Jack White Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 These 3 images are mutually exclusive. All 3 cannot be genuine. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Weaver Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 (edited) These 3 images are mutually exclusive. All 3 cannot be genuine.Jack Mr. White, in the Bell frame, I think that what you see as white cover on the pickup, is the front hood of the car that is behind (following) the pickup. My explanation regarding the man (yes I only see one man) at the back (I don't see him to be in the loading area) and the difference between the Cancellare and Zapruder picture/frame would be explained by my little understanding of the case in the following way, I admitt, that is speculation also. The Zapruder frame was shot before that Cancellare picture, that is a fact. Now, I assume that the traffic in the area/lane of the pickup was more or less stationary at that time (both Zapruder and also still at the time of the Cancellare shots.) The "sudden" appearance of the man behind the pickup, could well be explained by saying that the man simply walked to that area, between the time Zapruder filmed that frame and Cancellare shooting that picture. Cancellare shows no white cover, Bell doesn't show such a cover, Zapruder only shows that the loading area of the pickup was less reflective to light than the front hood and the roof of the driver cabin of the same pickup. That is my speculative explanation of your findings. Edited June 22, 2006 by Dave Weaver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted June 23, 2006 Author Share Posted June 23, 2006 These 3 images are mutually exclusive. All 3 cannot be genuine. Jack Mr. White, in the Bell frame, I think that what you see as white cover on the pickup, is the front hood of the car that is behind (following) the pickup. My explanation regarding the man (yes I only see one man) at the back (I don't see him to be in the loading area) and the difference between the Cancellare and Zapruder picture/frame would be explained by my little understanding of the case in the following way, I admitt, that is speculation also. The Zapruder frame was shot before that Cancellare picture, that is a fact. Now, I assume that the traffic in the area/lane of the pickup was more or less stationary at that time (both Zapruder and also still at the time of the Cancellare shots.) The "sudden" appearance of the man behind the pickup, could well be explained by saying that the man simply walked to that area, between the time Zapruder filmed that frame and Cancellare shooting that picture. Cancellare shows no white cover, Bell doesn't show such a cover, Zapruder only shows that the loading area of the pickup was less reflective to light than the front hood and the roof of the driver cabin of the same pickup. That is my speculative explanation of your findings. Dave...you are indeed correct about the HOOD OF THE ONCOMING CAR. Chris Davidson sent me a much clearer frame with the car farther back before it reaches the truck. The frame I used was a later one posted by John Dolva. Thanks for correcting my assumption. However, you are only half right. There are indeed two men inside the pickup bed. See attachment. Too, the man cannot be STANDING in the middle of Commerce with moving traffic right behind him...BECAUSE HE IS MUCH TOO SHORT. He is about a foot shorter than the truck cab, which is no more than 5 feet tall, which would make a standing man very short . I have another study forthcoming on this. Thanks for your comments. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 A minor point Jack, the 'frame' I posted in 'the southern half of dealey plaza' topic is a composite of many frames blended together into a panorama that shows the boundaries of the area of the southern knoll filmed by Bell, so details are blurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted June 23, 2006 Author Share Posted June 23, 2006 These 3 images are mutually exclusive. All 3 cannot be genuine. Jack Mr. White, in the Bell frame, I think that what you see as white cover on the pickup, is the front hood of the car that is behind (following) the pickup. My explanation regarding the man (yes I only see one man) at the back (I don't see him to be in the loading area) and the difference between the Cancellare and Zapruder picture/frame would be explained by my little understanding of the case in the following way, I admitt, that is speculation also. The Zapruder frame was shot before that Cancellare picture, that is a fact. Now, I assume that the traffic in the area/lane of the pickup was more or less stationary at that time (both Zapruder and also still at the time of the Cancellare shots.) The "sudden" appearance of the man behind the pickup, could well be explained by saying that the man simply walked to that area, between the time Zapruder filmed that frame and Cancellare shooting that picture. Cancellare shows no white cover, Bell doesn't show such a cover, Zapruder only shows that the loading area of the pickup was less reflective to light than the front hood and the roof of the driver cabin of the same pickup. That is my speculative explanation of your findings. Dave...you are indeed correct about the HOOD OF THE ONCOMING CAR. Chris Davidson sent me a much clearer frame with the car farther back before it reaches the truck. The frame I used was a later one posted by John Dolva. Thanks for correcting my assumption. However, you are only half right. There are indeed two men inside the pickup bed. See attachment. Too, the man cannot be STANDING in the middle of Commerce with moving traffic right behind him...BECAUSE HE IS MUCH TOO SHORT. He is about a foot shorter than the truck cab, which is no more than 5 feet tall, which would make a standing man very short . I have another study forthcoming on this. Thanks for your comments. Jack Comparison of standing man in Cancellare with sitting man in pickup bed. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 IMO the standing man, no matter how short he is, is not in the bed of the truck. He is clearly cut off at the waist by the right railing of the bed, which means he is standing behind it. You can see between the left and right railings, and no part of his torso is there. My take. The man was riding in the cab of the truck with the driver. While traffic was stopped, he got out, and for whatever reason uncovered the back of the truck. He appears to be doing something or reaching for something in the bed with his left hand. (There is no second man there that I can see. If there's a second man, sitting very low in the bed, he must have been covered up till the standing man uncovered him. Does that make sense? If it was someone involved in the shooting or plot, his friend would be covering him up, not uncovering him. If the man in the bed had taken a shot from under the cover, I don't think he had a very good angle on JFK. It could only have been a spur of the moment thing. "I'm under cover, we're stopped, and I've got this rifle, so if that's the president, I might as well take a shot at him.") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 (edited) IMO the standing man, no matter how short he is, is not in the bed of the truck. He is clearly cut off at the waist by the right railing of the bed, which means he is standing behind it. You can see between the left and right railings, and no part of his torso is there. You are correct. The truck bed rails are illiminated from the sunlight. The man is shading the portion of the rail directly in front of him which causes Jack to wrongfully think the man is sitting inside the truck bed. Jack used an inferior frame from another film and has admitted in doing so which led to an erred observation, so no need to explain that mistake any further. The frame Jack uses where he thinks he sees a bed cover on the truck is the two illuminated railings blurred just enough to make it appear the truck has a bed cover. The frame Jack chose to make his observation with is probably the only frame that he could have used for the rest of the frames show a sharper image of the truck bed. Note below that one frame shows horizontal blur while the vertical objects are sharp and visa versa. Bill Miller Edited July 5, 2007 by Bill Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 In the Bell film we can see what appears to be the man getting out of or climbing in the passenger side of the cab. Perhaps he went back to lean on the truck bed. I believe James Tague was stuck in this same traffic. e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 In the Bell film we can see what appears to be the man getting out of or climbing in the passenger side of the cab. Perhaps he went back to lean on the truck bed. I believe James Tague was stuck in this same traffic. e The individual on the south knoll behind the lamppost appears to me to be the guy that ran around and behind the truck bed. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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