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Here is a bet, Wim, Paul and Mark will post in no other sections of the Forum, and in no other threads on this one except those directly relating to James Files. They are completely uninterested in the broader picture relating to the assassination, or the Socio/Political climate that surrounds it. this isn't research,its a cult, and one wholely driven by financial considerations..Steve.

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The Carone story is interresting no doubt about it Wim,

and I think the majority of the readers are not surprised

to learn that the US (or) other governments,agencies

and the military, can do whatever they like in order

to create a reality as they want it to be.

But !!!

What has that to do with Files, I may ask you.

Because:

Files can not:

Remember his own military ID

Name soldiers he trained or served with

Name his training class number while in jumpschool

Files has not:

Shown his jump school diploma

Shown any other paperwok that connects him to the military between 1959 and 1960

Shown any picture of him in military uniform from that time

Was not ever seen by anyone either in person or on pictures, wearing

a uniform.

Files description of his training:

Is BS, according to paras who did train at the same time

and place he claimed to have done.

Files description of his way and stay to Laos:

Is BS, according to soldiers who did serve at the same time and

place as Files claims he did

The 82nd historian I talked to, told me, Files description of his military

endevours, does not fit the official record.

But then, they are all liars, including me, and part of the Files and maybe also JFK coverup,excluding me, or could there be another explanation ?

Wim ?

Uwe, to me you are the living example that the CIA's strategy to pull records, is a good one.

Watch this and go to where the ticker says: 00:40:00:00

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/film/jimmya.wmv

"Where have they tried to discredit your story? ........."

Mark

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Here is a bet, Wim, Paul and Mark will post in no other sections of the Forum, and in no other threads on this one except those directly relating to James Files. They are completely uninterested in the broader picture relating to the assassination, or the Socio/Political climate that surrounds it. this isn't research,its a cult, and one wholely driven by financial considerations..Steve.

A provable display of ignorance opposed by the facts. No need to respond further.

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=52418

Wim

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Wim,

of course I find what you posted about Carone interresting,

I know the reality as presented by the higher-ups is not necessarily

the truth, more often it is a lie I dare to think.

I did read it already on your forum, a forum I might add

were I am a longtime member, who has never violated any

rules, yet am not allowed to post there.

You might go over the post you made here on this forum, where

you said, as long as no forum rules are violated, one should

allow people to post.

Double standart Wim ?

Back to Files:

I know we have gone through this more than once, but you were

never in the past able to show me why my standpoint is wrong.

So I thought I better ask if anything has changed, why, well

because I am interrested.

If the military number Files Grady made his search on, was given to

Vernon by Files, then he was already serving during WW2, that is

how it looks.

Absent any conclusive evidence coming from your side, it does not

mean a coverup has taken place, could have been the case, but

is not proven.

Grady never named the one who told him by full name as far as I know.

I think in my posts on Lancer about Files, Grady and his findings,

I provided enough conclusive evidence, that even you (jfkmurdersolved)

can't decide on what the facts are about Files military past.

Files went to the military as Sutton, yet Grady only found information

about a James Files serving in WW2.

And you don't see that as problematic, because you are convinced

that "they" have pulled and re-issued Suttons papers under the

Files name.

Yeah sure, whatever you need to glue the Files thing together.

Btw. have you ever checked if the Files Grady found was a

relative of our James Files ?

I ask because I remember, without looking it up again now, that

the deceased James Files lived in the same county (?) in which

our James Files was born.

Now about calling me a xxxx again Wim,call me whatever you want,

it won't change the essence of what I said, namely that Files

military past is unproven as of today and that is a fact, otherwise

you would have long provided proof for his claims.

You believe him, I don't, in the absence of proof, we are both

entitled to see the relevance of your findings different, aren't we ?

But you state things as if they were proven facts, that are in fact unproven, they are your

believes Wim, and you are attacking persons on the internet just because they do not believe

in what you believe in, and that is the problem I have with you.

Do compare the actions of fanatics, be it religious or otherwise, who they act towards

persons who believe otherwise than they do, then take the time reading your posts

on the internet.

Are you Files fanatic Wim ?

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Quote Wim

You may have been talking to the wrong "historians"

End of quote

Don't think so Wim, talked to the right one, no doubt about it. :D

Quote Mark "Belfour" Johannsen

Uwe, to me you are the living example that the CIA's strategy to pull records, is a good one.

End of quote

No Mark, if at all, I am a living example of a person who does not take anything hook line and sinker,

contrary to you, and you know that pretty well.

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Uwe, If I am anything fanatic, I am a truth fanatic.

I have explained to you why you won't be on my forum.

As you know, it's even on my website.

The "wrecked mind" now comes on top of that.

Sure you can believe what you want. I do however believe that your "beliefs" are greatly emotionally impacted.

Wim

You asked again about John Grady? Here's more on the military records.

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1098.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1099.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1100.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1101.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1102.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1103.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1104.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1105.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1106.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1107.JPG

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That has nothing to do with emotions Wim,

but you are right, it is about truth.

And truth is, you have no proof for Files

center claims.

So, if you are such a truth fanatic, why do you post

lies about me on your webiste then ?

If you are a truth fanatic, why can I not post

on your forum, when I never violated any rules ?

I am a living example of your double standart

in that regard Wim don't forget that ever.

You made your smear page of which I am a part of out

of revenge Wim, you acted like a little child after you

were banned from Lancer, and it didn't surprise me,

in fact I predicted it.

But hey, that is past, let's talk Files.

Grady had finaly proven that Files was telling the truth about his

military past exactly how ?

I mean Wim, come on, Files may remember his military ID,

but what about his army buddies, the pictures, the jumpschool

diploma, the birth certificate he would have needed as he

was a minor etc. etc. .

Files never hinted that he was in one way or the other

a part of covert things before he entered the military.

So I would say it is save to assume, that the same

procedures of entering as a minor would have been

applied in his case.

So, where is his birth certificate and the letter of consent

from his parents mentioned in his description ?

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Gee Uwe, you should check if a false statement can be disproven before you make it.

We both know I wasn't banned from Lancer. I stepped back myself. Don't you remember my goodbye post?

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/goodbye.htm

You just called me a "wrecked mind", then quickly erased that, and you want to be on my forum?

Which part is not true that I write about you on my website?

Wim

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Uwe, If I am anything fanatic, I am a truth fanatic.

I have explained to you why you won't be on my forum.

As you know, it's even on my website.

The "wrecked mind" now comes on top of that.

Sure you can believe what you want. I do however believe that your "beliefs" are greatly emotionally impacted.

Wim

You asked again about John Grady? Here's more on the military records.

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1098.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1099.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1100.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1101.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1102.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1103.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1104.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1105.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1106.JPG

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/serial/IMG_1107.JPG

My impression from the first document attached is that the military recrods are for a James Earl Files. My understanding was that Sutton did not change his name to Files until the end of 1963. Would not his original enlistment in 1959 and corrresponding service records have been under the name Sutton?

Regards,

Philip

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Wim wrote:

"Dawn, a fortwith opinion. What do you know to judge that my thinking is clouded and influenced by money? Have you still not learned how much I despise that line? My true friends never use it. They know better. "

From a source I do not consider very reliable, I was told that Wim is indeed WEALTHY,

and lives in a nation where pornography is legal. Wim can guess who told me this.

Jack

Mr. White, are you insane???

You are crossing a line here!

Wim is a personal friend of me and indeed is wealthy, he made a now famous computer-brand big and famous...

Pornography legal overhere? Do you know the US has THE BIGGEST PORN-INDUSTRY in the world???

Do you also know there is this hacker who every day signs in as a new member and posts all porn-links? And he does that 10-20 times? I bet you know more about that? Or other Files dis-believers?

Common' : stop this childish mud-throwing and go debate with Wim, I bet you loose! Not because Wim is such a good debater (which he is!) but because Wim has the truth at his side....

And you obviously don't!

Just keep on posting your photo-alternation crazyness...

Gr. Paul.

I said this was from an UNRELIABLE SOURCE...one of Wim's enemies

is spreading this, in case you don't know. I did not make it up.

Porn is a source of much wealth...like Larry Flynt and even Hugh Hefner.

Whether Wim is one of them I do not know, but I would not hold that

against him. Promoting false stories is far more serious than spreading sex.

Many people think porn is OK, but much of it DOES offend the sensitive.

Some is quite beautiful, some is godawful ugly and offensive.

The biggest industry ON THE INTERNET is porn, according to some

statistics I have seen. As I recall, the biggest porn producers are in

Japan, Britain, Germany, Russia and the US, in no particular order.

I am sorry you took offense at my posting. It's just what some say.

Jack

I am flabbergasted with Jack White's vile suggestions and allegations towards Wim Dankbaar and The Netherlands. Wim advised me to just ignore them because they are too low to dignify with a response. I agree wholeheartedly. However, I am wondering where such hostility is coming from. I think it's because Wim can so convincingly debunk a number of Jack's "discoveries". For example , he has proven - at least to me - that Mr White's "badgeman" is a persistent false myth, just like the myth that William Greer shot JFK with a pistol.

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/images/moorman-drawing2.JPG

A simple analysis of the dimensions of the alledged persons in the complete Moorman picture. This picture with the outline of the persons drawn in, tells you that the "figures" are kidsize and despite that, "Badgeman" is towering over the picket fence. A normal person can just stick his head and the tip of the shoulders over it. In other words the sizes alone debunk the possibility that these "figures" are humans. They are in fact blobs, spots and shadows. Who had ever thought I would agree with Gary Mack that Jack's "Badgeman" is intriguing, but inconclusive?

I am sure that if Jack looks at the clouds he also sees things, animals and faces. Didn't we all? Especially when we were kids?

Gr. Paul

You are unaware of Wim's vicious unprovoked attacks on me on

the DellaRosa forum that became so severe that Rich was forced

to ban him from further participation. All because I disagreed

with his rantings about Judyth and Files!

Regarding badgeman, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Jack

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Uwe, If I am anything fanatic, I am a truth fanatic.

Wim:

A truth fanatic, eh?

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f Pitzer committed suicide, the world is flat. He was lefthanded... And what also comes from that recently surfaced FBI report: he was shot twice in the head, the first apparently did not kill him. That's a little difficult with suicide, is it not?

And by the way, Pitzer HAD his own film and copies of the autopsy photographs, showing a clear neat little entrance wound in JFK's right temple. He was scared to death what to do with them, but he allegedly wanted to make them public upon his (soon to be) retirement.

...

Wim

(excerpted from http://www.jfk-info.com/discus/messages/23...html?1020118818 )

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-- Where is your proof that LCDR Pitzer was left-handed?

-- Where is your proof that he was shot twice in the head?

-- Where is your proof that he had his own film and photographs from the JFK autopsy?

-- Where is your proof that he was scared to death?

-- Where is your proof that he intended to make the JFK photographic materials public on his retirement?

Your "truth" is what other people say and what fits your agenda.

Allan Eaglesham

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Gee Uwe, you should check if a false statement can be disproven before you make it.

We both know I wasn't banned from Lancer. I stepped back myself. Don't you remember my goodbye post?

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/goodbye.htm

You just called me a "wrecked mind", then quickly erased that, and you want to be on my forum?

Which part is not true that I write about you on my website?

Wim

According to your standart, as voiced on this forum recently, and also in your forum rules,

you have no justifiacation IMO to prevent me from posting on your forum, I am a member there,

been for a long time, never violated any rules, am I wrong ?

Just a yes or no would be ok.

So, you are revengefull Wim, that is all that is behind it, at least it seems to me.

I even had the OK from Mr. Clemens (Clemons ?) you at that time admin

I think, but it seems you whistled him back, and after that, he didn't even

answer my mails, although he said he would be glad to discuss Files with me (as far as I remember).

Wim I told you before, I edit my post the way I want it and whenever I want it, that is my freedom,

my way of writing is, let it all out, sit back, think again, then go over it , and soften when needed, make

additions, or delete things, change wording completely.

I call it a creative approach, works faster for me and after all, I am not a realy good speaker/writer, and do have a very limited wording in english (to my own standard).

So please, do not try to change my way of writing, it may confuse me.

The wrecked mind of yours, well sometimes you leave the impression you have such a problem Wim,

your reactions when asked for proof in the Files case, very strange, seems you have none and need

to attack to camouflage it.

Clever or wrecked mind, the reader may decide, in any way, it hasn't brought forward the James Files

case one centimeter IMO.

See, here we are talking about me again, when the issue is Files, you are right, I love to talk about me,myself and my monkey,but does it help bringing the case forward ?

Don't think so, therefore back to the issue

Have you provided the Dutch or American police with the name of the Tippit killer yet ?

If not can you provide the readers here with your arguments for covering up an accused

cop killer ?

Thank you !

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Have you provided the Dutch or American police with the name of the Tippit killer yet ?

If not can you provide the readers here with your arguments for covering up an accused

cop killer ?

***************

I don't know the name of the Tippit killer. All I know he was an agent of David Phillips.

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/images/filesx.jpg

At some point I thought it was Leroy Young.

But hey, you're not even interested in the name of the JFK killer. Why bother?

By the way, even if I would know and give it to the proper authorities, they would ignore it.

Wim

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Have you provided the Dutch or American police with the name of the Tippit killer yet ?

If not can you provide the readers here with your arguments for covering up an accused

cop killer ?

***************

I don't know the name of the Tippit killer. All I know he was an agent of David Phillips.

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/images/filesx.jpg

At some point I thought it was Leroy Young.

But hey, you're not even interested in the name of the JFK killer. Why bother?

By the way, even if I would know and give it to the proper authorities, they would ignore it.

Wim

So Files won't name the guy then, my error, I thought he did, maybe Pamela or Brycheck know

more.

Did you ask his ex-wife about both pictures (Oswald Dallas and Tippit Killer), and when and where they were shot, maybe she knows the guys name and can provide further details.

What let's you to believe that I am not interrested in knowing the name(s) of JFK killer(s),

because I don't believe in James Files claims anymore ?

That is a stupid remark from you Wim and you know it.

In this case almost everything is possible Wim,and that is the great fascination I see in that

case.

Although you think you have the answer, you are just another one of the many

persons who think so, so you are nothing special in that sense.

Nothing is proven in regard of the shooter(s), and I do not even rule out

Oswald as the sole shooter, although my personal opinion leads me away

from Oswald, objectively I can not rule him out.

Maybe that is the difference in our thinking Wim, I can seperate subectivity

and objectivity, and even if I believe in something, without hard facts to prove

it, I will never look the other way when it comes to being objectiv.

James Files in your subjective impression tells the truth, but objectivity should

tell you, you stand there empty handed,because you can not prove it.

Got me ?

Look Wim, put your proof on the table, pick up the

best brained researchers from both side of the fence, let them look it through, let them

discuss it amongst each others and with you, outside of the internet forums.

Do listen to opposing standpoints, think about it objectively.

Once they have finished , let us know what their opinion about the proof situation is

and why you eventualy see it different.

Everything else is realy like being on the same merry go round, over and over again.

As I said on previous occassions, you do some very good research and I do follow that

whenever you post something,I do not agree with everything, but I do find most of

it interresting.

But on the other hand when it comes to Files and Baker, and this I may not have said before, you are such an stuborn (sp ?) idiot Wim, why, because you make yourself look like a complete JFK nutcase,

what's next Wim, did the Aliens do it, once Marrs comes up with "evidence" pointing in that direction ?

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Uwe,

You have now added "nutcase", "stubborn idiot" and more to the stack. And you wonder why you're not welcome on my forum? Why would you even want to be there? I rest my case.

Maybe you should watch Ed Haslam and Anna Lewis again?

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/haslam1.htm

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/lewis.htm

BTW, are you going to give it a try and tell me what's untrue what I wrote about you on my website?

You know, I like to keep things factual, so if I made a mistake, I will stand corrected.

Wim

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