Harry Dean: Memoirs

[Harry J.Dean]

Re; The John Birch Society.

Not unlike Castro's statement{s} to his Revolutionary Army not long after it's January I, 1959 success,

" The 26th of July Movement must Wither Away and become a political government"  {of Cuba}.

The John Birch Society did also Wither Away and became a political government  {of the U.S. after 1963}.   Harry

So succinct... yet, so gargantuan in it's implications.             Yo, Harry...

Defending America... we've muffed it good...

I think I've heard BOTH shoes drop - now, the actual appendages are falling...

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Hi, JL

In understanding the aims advocated by Robert Welch, leader of The John Birch Society, and his 'backers', their revolutionary plans are, and have been, playing

out beginning in 1964. in a step-by-step gradualism, to become extremely 'overt'

moreso in the the present so-called neo-con administration. Welch had named

these subversive plans the 'New Americanists' order.

Harry

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[Bernice Moore]

Harry Dean's CD is available from Rich , JFK Research....in the US...as well as to anyone in any other country.. for a total cost of $5.00.....as most people on here are already aware...This is a very minimal cost...and goes right back into supporting research...

It is well worth this small cost...

Thanks..B

http://www.jfkresearch.com/

[Harry J.Dean]

Harry Dean's CD is available from Rich , JFK Research....in the US...as well as to anyone in any other country.. for a total cost of $5.00.....as most people on here are already aware...This is a very minimal cost...and goes right back into supporting research...

It is well worth this small cost...

Thanks..B

http://www.jfkresearch.com/

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Hi, Bernice

Sadly the CD and some others have not been available for sometime.Rich dropped about 5 various CDs. But thanks for your kind help though. I always

follow your posts. Later.

Harry

[Chris Cox]

interesting thread. Always interested in your posts. Harry, I find some of this stuff more than a little mindboggling...you make JBS/LDS connection, which I know nothing about but I'm looking at some of the McCarthy stuff and find some interesting political details that came out of that era, some of the elders here might remember.

Of course this has been discussed here before but I'll return to it. Seems there was a deep split in politics at that time, no secret, but if I understand correctly, emerging was a new liberalism (for lack of correct term) out of this you have Rauh (Smith Act and unions) the Dems then you have the right wing JBS the Young Republicans or whatnot rooting for the witchunt out of that the emergence of Nixon and Hiss case, Reagan and Hllywood blacklist, real reactionary stuff. It was like "pick a side." Both men would go down in history but that's another story. Even US mil (Army?) took bit of bashing in McCarthy hearings,significantly, it was that that brought him down.

Cuba comes along and the State Dept is accused by the rightish folk as being the prime force behind helping Castro, Weicha accused pink in the Senate investigation of 1959, as was Matthews who first covered emerging revolution. The military at embassy in Cuba in 1959 and prior to rev. seems up to snuff on what's going on even before Jan 1959.

Hoover comes in here of course, but I wonder since you mentioned the cryptic (Marrs?) idea about society within society, I wonder since I've come across them in my personal search, the Masons. Without sounding too "out there" have you come across an element of this group with elements of JBS or LDS?

[Harry J.Dean]

interesting thread.  Always interested in your posts.  Harry, I find some of this stuff more than a little mindboggling...you make JBS/LDS connection, which I know nothing about but I'm looking at some of the McCarthy stuff and find some interesting political details that came out of that era, some of the elders here might remember.

Of course this has been discussed here before but I'll return to it.  Seems there was a deep split in politics at that time, no secret, but if I understand correctly, emerging was a new liberalism (for lack of correct term) out of this you have Rauh (Smith Act and unions) the Dems then you have the right wing JBS the Young Republicans or whatnot rooting for the witchunt out of that the emergence of Nixon and Hiss case, Reagan and Hllywood blacklist, real reactionary stuff.  It was like "pick a side." Both men would go down in history but that's another story. Even US mil (Army?) took bit of bashing in McCarthy hearings,significantly, it was that that brought him down.

Cuba comes along and the State Dept is accused by the rightish folk as being the prime force behind helping Castro, Weicha  accused pink in the Senate investigation of 1959, as was Matthews who first covered emerging revolution.  The military at embassy in Cuba in 1959 and prior to rev. seems up to snuff on what's going on even before Jan 1959.

Hoover comes in here of course, but I wonder since you mentioned the cryptic (Marrs?) idea  about society within society, I wonder since I've come across them in my personal search, the Masons.  Without sounding too "out there" have you come across an element of this group with elements of JBS or LDS?

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Hi, Chris

That group as such, cannot be specifically identified by me as being in a

leadership position with LDS/JBS.

How are you doing?. Always great to hear from you.

Harry

[Chris Cox]

Dazed and confused, Harry (wink) Back to Cuba, you were there I was there, Gerry, Tosh etal. Americans in midst of rev sponsored in part by US and sinking fast. Turner book if memory serves, has FC swimming (colorful story if only rumor) to TX to pick up money from Prio for the Granma expedition. Tosh has M26 arms pact coming out of MX and Second Front (Escalante's book and some here stateside claim) created as oppositional small hedge/window of opportunity that closed as Castro made his way to Havana-- the faithful masses making it clearer an opposition was in trouble. So, as I asked Gerry, why not then, why wait for the debacle of BOP to convince US all was lost? Was it, to use hackneyed "a vast RW conspiracy" born out of the red hunt , that surrounded the operation then handed off to JFK as payback? A sort of Nixon parting gift: "Let's see how the Kennedy bros. screw this up?" What was the word in your circles that the rev. as we saw it, was in trouble? When BOP happened were you surprised at the outcome? Some see the "whole BOP thing" as indicative of one thing, but I'm wondering if Nixon was being haunted, not fishing at all, just caught in his own net.

another quick question: did you ever testify for any congressional hearings? When and which? Best always.

[Harry J.Dean]

Dazed and confused, Harry (wink)  Back to Cuba, you were there I was there, Gerry, Tosh etal. Americans in midst of rev sponsored in part by US and sinking fast.  Turner book if memory serves, has FC swimming (colorful story if only rumor) to TX to pick up money from Prio for the Granma expedition.  Tosh has M26 arms pact coming out of MX and Second Front (Escalante's book and some here stateside claim) created as oppositional small hedge/window of opportunity that closed as Castro made his way to Havana-- the faithful masses making it clearer an opposition was in trouble.  So, as I asked Gerry, why not then, why wait for the debacle of BOP to convince US all was lost?  Was it, to use hackneyed "a vast RW conspiracy" born out of the red hunt , that surrounded the operation then handed off to JFK as payback?  A sort of Nixon parting gift: "Let's see how the Kennedy bros. screw this up?"  What was the word in your circles that the rev. as we saw it, was in trouble?  When BOP happened were you surprised at the outcome?  Some see the "whole BOP thing" as indicative of one thing, but I'm wondering if Nixon was being haunted, not fishing at all, just caught in his own net.

another quick question:  did you ever testify for any congressional hearings? When and which?  Best always.

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Hi, Chris

I never was called to testify in any hearings, several of their investigators contacted me, and I was in contact with others and fed them info. In 1961

hearings were held re: FPCC while I was secretary of that Ist Chicago group

I was not called because I was at that time informing FBI on FPCC and other

pro-Castro activities the bureau arranged that I not be called even though

my name appeared in hearings reports with other officers.

RE; Bay Of Pigs, every pro-Castro agent was scrambling to get info. on

when to expect the invsion they knew was in the works, at that time I thought

the U.S. would naturally defeat Castro.

The Revolution was first in trouble because Castro resisted,and would not bow to

U.S. attemps to control him on their terms.

Harry

[Chris Cox]

Thanks Harry:

You wrote: "hearings were held re: FPCC while I was secretary of that Ist Chicago group

I was not called because I was at that time informing FBI on FPCC and other

pro-Castro activities the bureau arranged that I not be called even though

my name appeared in hearings reports with other officers."

RE: above,

which hearings are you referring to? What document/hearing had your name but not testimony? How did FBI opt you out? via a letter, FBI memo, other document? did FBI have power to exempt informants from testifying? If I have it right, you were infiltrating FPCC in Chicago(this was bona fide group of card carrying Communists?) You became secretary because FBI placed you there and protected you? What were the "other

pro-Castro activities the bureau arranged" ? Who were the investigators that contacted you to testify?

When US didn't defeat Castro what did you think happened at the time, not hindsight? What was your (personally) indication that Castro wouldn't bend following revolution? When did you see this was happening and were you in Cuba at time?

Thanks for your input as always

[Harry J.Dean]

Thanks Harry:

You wrote: "hearings were held re: FPCC while I was secretary of that Ist Chicago group

I was not called because I was at that time informing FBI on FPCC and other

pro-Castro activities the bureau arranged that I not be called even though

my name appeared in hearings reports with other officers."

RE: above,

which hearings are you referring to?  What document/hearing had your name but not testimony? How did FBI opt you out? via a letter, FBI memo, other document? did FBI have power to exempt informants from testifying?  If I have it right, you were infiltrating FPCC in Chicago(this was bona fide group of card carrying Communists?) You became secretary because FBI placed you there and protected you?  What were the "other

pro-Castro activities the bureau arranged" ?  Who were the investigators that contacted you to testify?

When US didn't defeat Castro what did you think happened at the time, not hindsight?  What was your (personally) indication that Castro wouldn't bend following revolution?  When did you see this was happening and were you in Cuba at time?

Thanks for your input as always

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Hi, Chris

Re; hearings, titled,

CASTRO'S NETWORK IN THE UNITED STATES

{ Fair Play For Cuba Committee}

Subcommitte To Investigate The Administration Of The

Internal Security Act And Other Internal Security Laws

of the

Committee On The Judiciary

United States Senate

{Eighty-Eighth Congress}

First Session

U.S. Government Printing Office

Washington :1963

July 13 and 14 1961

Yes the FBI had the power to exempt in cooperation with Senate hearings, in protecting sources.

Yes, the Ist Chicago chapter of FPCC was organized by Communist Party members. They led and controlled all other chapters there. They later did allow

SWP {Socialist Worker's Party] members to organize sub chapters. It should

be remembered that a great number of FPCC people were simply ordinary

citizens, and those of Castro's 26th Of July Movement Cubans,also other persons

that sincerely sympathized with the Cuban Revolution.

I was already involved with Castro's 26th Of July Movement when word came

from Havana {Castro} for us to enlist in this new FPCC organization, as it was

helping the Revolution. During these events I was turned to gathering info. for

Intelligence on both organizations.

My thoughts at the time re; CIA backed invasion force having been defeated were

" this is hard to believe " yet I knew that the entire plan had been shot down

long before by Raul Roa before the United Nations as he described there in

detail what was going to take place. Also every Castro agent in the U.S. was in

action to gain any info. on When it was going to happen. The only real secret

was where the invasion would hit Cuba?. Also Castro had all Cuba on round the clock alert, waiting.

Re; your question.The above paragraph is what I knew happened at that time.

Why did not Castro bend to the will of U.S. Because U.S. offers were placing

him in a tag-along position. He was the boss, the U.S. intended to be his boss.

No, I was in the U.S. when first the air attacks on Cuba , then the invasion of Cuba took place.

Harry

[Chris Cox]

Thank you for your prompt reply, Harry. Your answers are very helpful to my research and understanding the constraints.

One thing that glares from your narrative is: "Yes the FBI had the power to exempt in cooperation with Senate hearings, in protecting sources."

Basis of facts for my research begin with FBI files, heavily redacted. FBI had as much power to obfuscate as create a genuine record of something that is essentially hearsay--the report of the informant to SACs. Sorry to sound confusing. Example: before my father did something he got in FBI car or met in a park or office and told FBI (CIA, Customs, Mil attaches etal.) what was going down--a man in street, informant account. FBI says "thank you very much" and creates record for distribution to relevent branches of USG. No arrest is made and FBI stays up to snuff on nitty gritty.

Also, isn't it interesting and very relevent to current events about protecting deep sources? A powerful tool.

Begs question if hearings are for the airing of facts to form a conclusion and those facts are closely-held because of security issues from law enforcement body then the power of that body is part of problem. Deniability (Nat. Security?) protection and giving FBI "filter power" (you catch my drift?) IOWs why not let Harry tell directly what Harry knows in executive session--this immunity was granted in Iran Contra testimonies for example. In the end all this actually works against the construction of the hearings in first place. This is precisely why we find ourselves in this historical predicament.

Another quick question, were you paid for this work? How? Feel free to email.

[Harry J.Dean]

Thank you for your prompt reply, Harry.  Your answers are very helpful to my research and understanding the constraints.

One thing that glares from your narrative is: "Yes the FBI had the power to exempt in cooperation with Senate hearings, in protecting sources." 

Basis of facts for my research begin with FBI files, heavily redacted.  FBI had as much power to obfuscate as create a genuine record of something that is essentially hearsay--the report of the informant to SACs.  Sorry to sound confusing. Example:  before my father did something he got in FBI car or met in a park or office and told FBI (CIA, Customs, Mil attaches etal.) what was going down--a man in street, informant account.  FBI says "thank you very much" and creates record for distribution to relevent branches of USG.  No arrest is made and FBI stays up to snuff on nitty gritty.

Also, isn't it interesting and very relevent to current events about protecting deep sources? A powerful tool. 

Begs question if hearings are for the airing of facts to form a conclusion and those facts are closely-held  because of security issues from law enforcement body then the power of that body is part of problem.  Deniability (Nat. Security?) protection and giving FBI "filter power" (you catch my drift?) IOWs why not let Harry tell directly what Harry knows in executive session--this immunity was granted in Iran Contra testimonies for example.  In the end all this actually works against the construction of the hearings in first place.  This is precisely why we find ourselves in this historical predicament.

Another quick question, were you paid for this work?  How?  Feel free to email.

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Hi, Chris

It was not so much the three hour Havana horror {threats and questioning by

G2/DGI} as it was Castro's executions of many fellow revolutionaries even before

that episode. These, and other 'serious considerations' finally caused my change of

heart and mind. Even my fellow Castro, Cuban 26th Of July Movement members refused to believe that Castro would actually execute William Morgan {hero of the

Revolution} He did, and 'they' accepted it without question.

It was while yet remaing within the pro-Castro camp that I was betraying them to

U.S. Intelligence, it was sad to turn from what I once considered a great humanitarian cause, but there are no regrets.

What and how was I paid for reporting to U.S. Intelligence. Expenses . Wisely or not, I had joined this new patriotic cause.

Harry

[Bernice Moore]

Harry Dean's CD is available from Rich , JFK Research....in the US...as well as to anyone in any other country.. for a total cost of $5.00.....as most people on here are already aware...This is a very minimal cost...and goes right back into supporting research...

It is well worth this small cost...

Thanks..B

http://www.jfkresearch.com/

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Hi, Bernice

Sadly the CD and some others have not been available for sometime.Rich dropped about 5 various CDs. But thanks for your kind help though. I always

follow your posts. Later.

Harry

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Correct Harry, sorry to say....your's and others are no longer available.

That is a loss, as they contained so much well researched information...and

truth, I am pleased that I do have them...and the minimal cost of $5.00.

Where some other sites charge as much as,at times $25.00 and up..

but they are trying to pass the information along, they say..

and they were made available for years...just to cover the cost and postage...

Our loss..I must have missed the notification when this came about.....

But he still offers much serious research and information..

Thanks, carry on carrying on , a most interesting thread you have going...though

your information has always been...

Regards B..

Edited August 29, 2005 by Bernice Moore

[Pat Speer]

Ezra Taft Benson, president of the LDS Church, was in the forefront of attacks on former President Eisenhower that branded 'Ike' a conscious agent of communism, along with all others of the so-called conservative movement, and readily led the way in calling President Kennedy and U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren ' comsymps ', communist sympathizers!

Through it's revolutionary JBS front, the LDS Church dumped millions of it's yearly billions into subverting operations and brilliantly devised, twisted and firey propaganda causing a national foreboding and fear that the U.S. government might actually be under communist influence and direction.

These, and their supporters, who wield this stolen power, expect to continue for hundreds of years in control of the present system now so wrongly titled Republican and conservative {and in the future by any other name}.

Their guilty leadership, by stealth, with blood stained hands, reached out and picked the overripe fruit of all constitutional government power and control. Wherein all other whites, colors and nations are now and forever 'second place subordinates ' in all present and future schemes. These are to serve the arrogant LDS/JBS [plan for a world wide, totally materialistic, Church-State for the eternal comfort of this caucasic beast and it's political image!

They have failed to silence truth. They, their dupes and lackeys, cannot forever stifle justice, even though it be buried under the disaster of their ominous presence, or hidden by these masters of twisted definitions!

Harry J. Dean, 1990

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Harry, I recently came across a book by Mr. Benson and have sought to learn more about him. Do you have evidence he really said those things about Ike? He was Ike's Sec of Agriculture and seems to have played it both ways, supporting the JBS but never joining in an effort to distance himself from Welch's accusations of Ike. If the LDS/JBS nexus was behind the plot against JFK, he certainly would seem to have been involved. I believe he ran for Pres. in 68 with Strom Thurmond as VP, which reveals his slant on civil rights. Imagine the difficulty your average racist would have in 68 in deciding between Wallace/LeMay and Benson/Thurmond. Anyhow, anything more about Benson would be appreciated.

[Harry J.Dean]

Ezra Taft Benson, president of the LDS Church, was in the forefront of attacks on former President Eisenhower that branded 'Ike' a conscious agent of communism, along with all others of the so-called conservative movement, and readily led the way in calling President Kennedy and U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren ' comsymps ', communist sympathizers!

Through it's revolutionary JBS front, the LDS Church dumped millions of it's yearly billions into subverting operations and brilliantly devised, twisted and firey propaganda causing a national foreboding and fear that the U.S. government might actually be under communist influence and direction.

These, and their supporters, who wield this stolen power, expect to continue for hundreds of years in control of the present system now so wrongly titled Republican and conservative {and in the future by any other name}.

Their guilty leadership, by stealth, with blood stained hands, reached out and picked the overripe fruit of all constitutional government power and control. Wherein all other whites, colors and nations are now and forever 'second place subordinates ' in all present and future schemes. These are to serve the arrogant LDS/JBS [plan for a world wide, totally materialistic, Church-State for the eternal comfort of this caucasic beast and it's political image!

They have failed to silence truth. They, their dupes and lackeys, cannot forever stifle justice, even though it be buried under the disaster of their ominous presence, or hidden by these masters of twisted definitions!

Harry J. Dean, 1990

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Harry, I recently came across a book by Mr. Benson and have sought to learn more about him. Do you have evidence he really said those things about Ike? He was Ike's Sec of Agriculture and seems to have played it both ways, supporting the JBS but never joining in an effort to distance himself from Welch's accusations of Ike. If the LDS/JBS nexus was behind the plot against JFK, he certainly would seem to have been involved. I believe he ran for Pres. in 68 with Strom Thurmond as VP, which reveals his slant on civil rights. Imagine the difficulty your average racist would have in 68 in deciding between Wallace/LeMay and Benson/Thurmond. Anyhow, anything more about Benson would be appreciated.

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Hi, Pat

To paraphrase....A majority of JBS members used this standard reply: "Oh, I am not a member of The John Birch Society, but I do agree with it's ideas".

Reed Benson the son of Ezra was Utah State coordinator for JBS. Former FBI

agent Dan Smoot, and former Mayor of Salt Lake City W. Cleon Skousen were also

JBS members. It is doubtful they ever publically admitted to JBS membership, we all knew they were 'leading', no-nonsence JBS/LDS members. Ezra, in order to take the JBS taint off the church was sent on a mission to Europe.

It was at {Salt Lake, One Temple Square} the birthplace of "pseudo-{ phony}conservativism", New Americanist-ism, and it's political creation The John Birch Society began as a "combination". {Research} will expose individual LDS/JBS types that guide every branch of U.S. Government in 'the plan' suitable to LDS aims in remaking the world. These are, the Society within Society.

Harry

[Pat Speer]

Harry, I have a 1959 edition of The Blue Book, the JBS bible. In this edition Welch discusses the upcoming 1960 election, and begrdudgingly endorses Nixon, claiming he would be better than "Walter Reuther, or even Reuther's stooge, Jack Kennedy." Walter Reuther died in a plane crash in the late nineteen sixties. Do you have any knowledge or suspicions of JBS involvement in his death? Did the same men who talked of killing Kennedy talk of killing Reuther?