Harry Dean: Memoirs

[William Kelly]

I don't know if Harry or anybody can read this, but someone sent me another package of documents and this was among them.

It's a two page letter to the CIA from the head of the American Vets Against Communism who says that the photos of the Mystery Man in Mexico City resembles Harry Dean, who he had met earlier.

I'd like to know if Harry recalls meeting this guy, and if what he says in the letter has any resemblance to the truth?

JFKCountercoup2: Harry Dean in Mexico City?

Hi, Bill

I cannot figure who this person is. Seems like he was kind of sneaky.

He does have some wrong and objectionable short sighted personal opinions.

He is of target in 60 percent of his presentation.

In any case this was taken up by Hoover, I read such a report somewhere

via computer.

Thanks Harry,

I didn't take it that seriously.

BK

JFKcountercoup

[Paul Trejo]

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Given everything I have mentioned above, I would bring everyone's attention to the following facts:

1. There is no record of any kind whatsoever in any FBI HQ or field office file that Harry Dean ever was even considered as an informant much less accepted as one.

2. No official investigation of the JBS was ever opened by the FBI. There was a preliminary inquiry during 1959 and 1960 -- but once it was established that the JBS was an anti-communist organization which did not advocate or participate in criminal or subversive activities, there was no reason to "infiltrate" it.

3. There are no documents of any kind whatsoever concerning payments made to any "informant" within the JBS for expenses of any kind.

4. There are no documents of any kind whatsoever reflecting continuing periodic reports (verbal or written) by a specific "informant" whom the FBI authorized to "infiltrate" the JBS

Since I have acquired numerous FBI files on actual informants it authorized to infiltrate both legitimate and subversive organizations -- and I am, therefore, intimately familiar with the type of data contained in such files -- it is 100% certain that Harry Dean is misrepresenting his "FBI" association in order to inflate his credentials.

Furthermore, Harry Dean is on record stating that former FBI Special Agents Dan Smoot and W. Cleon Skousen were "members" of the Birch Society. But that is a total falsehood. Neither Smoot or Skousen joined the JBS. They did, however, support the JBS and both spoke at JBS functions or wrote for JBS publications.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: ernie1241@aol.com

FBI FILES ON JBS: http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/jbs-1

Ernie, I know this is a late reply, but your doubts are still relevant in the ongoing debates on this Forum.

I would like to reply to your final series of allegations that you call "facts."

1. Just because a given informant was unacknowledged by the FBI is no reason to assume that the FBI is telling all that it knows. For example, our former President Gerald Ford in his own book on the JFK assassination suggested that FBI information is being withheld that Lee Harvey Oswald was at one time an informer for the FBI. One can easily imagine other similar cases.

2. You seem very certain that no official investigation of the JBS was ever opened by the FBI, yet you seem to forget that the JBS was one of the groups the FBI questioned during the riots of 1962 on the Oxford Mississipi campus. General Walker, a well-known and outspoken member of the JBS, was suspect #1, and any of the *thousands* of youths who traveled to Oxford the weekend of the riots was asked for their group affiliations, and any affiliation with General Walker or with the JBS was flagged as "of interest".

3. You presume that the FBI regarded the JBS as simply Anticommunist -- but that's untrue. J. Edgar Hoover specifically forbade any FBI Agent from joining the JBS. (The CIA made the same rule.) This is because the JBS went beyond Anticommunism into the madness of calling FDR a communist, and Truman a communist, and Eisenhower a communist, and of course JFK a communist, and the UN communist, and anybody they didn't like, including Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. -- a communist. Such views remain as mad today as they were then.

4. Threfore, just because one cannot find obvious documents relating to FBI spying on the JBS, that does not prove they don't exist, and therefore your allegation of 100% certainty that they could not exist simply holds no water.

5. As for the claim that Smoot and Skousen weren't members of the JBS, that's a moot point since they were favorite speakers at JBS rallies, they happily made a fortune selling their books to JBS members, and although they may have felt aloof and superior to the average JBS madman, rather, true believer, that does not excuse them from their decades of exploiting JBS members with eyes wide open.

Regards,

--Paul Trejo, MA

Edited April 3, 2012 by Paul Trejo

[Harry J.Dean]

BEFORE IT IS TO LATE...

[Harry J.Dean]

MEMOIRS, of Harry J. Dean...BEFORE IT IS TO LATE!

Call me a spy, a rat, or a US. citzen doing ones

duty. Read MEMOIRS. It is now the 11th hour!

[Harry J.Dean]

The secret papers of Harry Dean, former FBI-CIA agent: JFK

http://www.amazon.com/secret-papers-Harry-former-FBI-CIA/dp/B0006PBVW0/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1332988385&sr=1-1

I recently contacted an Amazon agent re: promoting 'Secret Papers' mainly

that it falsely claims me as the author, of such outright lies. Amazon's

agent said they can do nothing.

So in order to expose W.R. Morris as the Author of this total fabrication

i e; Secret Papers, I here refer to the book Alias Oswald by Morris in

which he used the same picture of me as in Secret Papers.

[Paul Trejo]

At least Ernie Lazar acknowledged that the FBI actually did investigate the John Birch Society in the early 1960's. Other detractors of Harry Dean's actual account have even gone so far as to deny that the FBI ever investigated the JBS.

Unfortunately, Ernie still believes that the FBI was willing to show him everything that they have. Based only on what the FBI actually showed him, he came to this Forum with a high-hand to discredit Harry Dean's factual account.

We should note that Harry Dean's account is not unique among the JFK conspiracy theories. Jack Ruby told Chief Justice Earl Warren personally that General Edwin Walker and the JBS were directly responsible for the JFK assassination and the patsification of Lee Harvey Oswald.

Loran Hall, also, told the same story to Jim Garrison in 1968, agreeing with Harry Dean on many particulars, including the participation of Guy Gabaldon and Lawrence Howard along with Walker and the JBS.

ATF agent Frank Ellsworth, who investigated underground arms sales in 1963, was also inclined to suspect General Walker of complicity in the JFK conspiracy.

So, as I say, at least Ernie acknowledged that the FBI regarded the JBS as suspicious in the early 1960's. J. Edgar Hoover was a staunch Anticommunist, and he sought allies in his cause. But Hoover firmly rejected the JBS as an authentic ally in Anticommunism because the JBS also teaches that FDR was a communist, and that Truman was a communist, and that Eisenhower was a communist, and that Kennedy was a communist.

J. Edgar Hoover went on record to defend Eisenhower of this mega-slander. In my opinion, he should have arrested Robert Welch as a traitor.

The JBS was wide open in its beliefs and its intentions. Most Americans were Anticommunist in the 1960's, so quite a few were fooled by the Anticommunist rhetoric of the JBS. But cooler heads, like J. Edgar Hoover, exposed the JBS for the rightist revolutionaries that they really were. Hoover did have the JBS investigated. Hoover did forbid FBI agents from joining the JBS. (And so did the CIA.)

Yet the JBS continued to operate above ground all these years -- and they still exist today. As we hear from the rhetoric of Sarah Palin and the current crop of Potomac Pretenders, they are still active in Republican politics to this very day.

Finally, please be wary of the revisionist accounts of Harry Dean's memoirs as promulgated by William Morris. Morris got it all wrong.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo

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Edited April 9, 2012 by Paul Trejo

[Paul Trejo]

MEMOIRS, of Harry J. Dean...BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!

Call me a spy, a rat, or a US. citzen doing ones

duty. Read MEMOIRS. It is now the 11th hour!

After reading Harry Dean's original Book/Manuscript earlier this year, the one sticking point I found in my own thinking was the notion that the John Birch Society was closely allied with the Mormon Church of the Latter Day Saints. I had never before heard of such a connection, and I had been observing the U.S. Right-wing rather closely since 1975.

Evidently I had not been observing closely enough. I researched this further after reading Harry Dean's factual account, and I learned something new.

Robert Welch started the John Birch Society in late 1958. (General Edwin Walker joined the JBS in early 1959). The reason that Edwin Walker joined the JBS was because he had a guilty conscience for having led U.S. Troops to use force to racially integrate Little Rock high school in Arkansas in 1957. This bothered General Walker for two reasons: (1) it was a violation of States rights; and (2) it used force in an area that he believed should always be left to free will.

The U.S. President who gave the order to integrate Little Rock High was Dwight D. Eisenhower.

General Walker had already been a fan of General Douglas MacArthur, who had been martyred by President Truman when he dismissed MacArthur from his command in Korea. Walker was also confirmed as a fan of MacArthur when he saw with his own eyes the nature of warfare in Korea which was compromised by United Nations deals on a daily basis at Panmunjom. Walker came to despise the "No Win" war concept.

Back in the USA, after tearing his conscience at Little Rock High, General Walker encountered a book that was written by Robert Welch in 1956, two years before the JBS was founded. This book circulated underground like an electric current. Its title was: The Politician. In this book, Robert Welch tells his readers that President Dwight D. Eisenhower was, in no uncertain terms, a Communist. Welch used over 200 pages of argumentation to prove his point. Major General Edwin A. Walker became convinced that Robert Welch was telling the truth, and he joined the John Birch Society soon after reading that book. (See link below)

The key here is that the John Birch Society begins with a rightist underground publication, The Politician (1956), and the main theme of that book is that Eisenhower was a Communist.

But where did Robert Welch learn all the details for this viewpoint? Here is the fresh information that floored me. Robert Welch developed a personal relationship with Ezra Taft Benson, the 13th President of the Mormon Church of Latter Day Saints.

Those who know the history already know that Ezra Taft Benson also worked for President Eisenhower for both terms as U.S. Secretary of Agriculture. Although loyal to Eisenhower, Benson was also very critical of his policies, especially any concerned with the National Council of Farm Cooperatives, of which he was in charge.

Benson openly opposed Eisenhower's price supports for farmers, which he regarded as socialist; yet Eisenhower never fired him. Benson was an outspoken opponent of communism and socialism, and he supported Robert Welch's movement in every way except becoming a member. He called the JBS "the most effective non-church organization in our fight against creeping socialism and godless Communism."

Some of his books include, Eight Years with President Eisenhower (1958) and Civil Rights: Tool of Communist Deception (1966).

The connection between the LDS and the JBS is as real as rain. It was not invented by Harry Dean. It is actual fact.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo, MA

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P.S. For those who might doubt that Robert Welch actually said this, here is a link that demonstrates my point:

http://www.pet880.com/images/19560101_The_Politician.JPG

http://www.pet880.co...ician_p_267.jpg

Edited May 29, 2012 by Paul Trejo

[Michael Hogan]

Paul, you might find this of interest: https://dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V37N02_49.pdf

The author, Gregory Prince, is an historian of the LDS movement.

MEMOIRS, of Harry J. Dean...BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!

Call me a spy, a rat, or a US. citzen doing ones

duty. Read MEMOIRS. It is now the 11th hour!

After reading Harry Dean's original Book/Manuscript earlier this year, the one sticking point I found in my own thinking was the notion that the John Birch Society was closely allied with the Mormon Church of the Latter Day Saints. I had never before heard of such a connection, and I had been observing the U.S. Right-wing rather closely since 1975.

Evidently I had not been observing closely enough. I researched this further after reading Harry Dean's factual account, and I learned something new.

Robert Welch started the John Birch Society in late 1958. (General Edwin Walker joined the JBS in early 1959). The reason that Edwin Walker joined the JBS was because he had a guilty conscience for having led U.S. Troops to use force to racially integrate Little Rock high school in Arkansas in 1957. This bothered General Walker for two reasons: (1) it was a violation of States rights; and (2) it used force in an area that he believed should always be left to free will.

The U.S. President who gave the order to integrate Little Rock High was Dwight D. Eisenhower.

General Walker had already been a fan of General Douglas MacArthur, who had been martyred by President Truman when he dismissed MacArthur from his command in Korea. Walker was also confirmed as a fan of MacArthur when he saw with his own eyes the nature of warfare in Korea which was compromised by United Nations deals on a daily basis at Panmunjom. Walker came to despise the "No Win" war concept.

Back in the USA, after tearing his conscience at Little Rock High, General Walker encountered a book that was written by Robert Welch in 1956, two years before the JBS was founded. This book circulated underground like an electric current. Its title was: The Politician. In this book, Robert Welch tells his readers that President Dwight D. Eisenhower was, in no uncertain terms, a Communist. Welch used over 200 pages of argumentation to prove his point. Major General Edwin A. Walker became convinced that Robert Welch was telling the truth, and he joined the John Birch Society soon after reading that book. (See link below)

The key here is that the John Birch Society begins with a rightist underground publication, The Politician (1956), and the main theme of that book is that Eisenhower was a Communist.

But where did Robert Welch learn all the details for this viewpoint? Here is the fresh information that floored me. Robert Welch developed a personal relationship with Ezra Taft Benson, the 13th President of the Mormon Church of Latter Day Saints.

Those who know the history already know that Ezra Taft Benson also worked for President Eisenhower for both terms as U.S. Secretary of Agriculture. Although loyal to Eisenhower, Benson was also very critical of his policies, especially any concerned with the National Council of Farm Cooperatives, of which he was in charge.

Benson openly opposed Eisenhower's price supports for farmers, which he regarded as socialist; yet Eisenhower never fired him. Benson was an outspoken opponent of communism and socialism, and he supported Robert Welch's movement in every way except becoming a member. He called the JBS "the most effective non-church organization in our fight against creeping socialism and godless Communism."

Some of his books include, Eight Years with President Eisenhower (1958) and Civil Rights: Tool of Communist Deception (1966).

The connection between the LDS and the JBS is as real as rain. It was not invented by Harry Dean. It is actual fact.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo, MA

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P.S. For those who might doubt that Robert Welch actually said this, here is a link that demonstrates my point:

http://8716212507592149671-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/ernie124102/Politician266-267.JPG?attachauth=ANoY7crdRITh5x4joTVZ9iAVwkpUMIJGQ9SnPTbZjL8i5H9AqS_SF8CQtLGPYsTV0yGDBPoua2gfr_sxD-DqD-3dTOvut8gc5FT43Ms3CDLIfMXb7L093k7cB_ZJE-DCZomsB68rTSyxa6cghbxWP3x6086ht-eOZXEe8fjogVLefuMH2bLGdWuLeTu0bKm2Z2QqiIiZ5ThA1B6vnh5Lc-0Nv4XsLDJYLA%3D%3D&attredirects=0

[Paul Trejo]

Paul, you might find this of interest: https://dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V37N02_49.pdf

The author, Gregory Prince, is an historian of the LDS movement.

MEMOIRS, of Harry J. Dean...BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!

Call me a spy, a rat, or a US. citzen doing ones

duty. Read MEMOIRS. It is now the 11th hour!

Michael, that's a valuable post. The extreme right-wing intrigue that is crystal clear in Joe McCarthy had survived the fall of McCarthyism and was resurrected as the John Birch Society (JBS). Now, with evidence you supply here, the participation of Ezra Taft Benson, a disgruntled Eisenhower employee and also President of the LDS, is documented for history. The relationship between Benson and Robert Welch (founder of JBS) is also well documented. Harry Dean shows a picture of the two men together, for example.

They truly, truly believed that JFK was a communist. It wasn't just some backwoods hokum -- these were wealthy, educated gentlemen of significant respect in their communities.

They also strongly influenced H.L. Hunt and his daily LIFE LINE radio broadcasts. Hunt and both his sons became members of this nonsense. Edwin Walker was close behind.

Here is the ideology that was behind the assassination of JFK, I'm personally convinced, because if somebody truly, truly believed that JFK was a communist traitor in 1963, then it became a patriotic duty to eliminate him. That's logically obvious.

Thanks for the substantive confirmation, Michael.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo

Edited April 13, 2012 by Paul Trejo

[Paul Trejo]

Harry Dean's statement about the JFK assassination is the most most direct witness that I know of by any living witness.

By 1962, Harry Dean had successfully completed a mission for the FBI as an undercover agent investigating and reporting on Fidel Castro in Cuba. Now, in 1963, Harry Dean was on a mission for the FBI as an undercover agent investigating and reporting on the John Birch Society in Southern California. Here's how I read Harry Dean's witness:

(1) Some day in September, 1963 (Harry does not remember the exact day) in Southern California, Harry Dean attended a John Birch Society meeting along with Cuban Exile advocates Loran Hall and Lawrence Howard, former Marine hero Guy Gabaldon, Congressman John Rousselot, David Robbins, Eugene Bradley and former Major General Edwin A. Walker (resigned).

(2) In that meeting a great deal of money changed hands, from John Rousselot to Guy Gabaldon.

(3) Rousselot, the Southern California leader of the John Birch Society, was able to collect large amounts of money for secret political projects.

(4) Guy Gabaldon was selected as the leader of this current project. Gabaldon was originally from Southern California, but now he had his business offices in Mexico City. He had traveled north for this meeting. Gabaldon collected a lot of money for a special political project.

(5) Loran Hall (who virtually worshipped Guy Gabaldon) and Larry Howard (who always tagged along with Loran Hall) were selected to be Guy Gabaldon's foot soldiers.

(6) The special project was the assassination of JFK.

(7) At this particular meeting, the patsy for the plot was identified as Lee Harvey Oswald.

(8) Oswald was selected because he was a Communist who was easily manipulated.

(9) At this meeting evidence was produced that Oswald was a regional leader of his own FPCC organization in New Orleans, that his picture was in the papers to this effect, and radio recordings and TV recordings demonstrated clearly that Oswald was supporting Communism with every move he made.

(10) At the same time, the co-plotters in New Orleans had a firm control on Oswald, and could place him anywhere they liked, at any time they liked. General Walker was in continual contact with the co-plotters from Dallas. Oswald was completely under their control (either by blackmail or money, or both, or some other means).

(11) Guy Gabaldon collected funds in that meeting, to distribute partly to Loran Hall, partly to Lawrence Howard, and partly for Lee Harvey Oswald.

(12) Loran and Lawrence accompanied (or closely followed) Lee Harvey Oswald to Mexico. Mexico was the location in which Guy Gabaldon would deliver cash to Lee Harvey Oswald.

This is the extent of Harry's memoirs so far. (Harry, please correct me if I am substantially mistaken about one or more points above).

Although Harry reported all this to the FBI at the time, the FBI continues to deny any knowledge of Harry's 1963 reports. Also, since the time Harry first exposed this to the whole world (on the Tomorrow Show with Tom Snyder) he has been confronted with a wall of skepticism.

To explore this avenue of research more thoroughly, I think some patience is required on the part of researchers.

I have already contacted David Robbins and have confirmed parts of Harry's account: namely, that the Southern California John Birch Society definitely was led by John Rousselot, and Guy Gabaldon was certainly a frequent visitor, and Loran Hall was also a visitor, and so was Eugene Bradley. Robbins says he barely remembers Harry Dean. As we should expect, he denies any role in any plot to kill JFK. Aside from the critical meeting in question, most of the elements of Harry's account were confirmed by Robbins.

In my opinion, we should plead with Harry Dean to "develop the negatives" of his memories of that day. Quiet meditation and contemplation might be used to recollect the exact date and time -- which I believe will be useful.

Also, we should remember that Loran Hall told Jim Garrison many of these same events and named many of these same names in 1968 (which was after Harry Dean first began to report this, as I recall). So we have an independent record to begin verification.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo

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Edited April 24, 2012 by Paul Trejo

[Harry J.Dean]

Yes, these are some of the facts as related above. If interested I will send a copy of the manuscript/book CROSSTRAILS

on request to interested researchers re: more details in this urgent case.

[Paul Trejo]

Yes, these are some of the facts as related above. If interested I will send a copy of the manuscript/book CROSSTRAILS

on request to interested researchers re: more details in this urgent case.

Dear Forum members,

If you take advantage of Harry Dean's generous offer, please consider covering his expenses for reproducing and mailing his rather large manuscript. I estimate - at the very cheapest - $5 for copying/binding and another $5 for postage.

By all means order his manuscript, but please spare his wallet.

Thanks,

--Paul Trejo, MA

[John Dolva]

I live in OZ. What's the weight and dimensions and from where ( US good enough ) ?

[Paul Trejo]

I live in OZ. What's the weight and dimensions and from where ( US good enough ) ?

John, Harry's manuscript is 68 pages, printed on both sides, 8.5" x 11", with a plastic binding.

The package weighs 11.5 ounces and is sent from Southern California.

I'm only estimating his cost at US$10 total.

--Paul

[Paul Trejo]

Less than two weeks ago, when visiting my parents in Southern California, I had the pleasant fortune of meeting Harry Dean in person for the first time.

We spoke over coffee and fried squash for a couple of hours, and I obtained fresh insights into the biography of this interesting eye witness to history.

For one thing, Harry was a child of Canada immediately before World War Two, and it was known in his neighborhood that his father was a citizen of the USA. Also, the rise of hostilities between the UK and Germany removed the Boy Scouts from Harry's horizon, and replaced them with early military training in preparation for World War Two in service to the UK.

At the same time, British snobbery took its toll as the second-class role of USA citizens (from the "Colonies") removed any semblance of equality from the Dean family. When the war was over, Harry Dean and his brothers chose to assert their USA citizenship and moved to the states around the Great Lakes.

Here is where Harry first came into contact with the Castro cause. It was the late 1950's, and like Gerry Patrick Hemming, Frank Sturgis, David Ferrie and many other young Americans, Harry Dean chose to oppose the tyranny of Batista and support the Castro revolution. Harry got in deeper than he expected, and was soon drafted as an officer of the FPCC. When Castro finally showed his Red colors and subjected some of his American supporters to firing squads, Harry Dean decided to support the FBI.

In the course of this unplanned, double-agent intrigue, Harry barely escaped the firing squad himself. Yet he was also able to save some other Americans from that sad fate.

Finally out of the Cuban underground for good, back in the States and squarely in the camp of the FBI and conservatives in the early 1960's, Harry was accepted into the opposite extreme -- the John Birch Society and the Minutemen in California.

It was in the context of this extreme rightist environment (which I personally verified with additional interviews of people involved in California) that Harry made his most alarming eye witness discovery, which should have a decisive impact for all researchers in the JFK assassination. Harry attended a secret John Birch Society meeting in mid-September, 1963, in which only the hard-core were invited. In that meeting Harry personally encountered five key people: ex-General Edwin Walker, Congressman John Rousselot, WW2 hero Guy Gabaldon, Loran Hall and Larry Howard.

The upshot of that meeting was that Walker announced that a Communist, Lee Harvey Oswald, had been selected to be the fall-guy of a plan to assassinate JFK in Dallas. Harry witnessed as Congressman Rousselot gave Guy Gabaldon a suitcase full of money to pursue his role in the plan. Hall and Howard would work for Gabaldon (their hero). Gabaldon had an office in Mexico City, where their meeting with Oswald was planned.

What Harry told me in Southern California earlier this month -- which is not in his manuscript/book -- is that he was a member of the Minutemen. His realistic and convincing anecdotes about this period suggest to me an underexplored aspect about his movements in the extreme rightwing in 1963.

I currently believe that without his membership in the Minutemen, Harry probably would have been excluded from this secret meeting with Walker, Rousselot, Gabaldon, Hall and Howard. My personal intuition tells me that all five of these men were also members of the Minutemen.

Walker was a leader in the Minutemen organization (like his friend, Guy Banister). Loran Hall and Larry Howard were accustomed to making paramilitary raids on Cuba on a regular basis -- these were the sort of people that Minutemen looked up to; with whom they sought to participate in trainings at Lake Pontchartrain, No Name Keys and so on.

The controversial meeting that Harry Dean has consistently reported for decades comes into sharper focus when his intensive relationships in the extreme rightist organizations in California are figured into the equations.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo

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Edited October 23, 2012 by Paul Trejo