John Simkin Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 I thought members might like to see this FBI memo from A. Rosen to Alan Belmont on 28th August, 1964. At the request of J. Lee Rankin, General Counsel, President's Commission, Mr. Sebastian F. Latona, Latent Fingerprint Section, Identification Division, and A Malley met with Mr. Rankin, Mr. James Wesley Lieyeler and Mr Burt Griffin at the Commission office today. Mr. Rankin advised that the members of the President's Commission were rather anxious to try to resolve a question that existed relative to the palm prints and latent fingerprints that had been developed on four cartons that were located on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building in the area of the window from which it is believed Oswald shot President Kennedy. Mr. Rankin advised that the Commission had received a number of pieces of correspondence concerning this matter wherein it was set forth that Oswald's prints had been found among the latent fingerprints and palm prints located on the cartons but they were concerned over the identity of the latent prints which had not been identified. He commented that the Bureau had obtained prints for elimination purposes from the employees of the Texas School Book Depository Building which Mr. Truly, the manager, believed might logically have a reason to have been in the area of these boxes. Mr. Rankin commented that Truly had strenuously objected to all of his personnel being printed at that time due to the loss of work being sustained by his company. Mr. Rankin stated that the situation now exists where the Commission has not resolved the identity of these prints and it leaves room for the allegation and speculation that Oswald had a co-conspirator in killing President Kennedy. For this reason Mr. Rankin desired the Bureau to attempt to resolve this issue by whatever additional investigation that might be necessary, fully realizing the scope of the investigation that might be necessary. Mr. Rankin stated that he would appreciate the Bureau's making an effort to obtain Mr. Truly's permission to print all of the employees, of his company for elimination purposes. He advised that in the event there were any objections on Mr. Truly's part he would appreciate being told so that either he, Mr Rankin, or Chief Justice Warren could contact Mr. Truly to advise him of the importance of this matter to the Commission in order to obtain his full cooperation. A detailed letter is being prepared by Mr. Rankin's office outlining the investigation that is desired and will be sent to the Bureau as soon as it is ready. In the meantime, the Dallas Office has been filled in concerning the request of the President's Commission in order that they could get started on this rather large request for additional investigation. In addition to the foregoing, Mr. Rankin requested relative to the latent fingerprint and palm print impressions that a chart be made visually demonstrating the location of the latent fingerprints and palm prints developed on the four cartons. He stated that he would appreciate it if this chart would show the latent finger and palm prints that actually belonged to Oswald as well as the other impressions that were developed and remain unidentified. He stated he would appreciate these being numbered in such a manner that it would be easy for the Commission members or anyone else reviewing this matter at a subsequent date to follow the complete picture relating to these latent prints. Mr. Latona is proceeding with the preparation cf the chart as requested. Request for Additional Data Re Palm Print on Barrel of Assassination Rifle Mr. Rankin advised several questioris had been raised relative to the palm print found on the barrel of the assassination rifle located on the portion of the barrel which was attached to the wooden foregrip of the rifle. Mr. Rankin stated as he understood the matter the palm print located on the rifle barrel had been located by Lieutenant Day of the Dallas Police Department and had been lifted from the rifle by Lieutenant Day. He noted that the Dallas Police Department made no mention of this latent palm print for a number of days following the assassination. He commented that on November 23, the day following the assassination, Chief of Police Curry, when questioned by news media, answered that fingerprints had been found and when asked further questions about identification stated the rifle had been forwarded to the FBI Laboratory. On Sunday, November 24, District Attorney Henry Wade, when questioned before news media, made the statement that a palm print had been found. Mr. Rankin states that based on the information made available to the Commission the existence of this palm print was not volunteered to the Bureau until a specific request was made of the Dallas Police Department. Mr. Rankin further advised that when Lieutenant Day testified before the President's Commission he stated on finding the print he considered photographing it and had intended to do so and then lifted the latent palm impression. The Commission testimony does not show whether Lieutenant Day did or did not photograph the palm impression that he located prior to lifting the palm print impression. In view of the foregoing, Mr. Rankin desired that Lieutenant Day of the Dallas Police Department be contacted to ascertain from him whether or not he did or did not make photographs of the latent palm impression that he found on the rifle barrel and if he did, in fact, make photographs to obtain such photographs and make them available to the President's Commission. Mr. Rankin advised because of the circumstances that now exist there was a serious question in the minds of the Commission as to whether or not the palm impression that has been obtained from the Dallas Police Department is a legitimate latent palin impression removed from the rifle barrel or whether it was obtained from some other source and that for this reason this matter needs to be resolved. During this discussion about the location of this latent palm impression there was considerable conversation about the use of fingerprint dusting powder, the procedure used by Mr. Latona in his examination of the rifle, and Mr. Rankin requested that an examination be made even at this late date to determine if any trace of a dusting powder other than that used by Mr. Latona could be located on the wooden foregrip of the assassination rifle. The Laboratory has been advised and is handling the requested examination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Meredith Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 I thought members might like to see this FBI memo from A. Rosen to Alan Belmont on 28th August, 1964. One wonders what may have been the result if this latent had been matched to Mac Wallace's known prints back in 63. But the FBI did not want to know the truth beyond what they were told. Any "dirty little rumors" (of conspiracy)had to be ignored. Dawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Hancock Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 The average person would probably assume that the FBI had cleared up any and all issues about prints at the scene of the crime in their own investigation/report (heck, they took a whole couple of weeks to wrap it up). However if you enjoy this memo just wait until you get to the FBI's replies to the commission... not to mention Day's explanation of why it would be impossible to resolve the prints on the boxes. For yet more entertainment, try to reconcile the WC's description and illustration of how Oswald made the box prints while seated at his cardboard box shooting stand with the description of the shooter in the window offered by their ace witness Howard Brennan... and while you're doing that, see how the WC shooting position works with the descriptions for the rifle being clearly seen sticking far enough outside the window for an observer to talk about it being slowly drawn back in....perhaps someone can make it all fit together? I'd love to see it all illustrated and tied together, something the WC didn't do. ....Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H. Purvis Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 The average person would probably assume that the FBI had cleared up any and all issuesabout prints at the scene of the crime in their own investigation/report (heck, they took a whole couple of weeks to wrap it up). However if you enjoy this memo just wait until you get to the FBI's replies to the commission... not to mention Day's explanation of why it would be impossible to resolve the prints on the boxes. For yet more entertainment, try to reconcile the WC's description and illustration of how Oswald made the box prints while seated at his cardboard box shooting stand with the description of the shooter in the window offered by their ace witness Howard Brennan... and while you're doing that, see how the WC shooting position works with the descriptions for the rifle being clearly seen sticking far enough outside the window for an observer to talk about it being slowly drawn back in....perhaps someone can make it all fit together? I'd love to see it all illustrated and tied together, something the WC didn't do. ....Larry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- perhaps someone can make it all fit together? I'd love to see it all illustrated and tied together, something the WC didn't do. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As regards Mr. Brennan: http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm I was looking at the man in this windows at the time of the last explosion. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan.htm Mr. BRENNAN. Well, as it appeared to me he was standing up and resting against the left window sill, with gun shouldered to his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim and fired his last shot. As I calculate a couple of seconds. He drew the gun back from the window as though he was drawing it back to his side and maybe paused for another second as though to assure hisself that he hit his mark, and then he disappeared. Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this. How many shots did you hear? Mr. BRENNAN. Positively two. I do not recall a second shot-- Mr. BELIN. By a second shot, you mean a middle shot between the time you heard the first noise and the last noise? Mr. BRENNAN. Yes; that is right. I don't know what made me think that there was firecrackers throwed out of the Book Store unless I did hear the second shot, because I positively thought the first shot was a backfire, and subconsciously must have heard a second shot, but I do not recall it. I could not swear to it. Mr. BRENNAN. I positively thought that the first shot was a backfire of a motorcycle. And then something made me think that someone was throwing firecrackers from the Texas Book Store, and a possibility it was the second shot. But I glanced up or looked up and I saw this man taking aim for his last shot. The first shot and last shot is my only positive recollection of two shots. Mr. McCLOY. Did you see the rifle explode? Did you see the flash of what was either the second or the third shot? Mr. BRENNAN. No. Mr. McCLOY. Could you see that he had discharged the rifle? Mr. BRENNAN. No. For some reason I did not get an echo at any time. The first shot was positive and clear and the last shot was positive and dear, with no echo on my part. Mr. McCLOY. Yes. But you saw him aim? Mr. BRENNAN. Yes. Mr. McCLOY. Did you see the rifle discharge, did you see the recoil or the flash? Mr. BRENNAN. No. Mr. McCLOY. But you heard the last shot. Mr. BRENNAN. The report; yes, sir. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Much of the attempt to discredit Mr. Brennan comes from the fact that in August 1964, Mr. Brennan was interviewed by CBS News for a subsequent coast to coast broadcast. In the interview, which was aired on September 27, 1964, Brennan had stated "The President's head just exploded". Therefore, much of the conflict between the then known evidence. As, obviously, if as everyone has been feed to believe, the Z313 impact was the LAST SHOT, then obviously, Brennan could not have been looking at JFK and see the last shot fired and thereafter turn his head to observe LHO fire a shot for which the impact had already occurred. However, considering that the headshot at Z313 is/was/and will remain to be the second shot fired in the assassination shot sequence, then there is not that much difficulty in Mr. Brennan having seen the blow/explosion to the head of JFK and then in the 2.3 or so seconds thereafter had time to immediately turn/look up at the window just in time to see LHO (whoever) fire the last shot and then pull the rifle back into the window. As for the WC version of how the rifle was on the 6th floor of the TSDB, anyone who has checked anything, knows that this one is BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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