Operation Northwoods

[James Richards]

And was Audrey Hepburn working for Lemnitzer as his control agent? (Pat Speer)

I don't think she was, Pat. Maybe Lemnitzer as a part of 'Northwoods' had planned to blow up Audrey Hepburn and to blame it on Castro.

And, Mark. I will send some more Lemnitzer images via email.

James

[Guest Stephen Turner]

Mark, James, Ron.

I dont believe Lemnitzer was the "Brains" of the op, but he was well placed to provide the "Muscle"Military sharpshooters with well calibrated, non Italian rifles.

[Mark Stapleton]

James,

Thanks for the images. I've said it before, but what a collection.

Steve,

You might be right about Lemnitzer, although without knowing much about the man it's hard to accuse (or exonerate) him of anything. I'd be interested to know who his friends and associates were outside of the military. Call me suspicious, but the circumstances of his departure and his involvement in Operation Northwoods make him a "person of interest".

[Guest Stephen Turner]

Just thinking out aloud,some more disturbing events within the time frame.

Jan 17th 1961,Eisenhower warns America of the dangers posed by the "Military-Industrial complex."

April 1961, Maj Gen Edwin Walker is fired for indoctrinating troops in Germany with JBS propoganda.

July 1961, The Fulbright memorandum, Fulbright reports that private organisations ( particulaly the H Smith Richardson Foundation, see Frank Barnett.) were prepairing right wing propoganda, that was then distributed by the Military.

April 1962 Gen Walker says " I was a scape-goat for an unwritten policy of collaboration, & collusion with the int Communist conspiracy."

June 1962, Because of persistant rumours the FPRI Director, Robert Strausz Hupe publically denies that they were helping to organise a Military coup.

Strange days indeed mama, most perculiar......

Edited July 15, 2005 by Stephen Turner

[Guest Stephen Turner]

Ive come accross some information that indicates Lemnitzer was forced to testify before a Senate Foreign Affairs Committee concerning his knowledge of Gen Walkers right wing activities. Two problems, 1, It gives no indication when this took place. 2, It does not go into detail about what that knowledge was.

Can anyone help with this information? Thanks, Steve.

[Guest Stephen Turner]

Some more on Gen Lemnitzer.

"Quote The JCS at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Gen Lyman L Lemnitzer, who with the signed plans in hand, made a pitch to Mcnamara on March 13 1962. Recommending Northwoods be run by the Military. After rejection, he ordered all JCS dos relating to the BOP destroyed." James Bamford, Body of secrets.

Lemnitzer's career had some interesting moments.

- Directed negotiations to turn Italy against Germany, 1943.

- Operation Sunrise with Allen Dulles in Ascona Switzerland, 1944, Dulles had represented U S companies doing business with the Nazi's in the 30's and early 40's.( IBM, Standard oil etc.)

- Participated in the creation of the NATO " Stay-behind" network, turning ex Nazi agents into spies against the USSR. And in the exfiltration of of Nazi human rights criminals to Latin America. 1950's.

- Subject of Senate inquiry, AS A POSSIBLE PARTICIPANT IN THE WALKER PLOT. ( indoctrination of Army personel with JBS, KKK propoganda) more on this later.

- Lemnitzer is a specialist in covert ops.

-Brig Gen William H Craig, Lemnitzers covert actions officer was CIA, though and through, he was in charge of the Cuba project (operation Mongoose) answerable only to Chief Brig Gen, Edward Lansdale.

Edited August 4, 2005 by Stephen Turner

[Guest Stephen Turner]

Ih 1975, president Ford appoints Lemnitzer to the Rockerfeller commission,the commission specifically looked into allegations that E Howard Hunt, & Frank Sturgis were CIA agents and were present in Dallas at the time of the assassination. So Ford (Lets move that back wound a little bit!) gets Lemnitzer (northwoods, Career Kennedy hater) to whitewash Sturgis (cuban exile, terrorist).

Oh the irony

[Guest Stephen Turner]

Does anyone have any information on just how "Tight" Lemnitzer, & Walker were. The Senate committee investigating Walkers attempts to indoctrinate his troops with far right wing propoganda, exonorated Lemnitzer, for lack of evidence. But there must have been a close connection to have warrented examination in the first place. Thanks, Steve.

[Pat Speer]

Ih 1975, president Ford appoints Lemnitzer to the Rockerfeller commission,the commission specifically looked into allegations that E Howard Hunt, & Frank Sturgis were CIA agents and were present in Dallas at the time of the assassination. So Ford (Lets move that back wound a little bit!) gets Lemnitzer (northwoods, Career Kennedy hater) to whitewash Sturgis (cuban exile, terrorist).

Oh the irony

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And you mustn't forget Shanet's boy, Douglas Dillon, who was also aboard the Rockefeller Whitewash express.

[Mark Knight]

And Pat, since you brought up the name of Mr. Dillon...and the highly esteemed [or most often, "highly steamed"] Mr. Gratz is nowhere around to register his most righteous indignation....

No. I simply can't do it.

But let the record show that, in Mr. Gratz's absence, I attempted to play the role of Mr. Gratz and make this look like "business as usual" here at the Forum.

I just couldn't do it with a straight face.

[Guest Stephen Turner]

Ih 1975, president Ford appoints Lemnitzer to the Rockerfeller commission,the commission specifically looked into allegations that E Howard Hunt, & Frank Sturgis were CIA agents and were present in Dallas at the time of the assassination. So Ford (Lets move that back wound a little bit!) gets Lemnitzer (northwoods, Career Kennedy hater) to whitewash Sturgis (cuban exile, terrorist).

Oh the irony

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And you mustn't forget Shanet's boy, Douglas Dillon, who was also aboard the Rockefeller Whitewash express.

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How true, Lemnitzer also served on the influential, Committee on the present danger(CPTS) along with other luminaries, Maj Gen J Singlaub (of coca contra fame) William Van Cleave, George Keegan, Sen R Dole, Sen Paul Laxa, U S Ambassador Clare Booth Luce, father of the hydrogen bomb Edward Teller, ultra hawk Paul H nitze.

Edited August 5, 2005 by Stephen Turner

[John Simkin]

In his book, Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years , David Talbot has an interesting extract on Operation Northwoods.

But the Joint Chiefs' most cold-bloodied suggestion was to mount a terror campaign in Miami and other Florida cities "and even in Washington" that would create international revulsion against the Castro regime. This violent campaign would be directed at Cuban refugees in America, the chilling memo read. "We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government." The military leaders did not spell out how their exploding bombs would be limited to only wounding, not killing, their unsuspecting victims and how they could be assured that the only casualties would be innocent Cuban refugees, and not American bystanders. But the U.S. military has long been overly confident in its precision.

[Myra Bronstein]

Does anyone have any information on just how "Tight" Lemnitzer, & Walker were. The Senate committee investigating Walkers attempts to indoctrinate his troops with far right wing propoganda, exonorated Lemnitzer, for lack of evidence. But there must have been a close connection to have warrented examination in the first place. Thanks, Steve.

They did have that common denominator: President Kennedy damaged or destroyed their careers.

At least that's likely how they'd see it.