Photo of "Barry and the Boys"

[Thomas Graves]

Has anyone ever identified the two men standing at the far end of the table in the famous photo of Barry and the Boys taken in Mexico City? At first I thought they were just very elegantly-dressed waiters or restaurant managers, etc, but now I think they might have been two of "da Boys." Any thoughts?

Thanks, Thomas

[Ron Ecker]

I don't have the photo handy, but I don't think it is known for sure who any of the people are, with the exception of Tosh Plumlee, who has said that he is the one partially hiding his face. As I recall, Tosh said that the photo was taken sometime in the late '60s, not 1963. One person is said to resemble Porter Goss. There's no way to tell if it's him. The man on the front left end of the table is said to be Felix Rodriguez, and the one on the right front end is said to be William Seymour. Both IDs are ridiculous, IMO. It's like saying that Frenchy was Charles Rogers.

[Thomas Graves]

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Thanks Ron,

The second guy from the front on the left side sure looks like Porter Goss to me. By turning his head and looking up at a sharp angle, I think he was making a subtle attempt (compared to Sturgis/Plumlee sitting directly across from him) to conceal his identity. I think this photo was taken totally unexpectedly and it caught all of the people in it somewhat off guard. I'm still wondering who the two gentlemen are who are standing at the far end of the table....

Thanks, Thomas

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Edited November 25, 2005 by Thomas Graves

[Thomas Graves]

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Thanks Ron,

The second guy from the front on the left side sure looks like Porter Goss to me. By turning his head and looking up at a sharp angle, I think he was making a subtle attempt (compared to Sturgis/Plumlee sitting directly across from him) to conceal his identity. I think this photo was taken totally unexpectedly and it caught all of the people in it somewhat off guard. I'm still wondering who the two gentlemen are who are standing at the far end of the table....

Thanks, Thomas

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Does anyone recognize either of the two men standing at the end of the table?

Thanks, Thomas

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Thanks Ron,

The second guy from the front on the left side sure looks like Porter Goss to me. By turning his head and looking up at a sharp angle, I think he was making a subtle attempt (compared to Sturgis/Plumlee sitting directly across from him) to conceal his identity. I think this photo was taken totally unexpectedly and it caught all of the people in it somewhat off guard. I'm still wondering who the two gentlemen are who are standing at the far end of the table....

Thanks, Thomas

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http://www.madcowprod.com/new_page_9.htm

Does anyone recognize either of the two men standing at the end of the table?

Thanks, Thomas (thanks to madcowprod.com)

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Edited November 25, 2005 by Thomas Graves

[John Dolva]

Thomas, I'm not familiar with any of these guys. The observations I can offer are what you probably already have noted. Namely, age difference, bow tie versus ordinary ties, and a vest on one of the far end guys. It also seems to me that the taller who's face is cut off has a suit that is different in style/cloth. Perhaps all those go to indicating not part of the 'party'?

[Thomas Graves]

Thomas, I'm not familiar with any of these guys. The observations I can offer are what you probably already have noted. Namely, age difference, bow tie versus ordinary ties, and a vest on one of the far end guys. It also seems to me that the taller who's face is cut off has a suit that is different in style/cloth. Perhaps all those go to indicating not part of the 'party'?

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Hi John,

Thanks for the input. I agree that the bow ties and the vest do seem out of place. IMHO, however, the style/cloth of the suit worn by the tall guy is fits in "OK."

Do you agree with me that the guy sitting on the left side, second from the front, face in profile, looking upwards is our friend P.G.?

Thanks, Thomas

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[Ron Ecker]

FWIW here's a link to a post by Tosh Plumlee from an October 2004 thread. (For whatever reason Tosh no longer posts on the forum.) Tosh doesn't specifically mention the two men you have asked about, but he says he was there (the one partially hiding his face) and tells what he knows about the photo.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...931entry10931

[John Dolva]

Thomas, I'm not familiar with any of these guys. The observations I can offer are what you probably already have noted. Namely, age difference, bow tie versus ordinary ties, and a vest on one of the far end guys. It also seems to me that the taller who's face is cut off has a suit that is different in style/cloth. Perhaps all those go to indicating not part of the 'party'?

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Hi John,

Thanks for the input. I agree that the bow ties and the vest do seem out of place. IMHO, however, the style/cloth of the suit worn by the tall guy is fits in "OK."

Do you agree with me that the guy sitting on the left side, second from the front, face in profile, looking upwards is our friend P.G.?

Thanks, Thomas

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Thomas, it's difficult for me to compare photos from different age groups. Some changes that tend to occur with men are longer ears, more prominent noses, loss of bone in jaw > smaller jaws which contribute to appearance other features being more prominent. The slightly more prominent and down pointing nose of the older Goss may be a result of this aging. On the whole I must say I don't know, it could be but also it may not be. (This is not a statement that it is, and also not a stement that it isn't.) Unless better images and other supporting evidence becomes available I feel it must be only guesswork. Worth pursuing of course.

John

(With the jacket I was looking at the shinier lapel, that may indicate more formal wear, however other lapels exhibit a degree of shininess too.)