Gary Mack and the Sixth Floor Museum

[Bill Miller]

Bill: ""Gary Mack has had a strong interest in Photography and as you must be aware, he has been affiliated with many experts in that area because of his position there with the Museum.""

Bernice ""Well I am pleased to hear that he responds to you with said information that you may consult him about..re the photos...so he has had no formal training, but through the fortunate experience of meeting with said experts ....

Bill""Bernice, that is not what I said. Even I have had a hands on class in Photography, but that doesn't make me an expert. It is probably best that you contact Gary to learn more about what experience he has had concerning Photography before drawing your conclusions.""

Bernice: Well I did take what you said, to mean that he was no expert, if in error I am sure he will let us know eventually in one of his emails...

Bernice, I will only try and relay this message one more time ... hopefully with more clarity. A person can have formal training in Photography and not be an expert. You implied that I said that Gary has had no formal training and that is not what I had said. You drew an erroneous conclusion that Gary has had no formal training in Photography when I said he 'has had a strong interest in Photography' and I suspect from his answer to your email that this is one type of example to what he was talking about concerning the things you have said. And because Gary has worked with Photographic experts on so many projects and has been there first hand to aks questions, observe, participate, and so on, he is able to pass along valuable information that he has learned through working with these experts.

Gary Mack would not say that he is a Photographic expert any more than I would make such a claim about myself. However, Gary is very knowledgeable about Photography and he has a good understanding of the physics surrounding it. If Gary is an expert in anything, then he is an expert researcher. In other woprds he knows how to find information, retain what he has learned, and is smart enough to apply it to the JFK assassination. Gary is so knowledgeable about the JFK assassination that often times I will cite something in our discussions and if I say even the slightest thing in error, he will always catch it and will explain the differences in what I said Vs. what is rfecorded in the official record.

Bill

Edited May 29, 2006 by Bill Miller

[David G. Healy]

'Bill Miller' wrote:

Bill: ""Gary Mack has had a strong interest in Photography and as you must be aware, he has been affiliated with many experts in that area because of his position there with the Museum.""

Bernice ""Well I am pleased to hear that he responds to you with said information that you may consult him about..re the photos...so he has had no formal training, but through the fortunate experience of meeting with said experts ....

Bill""Bernice, that is not what I said. Even I have had a hands on class in Photography, but that doesn't make me an expert. It is probably best that you contact Gary to learn more about what experience he has had concerning Photography before drawing your conclusions.""

Bernice: Well I did take what you said, to mean that he was no expert, if in error I am sure he will let us know eventually in one of his emails...

Bernice, I will only try and relay this message one more time ... hopefully with more clarity. A person can have formal training in Photography and not be an expert. You implied that I said that Gary has had no formal training and that is not what I had said. You drew an erroneous conclusion that Gary has had no formal training in Photography when I said he 'has had a strong interest in Photography' and I suspect from his answer to your email that this is one type of example to what he was talking about concerning the things you have said. And because Gary has worked with Photographic experts on so many projects and has been there first hand to aks questions, observe, participate, and so on, he is able to pass along valuable information that he has learned through working with these experts.

Gary Mack would not say that he is a Photographic expert any more than I would make such a claim about myself. However, Gary is very knowledgeable about Photography and he has a good understanding of the physics surrounding it. If Gary is an expert in anything, then he is an expert researcher. In other woprds he knows how to find information, retain what he has learned, and is smart enough to apply it to the JFK assassination. Gary is so knowledgeable about the JFK assassination that often times I will cite something in our discussions and if I say even the slightest thing in error, he will always catch it and will explain the differences in what I said Vs. what is rfecorded in the official record.

Bill

dgh: hmm, Bill needs a break, perhaps? little R&R ....? [LURKER'S, even for those adamant, US, JFK photo/film researchers, the above is a bit over the top ]

On bended knee,

DHealy

Edited May 29, 2006 by David G. Healy

[Pat Speer]

Man, all this talk about Gary... Gary is a very knowledgeable guy who just so happens to be a curator for a mainstream museum. He gets PAID for the information he's absorbed, unlike the vast majority of us. This makes him a source of envy; in a way, he's like the teacher's pet. But that doesn't mean he's part of any conspiracy. Nor does it mean he knows everything or is always right. I've received several e-mails over the last few years from Gary, some correcting me on something I wrote, some seeking out more information regarding something I wrote. The man is still trying to learn about the case. He recently expressed interest in Ian Griggs' and Larry Hancock's books. If, for some reason, he is solicited on these books but refuses to stock them, then maybe there's a case to be made against the museum. I, for one, was surprised by his response last month when he said he'd carry Summers' and Groden's books if they were in print. By Groden's standing out there on the knoll selling his OOP books himself, and telling everyone that the Sixth Floor Museum is trying to have him kicked off the site, one would think there was bad blood between the two. Evidently, Gary is not as petty as many seem to believe.

Edited May 29, 2006 by Pat Speer

[David G. Healy]

dgh: hmm, Bill needs a break, perhaps? little R&R ....? [LURKER'S, even for those adamant, US, JFK photo/film researchers, the above is a bit over the top ]

On bended knee,

DHealy

Still trolling, David?

Bill

mumwah, me? LOL.

Edited May 29, 2006 by David G. Healy

[Bill Miller]

mumwah, me? LOL.

Your lack of respect for JFK's memory in not bothering to take the time to learn the evidence of the case overridden by your desire to merely continue trolling such forums like this one is a disgrace. I would think that you'd be busy compiling all those post of mine that you said you always had to correct. You are a credit to your cult.

Bill Miller

cult (kŭlt)

n.

A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.

Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.

Edited May 29, 2006 by Bill Miller

[Jack White]

Several years ago before being kicked off of the JFKresearch forum

for misconduct and disruption, "Miller" posted a photo of himself in

full beard. Nobody that I know saved it, so maybe he will replace the

current photo of the red-headed guy with the bearded picture. OK?

Jack

Edited May 29, 2006 by Jack White

[Bill Miller]

Several years ago before being kicked off of the JFKresearch forum

for misconduct and disruption, "Miller" posted a photo of himself in

full beard. Nobody that I know saved it, so maybe he will replace the

current photo of the red-headed guy with the bearded picture. OK?

Jack

Jack, you are insane. My so-called being disruptive on the looney forum was for not agreeing with your poorly thoughtout alteration claims. I can also say that it doesn't suprise me that no one has a photo of me in a full beard because I have never worn one, nor have I ever worn a fake one, thus no picture ever existed of me in a beard. As usual you are just making stuff up as you go ... much like your alteration work. It looks like this is just another attempt on your part to hijack another thread.

Bill Miller

Edited May 29, 2006 by Bill Miller

[John Simkin]

Several years ago before being kicked off of the JFKresearch forum

for misconduct and disruption, "Miller" posted a photo of himself in

full beard. Nobody that I know saved it, so maybe he will replace the

current photo of the red-headed guy with the bearded picture. OK?

Jack

Jack, you are insane. My so-called being disruptive on the looney forum was for not agreeing with your poorly thoughtout alteration claims. I can also say that it doesn't suprise me that no one has a photo of me in a full beard because I have never worn one, nor have I ever worn a fake one, thus no picture ever existed of me in a beard. As usual you are just making stuff up as you go ... much like your alteration work. It looks like this is just another attempt on your part to hijack another thread.

Bill Miller

I cannot see what this has to do with the discussion of Gary Mack and the Sixth Floor Museum.

To return it to the original topic, could anyone tell me the titles of the books currently being sold in the museum?

[Pat Speer]

To return it to the original topic, could anyone tell me the titles of the books currently being sold in the museum?

When I was there a year and a half ago, I remember looking through Pictures of the Pain, JFK First Day Evidence (or whatever it's called), and With Malice, Dale Myers' book on the Tippit slaying. I also believe the Warren Report was there. I don't remember seeing any conspiracy books. Hopefully that will be rectified with Larry Hancock's new edition.

[John Simkin]

To return it to the original topic, could anyone tell me the titles of the books currently being sold in the museum?

When I was there a year and a half ago, I remember looking through Pictures of the Pain, JFK First Day Evidence (or whatever it's called), and With Malice, Dale Myers' book on the Tippit slaying. I also believe the Warren Report was there. I don't remember seeing any conspiracy books. Hopefully that will be rectified with Larry Hancock's new edition.

This does not seem a balanced or extensive list of books on the assassination. Do you mean that the museum was not selling Gerry McKnight's Breach of Trust? It is the most academic account I have read on the Warren Commission. How can Gary Mack justify not stocking this book?

[Bill Miller]

dgh: What's my lack of respect for YOU and your photo reasearch capabilities [or lack thereof] got to do with MY respect for JFK?

If you respected JFK so much, then you'd be addressing the evidence presented to you instead of trolling in an effort to disrupt the topic. A forum designed to educate people in his name deserves as much ... JFK's memory deserves as much.

Hell, JFK was MY Commander-in-Chief? Yours too? Your father knew JFK too? Deliver votes for him?

JFK was the Commander in Chief of those who killed him and attempted to cover up his murder, so what's your point? As I recall, those around Cesar tried to sell themselves in the same fashion as you're doing and we see how much they respected Cesar. You have a modus-operandi of saying one thing and doing another ... did you think saying you served under JFK means you respected him. Your many actions have spoke louder than your few words.

My piece regarding the Z-film was finished over a month ago... Not one word of it will change now or after Zavada/Fielding post the new, EXTENDED and approved Zavada Report. So, urge those guys on, then I'm gone...

You were never in the game, David. To have been in the game one must first participate by attempting to learn ... something you have refused to do. There are so many checks and balances in determining the authenticity of a film like Zapruder's that you guys never knew about and by the looks of your respnses - you don't understand them either, and yet you always reach the same conclusion even if it means not coming to grips with the information before you. Your taking the position that no matter what information is presented to you will not change your belief is by definition a cult-like mentality, not based on fact, but rather on emotion. JFK deserved better IMO.

Bill Miller

Edited May 30, 2006 by Bill Miller

[Francesca Akhtar]

This does not seem a balanced or extensive list of books on the assassination. Do you mean that the museum was not selling Gerry McKnight's Breach of Trust? It is the most academic account I have read on the Warren Commission. How can Gary Mack justify not stocking this book?

John, I don't remember seeing Breach of Trust there. I quite agree it is one book that should definitely be stocked and can't think of a good reason why it isn't. Apart from the obvious one of course......

[John Simkin]

This does not seem a balanced or extensive list of books on the assassination. Do you mean that the museum was not selling Gerry McKnight's Breach of Trust? It is the most academic account I have read on the Warren Commission. How can Gary Mack justify not stocking this book?

Message from Gary Mack:

I'm reviewing FOUR books right now in addition to all my other responsibilities, and his book is one of them. So far, most of the research community seems to be ignoring it.

I have asked Gary for a list of books he stocks and the other titles he is reviewing.

[John Simkin]

Message from Gary Mack:

I'm reviewing FOUR books right now in addition to all my other responsibilities, and his book is one of them. So far, most of the research community seems to be ignoring it.

I have asked Gary for a list of books he stocks and the other titles he is reviewing.

Reply from Gary:

I listed conspiracy titles in my note. Those still in print are in the gift shop and include books by Wrone, Cornwell and Oliver Stone (including the JFK movie).

Assassination-related titles being reviewed include those by, in no particular order, McKnight, Fuhrman, Mellen and Sturdivan. Kennedy titles waiting to be reviewed include those by Dallek, Nashell, Bridges, Pottker, Assouline. There are probably others in both categories.

Please do not confuse a museum with a school or a library, which all have very different criteria. This museum does history, not theories, not personal spin, not opinion. And I do know both the difference and the subject very well.

[J. Raymond Carroll]

Assassination-related titles being reviewed include those by, in no particular order, McKnight, Fuhrman, Mellen and Sturdivan.

Memo to Gary Mack: Gary, if you are reading this, greetings. I have just finished reading Joan Mellen's apalling book entitled "A Farewell to Justice." It is one of the most disgusting pieces of trash I have ever read. Quite apart from the fact that this book sheds absolutely no light whatsoever on the life or death of John F. Kennedy, it contains some of the most disgusting pornographic material I have ever seen and, believe me, I have been around.

This book is a disgrace to the research community and to the memory of John F. Kennedy.

If you decide to sell this book in the museum, then I promise that I will sell my house, quit my job, and devote the rest of my life to organizing a worldwide boycott of the Sixth Floor Museum.

However, in addition to the other books you are considering, I hope you will also consider, if you have not already done so, recent books by two good friends of mine, Vince Palamara and Ian Griggs.