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They could have been questioning the cousin of Jefferson Davis on subjects which ranged from the JFK Assassination, to Ambassadorships to England, to potentially new revelations regarding George DeMohrenschildt, to questions of involvement in Iraq, to I. G. Farben.

Considering the apparant distaste for President Bush, I am suprised at the complete lack of pursuit of these subjects while the opportunity existed.

Tom

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They could have been questioning the cousin of Jefferson Davis on subjects which ranged from the JFK Assassination, to Ambassadorships to England, to potentially new revelations regarding George DeMohrenschildt, to questions of involvement in Iraq, to I. G. Farben.

Considering the apparant distaste for President Bush, I am suprised at the complete lack of pursuit of these subjects while the opportunity existed.

Tom

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Farish

William S. Farish III (born March 17, 1939) is an American millionaire, a previous U.S. Ambassador to the United Kingdom (2001-2004), member of the Council of American Ambassadors, a horse-breeder, a chairman of Churchill Downs, major Republican Party donor, and family friend of President George W. Bush for several decades. He was awarded an honorary Doctor of Laws from the University of Kentucky in 2003.

Farish was nominated by President George W. Bush as U.S. Ambassador to the United Kingdom on March 5, 2001, appointed on July 11, 2001 and served until he resigned in early summer, 2004.

"The special relationship that the United States shares with Great Britain will be further strengthened with Will Farish as my representative. Will understands the important place that Britain holds for the United States as a trusted ally and key trading partner. I have full confidence that he will serve our country well," said President Bush.

He was criticised in the UK for his low profile during the period leading up to the Iraq

Farish was born in Houston, Texas in 1939. His father, William S. Farish Jr., was killed in an airplane accident during World War II. He is the grandson of William Stamps Farish II, who was President of Standard Oil from 1937 to 1942.

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http://www.houstonhistory.com/whoswho/history25hof.htm

William Stamps Farish

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http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online...es/FF/ffa7.html

FARISH, WILLIAM STAMPS (1881-1942). William Stamps Farish, pioneer in East Texas oilfield development, was born in Mayersville, Mississippi, on February 23, 1881, the grandnephew of Jefferson Davisqv and son of William Stamps and Katherine (Power) Farish. He attended school at St. Thomas Hall, an Episcopal preparatory school at Holly Springs, Mississippi. After receiving a law degree from the University of Mississippi in 1900, he practiced law for three months at Clarksdale, Mississippi, before moving to Beaumont, Texas, when oil was discovered at the Spindletop oilfield.qv He became supervisor of wells for Texas Oil Fields, Limited, an English syndicate. The next year he organized the Brown-Farish Oil Company, which did contract drilling and traded in oil. The firm became bankrupt at Brown's death, but Farish succeeded in borrowing money to pay creditors. By 1904 Farish and Robert Lee Blaffer had formed a partnership to do contract drilling and lease trading. The next year Blaffer and Farish moved to Houston to be nearer the Humble field. In 1915 Farish became president of the Gulf Coast Producers Association and subsequently was named president of the Texas-Louisiana Oil and Gas Association. In March 1917 he and others organized the Humble Oil and Refining Company (later Exxon Company, U.S.A.qv). Farish served as vice president for five years and in 1922 became president. In 1933 he became chairman of the board of Standard Oil Company of New Jersey, which held substantial stock interest in Humble, and in 1937 he became president of Standard. He was one of the founders of the American Petroleum Institute and served as its president in 1926. At the beginning of World War IIqv Farish was a member of the National Petroleum Industry War Council. He was married to Libbie Randon Rice in Houston on June 1, 1911; they had a son and a daughter. Farish died on November 29, 1942, in Millbrook, New York, while visiting friends; he was buried in Houston.

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http://jeffersondavis.rice.edu/gene.cfm

--William Stamps Farish

(1843-99; 6 children

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Stamps_Farish_II

William Stamps Farish (1881 February 23 Mayersville, Mississippi to 1942 November 29 Millbrook NY)

Son of William Stamps Farish (1843-1899) and Katherine Maude Power (1860-1931)[1], cousin of Jefferson Davis [2] (For unknown reasons, his father is not usually counted in the sequence.)

He married Libbie Randon Rice in Houston on 1911 June 1. They had a son and a daughter. He was a founding member of the American Petroleum Institute and was its president in 1926.

Farish, with others, founded Humble Oil in March 1917; it was eventually absorbed by Standard Oil/Exxon. In 1933 he became chairman of the board of Standard's New Jersey division, and in 1937 became Standard's general president.

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Mr. JENNER. Now, we have you up to the advent of World War II, which was-- this is about 1941.

Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. But before that I was in Texas and worked for Humble Oil Co.

Mr. JENNER. Before 1941 you had gone to Texas?

Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; in 1939.

Mr. JENNER. You went to Texas in 1939?

Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. No. They had a branch office in New Orleans, but I had to apply for a job in Houston. So I went to Houston, and I applied for a job with Mr. Suman, who is vice president of Humble Oil Co. Also I met the chairman of the board of the Humble Oil Co. through mutual acquaintances.

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Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. I also went to Arizona, I remember, and tried to get a job as--I don't know if it is after this experience with Humble Oil Co.-- probably--over--to get a job as a polo instructor at the Arizona Desert School. Since we played polo in the military academy, I know how to play polo. I am not an expert player, but I do know how to play polo, and I am a good rider, and was a good rider. So I tried to get the job in the Arizona Desert School for Boys. And for some reason I could not get this job. There was a job available. I don't remember what the circumstances were. I never got this job. But I think it is after my experience with Humble Oil Co.

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Papers of Clare Boothe Luce

School Files

Arizona Desert School

1941-1942

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/mss/eadxmlms...03/ms003044.pdf

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Sometime in the 1930s, Standard Oil and IG Farben had come to an agreement that Standard would not compete in rubber in Germany while IG Farben would neglect oil in the United States. Certain valuable patents, such as that for making a gasoline or kerosene equivalent from coal, were shared. This arrangement became something of a legal and public-relations problem when Standard and Farben found themselves on opposite sides of World War II shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

In February 1942, Assistant Attorney General Thurman Arnold, Navy Secretary Franklin Knox, and Army Secretary Henry Stimson confronted Farish with the charge that, by continuing to favor Hitler in rubber deal and patent arrangements, Standard Oil had acted against US interests. They suggested a M$1.5 fine, which Farish rejected out of hand, essentially promising to turn off the US' oil supply. Arnold, Stimson, and Knox soon realized they had no power to compare with that of Standard and settled for a ‘no contest’ plea, which avoided a public trial, and a trivial fine of a few grand. Farish paid $1000, a quarter of one week's salary.

But the gov't wasn't finished yet. Arnold and Interior Sec'y Harold L. Ickes convinced Harry Truman to bring SO before his Senate Special Committee Investigating the National Defense Program. Truman relished rousting out these ‘traitors’… SO executive. Sold oil and patents to the Luftwaffe during WW2 while his son of the same name was in the US Air Force. Exposure of the scandal probably left the grandson of the same name with the family fortune prematurely.

It is claimed the Auschwitz concentration camp was established as forced labour for the Standard-Farben plant nearby. If so, that would make Farish somewhat complicit in those crimes.

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Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. I also went to Arizona, I remember, and tried to get a job as--I don't know if it is after this experience with Humble Oil Co.-- probably--over--to get a job as a polo instructor at the Arizona Desert School. Since we played polo in the military academy, I know how to play polo. I am not an expert player, but I do know how to play polo, and I am a good rider, and was a good rider. So I tried to get the job in the Arizona Desert School for Boys

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http://www.sjs.org/admissions/about/history.asp

St. John's School: Then and Now

W. St. John Garwood and Alan Lake Chidsey's dreams of creating a "school of exacting standards" in Houston became a reality at the end of World War II. In January 1946, Alan Lake Chidsey, former Headmaster of the Arizona Desert School and the post-war Assistant Dean of Students at University of Chicago, was asked to fly to Texas to speak at a gathering of interested members of the Houston community.

Founders of St. John's School

Mr. & Mrs. Stephen P. Farish

Mrs. William S. Farish, Jr.

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Mrs. Harry Holmes----------*Especially added for Mr. Dolva (it is unknown if this is the "real Harry") Tom!

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Founding Board of Trustees

Mrs. William S. Farish

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Founding Headmaster

Mr. Alan Lake Chidsey

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._John's_School

History

Headmaster John Allman (left) with Justice O'Connor (right)Founded in 1946 with just 344 students and six acres of land by Alan Lake Chidsey, former Headmaster of Arizona Desert School

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A year later all symbols of the Confederate States of America were disassociated from the school, although the nickname "The Rebels" was retained with the hopes it could be connected with the

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Famous Alumni

William S. Farish

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Farish

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"WHILE ENGLAND SLEPT", the Farish family/aka Standard Oil, was doing a relative good business with the German Government, as well as being highly involved in the I. G. Farben affair.

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http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com...p/Prescott_Bush

It would be quite remiss to not point out the interconnections between Farish and Mr. Harriman, as many roads lead to China.

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I've been following this topic with interest. I was going to comment on the connection between steel and oil and the importance of transport.

This is where I saw Harriman in the picture.

It's a complex one with many offshoots, the rail used to run the trains carrying humans to auswich for eaxample.

Another is the ties to the shaping of the US civil war as transport is critical.

In modern times we have the internal combustion engine, steel for cars, trucks and machinery.

On a 'soft' side there is communication and the close alliance of the establisment of postal routes and the establishment of outposts of communiction, the proficiency of that communication through new means of delivery and so on.

This is a lumbering mass of 'progress' that has a life of its own. Society follows in its wake.

The need to control it is critical for a society. The needs of individuals is easily devalued. I've heard a society where the control of these important industries is out of the hands of ordinary people and wholly in the hand of those who determine the direction of that society described as corporate fascism. Apparently this is what Mussolini was in to.

_______ a small section of this picture of particular interest to me is the early to 70's 80' US Postal Service as it was an instrument of Government closely tied to these other 'hard' industries, and int here is the enigma that is Harry Holmes, so thank you for mentioning that Tom.

While not regularly commenting I do read your input with interest. The Genealogies and Ballistics in particular. Having a good grasp of society from someone who has lived a large part of it is invaluable in my opinion.

EDIT:;)(With regards to Harry (without wanting to digress, just to add color to that particular):. My understanding is that he was born in Oklahoma, or as it was known then : Indian Territory. After schooling in Kansas City, he ends up in Dallas in 1948 where he stayed. His father is described by him as a Goatherd. (I've speculated on other occasions about the significance of the goat on Masonic lore (there is a mention of an 19th century Holmes in Oklahoma as office holder in the local Masons) and also the use of the word to describe a Democrat. This is just interesting speculations of course.)

I have managed to trace a family Holmes to Oklahoma, however information is scarce.

There are Old Texas Holmes.

The Homes generally came from Scotland, tended to be of the lower classes, farmers labourers and so on. Often there was an escape from religious persecution or troubles. Many gravitated to the South.) )

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I've been following this topic with interest. I was going to comment on the connection between steel and oil and the importance of transport.

This is where I saw Harriman in the picture.

It's a complex one with many offshoots, the rail used to run the trains carrying humans to auswich for eaxample.

Another is the ties to the shaping of the US civil war as transport is critical.

In modern times we have the internal combustion engine, steel for cars, trucks and machinery.

On a 'soft' side there is communication and the close alliance of the establisment of postal routes and the establishment of outposts of communiction, the proficiency of that communication through new means of delivery and so on.

This is a lumbering mass of 'progress' that has a life of its own. Society follows in its wake.

The need to control it is critical for a society. The needs of individuals is easily devalued. I've heard a society where the control of these important industries is out of the hands of ordinary people and wholly in the hand of those who determine the direction of that society described as corporate fascism. Apparently this is what Mussolini was in to.

_______ a small section of this picture of particular interest to me is the early to 70's 80' US Postal Service as it was an instrument of Government closely tied to these other 'hard' industries, and int here is the enigma that is Harry Holmes, so thank you for mentioning that Tom.

While not regularly commenting I do read your input with interest. The Genealogies and Ballistics in particular. Having a good grasp of society from someone who has lived a large part of it is invaluable in my opinion.

EDIT::((With regards to Harry (without wanting to digress, just to add color to that particular):. My understanding is that he was born in Oklahoma, or as it was known then : Indian Territory. After schooling in Kansas City, he ends up in Dallas in 1948 where he stayed. His father is described by him as a Goatherd. (I've speculated on other occasions about the significance of the goat on Masonic lore (there is a mention of an 19th century Holmes in Oklahoma as office holder in the local Masons) and also the use of the word to describe a Democrat. This is just interesting speculations of course.)

I have managed to trace a family Holmes to Oklahoma, however information is scarce.

There are Old Texas Holmes.

The Homes generally came from Scotland, tended to be of the lower classes, farmers labourers and so on. Often there was an escape from religious persecution or troubles. Many gravitated to the South.) )

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EDIT:(With regards to Harry (without wanting to digress, just to add color to that particular):. My understanding is that he was born in Oklahoma, or as it was known then : Indian Territory. After schooling in Kansas City, he ends up in Dallas in 1948 where he stayed. His father is described by him as a Goatherd. (I've speculated on other occasions about the significance of the goat on Masonic lore (there is a mention of an 19th century Holmes in Oklahoma as office holder in the local Masons) and also the use of the word to describe a Democrat. This is just interesting speculations of course.)

I have managed to trace a family Holmes to Oklahoma, however information is scarce.

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http://www.redlandsfortnightly.org/papers/moore01.htm

Before going to Oklahoma, I had corresponded with the state Historical Society in Guthrie, and with the local Guthrie historian, Mrs. Helen Holmes. Mrs. Holmes was of particular help, and really went the second mile in researching Buxton information for us. When in town, we took her to lunch and came to realize what a treasure of information she was. (We learned from her daughter that she died the following spring, which made us all the more grateful for the special time we had with her.)

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Much of the "Holmes" family history as relates to the Oklahoma "Clan" can be found within Helen's history.

It is written, and can be found, in one of the two volume's of the "LOGAN COUNTY HISTORY" as prepared by Helen, who is now deceased for several years.

A personal friend of the family, I had visited Helen on several occassions at her home in Guthrie.

Quite a Lady!

Former WAC Pilot who ferried aircraft during WWII.

Much of her "historical" interest in Guthrie was associated with the Oklahoma "Indian Territory" Land Run of 1889, when Guthrie was settled, and thereafter became "Oklahoma Territory", with Guthrie thus becomming the Capitol of OT, and then later, the first Capitol for the State of Oklahoma.

And of course, Guthrie is also also headquarters for the "Scottish Rites" of the Masonic Order, containing the largest "Constituatory" bldg. in the US (in the world until just a few years ago) when a new bldg. in Scotland apparantly acquired this fame.

The Masonic bldg. in Guthrie is constructed on the six, (or so) city blocks which were originally reserved for the State Capitol Building. However, when the State Capitol was moved to Oklahoma City, the Masonic Order secured the grounds and constructed their bldg. there.

It remains the "home" to all who follow the "Scottish Rites", and a trip to Guthrie was considered somewhat like a journey to "Mecca".

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This is where I saw Harriman in the picture.

It's a complex one with many offshoots, the rail used to run the trains carrying humans to auswich for eaxample.

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For the purpose of the JFK subject, the more "direct connection" would be the railroad industry in China.

As in: The Paine Family; Wife of DeMohrenschildt; William D. Pawley;. etc.

Thereafter, one must not forget exactly who worked for Harriman there, and later became highly engaged in the aircraft industry.

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Lastly, it would be remiss to not again bring out the subject of "Where the Rubber Meets the Road", as in the Bus Line Industries of Mr. Pawley, which certainly used lots of tires and diesel fuel/and or gasoline.

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And, Last time that I checked, fighter aircraft (actually all aircraft), not unlike a bus, required considerable amounts of tires, as well as fuel; oil; grease; etc. in order to function.

Irrelevant as to whether operating in China, India, Florida, Havanna, Florida to Havanna, South America, or for that matter, anywhere else.

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Helen Freudenberber Holmes

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http://digital.library.okstate.edu/OAS/oas_htm_files/v21/

Education of Science Writers

Helen Freudenberger, Stillwater; 21 (1941); p. 137

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http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/history.htm

An extensive history of Logan County can be found in The Logan County History, Volumes I and II, as compiled by Helen Freudenberger Holmes.

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This may be of some help:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm

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I have both volume's of the Logan County History, however, not unlike most old research/historical information, it is packed somewhere in some shed.

Good hunting & if I can help, let me know.

Tom

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