Fake Assassination Attempt

[Paul Brancato]

Bumping this thread

[Paul Trejo]

Tim Carroll and I disagree on many things but we also agree on many things.

One thing on which we do agree is that many of the events surrounding the assassination would be explained by the scenario of a fake assassination attempt to be blamed on Castro (which attempt may have even been known to JFK).

I taking another look at the issue of possible security stripping in Dallas, I came across this statement in the testimony of George Micheal Evica to the AARB (and I would also note that the testimony comes from the mcAdams web-site):

Since no later than '75, researchers have collected comments circulating not just among researchers but in the U.S. intelligence community on a possible Dealey Plaza assassination scenario; that is, a covert test of the President's security, including a simulated attack to be attributed to pro-Castro agents or sympathizers, that test justifying an actual security stripping as part of the simulation. With the President made vulnerable, the assassination plot succeeds.

Evica's mention that this "speculation" started in 1975 is interesting. I recently reread a vintage 1975 article on the assassination that appeared in that most mainstream media outlet, "The Tattler". The thrust of the article was that Loran Hall was a conspirator. But buried in the article was speculation that there had been a fake assassination attempt planned for Dallas.

I thought it would be worthwhile to start a thread to discuss the possibility of a fake asassination attempt. I would invite Tim Carroll's comments, specifically asking him to repost here his information about what one ofd H. L. Hunt's former security agents wrote about this.

As I recall there was also an interersting article about a fake aassassination scenario that involved the actor Audie Murphy (not as a conspirator but as someone who had heard about the theory). I would invite anyone who has ready access to this article to repost it here.

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I doubt if there is currently any way to make this sceanrio any more than "speculation" but perhaps we can at least try to find out when and where the reports and rumors of a fake assassination originated.

Well, Tim, I realize this thread is now a decade older, but I'm just catching up to it.

In my theory, Ex-General Edwin Walker was the leader of the Dallas plot to kill JFK.

My evidence consists of artifacts found in Walker's personal papers, including a confession to Senator Frank Church (1975) that he had lied to the Warren Commission when he said he knew nothing about Lee Harvey Oswald until the day of the JFK murder. Here's a link to that letter:

http://www.pet880.com/images/19750623_EAW_to_Frank_Church.pdf

More items like this, as well as a correspondence between Edwin Walker and Gerry Patrick Hemming about funding Interpen, have made me look much closer at Edwin Walker than most other readers here.

IMHO, Edwin Walker was ready to boast about his role, and especially about his manipulation of Lee Harvey Oswald throughout 1963, when he contacted a German newspaper less than 24 hours after the JFK murder, to brag about Oswald. Here's a link to that headline:

http://www.pet880.com/images/19631129_Deutsche_NZ.jpg

My question to you, Tim is this: do you still believe after a decade that "many of the events surrounding the assassination would be explained by the scenario of a fake assassination attempt to be blamed on Castro?"

If so, please list a few of the events that you believe would be better explained by such a fake assassination.

My interest in this comes in the form of two books on the JFK murder, namely, LIBRA (1988) by Don DeLillo; and THE KENNEDY MUTINY (2002) by Will Fritz. Both books tell of a "Fake" JFK assassination turned sour.

Granted that Captain Will Fritz died in 1984, the author who called himself "Will Fritz" does not otherwise identify himself or his sources in that 701 page book.

Yet for "Will Fritz", General Walker carefully planned the "Fake" Assassination of JFK in Dallas, using his "Friends of Walker" organization, which included (allegedly) FBI agent James Hosty and Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels.

This rings true with me -- no plot in Dallas could have had a chance, IMHO, without some cooperation by the FBI and the Secret Service -- and the most likely collaborators in those roles would be their Dallas representatives, namely, Hosty and Sorrels.

I don't accept a "Fake" Assassination -- however, I believe this would be a likely invention of somebody who couldn't wait to tell the world that the JFK murder really and truly was a Dallas plot -- because deep down they were proud of it.

In that number I'd include Bill Decker, Will Fritz, Jesse Curry, Roscoe White and Ex-General Edwin Walker, among others.

(It may be worthwhile to note here that Edwin Walker preferred to give political speeches while standing next to the Confederate Flag. If my theory is correct, then the Confederate Flag played a key role in the JFK murder.)

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

Edited July 10, 2015 by Paul Trejo

[Charles Blackmon]

Bump. The original post in this thread is now over 17 years old, but why start a new thread on such an important topic.

Is there any new research in the last 17 years that would add weight to the possibility that (a.) there was a fake assassination attempt that was hi-jacked into a real assassination attempt, or (b.) the plan all along was for a real assassination attempt, with Oswald pulled in as the "patsy" by his believing (incredibly) that it was going to be a fake attempt.

[Benjamin Cole]

6 hours ago, Charles Blackmon said:

Bump. The original post in this thread is now over 17 years old, but why start a new thread on such an important topic.

Is there any new research in the last 17 years that would add weight to the possibility that (a.) there was a fake assassination attempt that was hi-jacked into a real assassination attempt, or (b.) the plan all along was for a real assassination attempt, with Oswald pulled in as the "patsy" by his believing (incredibly) that it was going to be a fake attempt.

Well,  that's my theory of what happened, or something like that. 

Just IMHO....

[Andrej Stancak]

People involved in a mock security exercise involving shooting but not killing John Kennedy would have a foreknowledge of some kind of shooting, and would behave differently during and after shooting compared to people who had no foreknowledge at all. People with foreknowledge of a fake assassination attempt would not show surprise when hearing shots and would not need to stay at Dealey Plaza to explore the scene. I have written an essay on the topic, albeit skewed toward Oswald's behaviour. 

https://thejfktruthmatters.wordpress.com/2021/03/28/symptoms-of-foreknowledge/

 

Edited April 9, 2023 by Andrej Stancak

[Paul Brancato]

5 hours ago, Andrej Stancak said:

People involved in a mock security exercise involving shooting but not killing John Kennedy would have a foreknowledge of some kind of shooting, and would behave differently during and after shooting compared to people who had no foreknowledge at all. People with foreknowledge of a fake assassination attempt would not show surprise when hearing shots and would not need to stay at Dealey Plaza to explore the scene. I have written an essay on the topic, albeit skewed toward Oswald's behaviour. 

https://thejfktruthmatters.wordpress.com/2021/03/28/symptoms-of-foreknowledge/

 

Interesting article you’ve written. I have had problems over the years with the concept of an abort team or teams sent to thwart the assassination. They certainly failed. How do you suppose they would have acted had they been on such an assignment? Passively viewing the events surely doesn’t qualify. 
i do think that a real assassination plot superimposed on a fake attempt fits the scenario rather well. In general, a fake or unsuccessful attempt later pinned on Castro would have accomplished the political goal of turning the Administration firmly towards ousting Castro. An actual kill team would accomplish a. much wider goal - getting rid of a President whose plans for peaceful coexistence abroad and civil rights at home were unacceptable.

Edited April 9, 2023 by Paul Brancato

[Andrej Stancak]

21 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Interesting article you’ve written. I have had problems over the years with the concept of an abort team or teams sent to thwart the assassination. They certainly failed. How do you suppose they would have acted had they been on such an assignment? Passively viewing the events surely doesn’t qualify. 
i do think that a real assassination plot superimposed on a fake attempt fits the scenario rather well. In general, a fake or unsuccessful attempt later pinned on Castro would have accomplished the political goal of turning the Administration firmly towards ousting Castro. An actual kill team would accomplish a. much wider goal - getting rid of a President whose plans for peaceful coexistence abroad and civil rights at home were unacceptable.

I think the role of an abort team in Dealey Plaza would be to mingle with the crowd before the arrival of the motorcade and watch for spotters, guns, or suspiciously behaving individuals. I would make sense to have multiple abort teams or one larger team. 

As your comment "... a real assassination plot superimposed on a fake attempt.." is concerned,  I am also inclined to believe that this is what happened. It is obvious, at least to me, that Lee Oswald behaved suspiciously on a number of occasions not only on that fateful Friday but even in weeks and months before. Why would anyone think of going to watch a movie with a gun in his pocket within 30 minutes of killing the President of the U.S.A? Why would anyone with socialist views be collaborating with David Ferry or Guy Banister and simultaneously handing over pro-Castro leaflets?  

There is a very reasonable scenario of two plots explaining two parallel plots, introduced by Matthew Smith in his book "JFK The Second Plot" published in 1991. The idea of two plots was that Lee Oswald was involved in the "second" plot but was unaware of the primary plot of killing the President. The second plot was a plan to fly Oswald from Red Bird airfield on Friday afternoon under the cover of President's visit which visit would distract the law enforcement in Dallas. The story largely rests on the account by Wayne January who conferred to the author about the events he had witnessed at the airfield prior to and on the day of assassination. It is possible that Lee Oswald acted within the script of the second plot which entailed being at Texas Theatre in Oak Cliff around 1 PM, so he needed to leave the Depository whatever happens. As he was a clever young man, he did figure out that his role may not have been so much to be flawn to Cuba that day but rather to take the blame for the assassination. After his arrest, he continued playing his second plot role in the clandestime operation and did not reaveal any details of that plan. However, he did deny his involvement in the primary plot by shouting out "I am just a patsy".  He was maybe hopeful that somebody from the second plot circuit would step forward to save him. 

 

[Charles Blackmon]

4 hours ago, Andrej Stancak said:

 The second plot was a plan to fly Oswald from Red Bird airfield on Friday afternoon under the cover of President's visit which visit would distract the law enforcement in Dallas.

 

Not really understanding this statement. Is the "second plot" a fake assassination attempt?