Sharing some " NEW " pics and "LARGE" older pics

[JL Allen]

I was thinking of John Ritchson. Sorry.

[Lee Forman]

Would I be correct that unless LBJ's actions were prompted by a fear of WW III, as I suggested above, or because he was being blackmailed (another possobility, I must admit) then the cover-up would indicate some sort of involvement by LBJ?

Both?

In an exclusive interview granted to Valley Publications, former undercover

operative for the FBI, Harry Dean, has stated that the John Birch

Society had a heavily armed network of citizen soldiers ready to take to

the streets in late 1963 and early 1964, if President Johnson and

Chief Justice Warren did not quickly find Lee Harvey Oswald (a supposed

communist sympathizer) guilty of the murder of President Kennedy. The

threat was delivered to Johnson and Warren, within a few days after the

assassination, by intelligence sources and by agents of the power

structure that eliminated the President. LBJ had the choice - nation-wide

internal strife or knuckling under to the threat and thereby giving this

minority force a position of recognition.

Johnson opted for the second choice.

(1) Telephone conversation between Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard B. Russell (8.55 p.m 29th November, 1963)

Richard Russell: I know I don't have to tell you of my devotion to you but I just can't serve on that Commission. I'm highly honoured you'd think about me in connection with it but I couldn't serve on it with Chief Justice Warren. I don't like that man. I don't have any confidence in him at all.

Lyndon B. Johnson: It has already been announced and you can serve with anybody for the good of America and this is a question that has a good many more ramifications than on the surface and we've got to take this out of the arena where they're testifying that Khrushchev and Castro did this and did that and chuck us into a war that can kill 40 million Americans in an hour....

Richard Russell: I still feel it sort of getting wrapped up...

Lyndon B. Johnson: Dick... do you remember when you met me at the Carlton Hotel in 1952? When we had breakfast there one morning.

Richard Russell: Yes I think so.

Lyndon B. Johnson: All right. Do you think I'm kidding you?

Richard Russell: No... I don't think your kidding me, but I think... well, I'm not going to say anymore, Mr. President... I'm at your command... and I'll do anything you want me to do....

Lyndon B. Johnson: Warren told me he wouldn't do it under any circumstances... I called him and ordered him down here and told me no twice and I just pulled out what Hoover told me about a little incident in Mexico City and I say now, I don't want Mr. Khrushchev to be told tomorrow (censored) and be testifying before a camera that he killed this fellow and that Castro killed him... And he started crying and said, well I won't turn you down... I'll do whatever you say.

[Alan Healy]

Would I be correct that unless LBJ's actions were prompted by a fear of WW III, as I suggested above, or because he was being blackmailed (another possobility, I must admit) then the cover-up would indicate some sort of involvement by LBJ?

The question I am asking is is there any other explanation for LBJ's role in the cover-up? Could it be that he wanted to protect the mafia even though he was not being blackmailed?

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Hi all,

don't mean to "hit & run" but just wanted to voice an opinion on the LBJ thing.

Firstly,

I do not believe LBJ had the power to control the way the investigation of this murder went.

That would of been sorted by the men who really ran the country, the same ones who put him into office that day after getting rid of the stone in their shoe.

What they really hoped to gain from choosing Oswald is a mystery, at the very least we can say they wouldn't have chosen an ex-Russian defector to divert attention away from USSR involvement.

The first thing the public associated with LHO was Russia(& Cuba)!

Attention was diverted from home soil & LBJ just did what he was told to IMO.

He certainly would of known who he was covering for & he would of known that he & his mentors would of survived WWIII, what they wouldn't of survived is being found out that they killed thier own Chief.

This "thing" is way too big for the likes of Marcello.

The only major mafia involment was the one pulling LBJs strings, the same type of "Wiseguys" who pull Geewubyas today.

Anyway, that's the way I think of it.

Ensuring the removal of the body from Parkland & then from the close attention of Jackie at Love Field was about all he had to do that day, pretty easy tasks but very important none the less.

[J. Raymond Carroll]

John, yes I believe that fear that proof of foreign involvement in the assassination would lead inexorably to WW III was what prompted the cover up.  At a minimum it prompted the participation of Earl Warren.

Now assume LBJ was not only innocent but had no foreknowledge of the assassination.  He is immediately receiving information highly suggestive of foreign involvment.  Remember for purposes of this hypothetical you must assume that LBJ was as innocent as when he was still a suckling baby.  it remains, a defensible decision by LBJ, even though it led to speculation of his own involvement.

JFK's efforts during the Cuban missile crisis may have saved the world from nuclear destruction.  Ditto LBJ's acton in orchestrating the cover-up.

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Constitution of the U.S. Section. 3.

Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

I assume no one would dispute that if a foregn government assassinated the President of the U.S. that would be an act of war. Anyone who gave aid to the assassins would be guilty of Treason.

According to Tim, LBJ & Waren were both guilty of Treason, as defined in the constitution. Would Tim agree that both LBJ & Warren should have died by hanging or the electric chair?

[Robin Unger]

James.

Is this the same guy who appears on the right of your image.

Edited August 1, 2005 by Robin Unger

[James Richards]

James.

Is this the same guy who appears on the right of your image. (Robin Unger)

I have no idea, Robin. Interesting thought though. The guy escorting Robert Oswald was discussed some time back I believe as resembling the character in Dealey Plaza who was said to be Jim Braden.

I have to say though that your comparison has some eery similarities. Having said that, the man positioned at the corner of Main and Houston and then photographed strolling toward Elm Street seems to be much older. (IMO)

James

[Lee Forman]

More Confidential Detective...

I found this piece of text interesting:

"At the police booking area on the 5th floor, Detective Archer remarked to the prisoner: 'Jack I think you've killed him.'

Ruby replied grimly: 'I intended to shoot him 3 times.'"

Anyway - I didn't recall ever hearing that before.

I tried to clean these up a bit. Adjusted the saturation, contrast and added a bit of blur.

- lee

[Lee Forman]

These 2 were on the same page - Ruby Trial. I didn't realize that Marguerite wasn't permitted to view the trial?

- lee

[Lee Forman]

Parkland.

One more of the TSBD.

- lee

[Lee Forman]

TSBD. Nice view of the fire escape.

All for now.

- lee

[Lee Forman]

2 more, wth.

- lee

[Lee Forman]

Nice one to sign off with.

- lee

[Robin Unger]

Nice one to sign off with.

- lee

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Thanks Lee.

I like that pic of the TSBD.

[Thomas Graves]

Does this guy crossing Elm Street look like anybody we know of? (Hint: I thought he was one of the tramps!) And why is he all bundled up like that? Gotta be some kind of spook.

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Hi Ron,

My hunch is that this man in the light-colored raincoat crossing Elm is David Atlee Phillips. Whoever it is, he certainly does look like a spook, doesn't he? He seems to be trying to look relaxed by nonchalantly "whistling a tune" as he strolls across the street with both hands in his pockets. FWIW, I think the oldest of the three "tramps" was probably E. Howard Hunt or perhaps Chauncey Holt.

Thomas

[John Dolva]

Does this guy crossing Elm Street look like anybody we know of? (Hint: I thought he was one of the tramps!) And why is he all bundled up like that? Gotta be some kind of spook.

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Hi Ron,

My hunch is that this man in the light-colored raincoat crossing Elm is David Atlee Phillips. Whoever it is, he certainly does look like a spook, doesn't he? He seems to be trying to look relaxed by nonchalantly "whistling a tune" as he strolls across the street with both hands in his pockets. FWIW, I think the oldest of the three "tramps" was probably E. Howard Hunt or perhaps Chauncey Holt.

Thomas

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If one takes an arm off another in the crowds and uses it to guesstimate the hand in pocket it may be, as he doesnt look altogether glad, he may have a gun in his pocket?