank Fiorini/Sturgis at one side of the platform, and this caused some dismay from two of our folks who had been under him on "Operation-40".

Lt. Carrier, you made vague reference to the fact that you were in the "Army".

Do you have a DD-214? Gots any jump wings, Ranger Tab, or C.I.B.?? or were you a REMF -- "in-the-rear-with-the-gear-troop"??

If you want to pose some numbered paragraph queries rather than snidely-P-wierdf...k rants, then I will attempt to answer any that are not in violation of NDAs, or the 1982 Intel-Identities Act.

What I know comes from "being there" sonny, not from book-reading, and definetly NOT from swallowing disinformation put out by the damage control artists and "Moles".

I didn't ask to be on this forum, but I do see that you are amongst a large group in the membership who have made intense and tedious study of difficult materials -- so lets get off of the juvenile ad-homonym (sp) blatherings, and simply state your case. I then will state mine [with extensive redactions; due to the bare faced fact that: Most is none of your business, and I am not in a tutoring mood.]

Pat Speer: That was a hand gun, not a rifle [.22 cal. Hi-Standard semi-auto pistol w/ suppressor/silencer] that RVK displayed during late 1961.

J. Tim Gratz: Buy a damn tape-recorder, and use a landline. [Florida law permits consensual taping for press work]. I didn't say that Fidel had anything to do with the 2 thermo-nukes buried [a-la Chernobyl] under tons of domed (w/copper mesh) concrete. It was Raul who made references to Fidel's son {"Fidelito"] -- a Soviet trained and expert nuclear physicist -- that an empathetic "shaped-charge" might set off the decaying Tritium triggers used by the Soviets during that era. "Fidelito" convinced his dad to shut down the Chernobyl model nuke reactor [under-construction] sited near Cienfuegos.

The Soviets lost 2 "Yankee-Class" boomers [submarines] transporting the '62 and '65 warheads [onboard fires caused by decaying triggers]. The 5 kiloton fission scuds remained at the Sov-Naval base at Banes, Oriente -- until late 1966. [47 in total] The 2 thermo-nukes were removed from storage at the Bejucal facility [southwest of Habana] when the Gamma, Beta, rads went of the gauges. Bejucal [becausing of anti-EMP/RFE emission shrouding (we term it "Iron-Clad") is now used to beam "white-sound" against our satellite heretofore used by "Marti/RA/RME" entities to broadcast Farsi language "news" to Iran. [The technology and advisors were provided by Belarus via Iran to Cuba two years back.]

The dawn is breaking, and Fort Bragg is waking, so I am hitting the rack toot sweet,

GPH

___________________________________________

[Jim Root]

Gerry

At the time you were in LA, around the Cuban Embassy, and meeting Oswald did you have contact with John Patrick Cannon of the Socialist Workers Party who was also in LA (Fair Play for Cuba)?

In hindsight do you find it odd that so many Forcemen and Rangers, that Edwin Walker had commanded or trained, ended up as intelligence opperatives (since they knew Walker and Oswald, whom you met, is supposed to have shot at Walker)?

Do you have any information on the early insertion of US personel (appeox. 14) that went into Vietnam in 54/55 and their journey through Hawaii? Early development of Green Berets and Walker's involvement?

Jim Root

[James Richards]

Davis then shifted gears and said that the really big threat was from Eduardo "Bayo" Perez and his AM/TILT group. (Gerry Hemming)

Gerry,

Now that is really interesting. Bayo supposedly went missing on Op Tilt (mid 1963) so to see him as a threat in November of 1963, you guys obviously didn't buy that story?

As to Bayo's guys, was Virgilio Gonzalez prominent in the potential Miami threat?

James

Edited May 15, 2005 by James Richards

[Terry Mauro]

According to Gerry, there are two nuclear weapons still in Cuba that Fidel could ignite to go out in a suicidal glory if a US invasion of Cuba was imminent, an explosion the results of which would decimate most of Southern Florida.  Not sure if he has any delivery mechanism.  According to Gerry, every President since JFK has known this and that may be the only reason (per Gerry) none has ever invaded Cuba.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

"...an explosion the results of which would decimate most of Southern Florida.  Not sure if he has any delivery mechanism."

Remember Boca Chica Naval Air Station circa 1963 - 1964, with its floating ammunition dump, purportedly holding enough nuclear warheads to blow up the whole state of Florida? It was situated right across a little lagoon-like inlet from the Stock Island trailer park I was living in, at the time. BTW, if it's still activated it could be used as counter-insurance against whatever payloads Castro may have his hands on, possibly as measure or margin of safety in a Mexican stand-off with Cuba? If it's still there, that is, what with all the base closures going on, now that we're engaged in an all-out war in the Middle East. But, it all stopped making sense years ago.

[Terry Mauro]

I see your on Gerry,

How about a hint to discredit this. Two positions for shot origin disruption on the ground that would serve to view high elevation viewpoints to alert of shooter origins in positions on buildings on Houston and Elm. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to disrupt an ambush in the confines as small as DP. What went wrong?

Al

--------------------------------

OK Mr. Lieutenant of the CSI Nightwatch [i have had both your home & City PD E-mail addresses for months thank you] -- You see that I "am on !!" -- as I stated, my AOL connection got dumped and I was never able to log out of this forum yesterday due to the wierd crash on my server, so, as I noticed, (tonight) I was still logged on. I detect in your numerous snide remarks the very same attitude of our famous fantasizing Kazakh Jew, AJ Weberman. What went wrong?? How the hell would I know??!! I have shot low masters at Camp Perry since 1965 [Nat'l Match F/Bedded M-14 w/ iron sights] and missed the "President's 100 Team" by one "V" -- BOO-Hoo !!

Your file shows that you, as a 42 year old "Techie" in a City P.D., are the recipient of two glorious awards from the Iowa State Police Academy: one for "Most Conscientious", and the other "Most Congenial". So where is "Miss Congeniality" when it comes to decent converstion with yours truly??!!

What SOF ramblings are you pissed most about? I have answered directly what queries were posted, and so far none of the interested parties have reacted like some wannabe "rent-a-cop". I hear that Chief Jennings [is it?] thinks highly of your talents -- have you introduced him to any of your spook mentors??

Why would Izqueirdo [and others] be receptive to being placed in a snipers post as security assist for JFK. The same reason that my team was placed in similar circumstances at MIA on Monday afternoon, 18th November 1963. And this was after FBI S/A George Davis [without his partner Paul Schrand] showed up at my riverside [Just Island] cottage on Saturday the 16th. Davis initially stated that MI & SS had firmly determined that one of the Cubans that we had extracted via the USS Oxford [AGTR-1] during the Missile Crisis [one Ismael Santana, known before the extraction to be a Castro D.S.E. agent]

represented a threat to the Prez during the Miami visit. Upon my challenging same [our Info showed that Santana was attending an Intel course at Las Mercedes School, Oriente Province [eastern Cuba] that weekend !!

Davis then shifted gears and said that the really big threat was from Eduardo "Bayo" Perez and his AM/TILT group. Davis insisted that both myself and HKD attended a special briefing at the MI [covert] HQ sited at SW 12th ave, & 1st Street the following day, Sunday [11/17/62] morning.

Present at that briefing were:

Secret Service S/A Ernesto Aragon [latered authored numerous WC docs.];

Fed. Bureau Narcotics A/SAC Nick Navarro [later of TV "Cops" series fame];

Bernardo G. De Torres;

A now retired Miami PD Homicide dick [who later was promoted to Parole Commissioner during the 1970s] Ray Fontana (the cop who Identifieded the corpse of "Gito" Del Valle at the morgue in 1967;

Two JM/WAVE operators, who coming out of retirement, are currently working for Homeland Security, and;

seven others that will remain unidentified until an NARA check is made.

Who was missing?? The Fed. Bur. Narc SAC [Navarro's boss] S/A Gene Marshall.

[2 months later he was set up with a Miami cop and a Dade Co. Deputy Sheriff on a phony drug deal -- just as the WC was shaping up. At that time, Gene was sharing a condo with our lawyer Chuck Ashmann. I found him during late 1966 working on a construction site -- under an alias given to him after a few months at the Fed nut house at Springfield, MO.

Our instructions were to carry our regular sidearms, pick up a govt. suburban, and enter MIA through the Delta-Dash security gate using the password "Lancelot". We were then instructed to be at the airline stairway set up forward [portside] of Air Force One -- in the receiving line.

After adjourning, we discussed serious flaws in this operation: No attendance at the morning roll-call [MIA west end barracks (Intel Section) "corrosion corner"] that would allow ALL of the civvy & uniformed cops and agents to exchange "face-time"; no issuance of bouttoniers for ID purposes, etc. !!

I instructed my team to go unarmed on this detail, and so informed the agents at the Delta-Dash gate. They weren't happy campers on this. "Little Joe" C. Garman disobeyed and carried his Colt .45 Auto. !!

When we saw that the sundecks were bulging with crowds, and that JFK was stopping to make a speech at a makeship platform nearby, we bailed out of the airport "toot-sweet". We observed Frank Fiorini/Sturgis at one side of the platform, and this caused some dismay from two of our folks who had been under him on "Operation-40".

Lt. Carrier, you made vague reference to the fact that you were in the "Army".

Do you have a DD-214? Gots any jump wings, Ranger Tab, or C.I.B.?? or were you a REMF -- "in-the-rear-with-the-gear-troop"??

If you want to pose some numbered paragraph queries rather than snidely-P-wierdf...k rants, then I will attempt to answer any that are not in violation of NDAs, or the 1982 Intel-Identities Act.

What I know comes from "being there" sonny, not from book-reading, and definetly NOT from swallowing disinformation put out by the damage control artists and "Moles".

I didn't ask to be on this forum, but I do see that you are amongst a large group in the membership who have made intense and tedious study of difficult materials -- so lets get off of the juvenile ad-homonym (sp) blatherings, and simply state your case. I then will state mine [with extensive redactions; due to the bare faced fact that: Most is none of your business, and I am not in a tutoring mood.]

Pat Speer: That was a hand gun, not a rifle [.22 cal. Hi-Standard semi-auto pistol w/ suppressor/silencer] that RVK displayed during late 1961.

J. Tim Gratz: Buy a damn tape-recorder, and use a landline. [Florida law permits consensual taping for press work]. I didn't say that Fidel had anything to do with the 2 thermo-nukes buried [a-la Chernobyl] under tons of domed (w/copper mesh) concrete. It was Raul who made references to Fidel's son {"Fidelito"] -- a Soviet trained and expert nuclear physicist -- that an empathetic "shaped-charge" might set off the decaying Tritium triggers used by the Soviets during that era. "Fidelito" convinced his dad to shut down the Chernobyl model nuke reactor [under-construction] sited near Cienfuegos.

The Soviets lost 2 "Yankee-Class" boomers [submarines] transporting the '62 and '65 warheads [onboard fires caused by decaying triggers]. The 5 kiloton fission scuds remained at the Sov-Naval base at Banes, Oriente -- until late 1966. [47 in total] The 2 thermo-nukes were removed from storage at the Bejucal facility [southwest of Habana] when the Gamma, Beta, rads went of the gauges. Bejucal [becausing of anti-EMP/RFE emission shrouding (we term it "Iron-Clad") is now used to beam "white-sound" against our satellite heretofore used by "Marti/RA/RME" entities to broadcast Farsi language "news" to Iran. [The technology and advisors were provided by Belarus via Iran to Cuba two years back.]

The dawn is breaking, and Fort Bragg is waking, so I am hitting the rack toot sweet,

GPH

___________________________________________

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I didn't say that Fidel had anything to do with the 2 thermo-nukes buried [a-la Chernobyl] under tons of domed (w/copper mesh) concrete.

The Soviets lost 2 "Yankee-Class" boomers [submarines] transporting the '62 and '65 warheads [onboard fires caused by decaying triggers]. The 5 kiloton fission scuds remained at the Sov-Naval base at Banes, Oriente -- until late 1966. [47 in total] The 2 thermo-nukes were removed from storage at the Bejucal facility [southwest of Habana] when the Gamma, Beta, rads went of the gauges.

Thanks for clarification of that matter.

[Ron Ecker]

We must add an additional factor to the strong resemblance in the photo of two known CIA agents. Namely the factor that agents of the CIA ("rogue agents" as they're usually called) are among the prime suspects in the assassination.

It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how these Intel & contract agents were set-up -- just WHO do you think would "BURN" all of these "Company & Military figures ?? -- The PTA or the Girls Scouts ??

Wake up and smell the "Disinformation Roses" folks !!

GPH

Sorry, I'm too dense, it is not obvious to me who you think would “burn” Robertson, Conein, and other operatives in Dallas. (Unless your reference to "rocket scientist" is a hint that it was Wernher von Braun, a main culprit in the assassination according to the Turbid Document).

If you mean the CIA, it's generally thought that even if it weren't involved as an agency the CIA would have immediately helped cover up for fear some of its agents were involved, for fear of exposure of the plots against Castro, etc. It doesn't make sense to me that the CIA instead would deliberately set up some of its agents (particularly of the legendary kind like Conein and Robertson, as opposed to deep cover expendables like Oswald) as assassins of the president.

If you believe the GRU was behind the assassination, I don't understand what control the GRU would have over these "Company & Military figures" in order to burn them.

You told Twyman that Hoover was the mastermind of the assassination, working with John Magruder, Harvey, Siragusa and others. Are these the people who were ready to burn Conein, Robertson, et al?

And who was then going to eliminate Conein, Robertson, and any other U.S. intelligence or military patsies before their various trials? How plausible would be the government’s deniability in their systematic extermination, no matter how many Mob-connected nightclub owners were used to rub them out?

Ron

[Pat Speer]

Sorry, I'm too dense, it is not obvious to me who you think would “burn” Robertson, Conein, and other operatives in Dallas. (Unless your reference to "rocket scientist" is a hint that it was Wernher von Braun, a main culprit in the assassination according to the Turbid Document).

If you mean the CIA, it's generally thought that even if it weren't involved as an agency the CIA would have immediately helped cover up for fear some of its agents were involved, for fear of exposure of the plots against Castro, etc. It doesn't make sense to me that the CIA instead would deliberately set up some of its agents (particularly of the legendary kind like Conein and Robertson, as opposed to deep cover expendables like Oswald) as assassins of the president.

If you believe the GRU was behind the assassination, I don't understand what control the GRU would have over these "Company & Military figures" in order to burn them.

You told Twyman that Hoover was the mastermind of the assassination, working with John Magruder, Harvey, Siragusa and others. Are these the people who were ready to burn Conein, Robertson, et al?

And who was then going to eliminate Conein, Robertson, and any other U.S. intelligence or military patsies before their various trials? How plausible would be the government’s deniability in their systematic extermination, no matter how many Mob-connected nightclub owners were used to rub them out?

Ron

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I understood Gerry's comments to mean that it was Russian intelligence, as only the great all-powerful vodka-fueled Russian Boogeymen were capable of such masterful manipulation. Just imagine the powers necessary to manipulate America's best and brightest CIA agents (who all happened to HATE Kennedy) into being witnesses to his assassination! Well, guess who won the cold war, and guess whose all-powerful intelligence service has been revealed to be scarcely more real and dangerous than an Iraqi WMD? It seems to me that Americans, true to their paranoid nature, (after all, we have had it a little TOO easy; the ghosts of Native Americans and former slaves feast on our souls) built the Russians (remember the missile gap?) and their KGB up into a more awesome adversary than they ever really were. People like Helms and Angleton saw Russians in their closets and under their bed.

If Mr. Hemming or Tim or Trento or anyone else can think of an equivalent Russian-fueled violent act involving dozens of people, and the massive deception of the U.S.' best and brightest, within the United States, I might believe them. The truth seems to be, however, that the Russian operatives in the U.S. were simply watching and selling information, and not developing HUGE, wreckless and violent plots to overthrow democracy. Perhaps this was a handshake agreement between Truman and Stalin, or Ike and Khruschev, no matter, but its a matter of historical fact that we didn't plot violent acts against them within the Soviet Union, either. Any book will tell you that the third world was the front lines in the Cold War.

Occam's razor tells us that if there were people who hated Kennedy in Dealey Plaza watching him get killed, the most logical reason would be that they were there because they wanted to watch him get killed. The argument that they would have avoided Dealey because of some fear that they would be recognized and their plan would be discovered is refuted by the simple fact that not one of these men were ever questioned about their being there, and, outside of the half-assed investigations into the identity of umbrella man, and whether Jack Ruby or Joseph Milteer were in any of the photos, no government agency EVER tried to determine the identities of the people in the photos. (Whaa! It's too hard! Why try to figure out who the witnesses were when we can inspect Oswald's pubic hair?)

While Gerry has the advantage over the rest of us of having seen the room while the light was on, that doesn't mean he can't stub his toe once in awhile. I think this is one of those times.

Edited May 17, 2005 by Pat Speer

[Al Carrier]

I see your on Gerry,

How about a hint to discredit this. Two positions for shot origin disruption on the ground that would serve to view high elevation viewpoints to alert of shooter origins in positions on buildings on Houston and Elm. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to disrupt an ambush in the confines as small as DP. What went wrong?

Al

--------------------------------

OK Mr. Lieutenant of the CSI Nightwatch [i have had both your home & City PD E-mail addresses for months thank you] -- You see that I "am on !!" -- as I stated, my AOL connection got dumped and I was never able to log out of this forum yesterday due to the wierd crash on my server, so, as I noticed, (tonight) I was still logged on. I detect in your numerous snide remarks the very same attitude of our famous fantasizing Kazakh Jew, AJ Weberman. What went wrong?? How the hell would I know??!! I have shot low masters at Camp Perry since 1965 [Nat'l Match F/Bedded M-14 w/ iron sights] and missed the "President's 100 Team" by one "V" -- BOO-Hoo !!

Your file shows that you, as a 42 year old "Techie" in a City P.D., are the recipient of two glorious awards from the Iowa State Police Academy: one for "Most Conscientious", and the other "Most Congenial". So where is "Miss Congeniality" when it comes to decent converstion with yours truly??!!

What SOF ramblings are you pissed most about? I have answered directly what queries were posted, and so far none of the interested parties have reacted like some wannabe "rent-a-cop". I hear that Chief Jennings [is it?] thinks highly of your talents -- have you introduced him to any of your spook mentors??

Why would Izqueirdo [and others] be receptive to being placed in a snipers post as security assist for JFK. The same reason that my team was placed in similar circumstances at MIA on Monday afternoon, 18th November 1963. And this was after FBI S/A George Davis [without his partner Paul Schrand] showed up at my riverside [Just Island] cottage on Saturday the 16th. Davis initially stated that MI & SS had firmly determined that one of the Cubans that we had extracted via the USS Oxford [AGTR-1] during the Missile Crisis [one Ismael Santana, known before the extraction to be a Castro D.S.E. agent]

represented a threat to the Prez during the Miami visit. Upon my challenging same [our Info showed that Santana was attending an Intel course at Las Mercedes School, Oriente Province [eastern Cuba] that weekend !!

Davis then shifted gears and said that the really big threat was from Eduardo "Bayo" Perez and his AM/TILT group. Davis insisted that both myself and HKD attended a special briefing at the MI [covert] HQ sited at SW 12th ave, & 1st Street the following day, Sunday [11/17/62] morning.

Present at that briefing were:

Secret Service S/A Ernesto Aragon [latered authored numerous WC docs.];

Fed. Bureau Narcotics A/SAC Nick Navarro [later of TV "Cops" series fame];

Bernardo G. De Torres;

A now retired Miami PD Homicide dick [who later was promoted to Parole Commissioner during the 1970s] Ray Fontana (the cop who Identifieded the corpse of "Gito" Del Valle at the morgue in 1967;

Two JM/WAVE operators, who coming out of retirement, are currently working for Homeland Security, and;

seven others that will remain unidentified until an NARA check is made.

Who was missing?? The Fed. Bur. Narc SAC [Navarro's boss] S/A Gene Marshall.

[2 months later he was set up with a Miami cop and a Dade Co. Deputy Sheriff on a phony drug deal -- just as the WC was shaping up. At that time, Gene was sharing a condo with our lawyer Chuck Ashmann. I found him during late 1966 working on a construction site -- under an alias given to him after a few months at the Fed nut house at Springfield, MO.

Our instructions were to carry our regular sidearms, pick up a govt. suburban, and enter MIA through the Delta-Dash security gate using the password "Lancelot". We were then instructed to be at the airline stairway set up forward [portside] of Air Force One -- in the receiving line.

After adjourning, we discussed serious flaws in this operation: No attendance at the morning roll-call [MIA west end barracks (Intel Section) "corrosion corner"] that would allow ALL of the civvy & uniformed cops and agents to exchange "face-time"; no issuance of bouttoniers for ID purposes, etc. !!

I instructed my team to go unarmed on this detail, and so informed the agents at the Delta-Dash gate. They weren't happy campers on this. "Little Joe" C. Garman disobeyed and carried his Colt .45 Auto. !!

When we saw that the sundecks were bulging with crowds, and that JFK was stopping to make a speech at a makeship platform nearby, we bailed out of the airport "toot-sweet". We observed Frank Fiorini/Sturgis at one side of the platform, and this caused some dismay from two of our folks who had been under him on "Operation-40".

Lt. Carrier, you made vague reference to the fact that you were in the "Army".

Do you have a DD-214? Gots any jump wings, Ranger Tab, or C.I.B.?? or were you a REMF -- "in-the-rear-with-the-gear-troop"??

If you want to pose some numbered paragraph queries rather than snidely-P-wierdf...k rants, then I will attempt to answer any that are not in violation of NDAs, or the 1982 Intel-Identities Act.

What I know comes from "being there" sonny, not from book-reading, and definetly NOT from swallowing disinformation put out by the damage control artists and "Moles".

I didn't ask to be on this forum, but I do see that you are amongst a large group in the membership who have made intense and tedious study of difficult materials -- so lets get off of the juvenile ad-homonym (sp) blatherings, and simply state your case. I then will state mine [with extensive redactions; due to the bare faced fact that: Most is none of your business, and I am not in a tutoring mood.]

Pat Speer: That was a hand gun, not a rifle [.22 cal. Hi-Standard semi-auto pistol w/ suppressor/silencer] that RVK displayed during late 1961.

J. Tim Gratz: Buy a damn tape-recorder, and use a landline. [Florida law permits consensual taping for press work]. I didn't say that Fidel had anything to do with the 2 thermo-nukes buried [a-la Chernobyl] under tons of domed (w/copper mesh) concrete. It was Raul who made references to Fidel's son {"Fidelito"] -- a Soviet trained and expert nuclear physicist -- that an empathetic "shaped-charge" might set off the decaying Tritium triggers used by the Soviets during that era. "Fidelito" convinced his dad to shut down the Chernobyl model nuke reactor [under-construction] sited near Cienfuegos.

The Soviets lost 2 "Yankee-Class" boomers [submarines] transporting the '62 and '65 warheads [onboard fires caused by decaying triggers]. The 5 kiloton fission scuds remained at the Sov-Naval base at Banes, Oriente -- until late 1966. [47 in total] The 2 thermo-nukes were removed from storage at the Bejucal facility [southwest of Habana] when the Gamma, Beta, rads went of the gauges. Bejucal [becausing of anti-EMP/RFE emission shrouding (we term it "Iron-Clad") is now used to beam "white-sound" against our satellite heretofore used by "Marti/RA/RME" entities to broadcast Farsi language "news" to Iran. [The technology and advisors were provided by Belarus via Iran to Cuba two years back.]

The dawn is breaking, and Fort Bragg is waking, so I am hitting the rack toot sweet,

GPH

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Sorry Mr. Hemming,

I have never been tutored by wanna-be's, so I would pass if you were offering. You don't know jack about me and other than to look at my bio, a newspaper archive perhaps and my department's website. There are a couple of people in the research community who knew me or of me in the military. If you can't find out, than you are not worthy of knowing what I did. We are different. You shoot off your mouth and brag about things that you wanted to be. I keep my mouth shut and live with what I have been and try to make amends with what I now do.

Your Miami airport SCENARIO is almost as rediculous as your DP SCENARIO. But that is to be expected.

This is why I lost my CONGENIALITY stutus with you.

End of conversation!!!

Al

[Tim Gratz]

Pat wrote:

If Mr. Hemming or Tim or Trento or anyone else can think of an equivalent Russian-fueled violent act iinvolving dozens of people, and the massive deception of the U.S.' best and brightest, within the United States, I might believe them.

Well, Pat, welcome to my side of the fence. I can use a man of your intelligence and eloquence.

I have previously posted the story of Stephen Bandera, an anti-Communist activist skillfully murdered by a KGB assassin, by a poison dart gun. The murder fooled US intelligence and the case was only solved when the assassin confessed. The assassin had previously killed another person by the same method. Both of these murders were committed, if I recall correctly, in West Germany. In fact, former Wisconsin Congressman Kersten, who represented the Bandera family, wrote JFK a lot warning of possibvlre KGB assassins in the US only a month or so before the assassination.

And then of course there is also Paisley, a KGB mole within the CIA who was a close friend of Yuri Nosenko. He was dispatched in the United States.

And according to a.j. weberman the Russians also probably killed Dag Hammersjkald (spelling by memory only), and, IMO, tried to kill the pope.

Only Hammersjkald was killed in a "third world country".

[Pat Speer]

Tim, I have no doubt that the KGB murdered a few Americans during the cold war. I also suspect they murdered dozens if not hundreds of Eastern Europeans. But what I'm asking about is this: is there any evidence of any Russian plot on U.S. soil which involved not only the murder of a prominent American, but the setting-up of numerous intelligence officers as witnesses and/or suspects. And the answer I'm quite sure is no. So then I go to the next question: is there any evidence that the Russians planned and carried out ANY acts of terrorism within the United States during the cold war, when terrorism is defined as a public act designed to terrify the public? And once again the answer is no. This was just not their M.O. It doesn't mean it didn't happen, but it does mean that if it did happen, it was a complete fluke and not the everyday cold war business-as-usual you seem to think.

The Russians attempting a big conspiracy political assassination within the United States is about the same as Shaquille O'Neal shooting a three-pointer in a close game with twelve seconds on the clock. It's unexpected, beyond their presumed ability, and not worth the risk.

[Tim Gratz]

Well one could argue that if they did they were successful.

Do you draw any inferences from the fake that the KGB faked evidence in the case?

Do you draw any inference from Nosenko's flunking the salient questions on his polygraph?

Do you draw any inference from the meetings between Cubela and Kostikov?

Do you believe that Trento, who has seen Angleton's documents and had extensive conversations with Angleton and others, thought enough about Angleton's theory to risk his reputation publishing it?

Would you agree that Trento due to the foregoing was in a better position to assess Angleton's scenario than any of us who have not had access to those documents?

How do you assess Alexander Haig's statement that he saw a document he was ordered to forget and Haig's perspective that there was likely KGB involvement?

How do you assess the report by Hugn McDonald, a well-respected veteran police officer, that there wasa KGB involvement? Did he risk his reputation merely to make a few bucks?

When Khruschev came to the US in 1959 he was shocked by the performance of the Can-Can when the dancers showed their underwear. How do you think Khruschev, a devoted family man, reacted when he learned of JFK's serial adulteries? No, I withdraw that as a motive. (Hopefully members know I sometimes kid.)

More later. I can find in Trento's book a reference to at least one KGB murder in the US in addition to Paisley's, by the way.

[Shanet Clark]

Well one could argue that if they did they were successful.

Do you draw any inferences from the fake that the KGB faked evidence in the case?

Bethesda and Langley faked the evidence

Do you draw any inference from Nosenko's flunking the salient questions on his polygraph?

Nervous russian with mixed motives

Do you draw any inference from the meetings between Cubela and Kostikov?

Dirty side deal among peers

Do you believe that Trento, who has seen Angleton's documents and had extensive conversations with Angleton and others, thought enough about Angleton's theory to risk his reputation publishing it?

Sure, suckers would fall for it, like him and you

Would you agree that Trento due to the foregoing was in a better position to assess Angleton's scenario than any of us who have not had access to those documents?

No, the real record is destroyed and super classifiedHow do you assess Alexander Haig's statement that he saw a document he was ordered to forget and Haig's perspective that there was likely KGB involvement?

He was lying and pointing away from himself?

How do you assess the report by Hugn McDonald, a well-respected veteran police officer, that there wasa KGB involvement?  Did he risk his reputation merely to make a few bucks?

Its a safe non critical line, which avoids the facts of Dallas and the cover up

When Khruschev came to the US in 1959 he was shocked by the performance of the Can-Can when the dancers showed their underwear.  How do you think Khruschev, a devoted family man, reacted when he learned of JFK's serial adulteries?  No, I withdraw that as a motive.  (Hopefully members know I sometimes kid.)

More later.  I can find in Trento's book a reference to at least one KGB murder in the US in addition to Paisley's, by the way.

THERE IS NO SMOKE an NO FIRE in this approach.

You might as well cite a comic book

ANgleton and Haig, once again

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