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Oh for F sake - this is ridiculous.

People are seeing conspiracies any time anything happens.

My car broke down - Blame the government.

The computer has a fault - Bush conspiracy.

This beer is warm - CIA Dirty Tricks team.

Some of you people should think about visiting the real world.

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Oh for F sake - this is ridiculous.

People are seeing conspiracies any time anything happens.

My car broke down - Blame the government.

The computer has a fault - Bush conspiracy.

This beer is warm - CIA Dirty Tricks team.

Some of you people should think about visiting the real world.

Who killed John John? John John.

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Oh for F sake - this is ridiculous.

People are seeing conspiracies any time anything happens.

My car broke down - Blame the government.

The computer has a fault - Bush conspiracy.

This beer is warm - CIA Dirty Tricks team.

Some of you people should think about visiting the real world.

Evan,

I don't disagree nor agree with you, but did you even go to the link that Jack posted before you said It was ridiculous?

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Evan,

I don't disagree nor agree with you, but did you even go to the link that Jack posted before you said It was ridiculous?

Yes, I did. You could tell it was garbage after reading it. I don't believe it to be a real 'report' at all.

9.39PM (2139) - Altitude 2500 ft, final radio contact.

"When detected on radar 29 seconds later he was at 1,800 feet,"

yet it then says:

"Within app. 10 seconds of this final radio contact at 9:39 P.M.... was identified on Radar by both Military personnel and Martha’s Vineyard Airport tower personnel as descending 1,200 feet in 12 seconds..."

So at 2139:00 it was at 2500', then at 2139:12 it was at 1300', then at 2139:29 it was at 1800'?

"Reporter has been ‘gotten to, compromised. Unknown as to who, at this time"

Nobody would put this in an official report because it's an opinion - and they wouldn't use such terminology. Agents are trained to report FACT, not opinion.

"All indication from Forensics and Physical evidence investigations lend themselves to a violent explosion, either from an altitude or barometric pressure device, or from a Particle Beam laser. [Delbert said Particle Beam laser was left out of final classified report] Aircraft ‘broke up’ in mid-air, as evidenced by wide spread debris gathered from the ocean and several different beaches. This can only be caused by an onboard explosion, or an attack by a missile or Laser."

Total garbage. An explosive device would typically leave residue traces on the aircraft. Destruction from an explosion would have a very different stress pattern and could be identified from the remains. A "particle beam" or "laser" would affect the aircraft in an entirely different way - even if it caused the aircraft fuel tanks to explode.

The entire thing is garbage; made up; false - a joke in bad taste.

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From a quick google search I found this 7/31/99 article from the Washington Post which confirms my memory of the after crash report:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/natio...nnedy073199.htm

about half-way down -

“Examination of the wreckage by NTSB investigators has revealed no evidence of an in-flight breakup or fire, and no indication of pre-impact failure to the airframe,” the statement said.

I guess the NTSB was in on it as well....

BTW - how does one determine the detonator was a barometric device from blast damage? :)

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How come nobody says Maureen Reagan was murdered? She was another high - achiever whose father was president.

Official cause of death: cancer. Same as Jack Ruby.

Maybe conspiracy theorists ignore Maureen because ... she was a fat old woman and JFK Jr. was slender, handsome and 38? These conspiracy theorists are just as underhanded as the people they accuse.

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How come nobody says Maureen Reagan was murdered?  She was another high - achiever whose father was president.

Official cause of death:  cancer.    Same as Jack Ruby.

Maybe conspiracy theorists ignore Maureen because ... she was a fat old woman and JFK Jr. was slender, handsome and 38?  These conspiracy theorists are just as underhanded as the people they accuse.

Mr Yarnell, I take it you have a reason to believe that Maureen Reagan's death was suspicious? I am sure that we would all love to see your evidence, so that research into this case can begin. Steve..

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How come nobody says Maureen Reagan was murdered?   She was another high - achiever whose father was president.

Official cause of death:  cancer.    Same as Jack Ruby.

Maybe conspiracy theorists ignore Maureen because ... she was a fat old woman and JFK Jr. was slender, handsome and 38?   These conspiracy theorists are just as underhanded as the people they accuse.

Mr Yarnell, I take it you have a reason to believe that Maureen Reagan's death was suspicious? I am sure that we would all love to see your evidence, so that research into this case can begin. Steve..

Two days later and Mr Yarnell offers no evidence of conspiracy in the death of Maureen Reagan. Some cynics might suspect this was all just to make a cheap jibe at those Mr Yarnell snearingly calls "Conspiracy theorists"

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Oh for F sake - this is ridiculous.

People are seeing conspiracies any time anything happens.

My car broke down - Blame the government.

The computer has a fault - Bush conspiracy.

This beer is warm - CIA Dirty Tricks team.

Some of you people should think about visiting the real world.

Evan,

I don't disagree nor agree with you, but did you even go to the link that Jack posted before you said It was ridiculous?

Adam,

Did you even go to the link that Jack posted before you asked Even if he had?

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This article is typical Tom Flocco, is full of wild absurd claims back only by the unsubstantiated claims of anonymous or pseudonymous sources. This one of the most loony tunes of loony tunes of CT sites. On the home page the question "Where would Jesus bank?" is posed in thinly disguised ad for an investment scheme. Among the stories reported on it's homepage: Barbara Olsen arrested in Poland, Harriet Miers "is a “deep-cover espionage agent” who is “representing as many as two or possibly three foreign governments” ", "CIA, French intelligence kill 4, capture 5 Israelis in NY subway attack ", "Bush and Cheney indicted", 20 -30 pedophile Congressmen are involved in a snuff film ring which also involved Hunter [s.] Thompson and possibly the Secret Service. This id the Weekly World News of CT cites. These stories are always based on unnamed sources or self proclaimed experts

In this case were supposed to take Floco's word for it some guy who wants only to be known as "Delbert," a former Interpol operative Special Forces and CIA Division 4 team member told him "about his team’s suppressed and classified final report naming former Presidents Bill Clinton and George H. W. Bush, President George W. Bush and Senator Hillary Clinton among others as being involved in orchestrating the assassination of John F. Kennedy Jr". The only citations in the story are other Tom Flocco stewweb.com articles. [stew Webb seems to be Flocco's sidekick]

The supposed motive was that John-John supposedly was thinking about running for Senator against Hillary or President against Bush. This absurd since he never expressed interest in getting involved in politics. Quite to the contrary, he resigned his job in the Manhattan DA's office, a potential stepping stone to elected office after only 4 years and when urged to run for Congress in '92 said "I frankly feel there are many opportunities and avenues outside of elective office to become involved in issues, issues that have the same broad scope that government or elected office provides you." http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/kenne...file/index.html

There is no way he could have been a credible threat to Bush's presidential ambitions. Except for six war hero generals [Washington, Jackson, W.H. Harrison, Taylor, Grant and Eisenhower] There never was an American president who did not have previous experience in elected office and/or held important anointed positions. And as far as I can tell that applies to VPs, major party nominees and all serious contenders for major party nomination. Ross Perot the only important third party candidate for president without such previous experience only got 19% of the vote in 1992 and 8% in 1996 and many of those were protest votes.

There are no indications Kennedy was interested in the job or would have be such a strong candidate that would merit killing him.

"Two witnesses told the team they saw George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush at the Essex County, New Jersey airport with Israeli Mossad agent Michael Harari and another Mossad agent who were both seen standing next to JFK Jr.’s Cessna--all four were at the airport just two days before the doomed plane took off"

This the most absurd claim in the report, Even if the Bushes and the Mossad conspired to kill John John, obviously the Bushes and Harari [who would have been close to 72 and was the retired head of the Mossad] would not have gone to the airport personally. There would have been no reason for them to have done so and this would jepordise the entire mission. They would have sent agents who would not draw attention to themselves and had a cover story. I find it hard to believe that anyone who is not intellectually challenged and/or crazy would find such a claim credible.

The Mossad's motives for killing John John are never explained.

Also who these two witnesses were is never explained why would some who could recognize a Mossad agent be at the Essex County airport?

Even for Jack White citing this article is beyond belief.

Jack do you really find this story credible or are you pulling our legs?

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This article is typical Tom Flocco, is full of wild absurd claims back only by the unsubstantiated claims of anonymous or pseudonymous sources. This one of the most loony tunes of loony tunes of CT sites. On the home page the question "Where would Jesus bank?" is posed in thinly disguised ad for an investment scheme. Among the stories reported on it's homepage: Barbara Olsen arrested in Poland, Harriet Miers "is a “deep-cover espionage agent” who is “representing as many as two or possibly three foreign governments” ", "CIA, French intelligence kill 4, capture 5 Israelis in NY subway attack ", "Bush and Cheney indicted", 20 -30 pedophile Congressmen are involved in a snuff film ring which also involved Hunter [s.] Thompson and possibly the Secret Service. This id the Weekly World News of CT cites. These stories are always based on unnamed sources or self proclaimed experts

In this case were supposed to take Floco's word for it some guy who wants only to be known as "Delbert," a former Interpol operative Special Forces and CIA Division 4 team member told him "about his team’s suppressed and classified final report naming former Presidents Bill Clinton and George H. W. Bush, President George W. Bush and Senator Hillary Clinton among others as being involved in orchestrating the assassination of John F. Kennedy Jr". The only citations in the story are other Tom Flocco stewweb.com articles. [stew Webb seems to be Flocco's sidekick]

The supposed motive was that John-John supposedly was thinking about running for Senator against Hillary or President against Bush. This absurd since he never expressed interest in getting involved in politics. Quite to the contrary, he resigned his job in the Manhattan DA's office, a potential stepping stone to elected office after only 4 years and when urged to run for Congress in '92 said "I frankly feel there are many opportunities and avenues outside of elective office to become involved in issues, issues that have the same broad scope that government or elected office provides you." http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/kenne...file/index.html

There is no way he could have been a credible threat to Bush's presidential ambitions. Except for six war hero generals [Washington, Jackson, W.H. Harrison, Taylor, Grant and Eisenhower] There never was an American president who did not have previous experience in elected office and/or held important anointed positions. And as far as I can tell that applies to VPs, major party nominees and all serious contenders for major party nomination. Ross Perot the only important third party candidate for president without such previous experience only got 19% of the vote in 1992 and 8% in 1996 and many of those were protest votes.

There are no indications Kennedy was interested in the job or would have be such a strong candidate that would merit killing him.

"Two witnesses told the team they saw George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush at the Essex County, New Jersey airport with Israeli Mossad agent Michael Harari and another Mossad agent who were both seen standing next to JFK Jr.’s Cessna--all four were at the airport just two days before the doomed plane took off"

This the most absurd claim in the report, Even if the Bushes and the Mossad conspired to kill John John, obviously the Bushes and Harari [who would have been close to 72 and was the retired head of the Mossad] would not have gone to the airport personally. There would have been no reason for them to have done so and this would jepordise the entire mission. They would have sent agents who would not draw attention to themselves and had a cover story. I find it hard to believe that anyone who is not intellectually challenged and/or crazy would find such a claim credible.

The Mossad's motives for killing John John are never explained.

Also who these two witnesses were is never explained why would some who could recognize a Mossad agent be at the Essex County airport?

Even for Jack White citing this article is beyond belief.

Jack do you really find this story credible or are you pulling our legs?

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STRANGE INDEED !! Wasn't Harari still under Larry Barcella's gun after being charged with smuggling both Israeli Galil and AK-47 assault rifles to the Colombian FARC via Antigua ?? [The Antigua Parliament had hired Larry (of Letelier investigation fame) to convict Harari??

Gerry

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STRANGE INDEED !! Wasn't Harari still under Larry Barcella's gun after being charged with smuggling both Israeli Galil and AK-47 assault rifles to the Colombian FARC via Antigua ?? [The Antigua Parliament had hired Larry (of Letelier investigation fame) to convict Harari??

Gerry

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I couldn't say.

The only thing I can say for sure about Harari recently is that he definately wasn't at Essex County Airport with Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. next to John-John's plane 2 days before it crashed!!!

Where did you hear about him running guns for FARC on tomflocco.com?

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Guest John Gillespie

Oh for F sake - this is ridiculous.

People are seeing conspiracies any time anything happens.

My car broke down - Blame the government.

The computer has a fault - Bush conspiracy.

This beer is warm - CIA Dirty Tricks team.

Some of you people should think about visiting the real world.

The following segment might be the most ludicrous:

"c) Two witnesses told the team they saw George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush at the Essex County, New Jersey airport with Israeli Mossad agent Michael Harari and another Mossad agent who were both seen standing next to JFK Jr.’s Cessna--all four were at the airport just two days before the doomed plane took off with JFK, Jr., his pregnant wife and her sister (along with Elvis and James Dean?)

d) Several witnesses testified they overheard the murder plot being discussed in the White House oval office" (Several? Ears to a keyhole? The same ones who heard Bill and Monica making funny noises?)

Oh for F sake - this is ridiculous.

...and, sixteen months before the Presidential election he tells a member of Sources Anonymous" how he might give it a go.

Oh for F sake - this is ridiculous.

People are seeing conspiracies any time anything happens.

My car broke down - Blame the government.

The computer has a fault - Bush conspiracy.

This beer is warm - CIA Dirty Tricks team.

Some of you people should think about visiting the real world.

The following segment might be the most ludicrous:

"c) Two witnesses told the team they saw George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush at the Essex County, New Jersey airport with Israeli Mossad agent Michael Harari and another Mossad agent who were both seen standing next to JFK Jr.’s Cessna--all four were at the airport just two days before the doomed plane took off with JFK, Jr., his pregnant wife and her sister (along with Elvis and James Dean?)

d) Several witnesses testified they overheard the murder plot being discussed in the White House oval office" (Several? Ears to a keyhole? The same ones who heard Bill and Monica making funny noises?)

Oh for F sake - this is ridiculous.

...and, sixteen months before the Presidential election he tells a member of Sources Anonymous" how he might give it a go.

But remember, luggage recovery can be slow in Jersey...

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