Greg Parker Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 (edited) WHAT THEY HAD FOR LUNCH Oswald, during interrogation, is said to have claimed that he took a cheese sandwich and apple in a paper bag held beside him or on his lap in the car ride to work. He could not recall the size of the bag, saying he made do with whatever he could find. Note that Mrs Paine would have had no need of keeping lunch bags. She did admit having cheese in her fridge. Frazier stated in his WC testimony that he had a sandwich and an apple in a paper bag which he had beside him in the car. He also said that Oswald told him he was going to buy his lunch that day. Of the two however, who was more likely to buy lunch... the frugal family man, Oswald, or the the single 19 year old living cheaply with his sister? WHERE THEY ATE Oswald, during interrogation, is said to have claimed that he ate alone in the Domino room [per Bookhout report], and that he had seen two Negros come in -- Junior and and a short guy [Fritz' notes and Bookhout report]. Jarman and Norman did re-enter the building at about 12:23. Frazier stated in his WC testimony that he ate alone in the basement the day of the assassination, commencing about 10 minutes prior to being due back at work. This would put it at 12:35. Admitted that previously, he had only ever eaten in the Domino room. HOW THEY LEFT Oswald, during interrogation, is said to have claimed that he went on downstairs (after 2nd floor purchase of coke) to see what all the commotion was about, started to go out of the building, was stopped before getting to the door by an officer and questioned. Truly then intervened, telling the officers [note plural] he was an employee. Oswald was then asked to step aside and told they'd get to him later [per Holmes' testimony]. Similar accounts were published in newspapers across the globe in the immediate aftermath of the assassination stating Oswald was stopped at the front entrance. For example, from the Sydney Morning Herald: "During the frantic search for the President's killer, police were posted at exits to the warehouse. Police said a man, whom they identified as Oswald, walked through the door of the warehouse and was stopped by a policeman. Oswald told the policeman that 'I work here,' and when another employee confirmed that he did, the policeman let Oswald walk away, they said." CE 1381 has statement after statement of employees detailing being stopped, questioned and cleared by police before being allowed to leave, for example, Sarah Stanton stated, "I left the Depository building about 2:20pm on the afternoon of 11-22-63 after giving the police our names and addresses." [sic], and Roy Edward Lewis claimed he was cleared to leave as early as 1:15. Oswald could not have known officers were stationed on the 1st floor, taking names and addresses unless he was there, or was later told about it. The latter is ludicrous as it would entail the cops providing Oswald with information which went in his favour. From Frazier's testimony: Mr. BALL - Had the police officers come in there and talked to you? Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; they come in and talked to all of us. They asked us to show our proper identification, and then they had us to write our name down and who to get in touch with if they wanted to see us. Mr. BALL - Did they ask you where you had been at the time the President passed? Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; they had. I told them I was out on the steps there. Mr. BALL - Asked you who you were with? Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; I told them and naturally Mr. Shelley and Billy vouched for me and so they didn't think anything about it. and later: Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe they did, because they, you know, like one man showed us, we had to give proper identification and after we passed him he told us to walk on then to the next man, and we, you know, put down proper information where he could be found if they wanted to see you and talk to you any more, and then we went on up to a little bit more to the front entrance more toward Mr. Shelley's office there with another man and stood there for a little while and told us all that was there could go ahead and go home. Mr. BALL - Then you went on home? Mr. FRAZIER - Right. However, a few months after his WC testimony, Frazier was interviewed by William Manchester. On page 355 of the paper back edition of Death of a President, is this passage: "Wesley Frazier, who had driven Lee Oswald and his rifle into downtown Dallas five hours earlier, calmly polished off his lunch in the Book Depository and then, realising that there could be no further work in the growing turmoil. drove back to Irving to take the afternoon off". Note that Frazier's statment of 11/22/63 makes no mention of being questioned by police. His first account of that appears to be in his testimony; an account he appears to have forgotten again by the time Manchester interview. On the other hand, if Oswald was stopped at the front door and questioned in the same manner as all other employees, then it explains perfectly how the cops had the N Beckley address. Oswald gave it to them... Other things worth thinking about: Frazier testified that the morning of 11/22/63 was the first time Oswald ever walked ahead of him. This is interpreted as Oswald not wanting Frazier to get too close a look at his package. But that whole scenario can be turned on its head. Could it not have been that Frazier lingered in his car for the first time so that Oswald would not see him carrying a package? Indeed, as is well noted, no one saw Oswald with anything that morning. No one was asked if Frazier was carrying anything... and by his own testimony, he headed straight for the basement to put away his lunch and coat. Did he already know he would be eating in the basement for the first time that day? Then there is the first report of a rifle found in the TSBD - an Enfield. Frazier own such a rifle. Would an Enfield fit in the bag described by Frazier and his sister? Oswald's ownership of an M-C, on the other hand, is based on circumstantial evidence with key pieces missing - not the least being the receipt for pick up at the PO. I'd also ask, is there any photographic evidence of Frazier being out front during the assassination? I don't know of any, but am probably not as familiar with the photographic evidence as some... One thing is certain, Frazier was kept under the hammer all night by the DPD, released, then immediately dragged back for a polygraph. He was in big trouble as a possible co-conspirator or accessory unless he cooperated. And we all know what cooperation with the cops means in Texas. Edited June 1, 2006 by Greg Parker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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