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the FBI showed clearly on whose side they were. In this extract is a outlinf of a program to force Martin Luther King to commit suicide before being able to collect his Nobel Prize. To me, this sort of thing reveals something that is about as low as anyone can go. That such an organisation was allowed to run roughshod over peoples lives and seemingly get away with it condemns the ruling groupings. The idea that these people would balk at assassination doesn't seem so far fetched.

""In an internal FBI monograph dated September 1963 found that, given the scope of support it had attracted over the preceding five years, civil rights agitation represented a clear threat to "the established order" of the U.S., and that Martin Luther "King is growing in stature daily as the leader among leaders of the Negro movement ... so goes Martin Luther King, and also so goes the Negro movement in the United States." This accorded well with COINTELPRO specialist William C. Sullivan's view, committed to writing shortly after King's landmark "I Have a Dream" speech during the massive civil rights demonstration in Washington, D.C., on August 28 of the same year:

We must mark [King] now, if we have not before, as the most dangerous Negro in the future of this Nation from the standpoint of communism, the Negro, and national security ... it may be unrealistic to limit [our actions against King] to legalistic proofs that would stand up in court or before Congressional Committees.

The stated objective of the SCLC, and the nature of its practical activities, was to organize for the securing of black voting rights across the rural South, with an eye toward the ultimate dismantlement of at least the most blatant aspects of the southern U.S. system of segregation. Even this seemingly innocuous agenda was, however, seen as a threat by the FBI. In mid-September of 1957, FBI supervisor J.G. Kelly forwarded a newspaper clipping describing the formation of the SCLC to the Bureau's Atlanta field office - that city being the location of SCLC headquarters - informing local agents, for reasons which were never specified, the civil rights group was "a likely target for communist infiltration," and that "in view of the stated purpose of the organization you should remain alert for public source information concerning it in connection with the racial situation."

The Atlanta field office "looked into" the matter and ultimately opened a COMINFIL (communist-inflitrated group) investigation of the SCLC, apparently based on the fact that a single SWP member, Lonnie Cross, had offered his services as a clerk in the organization's main office. 14 By the end of the first year of FBI scrutiny, in September of 1958, a personal file had been opened on King himself, ostensibly because he had been approached on the steps of a Harlem church in which he'd delivered a guest sermon by black CP member Benjamin J. Davis. 15 By October 1960, as the SCLC call for desegregation and black voting rights in the south gained increasing attention and support across the nation, the Bureau began actively infiltrating organizational meetings and conferences.

By July of 1961, FBI intelligence on the group was detailed enough to recount that, while an undergraduate at Atlanta's Morehouse College in 1948, King had been affiliated with the Progressive Party, and that executive director Wyatt Tee Walker had once subscribed to a CP newspaper, The Worker.

Actual counterintelligence operations against King and the SCLC seem to have begun with a January 8, 1962 letter from Hoover to Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, contending that the civil rights leader enjoyed a "close relationship" with Stanley D. Levison, "a member of the Communist Party, USA," and that Isadore Wofsy, "a high ranking communist leader," had written a speech for King. 18

On the night of March 15-16,1962, FBI agents secretly broke into Levison's New York office and planted a bug; a wiretap of his office phone followed on March 20.

Among the other things picked up by the surveillance was information that Jack ODell, who also had an alleged "record of ties to the Communist party," had been recommended by both King and Levison to serve as an assistant to Wyatt Tee Walker. Although none of these supposed communist affiliations were ever substantiated, it was on this basis that SCLC was targeted within the Bureau's ongoing COINTELPRO-CP,USA, beginning with the planting of five disinformational "news stories" concerning the organization's "communist connections" on October 24, 1962. 21 By this point, Martin Luther King's name had been placed in Section A of the FBI Reserve Index, one step below those individuals registered in the Security Index and scheduled to be rounded up and "preventively detained" in the event of a declared national emergency; Attorney General Kennedy had also authorized round-the-clock surveillance of all SCLC offices, as well as King's home. 22 Hence, by November 8,1963, comprehensive telephone taps had been installed at all organizational offices, and King's residence.

By 1964, King was not only firmly established as a preeminent civil rights leader, but was beginning to show signs of pursuing a more fundamental structural agenda of social change. Meanwhile, the Bureau continued its efforts to discredit King, maintaining a drumbeat of mass media-distributed propaganda concerning his supposed "communist influences" and sexual proclivities, as well as triggering a spate of harassment by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). 24 When it was announced on October 14 of that year that King would receive a Nobel Peace Prize as a reward for his work in behalf of the rights of American blacks, the Bureau - exhibiting a certain sense of desperation - dramatically escalated its efforts to neutralize him.

Two days after announcement of the impending award, COINTELPRO specialist William Sullivan caused a composite audio tape to be produced, supposedly consisting of "highlights" taken from the taps of King's phones and bugs placed in his various hotel rooms over the preceding two years.

The result, prepared by FBI audio technician John Matter, purported to demonstrate the civil rights leader had engaged in a series of "orgiastic" trysts with prostitutes and, thus, "the depths of his sexual perversion and depravity." The finished tape was packaged, along with an accompanying anonymous letter (prepared by Bureau Internal Security Supervisor Seymore F. Phillips on Sullivan's instruction), informing King that the audio material would be released to the media unless he committed suicide prior to bestowal of the Nobel Prize.

"King, look into your heart. You know you are a complete fraud and a great liability to all of us Negroes. White people in this country have enough frauds of their own but I am sure that they don't have one at this time that is any where near your equal. You are no clergyman and you know it. I repeat you are a colossal fraud and an evil, vicious one at that. ...

King, there is only one thing left for you to do. You know what it is. You have just 34 days in which to do (this exact number has been selected for a specific reason, it has definite practical significant. You are done. There is but one way out for you. You better take it before your filthy, abnormal fraudulent self is bared to the nation."

Sullivan then instructed veteran COINTELPRO operative Lish Whitson to fly to Miami with the package; once there, Whitson was instructed to address the parcel and mail it to the intended victim. 26 When King failed to comply with Sullivan's anonymous directive that he kill himself, FBI Associate Director Cartha D. "Deke" DeLoach attempted to follow through with the threat to make the contents of the doctored tape public:

The Bureau Crime Records Division, headed by DeLoach, initiated a major campaign to let newsmen know just what the Bureau [claimed to have] on King. DeLoach personally offered a copy of the King surveillance transcript to Newsweek Washington bureau chief Benjamin Bradlee. Bradlee refused it, and mentioned the approach to a Newsday colleague, Jay Iselin."

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"Malcolm X was supposedly murdered by former colleagues in the Nation of Islam (NoI) as a result of the faction-fighting which had led to his splitting away from that movement, and their "natural wrath" at his establishment of a separate mosque, the Muslim Mosque, Inc.

However, the NoI factionalism at issue didn't just happen. It had been developed by deliberate Bureau actions, through infiltration and the "sparking of acrimonious debates within the organization," rumor-mongering, and other tactics designed to foster internal disputes. The Chicago Special Agent in Charge, Marlin Johnson, who also oversaw the assassinations of Fred Hampton and Mark Clark, makes it quite obvious that he views the murder of Malcolm X as something of a model for "successful" counterintelligence operations.

Over the years considerable thought has been given, and action taken with Bureau approval, relating to methods through which the NOI could be discredited in the eyes of the general black populace or through which factionalism among the leadership could be created. Serious consideration has also been given towards developing ways and means of changing NoI philosophy to one whereby the members could be developed into useful citizens and the organization developed into one emphasizing religion - the brotherhood of mankind - and self improvement. Factional disputes have been developed - most notable being Malcolm X Little.""

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I put together the following graph based on a number of graphs showing where COINTELPRO were focusing its attention. It clearly shows that, while a major threat to the rights of American citizens were from the shadowy organisations of the right, the FBI did most damage to the organisations on the left, that claimed to be fighting to protect those rights.

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In reading a post about witnesses being killed, it occurred to me that more people around in the 60s had killed before than I'd thought. I actually don't think I know anyone who has killed (though I doubt they would tell me if they had). But back then with the second world war in 'recent' memory and the korean war as well, plus the vietnam war starting up, there probably was a significant number of still active men who had some experience in killing. (just wanted to log the thought for future reference.) I wonder if anyone has any idea what the percentage of veterans in Dallas 63 might have been?

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It seems there is a parallell thread to the whole picture that is largely ignored for some strange reason, perhaps one is that a lot of the information relating to it is only recently being uncovered. There is the recent trials of KKK murderers that were aquitted back in the 60's such as the killers of Emmett Till and Medgar Evers and the Mississippi three. Obviously there are plenty more where they came from. Many bodies in the swamps yet to be even identified. Modern Forensic Anthropologists may in the end do that. But while these people await justice..

Back in October 62 when much attention was put on foreign issues like Cuba, Oxford Mississippi had its own share of troubles in the form of an armed insurrection. Only after the mobilisation of the Army was it put down.

Some of the individuals involved with JFK have interesting coincidences attached to them.

James McShane was the US Marshal who gained notoriety in trying to enforce JFK's orders. He had a prior period of notoriety as well. In 1954 he was suspended from the NY police force over extra curricular activities when he appeared in a photo on the NY times holding an Umbrella over Rocky Marciano. Umbrella - Civil Rights

Yarbrough was also right in the thick of things, he was ordered (JFK had taped his conversations with Barnett and threatened him with them unless he backed off) by Barnett to enforce Kennedy's order.

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Adding into this coincidences topic from another topic about Garrison.

" "The constitution does not allow reasons of state to influence our judgement. God forbid it should! We must not regard political consequences, however formidable they might be; if rebellion was the certain consequence, we are bound to say - Justitia fiat, ruat coleum. - Let justice be done, though the heavens fall."

It seems to me that this statement could be interpreted in a number of ways. It's reasonable for Garrison to be familiar with it for a couple of reasons. Firstly from his profession in Law. from this he would have a deep understanding of the full quote. thus when paraphrasing it he means the whole. ie. justice irrespective of any consequences, even the fall of government. Secondly, he probably read 'Time' and the use of it in an article on the Oxford insurrection by Barnett and Walker would not have escaped anyone keeping up with current events.

Walker made a call for men. Louisiana (NO) responded with a promise of 10000. This seldom noted event (oxford insurrection) was so significant that the government sought to bury it by refusing to consider medals for those involved in putting down the rebellion in order to not draw attention to it. The use by 'Time' magazine of the 'heavens fall' quote in this context could be seen as a support by 'Time' for the rebellion. Justice to these right wingers was the defeat of integration. Legal means had been exhausted, arms was next on the agenda.

By Garrison using the quote in New Orleans, I wonder if he was turning the tables and throwing it back in the face of these rightwingers."

It's quite interesting to try to find out anything about this insurrection. Generally it's described as a riot around the registry of Meredith as a student. What is seldom mentioned is that General Edwin Walker was bunkered down in the thick of things, directing the military deployment of the bigots who rallied to his and Barnetts call. He started his involvement from Texas by calling for armed men to rally to Barnetts call. He then made his way to Oxford Mississippi to direct operations. He was arrested after the failed insurrection while trying to sneak out in a car.

Generally today, with so much of the time spent in trying to splice together Cuba and the Mob and the CIA etc, little attention is given to these facts. Often they are glossed over with statements about bovine excrement that fail to address any issues at all. FBI agents(former and current tied to such as the SISS), Highway Patrol, Government officials, ordinary run of the mill bigots, Army Generals etc, who probably were the people amongst whom the assassins can to be found are probably most appreciative of this neglect.

The fact that this is surfacing now as the lead up to 2027 approaches is perhaps a preparation for the truth. Perhaps the coverup has served its purpose, the guilty are dead, the New Order is cemented in place?

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revisiting Angletons greenhouse.

It would seem that from the very scant attention paid to Angletons Orchids that the mystery as to what he meant is common knowledge. His room full of Mirrors is shattered and no longer important.

What a wonderful guise for an Orchid. Its very core decoy is accepted as real.

Of course back in Dallas on November 22 for about half a day or so the truth was clear. No 'evidence' had as yet been 'uncovered' so Jackie and her intimates, the average jane and joe citizen, black and white, even Hosty and co, instinctively knew 'they' had done it.

When the 'evidence' came to light, Jackie said "He didn't even have the satisfaction of being killed for Civil Rights...". The nation followed suit. A wierd and wonderful excursion into lala land ensued which has held generations enthralled for close to half a century.

The conspiracy IS the conspiracy. The perfect self perpetuating Enigma. A little sweetener here, a nudge there, all inexorably steering mind and spirit away from the self evident.

However, as with all such smoke screens, the bigger they get the more diffused they get and the less internal logic they have. Naturally for some time those with deep attachment to aspects of the Orchids camouflage will continue to energetically cover the cracks. A time comes when the glue grows thin a swell. The mirrors disintegrate and the awful truth emerges.

There was a writer in the sixties who I think got it right. None other than Mick Jagger, the lead singer of the geriatric Rolling Stones. Back then they were not so old and along with glamourpusses the Beatles were in the beginning of their Fame. Mick penned the ballad 'Sympathy for the devil', which appeared on the 'Beggars Banquet' album. The stones in time dropped it from their play list as it seemed to provoke people into violent behaviour. The willing after the fact complicity of everybody in accepting the obfuscation re the assassins true nature is what the song deals with. You and I.

""Please allow me to introduce myself, I’m a man of wealth and taste. I’ve been around for a long, long year, stole many a man’s soul and faith, and I was ’round when jesus christ had his moment of doubt and pain, made damn sure that Pilate washed his hands and sealed his fate.

Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name, but what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game. I stuck around St. Petersburg when I saw it was a time for a change, killed the czar and his ministers, Anastasia screamed in vain.

I rode a tank, held a general’s rank,

when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank...

Pleased to meet you Hope you guess my name. Ah, what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game, I watched with glee while your kings and queens fought for ten decades for the gods they made. I shouted out,

Who killed the kennedys?

When after all, it was you and me...

Let me please introduce myself, I’m a man of wealth and taste, and I laid traps for troubadours who get killed before they reached bombay. Pleased to meet you hope you guessed my name, but what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game.

Pleased to meet you hope you guessed my name, oh yeah, but what’s confusing you is just the nature of my game.

Just as every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints, as heads is tails just call me Lucifer ’cause I’m in need of some restraint, so if you meet me have some courtesy have some sympathy, and some taste, use all your well-learned politesse or I’ll lay your soul to waste.

Pleased to meet you hope you guessed my name, but what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game. Tell me baby, what’s my name, tell me honey, can ya guess my name, tell me baby, what’s my name? I tell you one time, you’re to blame, what’s my name tell me, baby, what’s my name, tell me, sweetie, what’s my name?""

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"The Mississippi Sovereignty Commission, formed in 1956 by the state legislature was actually one of two groups leading the state’s official resistance to civil rights. The second group – the white Citizens’ Councils – was a private organization founded two years earlier in response to Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, KS.

Both aided in maintaining Mississippi’s “closed society” by interchanging information, laundering money, tipping off the Klan and FBI to activities of civil rights activists or doing anything to disrupt the plans and activities of those working on the side of civil rights.

Often working the Yazoo-Mississippi Delta, a part of Mississippi with a heritage of struggle too-often ignored in other accounts, government spies (some former FBI agents or other experienced law enforcement personnel and some veterans with multiple Purple Hearts from military days past, ) gathered whatever data they could to harm black citizens and others who “agitated” for voting and civil rights. These agents worked under the direction of the state Sovereignty Commission.

The commission was intended to prevent outsiders from changing Mississippi's Southern--segregationist--way of life. It was supposed to do this by publicizing how well segregation worked and by secretly keeping watch over those who wished to overturn the system. By the time it closed in 1973, thecommission's investigators had amassed confidential files on 87,000 people, making it the largest state-level spying effort in U.S. history.

Some journalists not so jokingly, referred to the Sovereignty Commission as the “Cotton” or “Magnolia” Gestapo, and for good reason: School superintendents, teachers, college administrators, ministers, doctors, bankers, journalist and any others with information to be used against civil rights advocates were vulnerable to the Commission’s pressures.

Those who did “inform” were both white and black. Some were paid for their tips. Some were not. In turn the Commission was typically protective of white informations but not for blacks.

The information received was passed on where ever it was needed – to town constables, police officers and highway patrol officers (some who belonged to the Klan ) or to bankers and businessmen, school board members, loan officers – Citizens Councils members who could use information to financially punish errant Mississippians and others.

The information kept flowing as the Sovereignty Commission used secrets gained in a variety of ways to harm the enemy – supporters of integration and voting rights for blacks."

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Kennedy was supporter of integration and voting rights for blacks.

In January 63 Kennedy announced an intention to stop the use of literacy as a criteria for voting rights. This had been one of the big stumbling blocks in registering the black voter. In mid 63, Kennedy declared (quite differently from the Eisenhower position of asking the blacks to wait patiently) that the time for waiting is over. (just after midnight after the evening of this speech, Medgar Evers was assassinated by a sniper, the first black death during the Civil Rights era to be referred to as a political assassination). Five months later, one year after dallasite Walkers failed insurrection in Oxford, Mississippi, Kennedy was assassinated by a sniper.

Of course, as the patsy is proven to be more interested in Cuba, and the fact that the proof provided by the authorities about this patsy and his associates clearly point away from any Civil Rights issues, this is all just coincidences. Or to qoute various learned scholars, BS. (not)

On the other hand, if other speculations are appropriate fields of time expenditure,then perhaps an issue that Kennedy stood for and which there is ample evidence of some ordinary Americans and some Generals and Governors are prepared to kill for, like Integration, for example...

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It is sometimes recognised that 'researchers' tend to wear blinkers. I think ignoring or hoping that dealing with the true climate that Kennedy encountered when travelling to the south is one way of doing limited 'research'. However the whole truth , of which the following is part, is not going to alter irrespective of any wishes to the contrary. Naturally until it can be shown by reasoned argument that there is no connection here I will continue to push it.

Here is a snapshot of widely divergent psyches, one belonging to a group that did such things as lynch humans (personally I think the possibility that they might also murder presidents is real) and the other a collection of Kennedys sayings indicating to me the true humanity of the man.

This is a true clash of cultures. Bound to cause a spark or two.

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"Cox owed his position on the federal bench to his friend and Ole Miss Law School roommate, James Eastland, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Senator Eastland had the power to block President Kennedy’s appointment of NAACP counsel Thurgood Marshall to the U. S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit—an appointment Kennedy very much wanted to make. Eastland bargained for his old friend, saying to Robert Kennedy, “Tell your brother that if he will give me Harold Cox I will give him the n.”

Robert Kennedy and Burke Marshall met with Cox prior to his nomination. Cox assured the Attorney General and the head of the Civil Rights division that he would enforce federal law as it had been interpreted by the Supreme Court. Satisfied with Cox’s assurance, President Kennedy nominated Cox for the federal district bench. As soon as his robe was on, however, Cox became a major obstacle to the Justice Department. In one voting rights suit brought by Doar, for example, Cox refused to let government lawyers inspect the public voting records of Clarke County. The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals overruled that and many of Cox’s other decisions, but his manipulations caused considerable delay in the progress of civil rights in Mississippi."

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In 1961 a young president declared that "we would bear any burden, pay any price to secure the blessings of liberty.

Some words from Kennedy(from various speeches and writings, sorted in such a way to help me answer the question "what would Kennedy have done?"):

"Wisdom requires the long view.

Our task is not to fix the blame for the past, but to fix the course for the future.

I am reminded of the story of the great French Marshal Lyautey, who once asked his gardener to plant a tree. The gardener objected that the tree was slow-growing and would not reach maturity for a hundred years. The Marshal replied, "In that case, there is no time to lose, plant it this afternoon."

When written in Chinese, the word crisis is compounded of two characters-one represents danger, and the other represents opportunity.

To those peoples in the huts and villages of half the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required--not because the Communists may be doing it, not because we seek their votes, but because it is right. If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.

...will not discriminate against any employee or applicant for employment because of race, creed, color, or national origin. The contractor will take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin.

And if a beachhead of cooperation may push back the jungle of suspicion, let both sides join in creating a new endeavor, not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved. All this will not be finished in the first one hundred days. Nor will it finished in the first one thousand days, nor in the life of this administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin.

There are risks and costs to a program of action. But they are far less than the long range risks and costs of comfortable inaction.

Let both sides explore what problems unite us instead of belaboring these problems which divide us.

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country

It is an unfortunate fact that we can secure peace only by preparing for war.

....not peace at the expense of freedom, but both peace and freedom.

....our success or failure, in whatever office we may hold, will be measured by the answers to four questions:

First, were we truly men of courage--with the courage to stand up to one's enemies--and the courage to stand up, when necessary, to one's associates--the courage to resist public pressure, as well as private greed?

Secondly, were we truly men of judgment--with perceptive judgment of the future as well as the past--of our own mistakes as well as the mistakes of others--with enough wisdom to know that we did not know, and enough candor to admit it?

Third, were we truly men of integrity--men who never ran out on either the principles in which they believed or the people who believed in them--men who believed in us--men whom neither financial gain nor political ambition could ever divert from the fulfillment of our sacred trust?

Finally, were we truly men of dedication--with an honor mortgaged to no single individual or group, and compromised by no private obligation or aim, but devoted solely to serving the public good and the national interest.

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Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us here the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own.

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All my life I’ve known better than to depend on the experts. How could I have been so stupid, to let them go ahead?"

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I thought I might try some more creative means of eliciting a response re the Civil Rights issue. Though I suppose no response is a response.

It seems it is not difficult for a researcher to believe that contrary to the absense of any evidence believe that because certain members of the mob had a grudge that they would kill Kennedy.

The existence of confrontation between violent individuals and the Kennedy government around the issue of intergration is clear and shows an escalation over the period of Kennedys government. That this might culminate in an assassination, particularly in Dallas, seems to me less farfetched than a mob or castro assassination. Even the fact that the entire investigation (apart from very early on) has steered away from any consideration of the civil rights issues, so that today no one seems to know much of anything about it is an indication of this.

So , here goes. #1. The beg. (to the strains of a solitary violin)

"I beseech Thee o Researchers of whom i as a humble footnote, a doodle, a scribble, in the seldom read margins of the dust covers of reality, i beg Thee all, or any, to cast Thy glance fleetingly into my dark, dusty corner where i huddle patiently awaiting morsels from Thy table of plenty, averting my eyes from the blinding light of Thy reason, hoping for just a scrap of the road map to truth that Thy community so generously affords those far more worthy than i. Just a scrap, that no-one wants, so that i may ponder upon it and perchance, one day devine its meaning, and, Thy willing, one day, be permitted to look over Thy mighty shoulders as Thou turnest the pages of this wondrous book."

(tomorrow : #2. The glossy ad, promising fame, fortune, and oodles and oodles of sensual titillation.)

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John, I'm beginning to believe that the key to understanding a lot of the mystery is to try to gain an understanding of General Walker. As Jim Root has pointed out, he connects to Max Taylor...and as you and others have pointed out, he also connects to the ANTI-civil rights community. If the evidence ever emerges DIRECTLY connecting Walker with Oswald, outside the April '63 potshot, then I believe you'll have your connection to the actual conspiracy.

In my freshman year of college, when I thought I might want to study engineering, I had a chemistry class under a professor who was so highly intelligent it was almost scary. It seems that this man had been one of the folks who had been involved in the Manhattan Project during WWII...and the operation had been SO compartmentalized, he had no idea what his work had been a part of until AFTER Hiroshima. Sometime afterwards, his guilt over the colossal destruction wrought by the weapons he'd helped to create caused him to go "over the edge." As I heard later, while his recovery was fairly successful, no references to nuclear weapons, mushroom clouds, or Hiroshima or Nagasaki were allowed near his classroom.

It is this sort of compartmentalization that I believe that Mr. Hemming and others have referenced in their comments. For any operation of such a magnitude to occur, certain segments of the operation only need to know what their OWN contribution is to be, and don't have access to the "big picture." This is why I think the "someone would have talked" theory has a flaw; MOST of those involved in the Manhattan Project had no earthly idea where their contributions would culminate, and if they had known, they likely may have balked at participating. I believe the same level of compartmentalization most likely was used in the JFK assassination...which is why the story of the Murchison party on the night of November 21 doesn't ring true to me.

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Mark, we have had our disagreements, but I want to complement you on this post. Your comments on the possible significance of Gen. Walker to the plot, and the role of compartmentilization in an intelligeence operation, are interesting.

I believe that within this information are the leads that will lead to a direct connection. Under cover of a Cuban issue, I suggest that these wholly USA issue driven individuals murdered Kennedy.

Various quotes and posts from various sources:

I believe the head of the Dallas area KKK was the Reverend Roy E. Davis. Davis was the editor of The Fiery Cross.

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From http://www.cuban-exile.com/doc_051-075/doc0062e.html

Q: Was Dixon's name mentioned at anytime, the one in Dallas of the K.K.K.

A: The only man in Dallas that he mentioned that was a good patriot down in Texas, and engineering a lot of activity there was a Mr. Davis a reverend Dr. Davis, a preacher, head of the Klu Klux Klan. He was a man who didn't worry about human life, that he worried about his nation now. I know of Davis for several years. This Milteer now says that he doesn't want too much talk about Kennedy anymore, now he is alledgeling his war against the Jews, and their associates. But the Klu Klux Klan and the Officials which were Mims and Bolings didn't seem too please with the assassination of the President. Their main purpose was to eliminate Martin Luther King and some of the negro leaders. But I don't know, they didn't give him any assurance of anything, except that they would go along with him with his political party, and that they would put out the pamphlets, when they were properly written and given to them. But they didn't indicate in anyway that they had known or assisted in the assassination of the President. But Milteer didn't give them too much chance to talk and discuss, he just issued orders, he carried on the conversation on what had been done, and what had to be done. And of course, these men from Denmark and Orangeburg seemed more enthused to go along with him on the assassination and that they appreciated the assassination of the President than Mims and Boling.

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The Dallas PD first suspected that Davis was the publisher of the Wanted For Treason posters but an unnamed Dallas PD officer said it wasn't Davis because "he knew Davis and he didn't do it."

Going back to the list of GI Forum founders, you might also recognise the name Felix Botello. His name was on a membership list of a Minuteman-like paramilitary group with connections to Edwin Walker. Botello was also a FBI informant. I believe that this information about the meeting at the Carousel Club originally came from Butler. It is possible that it was Butler who provided Dorothy Kilgallen with the information about the Jesse Curry's tapes. Butler also provided information to W. Penn Jones Jr. According to Jones, Butler told him that 50% of the Dallas Police Department were also members of the Ku Klux Klan.

By airtel 1-13-64, Dallas Office reported that on 1-4-64 William James Lowery, Jr. a former security informant of the Dallas Office, reported that he had been contacted by Earl Lively, Jr., of Dallas, Texas. Lowery stated Lively is reported writing an anticommunist book which will stress the Fair Play for Cuba Committee connections of Lee Harvey Oswald. Lively showed Lowery a letter from Herbert Philbrick, former Communist Party member who has testified on behalf of the Government concerning communist activities. According to Lively, Philbrick plans to be in Dallas soon and desires to meet Lowery.

Lively further informed Lowery that he desired Lowery’s assistance in writing his book. He stated that Dr. Robert Morris, former counsel to the Senate Internal Security Committee under Senator McCarthy, was assisting him and Lt. George Butler of the Dallas Police Department was also assisting him. Lively added that Lt. George Butler of the Dallas PD was going to try to get any information he could that the FBI turned over to the Dallas Police Department in connection with the Lee Harvey Oswald case.

It might be interesting to note, that in August of 1941, Butler received a 30 day suspension for punching a black youth while in custody

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Banister's positions attracted the backing of the chairman of the Citizens' Council of Gentilly, Louis Pennington Davis, Jr. (NOTP; March 19, 1961; s 1, p 21) The Gentilly Council was a subunit of the larger Citizens' Council of Greater New Orleans (referred to as GNOCC). Davis had been involved since the inception of GNOCC in 1956 (NOTP; January 27, 1956; p 13) Leander Perez was a member of the board. Other members of the Gentilly section were Robert L. Hickerson and George L. Singelmann, usually identified as an assistant to Perez (NOTP; March 4, 1956; p 28). Perez himself spoke at an early meeting of the Gentilly Council in 1956. His topic was the "menace" of the Supreme Court. (NOTP; March 10, 1956; p 2)

Davis made his position on the NAACP clear: "a small group of Russian Jews with known Communist ties is procuring the vast amounts of money being 'poured into NAACP activities.'" (NOTP; August 5, 1956; p 2)

In 1961, Davis and Singelmann held forth on CORE:

No less than 13 members of its national advisory board belong to numerous organizations that have been cited for their Communist front activities.

The avowed purpose of this organization is to create incidents and excite people to violence. If their objective is successful, the South and the nation will be a seething mass of racial strife and violence. (NOTP; June 3, 1961; S 3, p 20)

During the Ole Miss crisis in 1962, Davis sent the following telegram to General Edwin Walker: "You called for ten thousand volunteers nationwide for Mississippi's fight against Federal tyranny. Will pledge ten thousand from Louisiana alone under your command." (NOTP; September 28, 1962; S 3, p 2)

Davis died September 15, 1971, at the age of 58. (NOTP; September 17, 1971; s 1, p 20)

Banister's next public connection with Perez came with his participation as a speaker in a Fourth of July Rally in 1961 at which Perez was presented a 'patriotism award.' The rally was organized by Delphine Roberts acting on behalf of something called the National Confederation for Conservative Government. Others participating included Festus Brown, of the American Legion's Un-American Activities Committee, and Emile A. Wagner, school board member. Banister and Perez were photographed along with State Supreme Court Justice Walter B. Hamlin and city Judge Oliver P. Schulingkamp. (NOTP; July 2, 1961; s 1, p 14; July 5, 1961; s 1, p 3; unfortunately the photo does not come at all)

In May of 1963, "200 persons from throughout" Louisiana met in Baton Rouge to establish the Louisiana Commitee for Free Electors. State Senator Harold Montgomery of Doyline was elected chairman. Two representatives from each Congressional District were chosen. Guy Banister was selected to represent the First District. (NOTP; May 12, 1963; s 1, p 11) Pages 322 to 327 of Glen Jeansonne's book, "Leander Perez" (Baton Rouge: LSU Press, 1977) describe the interest of Perez in the Free Elector Campaign. Note the mention of Perez's control of the First District on page 323. Banister probably couldn't have been chosen to represent that district without at least the tacit approval of Perez.

Bannister applied for a job with the SSC in Mississippi, I have no record of him getting the job but given his credentials and interests I'd say it's likely.

A group of men were stopped on their way to mississippi with guns, with them was a list of people with interesting links. Offhand I can't find it but it is on the forum.

I have read, and unfortunately at the time didn't consider its significance, but I am prepared to restate it as I remember with confidence that the document exists. : at a KKK rally following the assassination a klan leader announced to the audience "We don't have to worry about Kennedy any more, one of the good ole' boys in Dallas has taken care of that.".

Another individual I would like to find out more about is someone mentioned only by Richard Craig to my knowledge. He described this individual as being a stall holder in the lobby of the DPD. Given the KKK-DPD connection it is interesting as Craig describes him as a rabid bigot. Everyone knew him and came in touch with him daily, it would be interesting to find what his story is. Similarly the Hosty, Harry, DPD, Walther, Jimmy, Kay, Olsen group of people and their connections.

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This is Harry's namebase chart. It's surprisingly limited. It is also known he reported not only to the FBI as informant, he was also intimate with Fritz of the DPD and reported to his boss in Washington who was intimately directly connected to Helms and Dulles. In fact any information on Harry Holmes is severely limited, for example there seems to be no photo's of him. He is known to have been in the DPD on the afternoon of the assassination, he is known to have been one of the last people to speak with Oswald, and he is known to have wandered around picking up things in Dealey Plaza on the day of the assassination. If a photo was found of him, it could make a check with known unknowns in the large set of photos available possible. It is also interesting that there is an FBI report of an informant regarding Ruby inviting the informant to come to the corner of the post office to 'look at the fireworks'. Presumably, this would have referred to the area below Harry's office where Harry observed the motorcade from.

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It has been repeatedly stated that Kennedys death and the work of Johnsson for whatever reason was the basis for the Civil Rights act passed a couple of years after Kennedys death. I don't think the evidence bears this out. Kennedy had committed himself to this very goal. He had the declared that the time for waiting was over. The coming elections were going to have to deal with this. A win for Kennedy would inextricably be a win for civil rights...

Kennedy speech to the nation on Civil Rights, June 11 1963:

"One hundred years of delay have passed since President Lincoln freed the slaves, yet their heirs, their grandsons, are not fully free. They are not yet freed from the bonds of injustice. They are not yet freed from social and economic oppression. And this Nation, for all its hopes and all its boasts, will not be fully free until all its citizens are free.

We preach freedom around the world, and we mean it, and we cherish our freedom here at home, but are we to say to the world, and much more importantly, to each other that this is the land of the free except for the Negroes; that we have no second-class citizens except Negroes; that we have no class or caste system, no ghettoes, no master race except with respect to Negroes?

Now the time has come for this Nation to fulfill its promise.The events in Birmingham and elsewhere have so increased the cries for equality that no city or State or legislative body can prudently choose to ignore them. The fires of frustration and discord are burning in every city, North and South, where legal remedies are not at hand. Redress is sought in the streets, in demonstrations, parades, and protests which create tensions and threaten violence and threaten lives.

We face, therefore, a moral crisis as a country and a people. It cannot be met by repressive police action. It cannot be left to increased demonstrations in the streets. It cannot be quieted by token moves or talk. It is a time to act in the Congress, in your State and local legislative body and, above all, in all of our daily lives. It is not enough to pin the blame on others, to say this a problem of one section of the country or another, or deplore the facts that we face. A great change is at hand, and our task, our obligation, is to make that revolution, that change, peaceful and constructive for all. Those who do nothing are inviting shame, as well as violence. Those who act boldly are recognizing right, as well as reality.

Next week I shall ask the Congress of the United States to act...."

(Three hours later Medgar Evers was assassinated by a KKK sniper as he was returning home from having listened to this speech, a friend of Medgar who had been with him that evening said that before going home Medgar had seemed unusually quiet and quite disturbed. Medgar had at an earlier event declared a glad willingness to die for his cause.)

Martin Luther King two and a half months later: I have a dream

28 August 1963, at the Lincoln Memorial, Washington D.C.

"I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."

But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children..."

About two and a half months later Kennedy was dead.

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Some more info on Gen. Walker.

(I'll log a totally unsubstantiated thought here that may for reasons I'm not aware of, at some time be worth considering : Edwin Lopez: Lopez..a spanishisation of lope or the stride of a tall person, Walker was 6'3")

In 1961, Gen. Edwin Walker was commander of the 24th Division of the U.S. Army in West Germany, when he was relieved of his command because he attempted to indoctrinate his men with his political philosophy. Soon after, he resigned from the Army. In 1962-63, Gen. Edwin Walker had the financial backing of Haroldson L. Hunt, in his campaign to fight communism in the U.S.. H. L. Hunt was the richest oilman in Texas. Both men lived and worked in Dallas and were members of the John Birch Society.

The Strange Case of Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker - http://www.textfiles.com/conspiracy/walker.txt

General Edwin A. Walker is known to most JFK assassination buffs as the man whom Oswald allegedly shot at in April 1963. The general's right-wing connections are often noted, as is the fact that he was forced out of his command by the Kennedy administration for his political indoctrination of his troops. His activities during the race riots in Oxford, Mississippi in 1962 are also often mentioned, when he was arrested on four federal charges including insurrection.

His public statement at Oxford was as follows:

This is Edwin A. Walker. I am in Mississippi beside Gov. Ross

Barnett. I call for a national protest against the conspiracy

from within.

Rally to the cause of freedom in righteous indignation, violent

vocal protest and bitter silence under the flag of Mississippi

at the use of Federal troops.

This today is a disgrace to the nation in 'dire peril,' a

disgrace beyond the capacity of anyone except its enemies.

This is the conspiracy of the crucifixion by anti-Christ

conspirators of the Supreme Court in their denial of prayer

and their betrayal of a nation.

[source NYT, 9/30/62]

The Army ordered General Walker to undergo psychiatric testing.

The general's case is strange indeed. But another fact, not often mentioned, makes his activities in 1961-3 even stranger. Going back to 1957, we find him in charge of *enforcing* the desegregation order in Little Rock, Arkansas. His public statements on the matter were limited to exhorting the public to uphold the will of the courts and desegregate peacefully. The following article details his biography up to that time.

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New York Times, September 25, 1957, page 18

HE GUARDS THE PEACE

Edwin Anderson Walker

LITTLE ROCK, Sept. 24 -- Maj. Gen. Edwin Anderson Walker, who will be responsible for maintaining peace in Little Rock, was described by staff officers today as "tough, but fair." A tall, lean-visaged Texan, General Walker came to Little Rock only seven weeks ago as commander of the Arkansas Military District. He is still a stranger to the city. Today, General Walker was at his desk in a downtown office building at 7 A.M. He had not yet received formal orders to take over the Arkansas National Guard, but he knew what was coming. Already orders carrying his signature were being processed for the deployment of National Guard units. He will command a combined force of regulars and Federalized Guardsmen.

He stands 6 feet 3 inches in height. He is a bachelor and has been considered a prize for hostesses wherever he has been stationed. He was born in Center Point, Texas, on Nov. 10, 1909.

General Walker's favorite expression is "check," a word he snaps to indicate a mission has been accomplished or that he understands his orders.

As a member of the Special Services group, he was required to be a paratrooper. At his test, he approached a subordinate and asked:

"How do you put this thing on?"

He received a fast five-minute briefing and climbed into an airplane. He jumped, landed safe and snapped to the test officer: "Check."

General Walker is a combat officer. He has seen action in World War II and in Korea. He has carried out a number of unusual and hazardous assignments, particularly during World War II.

He started his military career as an artillery officer after he graduated from West Point in 1931. But he switched to commando operations during the war and led a special force of Canadians and Americans, in Italy and in France.

This outfit, trained for airborne, amphibious, mountain and ski operations, was called the Special Services Force.

General Walker led the Third Regiment, First Special Service Force, in its initial operation at Kiska during the Aleutians campaign. When the commandos were transferred to the Italian campaign, General Walker led the first Special Service Force in tough mountain fighting up the Italian peninsula and at Anzio beachhead.

A Surprise Landing

In August, 1944, his men made a surprise landing on the Hyeres Islands off the French Riviera and killed or captured a strong German garrison that could have jeopardized the Seventh Army landings on the mainland near by.

With the Hyeres occupied, his troops rejoined the main invasion force and moved up the Rhone Valley. Toward the end of the war he was detached from the commandos and placed in command of the 417 Infantry Regiment, a separate force attached to the Third Army. At V-E Day he was commanding a special task unit in Oslo.

Returning to the United States in January, 1946, General Walker served as assistant director of the combined arms department, Field Artillery School, Fort Sill, Okla. He was in charge of the Greek desk at the Pentagon during the Greek civil war and made an official visit to Greece and Turkey.

During the Korean War, General Walker commanded the Seventh Regiment of the Third Infantry Division and later was senior adviser to Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek. His last assignment before coming to Little Rock was as commanding general at the Twenty-fifth Artillery Division in Hawaii.

He holds the Silver Star and the Bronze Star with oak leaf cluster.

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This is the man arrested on four federal charges in Mississippi in 1962?

Those charges were:

Section 111-- For assault and resisting or other opposing Federal

officers, including marshals, in the performance of their duty.

Section 372-- For conspiracy to prevent a Federal officer from

discharging his duties.

Section 2383-- For inciting or engaging in an insurrection

against the United States.

Section 2384-- For conspiracy to overthrow or oppose by force

the execution of the laws of the United States.

A conspiracy is defined legally as including two or more persons.

On October 7, 1962, Walker posted $50,000 bond and returned home to Dallas amid 200 cheering supporters carrying signs like "Welcome Home, General Walker," "Win With General Walker," and "President '64."

On January 21, 1963, a federal grand jury in Oxford, Mississippi adjourned without indicting Walker on any of the four counts against him.

The Justice Department dismissed the charges "without prejudice" after the grand jury failed to indict. The dismissal "without prejudice" meant that the charges could be reinstated before the five year statute of limitations expired.

Walker and his supporters then went on the offensive. On April 2, 1963, a group called the Citizens Congressional Committee filed a petition with the Senate Judiciary Committee requesting an investigation of the treatment of "America's fearless patriot on the occasion of his incarceration at the instigation of the Department of Justice."

Nine days later, on April 9, Walker was sitting at his desk at home when the famous shooting incident occurred.

Meanwhile, the American Medical Association was receiving "a volume of letters from individual physicians" charging Dr. Charles E. Smith, the Army psychiatrist -- who commented on Walker's mental state at the time of the Oxford violence -- with unethical conduct: that he made an improper diagnosis without a personal examination. Dr. Smith was cleared by the AMA on July 4, 1963. He said that news stories of Walker's "reported behavior reflects sensitivity and essentially unpredictable and seemingly bizarre outbursts of the type often observed in individuals suffering with paranoid mental disorder." The society had received 2,500 letters from physicians alleging unethical conduct by Dr. Smith. Nevertheless, the board unanimously ruled in Smith's favor.

Walker then took his case to court, filing a total of $23 million dollars in libel damages against numerous media outlets alleging that they had made "false statements" and that their "suppression of truth was motivated by malice and a desire to hurt and harm him in his good reputation and blacken his good name." The statements in question were that he "led a charge of students against Federal marshals on the Ole Miss campus" and various other statements attributing to him a very active role in leading the insurrection such as "Walker assumed command of the crowd." A jury in Fort Worth awarded an $800,000 judgment against the Associated Press, ruling that malice was intended.

The offensive was also being taken up by Republicans in Congress in an alliance with Southern Democrats, who wanted to embarrass Attorney General Robert Kennedy because of his civils rights activities. The House Judiciary Committee voted on September 1, 1964 by a margin of 18 to 14 to open an investigation of the Justice Department's handling of cases including, but not limited to, those of Jimmy Hoffa, Roy M. Cohn, and former Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker. The vote among Republican and Southern Democratic committee members was 16-2; that of non-Southern Democrats was 2-12.

Meanwhile, a Louisiana jury awarded Walker $3 million in damages in another one of his libel suits.

His luck started to turn sour however, and finally on June 12, 1967, the Supreme Court ruled 9-0 extending the constitutional protection of freedom of the press to libelous falsehoods about private individuals who willingly take part in public affairs. Such protections were already in place concerning libel against political officials, but this was a landmark case extending the applicability to private individuals who willingly venture into the public arena. Walker's awards were overturned.

Chief Justice Warren explained, "Our citizenry has a legitimate and substantial interest in the conduct of such persons... Freedom of the press to engage in uninhibited debate about their involvement in public issues should be subject to derogatory criticism, even when based on false statements."

Walker's name occasionally surfaced in the press after this, usually in connection with anti-UN activities or in connection with the presidential campaign of George Wallace.

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APPENDIX

These articles concern the controversy about right-wing extremism in the

military in the early Sixties, specifically related to General Walker and

the Kennedy administration.

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New York Times, June 18, 1961, page 1

Right-Wing Officers Worrying Pentagon

by Cabell Philips

WASHINGTON, June 17 -- The Pentagon is having its troubles with right-wingers in uniform.

A number of officers of high and middle rank are indoctrinating their commands and the civilian population near their bases with political theories resembling those of the John Birch Society. They are also holding up to criticism and ridicule some official policies of the United States Government.

The most conspicuous example of some of these officers was Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker, who was officially "admonished" for his activities by the Secretary of the Army earlier this week.

General Walker's offense was in saying that a number of prominent Americans, as well as elements of the newspaper and television industries, were tainted with Communist ideology.

He did this in the course of a continuing effort that the general said was "designed to develop an understanding of the American military and civil heritage, responsibility toward that heritage and the facts and objectives of those enemies who would destroy it."

General Walker was the commander of the Twenty-Fourth Infantry Division in Germany at the time...

The problem for the Pentagon arises out of the fact that a number of its higher ranking officers have participated in or publically lent their support to a variety of so-called forums, schools, and seminars, ostensibly focused on the issues of national security. However, many of those groups -- at least incidentally -- are preoccupied with radically right-wing political philosophies.

Stress on Anti-Communism

The chief ingredient of these philosophies is often a militant anti-communism. The argument is that Communist subversion today is rife among the schools, the churches, labor unions, Government offices, and elsewhere.

In this argument, liberalism is equated with socialism and socialism with communism. Thus it opposes most welfare legislation, many programs for international cooperation such as foreign aid and disarmament conferences...

The genesis of this program goes back to the so-called "cold war policy" evolved by the National Security Council in the summer of 1958...

Cold War Widened

President Eisenhower and his top policy leaders decreed that the "cold war" could not be fought as a series of separate and often unrelated actions, as with foreign aid and propaganda. Rather, it must be fought with a concentration of all the resources of the Government and with the full understanding and support of the civilian population. It was decided, in particular, that the military should be used to reinforce the "cold war" effort.

This was the substance of the still-classified "cold-war policy" paper of the National Security Council...

Of the hundreds of military bases here and abroad, only a score have become involved in these programs to the point that they have caused alarm among the new civilian team in the Pentagon. Officials suspect, however, that the trend is somewhat more widespread than their reports currently indicate. They are quietly trying to find out how widespread it is.

A typical example about which they do know is a seminar labeled Project Action.

This was held at the Naval Air Station, Wold-Chamberlain Field, Minneapolis, on April 28 and 29 of this year. Capt. Robert T. Kieling is the commanding officer of the station. He was a co-sponsor of the program in collaboration with a committee of the Minneapolis-St. Paul Chamber of Commerce.

The official announcement described the program as follows:

"The purpose of Project Action is to inspire the citizens of this area to take an active part in the war against the danger that threatens our freedom and American way of life."

"The program of talks and presentations by nationally-known leaders for the cause of democracy will bring to light facts and figures concerning the rising crime rate, juvenile delinquency, drug addiction, the general degradation of morals, the complacent attitude toward patriotism, and the tremendous gains the Communist conspiracy is making in this country..."

The United States Naval Air Station is making facilities available for the seminar at the request of the Twin Cities Council for American Ideals...

Among the scores of letters concerning Project Action that reached the Pentagon in the following days was one from a newspaper editor. It said in part:

"Perhaps someone can clear up for us our lack of understanding as to just how co-sponsorship of such activities fits in with the Navy mission, or the overall military mission, for that matter. It must be admitted that the local Project Action is politically partisan in a very real sense, although the partisanship is not that of the party label type." ...

Among numerous other incidents that have been brought to the attention of the Defense Department is the "Fourth Dimensional Warfare Seminar" held in Pittsburgh on April 15. Among those listed as giving "assistance and support" to the program were Lieut. Gen. Ridgely Gaither, Commanding General, Second Army, and Maj. Gen. Ralph C. Cooper, Commanding General of the Twenty-First Army Corps, and their respective staffs...

"This sort of thing, if carried far enough among susceptible people, can breed a wave of vigilantism and witch-hunting," one Pentagon official said. "Even Mr. Hoover of the F.B.I., whom nobody would call 'soft on communism,' deplores these self-appointed counter-spies." ...

Reinforcing his point, he took from his desk a memorandum from Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, which has been circulated as "guidance" throughout the services. In part, it said:

"After the President has taken a position, has established a policy, or after appropriate officials in the Defense Department have established a policy, I expect that no member of the department, either civilian or

military, will discuss that policy other than in a way to support it before the public." ...

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New York Times, September 8, 1961

McNamara Refuses to Identify Individual Censors in Pentagon

But He Gives Senators a List of Security Staff --

Thurmond Voices Criticism of Policy on Anti-Red Speeches

WASHINGTON, Sept. 7 -- Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara refused today to give the name of the person in the Pentagon immediately responsible for deleting anti-Communist statements from speeches by an Army general.

He did provide a roster of the twelve-man security and review staff, which clears speeches. But he declined to identify particular individuals in the section who had made specific deletions.

The demand for this information was made by Senator Strom Thurmond, Democrat of South Carolina, at the close of hearings before the Senate Armed Services Committee on his resolution for a full investigation of charges that military officers have been "muzzled." ...

It was also learned today that Gen. Edwin A. Walker, deposed last spring from his command in Europe because of the nature of his troop indoctrination program, had pleaded the military equivalent of the Fifth Amendment's guarantee against self-incrimination during the investigation of his case by the Army Inspector General...

The entire transcript of the proceedings involving General Walker, which runs to more than 900 pages, is in the process of being declassified by the Department of Defense...

Senator Thurmond's inquiry today related to a speech prepared for delivery last March by Gen. Arthur G. Trudeau, Chief of Army Research. In testimony today it was indicated that the excisions had the effect of softening the general's blunt criticism of Soviet policies and tactics.

Mr. McNamara said that the justifications for the changes was that negotiations were then going on with the Russians for release of the downed RB-47. It was regarded as impolitic at the time, he explained, to provoke the Russians unnecessarily...

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New York Times, November 19, 1961, page 1

KENNEDY ASSERTS FAR-RIGHT GROUPS PROVOKE DISUNITY

Attacks Birch Society and 'Minutemen' at a Party Dinner in Los Angeles

Spread of Fear Scored

President Says Real Threat Comes From Without, Not Within

by Tom Wicker

LOS ANGELES, Nov. 18-- President Kennedy spoke out tonight against the right-wing John Birch Society and the so-called Minutemen in a speech at a Democratic Party dinner here.

The President mentioned neither group by name but left no doubt whom he meant.

[in Atlanta, Senator Barry Goldwater, Arizona Republican, attacked

the "radicals in the White House." At a news conference, he called

President Kennedy the "wagon master" who is "riding on the left

wheel all the time."]

The President, in his talk at the Hollywood Palladium, also made his first public response to Edward M. Dealey, publisher of the Dallas Morning News. Mr. Dealey attacked the President at a White House luncheon for "riding Caroline's tricycle" instead of being "a man on horseback."

Some 'Escape Responsibility'

"There have always been those fringes of our society who have sought to escape their own responsibility by finding a simple solution, an appealing slogan or a convenient scapegoat," Mr. Kennedy said.

Now, he continued, "men who are unwilling to face up to the danger from without are convinced that the real danger comes from within."

"They look suspiciously at their neighbors and their leaders," he declared. "They call for a 'man on horseback' because they do not trust the people. They find treason in our finest churches, in our highest court, and even in the treatment of our water."

"They equate the Democratic Party with the welfare state, the welfare state with socialism, and socialism with communism. They object quite rightly to politics' intruding on the military -- but they are anxious for the military to engage in politics." ...

Mr. Kennedy chose a region in which the John Birch Society has some of its strongest support to make his third and sharpest attack on what he called tonight "the discordant voices of extremism."

In the first two speeches, at Chapel Hill, N. C., and Seattle, he also warned against left-wing and pacifist extremists. His remarks tonight were directed to far-right groups and individuals.

The reference to "armed bands of civilian guerillas" appeared to be directed at the Minutemen, individual groups of which are being organized and armed in some parts of the country. The organization is reputed to be particularly strong in California.

Los Angeles is regarded as almost the heartland of the Birch Society. Two Republican Representatives from its urban districts, John H. Rousselot and Edgar W. Hiestland, are avowed members. ...

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New York Times, November 19, 1961, page 54

RIGHTISTS PICKET KENNEDY SPEECH

3,000 Parade in Los Angeles in Orderly Demonstration

LOS ANGELES, Nov. 18-- Raucous picketing took place outside the Hollywood Palladium where President Kennedy spoke.

For nearly an hour, 3,000 persons paraded, carrying signs and chanting and singing their protests over a variety of issues.

The demonstration, which started rather mildly five hours before the President spoke, was suddenly stepped up by an apparent influx of rightists.

Some of the signs carried by men and women wearing red, white, and blue paper hats, read: "Unmuzzle the Military," "Clean Up the State Department," "Veto Tito," "Disarmament is Suicide," and "CommUNism is Our Enemy."

The marchers sporadically chanted "Test the Bomb," and, "No Aid to Tito." They sang, among other things, "God Bless America" and "The Battle Hymn of the Republic."

A much smaller contingent of pacifist marchers was elbowed out. Most of these carried signs urging the end of all atomic testing...

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New York Times, November 19, 1961, page 54

Eisenhower Travels Aloft With Kennedy

SHERMAN, Tex. Nov. 18 (AP) -- President Kennedy and former President Dwight D. Eisenhower rode together to Perrin Air Force Base near here by helicopter today after attending the funeral of Sam Rayburn at near-by Bonham.

Senator Carl Hayden, Democrat of Arizona, was also on the helicopter.

Mr. Kennedy and General Eisenhower stood together talking by the side of the aircraft for about two minutes. Mr. Kennedy gestured repeatedly with his left hand and appearing to be explaining something to General Eisenhower. General Eisenhower listened intently and shook his head affirmatively several times.

They shook hands. Mr. Kennedy then walked briskly to his plane and General Eisenhower got into an Air Force automobile.

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New York Times, November 24, 1961, page 1

Eisenhower Says Officers Should Stay Out of Politics

Assails Extremists In TV Interview

Former President Dwight D. Eisenhower last night urged officers of the armed services to shun partisan politics.

Speaking as a General of the Army, he declared it was "bad practice -- very bad" for an officer, even when testifying under oath before a committee of Congress, to express opinions "on political matters or economic matters that are contrary to the President's." ...

The former President was blunt in discussing the recent "rise of extremists" in the country.

"I don't think the United States needs super-patriots," he declared. "We need patriotism, honestly practiced by all of us, and we don't need these people that are more patriotic than you or anybody else."

His definition of extremists embraced those who would "go back to eliminating the income tax from our laws and the rights of people to unionize... [and those] advocating some form of dictatorship." It also included those who "make radical statements [and] attack people of good repute who are proved patriots."

At that point, Walter Cronkite of the C.B.S. news staff, who conducted the interview, asked about the "military man's role in our modern political life." He did not cite, but obviously referred to, the case of Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker, who stirred up a controversy that led to his "admonishment" for the political nature of the indoctrination of his troops. General Walker lated resigned from the Army.

"I believe the Army officer, Navy officer, Air officer," General Eisenhower said, "should not be talking about political matters, particularly domestically, and never in the international field, unless he is asked to do so because of some particular position he might hold." ...

The general declared there was hope for disarmament and better East-West relations. As the Russian standard of living improves, the Russian people will begin to understand that there is another way of life, he said...

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Four days after JFK's announcement, a group of right-wing nuts comprised of businessmen and ex and current military officers, met in New Orleans as the "Congress For Freedom". One of those businessmen was William B. Reilly, who owned the William B. Reilly Coffee Company and was a financial supporter of all kinds of right-wing causes. Among the topics discussed at this two day event were the assassinations of JFK, RFK and Dr. King. The fact that there were active military officers present indicates to me that the assassination of the President was being discussed at military levels.

A week after this meeting, a fake assassination attempt is staged against Gen. Walker. Less than two weeks later, Oswald is off to New Orleans, presumably to gather information on the plot to kill JFK. He gets a job at (of all places) the William B. Reilly Coffee Co. as a mechanic. According to witnesses, he doesn't spend much time there though and instead hangs out at Adrian Alba's garage across the street, where he questions Alba regarding mail-order guns.

To bolster my claim of Oswald being an informant, Alba claimed that he saw Oswald receive an "envelope" from a "Secret Service" man from Washington. Alba further claimed that this man met Oswald twice, my experience telling me that the first meeting was to pass to Oswald pictures of individuals or informaton that they needed, the second meeting was for Oswald to deliver and receive payment for services rendered.

Keep in mind that it is during this time that the training camp at Lake Ponchartrain is operational (in violation of Kennedy's orders), and that a team of shooters is being trained at the CIA facilities in the Florida Keys. The same team that will move into Ponchartrain shortly before Oswald arrives there, as a guest of David Ferrie.

Exactly a week after Oswald's arrival, the FBI raids the camp. Several days later, Oswald is in Carlos Bringuier's store trying to find out where the "kill team" is now training. But Bringuier pegs him as an FBI informant and tells him nothing.

A couple of days later, having been identified as the "rat" on the Ponchartrain camp, Oswald is sent by Bannister to pass out pro-Castro handbills on a New Orleans streetcorner, where he is filmed by a man named John Martin from St. Paul, Minnesota. Martin is a friend of General Walker's.

When an ensuing scuffle breaks out between Oswald and the anti-Castro Cubans, the resulting arrests give General Walker and his co-conspirators the proof they need to connect Oswald to Castro. It comes in the form of official records, an audio radio interview and a video recording.

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Buchanan rewrites history

Buchanan appears to not be a very deep thinker, either that or he has reasons for tailoring reality in order to argue his case. Krennedy's approach to civil rights was a marked change from the previous administration. Johnson faced up to the inevitable that Kennedy had chosen to go into the 64 elections with : a legislation driven approach to civil Rights. He had declared an end to waiting...

The idea that these right wingers were not prepared to face death around the issue of segregation is equally absurd. These were the backers, instigators of the insurrection of 62, they supported organisations that regularly did things that made candidates for death penalty. This is why they may have appeared to not be overly concerned with the blacks in Dallas, : through bitter history, they knew their place!

63 ' Texas is the south, a south where General Walker can call on men from other states and have them respond. With guns.

From John Simkins topic on Buchanan:

Thomas G. Buchanan looks at the motives of the conspirators. Remember, this was published in May, 1964.

"1. On civil rights, despite the fact that Lyndon Johnson is a Southerner, there is no overwhelming difference between the martyred President and his successor. Johnson is, by Southern standards, rather liberal in his approach to civil rights. He is no Dixiecrat; he certainly can be expected to pursue a policy of gradual extension of desegregation practically indistinguishable from the previous administration. It is for this reason that I have not even bothered to discuss the possibility that Kennedy was murdered by pro-segregationists. I find no evidence at all which would sustain this thesis. Anti-Negro sentiment, of course, plays an important part in furnishing a mass basis for extreme right-wing activity in the United States, just as anti-Semitism did in Germany, during the rise of Hitler. Thyssen was not, however, motivated by his anti-Semitism, but by certain economic objectives in which he thought the Nazis would serve a useful purpose. I do not believe that any Texas millionaire would risk electrocution to finance the President's assassination for such motives. He would have no contact with the Negro population of his State, who represent a mere 12 per cent of those who live in Texas. Dallas is not Birmingham, and Texas is not Mississippi. The right-wing of Dallas is inflamed against the Reds; it scarcely notices the Blacks' existence."

The FBI, (whos members past and present were part of the anti integration fighti) dentified the communist with the civil rights activist in no uncertain terms

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