JFK Timeline Database and Hopeful Thoughts

[Ashton Gray]

I've uploaded to RapidShare a FileMaker Pro 7 database that is a finely-tuned time machine. I do not have it in any other database program format, and have no way to convert it to any other database format.

For those who have FileMaker and would like to download it, here is the link, but I hope you will read the rest of this message if you plan to use it:

JFK Timeline Database in FileMaker Pro 7 format

To download it, you have to scroll to the bottom of the page and click the "Free" button, then scroll to the bottom of the next page you're taken to and enter an on-screen short code, then click the download button.

However modest it might appear cosmetically, it is a simple, sleek, elegant, and frighteningly powerful tool that chews through mountains of data that's fed to it, shreds irrelevant twit-fodder into dust, and leaves actual answers glowing like neon.

I was fortunate enough to have been given a copy of it that the Watergate data had been run through. I've seen what it can do when properly used. The fruits of much of that effort are in the Watergate forum right now, with more to come.

The copy I've uploaded only has a few JFK-related records that I entered from information in the Who Instigated the Dallas Trip, and When? thread, plus a few other sources, just to kickstart the thing for here.

I'm posting this in the somewhat wan hope that someone who has a lot of JFK Assassination knowledge and has FileMaker Pro will pick it up and start filling it in with relevant data. I believe it can work research and analysis miracles. I also don't believe that any satisfactory answers on the assassination ever will be realized without just the kind of timeline this machine is capable of producing.

Why it works

Unlike the creation of any pure text timeline (although the database can export one), the database "forces" information into proper relationship, into proper sequence, and into proper time slots as discrete events that must be assigned a specific date—even if that date first has to be estimated because the only available source is vague about it, and even if the first-estimated date is wrong.

Why "even if it's wrong"? Because as more data is entered, eventually the database will nudge an event away from a wrong date and closer to a correct date. Important events will be reported by different sources. As the database grows, an event with a date that previously had to be estimated (and was off) will suddenly be supplied with a correct date, the date gets changed, the database gets sorted by time, and everything looks different. Or other events dictate that the previously believed estimated date absolutely has to have been two weeks earlier, so the date gets changed to reflect that, and suddenly all kinds of things click into line. That can be repeated infinitely until a certainty about previously vague dates obtains.

This never happens with plain text timelines. People putting them together will say something happened in "1961," or maybe as localized as "October 1961," and leave it at that, when the precise date is absolutely crucial to any hope of actual understanding how it relates to other events.

That's why this database format is such a merciless time machine: it is self-correcting as it grows, and it refuses to take any vague broad-stroke generalities about time. Things happen at specific points in time. There are relationships between events that often remain completely occluded and invisible until the correct sequences of events and their time relationships are identified.

Abusing the Machine

I put the word "forces" in italics earlier when I said the database "forces" information into proper relationship. It actually isn't designed with the option to require dates, but to "use" it without entering them for every event entered is the same as dumping the same data into your garbage disposal. It will have the same value: zero. If you do download the database and start using it that way, you will waste every keystroke you devote to it.

Another way to abuse it is to "improve" it. I said earlier that it is simple. It's incredibly simple. It's a simple flatfile database. There are only a few calculation fields at all, and those only to combine the individual elements of entered dates—day, month, and year—into separate formatted fields with the full date, one in text format for display, one in full date format for sorting the database on. Other than that it has a text field for "Event" and one for "Source." That's it.

But its simplicity is its power. That cannot possibly be overstated or said enough or driven home hard enough. Trying to trick it out or make it a "relational database" or add a bunch of "new, improved" fields or any other bells, whistles, or bric-a-brac is a damned good way to make it useless, so why bother to download it at all? Why not just make whatever you want to make, and go for it?

The point of all that rant being that if you assay to use this machine, please use it as intended so you can realize its full power to clear out nonsense and bring vitally important relationships into view.

How to use it

The database as it exists contains 10 entries. The first one is just a "dummy" entry that shows how the day and month fields can contain a "c." (circa) notice to indicate dates that haven't been firmed up yet, and that also gives a brief rundown of where the gas tank is and how to beep the horn and the other very basic essentials of cranking 'er up and letting 'er rip.

That "dummy" entry has a date of the first day of 1930, so it's likely to remain the first entry in any time-sorted version that has data just on the JFK assassination. You also can make a copy of the database and delete that record after you get the feel of the thing.

The other nine entries are some actual JFK-related incidents that I input to give some practical examples. One or two of those, of necessity, have "circa" day indications because no absolutely certain date is known. Those may need to be changed at some point, but the database will let you know when and if it does—not by red flashing lights and a monotone gender-neutral mechanical voice, but because you'll get better information, or the sequence will suddenly be impossible, and you'll at least know which direction that event has to be moved.

The Power of Searching and Sorting

Until you see how powerful it is to do a search on "Connally" in the "Event" field, plus "1962" on the year field, and suddenly have every relevant event you've entered in which John Connally was involved that year appear in isolation, and then do a "Sort" and have every one of those events in chronological order in an instant, it's difficult even to conceive.

To then stack search commands, e.g. with "Connally" and "Dulles" and whoever or whatever else you want to see in sequential relationship, you have a damned near frightening amount of research power at your instant command.

The Downside

Data input is extremely time consuming and tedious. It is that way everywhere, under any conditions. It's work. It takes wanting to do it and the perseverance to make it happen.

Copy-and-paste and drag-and-drop make things somewhat easier, but not a lot.

The good news is that rewards are frequent and often very surprising.

One hope is that people could put together a massive JFK timeline as a cooperative effort, with somebody extracting events from one book, another inputting events from some set of testimony, etc., then combining and pruning as necessary.

Importing Records?

In almost direct contravention to my caveats above about "improving" the database design, one improvement that I think might be of considerable use would be a way to import records from existing sources. I think (though haven't put it to any real test) that the date calculation fields, the way they are set up, make that difficult to do. If some workaround or refinement could be done that would facilitate import from other sources without compromising the inherent functionality of the machine, I think that could be a great boon.

Closing Thoughts

Of course this timeline database machine is offered only as an aid to anyone who wants to avail themselves of it and who thinks it might have some value.

I think it's literally invaluable, and indespensable, or I wouldn't be bothering to write this and upload it.

I wish I had the time available to me to launch into its use for the JFK assassination, because I would. But I simply don't have the time available to me, and won't for the foreseeable future.

This copy of the database as it stands with these few JFK entries is put into the public domain. It is hoped that if and as it grows, no one will try to make it proprietary, but will make the knowledge broadly available.

Thanks for taking the time to read all this, and for your interest.

I hope this helps.

Ashton Gray

Edited July 23, 2006 by Ashton Gray

[Michael Hogan]

Bruce Campbell Adamson has published a 305 page book entitled JFK Timeline Chart with George de Mohrenschildt as a key figure.

http://www.ciajfk.com/timeline.html

Adamson says this about his JFK Timeline Chart:

There are many people who, I feel, look guilty, but there is not enough evidence to nail them down, if in fact they truly are guilty. If they don't fit into the puzzle, one can not go around cutting corners or making up stories about them to force them into the final picture. Yet, the Devil is in the detail. People who were a part of any conspiracy were very wealthy and clever people and they truly believed that it would always remain a secret. The Timeline Chart could help, for it will help others who know more than myself to fill in some of the blanks.

.......This Timeline Chart will save the reader the ten years and a $150,000 that I have invested.

Here is Adamson's CIA list. Interesting.

http://www.ciajfk.com/list.html

Edited July 26, 2006 by Michael Hogan

[William Kelly]

Bruce Campbell Adamson has published a 305 page book entitled JFK Timeline Chart with George de Mohrenschildt as a key figure.

http://www.ciajfk.com/timeline.html

Adamson says this about his JFK Timeline Chart:

There are many people who, I feel, look guilty, but there is not enough evidence to nail them down, if in fact they truly are guilty. If they don't fit into the puzzle, one can not go around cutting corners or making up stories about them to force them into the final picture. Yet, the Devil is in the detail. People who were a part of any conspiracy were very wealthy and clever people and they truly believed that it would always remain a secret. The Timeline Chart could help, for it will help others who know more than myself to fill in some of the blanks.

.......This Timeline Chart will save the reader the ten years and a $150,000 that I have invested.

Here is Adamson's CIA list. Interesting.

http://www.ciajfk.com/list.html

I was just re-reading Adamson's chart last night. There are some usefull enteries, but he lacks any references to his sources for information. His insinuation that everyone is "CIA" isn't of any use either, though he does zero in on some very interesting people.

He also fails to realize that the Six Degrees of Separation theory is true, and you can make any connection between any two people in six or less steps, though one or two steps is certainly suspicious, and less coincidental.

His focus on George DeMohrenschildt makes for an interesting biography, however he's broken it up into six different books and now I'm all confused.

Ira Woods has a very good Timeline and Larry Hancock put one together that may be included in the next edition of his book.

Mary Ferrell also had the best JFK assassination chronology, which was started by someone else and she kept it going.

I don't believe Mary Ferrell's Chrono is on line, and maybe Rex Bradford could ask about it.

The idea of putting all the available JFK assassination timelines into one computer program sounds like a good idea to me.

I tried, and even updated my computer to latest Windows software, but couldn't get into the program posted, though I'd like to try it again and hope others try it and give a report on its usefullness.

Bill Kelly

[Ashton Gray]

I tried, and even updated my computer to latest Windows software, but couldn't get into the program posted, though I'd like to try it again and hope others try it and give a report on its usefullness.

Hey, Bill. I'm really chagrined to hear about your difficulty. The file is supposed to be cross-platform.

It isn't really a program, though: it's a file that requires the program FileMaker Pro to open and use. I may not have made that entirely clear in my message, or gave it too short shrift trying to get to the philosophy and nuts-and-bolts of the thing. If so, and that's what created the problem I apologize.

I will whistle up some friends who have FileMaker on Windows and get them to download and test at least to make sure there isn't a corruption problem with the file. If so, I can try compressing it with .zip and Stuffit and re-upload it.

Ashton

[William Kelly]

I tried, and even updated my computer to latest Windows software, but couldn't get into the program posted, though I'd like to try it again and hope others try it and give a report on its usefullness.

Hey, Bill. I'm really chagrined to hear about your difficulty. The file is supposed to be cross-platform.

It isn't really a program, though: it's a file that requires the program FileMaker Pro to open and use. I may not have made that entirely clear in my message, or gave it too short shrift trying to get to the philosophy and nuts-and-bolts of the thing. If so, and that's what created the problem I apologize.

I will whistle up some friends who have FileMaker on Windows and get them to download and test at least to make sure there isn't a corruption problem with the file. If so, I can try compressing it with .zip and Stuffit and re-upload it.

Ashton

I HAVEN'T GIVEN UP YET, ASHTON.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IF A PROJECT COULD BE STARTED TO COMBINE ALL THE KNOWN JFK ASSASSINATION CHRONOLOGIES, AND THIS LOOKS LIKE IT COULD HELP.

BK

[William Kelly]

I know of a number of JFK Assassination Chronologies/Timelines -

- Mary Ferrell

- Ira Wood

- Larry Hancock

- Bruce C. Adamson

- Carlos Bringuier (From the appendix to his book)

- Van Gose's Cuban Chronology (Below)

(From Appendix of Where the Boys Are – Cuba, Cold War America and the Making of a New Left by Van Gosse,Verson, London/NY 1993).

1952 – March 9 – Former president Fulgencio Batista seizes power in Cuba, suppresses political parties.

1953 – July 26 – Student militants led by Fidel Castro fail in attempt to take Moncada fort in Santiago de Oriente and set off a popular rebellion; most of those caught are killed.

1953 – October 16 – Castro gives his “History Will Absolve Me” speech.

1954 – June – CIA-organized Liberation Army stages ‘invasion’ of Guatemala, instigating coup against elected government of Jacobo Arbenz.

1953 – May – Following a general amnesty, Castro and supporters for 26th of July Movement, go to Mexico to begin planning insurrection.

1953 – October – Castro tours Cuban communities on US East Coast, organizing support.

1956 – December 2 – 82 members of the 26th of July Movement land from the yacht Granma in Oriente province, a dozen survivors reach the Sierra Maestra: Cuban government claims Castro is killed.

1957 – February 24-26 – Series by Herbert L. Matthews in the New York Times proves Castro is alive, inspiring Cuban supporters and U.S. press.

1957 – March – Three sons of US servicemen at Guantanamo base join rebel band in Sierra Maestra.

1957 – May – Robert Taber’s documentary, ‘Rebel of the Sierra Maestra: The Story of Cuba’s Jungle Fighters’, airs on CBS.

1958 – March – Denunciations of US support for Batista in Congress lead to Eisenhower administration embargo on further weapons shipments to Cuba.

1958 – April – General strike by 26th of July Movement in Havana fails.

1958 – July – US servicemen and civilians taken hostage by Raul Castro’s column in Sierra Cristal.

1958 – December – Eisenhower’s private envoy fails in last-minute attempts to convince Batista to resign in favor of a coalition government to exclude Castro. 26th of July Movement begins final offensive.

1959 – January 1 – In New Year’s first hours, Batista flees Cuba; 26th of July Movement assumes power.

1959 – April 15 – Fidel Castro arrives in United States on ‘truth operation’, tours Washington, D.C., New York City, and Harvard and Princeton universities.

1959 – June 3 – Agrarian Reform law promulgated, ending period of ambiguity in US-Cuban relations; State Department protests, demands immediate full compensation.

1959 – July 18-24 – Castro resigns as premier to force resignation of Provisional President Manuel Urrutia, then resumes office.

1959 – August 13 – Major William Morgan of US plays leading role in blocking exile landing from Dominican Republic; hailed by Castro, loses US citizenship.

1959 – October 22 – arrest of anti-Communist Major Huber Matos and a group of his officers.

1959 – November – US begins covert hostilities against Cuba, including support for exile groups in Florida; consensus reached among policymakers to remove Castro.

1960 – January 23 – Robert Taber’s article in The Nation leads to organization of Fair Play for Cuba Committee (FPCC) by Tabor and Alan Sagner.

1960 – February – Deputy Premier Anastas Mikoyan of USSR visits island; Cuba and Soviet Union sign agreement to barter Soviet industrial goods for 5 million tons of sugar over five years.

1960 – March 4 – Munitions ship La Coubre explodes in Havana harbor, US withdraws ambassador ‘for consultations’ in response to Castro’s charges of US involvement.

1960 – March 17 – Eisenhower approves plan for exile invasion.

1960 – April 6 – New York Times advertisement announces formation of FPCC.

1960 – May 7 – Cuba and Soviet Union establish diplomatic relations.

1960 – June-July – US-owned refineries refuse to refine Soviet oil, are nationalized. Most of Cuba’s guaranteed quota of sugar sales to US is cut. Soviet Union pledges support for Cuba against any aggression. FPCC delegation of African-Americans including Robert F. Williams, LeRoi Jones and Harold Cruse visit Cuba.

1960 – August – Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kennedy begins attacks on Republican ‘softness’ towards Castro. Socialist Workers Party enters FPCC after negotiations with Taber.

1960 – September – During attendance at meeting of UN General Assembly, Castro stays at Theresa Hotel in Harlem, greets world leaders.

1960 – October 13 – Cuba nationalizes all major enterprises still in private hands.

1960 – October 19 – Eisenhower administration announces embargo on trade with Cuba as Kennedy continues to attack Republican presidential candidate Nixon for losing Cuba, calls for aid to counter-revolutionaries on island.

1960 – October 24 – Final expropriation of 166 remaining US-owned business.

1960 – November – Kennedy elected.

1960 – November – C. Wright Mill’s Listen, Yankee published. LeRoi Jone’s essay ‘Cuba Libra’ appears in Evergreen.

1960 – November – Candidacy for mayor of New York City by Norman Mailer on pro-Fidel platform aborted.

1960 – November 19 – Ronald Hiton article in The Nation exposes US-run training camps for exile invasion in Guatemala.

1960 – December 23 – FPCC delegation of 326 people departs from Miami on ‘Christmas Tour’.

1961 – January - US breaks diplomatic relations with Cuba, bans travel to island. FPCC ordered to register as foreign agents, refuses. Charges in hearing of Senate Internal Security Subcommittee that Cuban government paid for 6 April 1960 Times ad. Taber stays in Cuba to avoid indictment.

1961 – March – Alliance for Progress announced.

1961 – March – Theodore Draper’s ‘Castro’s Cuba; A Revolution Betrayed?’ appears in Encounter.

1961 – April 5 – Kennedy administration releases ‘White Paper on Cuba’, written by Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., accusing Castro of betraying revolution.

1961 – April 15 – Havana bombed in preparation for exile invasion; US ambassador to UN Adlai Stevenson claims raid is by defectors from Cuban Air Force. Castro declares for first time that revolution is ‘socialist’.

1961 – April 17 – Brigade 2506 lands at Playa Giron in the Bay of Pigs on Cuba’s south coast. Defeated in three days by Cuban militia as Kennedy refuses to authorize US air strikes. Protests meetings and rallies across US.

1961 – August – Robert F. Williams receives asylum in Cuba. FPCC begins rapid decline.

1961 – December – Fidel Castro declares ‘I am a Marxist-Leninist.’

1962 – September – Richard Gibson, Taber’s successor as executive secretary of FPCC, flees US.

1962 – October – Cuban Missile Crisis.

1963 – May – Committee for Non-Violent Action begins Quebec-to-Guantanamo Peace Walk.

1963 – November 22 – Lee Harvey Oswald, purported member of FPCC, charged with shooting Kennedy.

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[William Kelly]

Sorry, Double Post.

Edited July 30, 2006 by William Kelly

[Ashton Gray]

I know of a number of JFK Assassination Chronologies/Timelines -

Thanks. Yes. I've seen them. In fact, they are one of the primary motivations for my having created this thread and uploaded the database file. It's why I said in my introductory message:

• People putting them together will say something happened in "1961," or maybe as localized as "October 1961," and leave it at that, when the precise date is absolutely crucial to any hope of actual understanding how it relates to other events.
  That's why this database format is such a merciless time machine: it is self-correcting as it grows, and it refuses to take any vague broad-stroke generalities about time. Things happen at specific points in time. There are relationships between events that often remain completely occluded and invisible until the correct sequences of events and their time relationships are identified.
  

Ashton Gray

[Michael Hogan]

Paul Thompson's comprehensive 911 Timeline:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/main/t...ecomplete1.html

Imagine a similar JFK Assassination Timeline.

[Terry Mauro]

I've uploaded to RapidShare a FileMaker Pro 7 database that is a finely-tuned time machine. I do not have it in any other database program format, and have no way to convert it to any other database format.

For those who have FileMaker and would like to download it, here is the link, but I hope you will read the rest of this message if you plan to use it:

JFK Timeline Database in FileMaker Pro 7 format

To download it, you have to scroll to the bottom of the page and click the "Free" button, then scroll to the bottom of the next page you're taken to and enter an on-screen short code, then click the download button.

However modest it might appear cosmetically, it is a simple, sleek, elegant, and frighteningly powerful tool that chews through mountains of data that's fed to it, shreds irrelevant twit-fodder into dust, and leaves actual answers glowing like neon.

I was fortunate enough to have been given a copy of it that the Watergate data had been run through. I've seen what it can do when properly used. The fruits of much of that effort are in the Watergate forum right now, with more to come.

The copy I've uploaded only has a few JFK-related records that I entered from information in the Who Instigated the Dallas Trip, and When? thread, plus a few other sources, just to kickstart the thing for here.

I'm posting this in the somewhat wan hope that someone who has a lot of JFK Assassination knowledge and has FileMaker Pro will pick it up and start filling it in with relevant data. I believe it can work research and analysis miracles. I also don't believe that any satisfactory answers on the assassination ever will be realized without just the kind of timeline this machine is capable of producing.

Why it works

Unlike the creation of any pure text timeline (although the database can export one), the database "forces" information into proper relationship, into proper sequence, and into proper time slots as discrete events that must be assigned a specific date—even if that date first has to be estimated because the only available source is vague about it, and even if the first-estimated date is wrong.

Why "even if it's wrong"? Because as more data is entered, eventually the database will nudge an event away from a wrong date and closer to a correct date. Important events will be reported by different sources. As the database grows, an event with a date that previously had to be estimated (and was off) will suddenly be supplied with a correct date, the date gets changed, the database gets sorted by time, and everything looks different. Or other events dictate that the previously believed estimated date absolutely has to have been two weeks earlier, so the date gets changed to reflect that, and suddenly all kinds of things click into line. That can be repeated infinitely until a certainty about previously vague dates obtains.

This never happens with plain text timelines. People putting them together will say something happened in "1961," or maybe as localized as "October 1961," and leave it at that, when the precise date is absolutely crucial to any hope of actual understanding how it relates to other events.

That's why this database format is such a merciless time machine: it is self-correcting as it grows, and it refuses to take any vague broad-stroke generalities about time. Things happen at specific points in time. There are relationships between events that often remain completely occluded and invisible until the correct sequences of events and their time relationships are identified.

Abusing the Machine

I put the word "forces" in italics earlier when I said the database "forces" information into proper relationship. It actually isn't designed with the option to require dates, but to "use" it without entering them for every event entered is the same as dumping the same data into your garbage disposal. It will have the same value: zero. If you do download the database and start using it that way, you will waste every keystroke you devote to it.

Another way to abuse it is to "improve" it. I said earlier that it is simple. It's incredibly simple. It's a simple flatfile database. There are only a few calculation fields at all, and those only to combine the individual elements of entered dates—day, month, and year—into separate formatted fields with the full date, one in text format for display, one in full date format for sorting the database on. Other than that it has a text field for "Event" and one for "Source." That's it.

But its simplicity is its power. That cannot possibly be overstated or said enough or driven home hard enough. Trying to trick it out or make it a "relational database" or add a bunch of "new, improved" fields or any other bells, whistles, or bric-a-brac is a damned good way to make it useless, so why bother to download it at all? Why not just make whatever you want to make, and go for it?

The point of all that rant being that if you assay to use this machine, please use it as intended so you can realize its full power to clear out nonsense and bring vitally important relationships into view.

How to use it

The database as it exists contains 10 entries. The first one is just a "dummy" entry that shows how the day and month fields can contain a "c." (circa) notice to indicate dates that haven't been firmed up yet, and that also gives a brief rundown of where the gas tank is and how to beep the horn and the other very basic essentials of cranking 'er up and letting 'er rip.

That "dummy" entry has a date of the first day of 1930, so it's likely to remain the first entry in any time-sorted version that has data just on the JFK assassination. You also can make a copy of the database and delete that record after you get the feel of the thing.

The other nine entries are some actual JFK-related incidents that I input to give some practical examples. One or two of those, of necessity, have "circa" day indications because no absolutely certain date is known. Those may need to be changed at some point, but the database will let you know when and if it does—not by red flashing lights and a monotone gender-neutral mechanical voice, but because you'll get better information, or the sequence will suddenly be impossible, and you'll at least know which direction that event has to be moved.

The Power of Searching and Sorting

Until you see how powerful it is to do a search on "Connally" in the "Event" field, plus "1962" on the year field, and suddenly have every relevant event you've entered in which John Connally was involved that year appear in isolation, and then do a "Sort" and have every one of those events in chronological order in an instant, it's difficult even to conceive.

To then stack search commands, e.g. with "Connally" and "Dulles" and whoever or whatever else you want to see in sequential relationship, you have a damned near frightening amount of research power at your instant command.

The Downside

Data input is extremely time consuming and tedious. It is that way everywhere, under any conditions. It's work. It takes wanting to do it and the perseverance to make it happen.

Copy-and-paste and drag-and-drop make things somewhat easier, but not a lot.

The good news is that rewards are frequent and often very surprising.

One hope is that people could put together a massive JFK timeline as a cooperative effort, with somebody extracting events from one book, another inputting events from some set of testimony, etc., then combining and pruning as necessary.

Importing Records?

In almost direct contravention to my caveats above about "improving" the database design, one improvement that I think might be of considerable use would be a way to import records from existing sources. I think (though haven't put it to any real test) that the date calculation fields, the way they are set up, make that difficult to do. If some workaround or refinement could be done that would facilitate import from other sources without compromising the inherent functionality of the machine, I think that could be a great boon.

Closing Thoughts

Of course this timeline database machine is offered only as an aid to anyone who wants to avail themselves of it and who thinks it might have some value.

I think it's literally invaluable, and indespensable, or I wouldn't be bothering to write this and upload it.

I wish I had the time available to me to launch into its use for the JFK assassination, because I would. But I simply don't have the time available to me, and won't for the foreseeable future.

This copy of the database as it stands with these few JFK entries is put into the public domain. It is hoped that if and as it grows, no one will try to make it proprietary, but will make the knowledge broadly available.

Thanks for taking the time to read all this, and for your interest.

I hope this helps.

Ashton Gray

*****************************************************

"I wish I had the time available to me to launch into its use for the JFK assassination, because I would. But I simply don't have the time available to me, and won't for the foreseeable future."

Ashton,

Thank you for turning us on to this useful new tool. I realize your time is at a premium, but if we could have had your focused expertise on the Assassination, to just an iota of the degree you've had on the Watergate affair, it would have been a force to be reckoned with, I can assure you.

Best regards,

Ter

[William Kelly]

Paul Thompson's comprehensive 911 Timeline:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/main/t...ecomplete1.html

Imagine a similar JFK Assassination Timeline.

Michael, I met Paul in DC and his testimony before Cynthia McKinney's Congressional Briefing last July was important. His Timeline book is also necessary to understand the events of 911.

His Timeline is so detailed however and covers so many years and so much ground, it can do the opposite of what a Timeline is suppose to do, and make things that happen over time more clear.

Here's my timeline on 911 which I did myself from the times mentioned and published in the 911 Commission Final Report.

I will also post it over on the 911 Thread.

A JFK Assassination Timeline is a necessity and a combined timeline would really be handy.

BK

NORAD – FAA Timeline – per 911 Commission Final Report

06:00 am – Mohamed Atta and Abdul Aziz al Omari board flight from Portland, Maine to Boston’s Logan International Airport.

06:45 am – Atta and Omari arrive in Boston.

06:45-07:40 – Atta (Business class 8D) and Omari (8G), w/ Satam al Suqami (10B), Wail al Shehri (1st class 2A) and Waleed al Shehri (1st class 2B), check in and board American Airline Flight 11 (AA11), Boston-LA, scheduled to deparat 7:45 am. At another terminal Shehhi (2B), Fayez Banihammad (2A), Mohamd al Shehri (6C), Ahmed al Ghamdi (9D) and Hamza al Ghamdi (9C) check in for United Airlines Flight 175, Boston-LA, set for 08:00 am departure.

06:52 am – Atta takes a 3 minute call from Marwan al Shehhi at another terminal at Logan.

07:15 am – Khalid al Mihdhar (12B) and Majed Moqed (12A) check in at the American Airlines ticket counter at Washington Dulles Airport for Flight 77 (AA77), DC-LA, followed shortly thereafter by Hani Hanjour (1st C 1B) and brothers Nawaf al Hazmi (5E) and Salem al Hazmi (5E).

07:35 am – Hani Hanjour places two carry on bags on the x-ray belt in the Main Terminal’s west checkpoint, followed by Nawaf and Salem al Hazmi to AA77.

07:58 am – UA175 departs gate at Logan Boston-LA; Captain Victor Saracini; First Officer Michael Horrocks, seven flight attendants, fifty-six passengers.

07:59 am – American Airlines Flight 11 (AA11) takes off - Boston – LA. Captain John Ogonowski; First Officer Thomas McGuinness; 9 flight attendants, full capacity 81 passengers.

08:01 am – United Airlines 93 (UA93) leaves gate at Newark- San Fran. 41 min. delay and doesn’t take off until 08:42, unaware of other hijacking.

08:10 am – AA77 scheduled to depart DC Dulles for LA. Captain Charles F. Burlingame pilot; David Charlebois First Officer; four flight attendants, fifty-eight passengers.

08:13 am – AA11 acknowledges instruction f/ FAA Boston Center (in New Hampshire)

08:13:30 am – AA11 hijacked. Pilot John Ogonowski activates talk-back button, enabling Boston controllers to hear cockpit conversations.

08:14 am – United Airlines 175 UA175 takes off for Logan Boston-LA.

08:14 am – Hijacking of AA11 begins, cruising altitude 29,000 feet. Daniel Lewin, seated behind Atta and Omari, is stabbed by hijacker, most likely Satam al Suqami, seated directly behind Lewin, an Israeli military officer.

08:15 am – AA11 fails to acknowledge FAA Boston Center

O8:19 am – Flight attendant Betty Ong calls [Vanessa Minter] the AA Southeastern Reservations Office in Cary, N.C., via ATT airphone to report an emergency aboard the flight: “The cockpit is not answering, somebody’s stabbed in business class, I think there’s Mace – that we can’t breath – I don’t know, I think we’re getting hijacked.” Also two flight attendants stabbed.

08:20 am – AA11 turns of IFF (identify friend or foe) beacon signal.

08:20 am – AA77 takes off from Dulles IA DC – LA.

08:21 am – Boston air traffic controller reports to supervisor that something is seriously wrong. Follow SOP for “no radio” contact. AA11 off radar.

08:21 am – Vanessa Minter at AA North Carolina relays info to Craig Marquis, manager of AA ops center, Fort Worth, Texas. FBI logs onto call and tapes it. AA11 Flight attendant Amy Sweeney calls AA ground manager Michael Woodward, who takes notes.

“Listen and listen to me very carefully. I’m on Flight 11. The airplane has been hijacked.” Gives seat numbers to four of five hijackers of Middle East descent and reports that two flight attendants have been stabbed and a passenger’s throat slashed. Woodward quickly identifies all four including Mohamed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari.

08:23 am – AA dispatcher unsuccessfully tires to contact AA11.

08:24:38 am – AA11 transmits “We have some planes. Just stay quiet, and you’ll be okay. We are returning to the airport” Then after a pause, “….Nobody move. Everything will be okay. If you try to make any moves, you’ll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet.”

08:24:40 am – FAA Boston Center Air Traffic Control (BCATC) notifies superior that AA11 hijacked. Manager of BCATC orders the tape of transmission “pulled” to determine if the transmission said “Planes” – as in plural.

08:25 am - Amy Sweeney calls American Flight Services Office in Boston and reports someone aboard flight is hurt, but is cut off.

08:25 am – FAA BCATC, per protocol, begins notifying chain of command that AA11 hijacked.

08:26 am – Ong reports that the plane was “flying erratically.”

08:27 am – AA supervisor Nydia Gonzales begins to listen in to Ong-Minter call.

08:28 am – FAA Boston Center ATC notifies New York Center ATC that hijacked AA11 is entering it’s airspace, heading south.

08:29 am – AA11 fails to acknowledge AA Boston; AA dispatcher notifies FAA Boston Air Traffic Control Center, already aware of the problem, because of AA11 radio transmissions.

08:29 am – Amy Sweeney reconnected to the AA office and begins reports to manger Michael Woodward, including seat numbers of hijackers so he immediately obtains their names.

08:30 am – Brigadier Gen. Montague Winfield leaves the National Military Command Center (NMCC) – the War Room at the Pentagon, and is replaced by Navy Capt., per arrangement from the day before.

08:31 am – FAA Command Center tells FAA Operations Center at FAA HQ of possible hijackings.

08:31 am – FAA Boston Center notifies NORAD (Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins) of AA11 hijacking.

08:33 am – UA175 reaches cruising altitude of 31,000 feet. Flight attendants begin cabin service.

08:34 am – FAA Boston Center – Air traffic controller makes telephone calls outside of chain of command to Otis ANG and 177th NJANG in Atlantic City, requesting fighter interceptors, unaware that NJANG in Atlantic City had been taken off alert more than two years earlier.

8:34 am – Two F-16s from the 177th NJANG are reportedly in the air making making practice bombing runs over the New Jersey Pine Barrens, and two F-16s are on the tarmac ready to take off on a practice bombing mission in upstate New York. They are kept on the runway and eventually ordered not to take off and return to base. They arm with air-to-air missiles and prepare to go up once armed.

08:34 am – Third transmission from AA11 : “Nobody move please. We are going back to the airport. Don’t try to make any stupid moves.”

08:37 – FAA Boston Center communicates with UA175 about AA11 and UA175 reports of suspicious transmissions. Last contact with UA175.

08:37:52 – FAA Boston Center notifies NORAD NEADS (North East Air Defense Sector) in Rome, New York : “Hi. Boston Center TMU, we have a problem here. We have a hijacked aircraft headed towards New York, and we need you guys to, we need someone to scramble some F-16s or something up there, help us out.”

08:38 am – NEADS responds: “Is this real-world or exercise?”

FAA: “No, this is not an exercise, not a test.”

08:40 am – AA77 handed off routinely from DC to Indianapolis Center.

0840 am – NEADS senior tech. Jeremy Powell calls Otis ANG to upgrade their “readiness posture.” Maj. Daniel Nash (“Nasty”) and Lt. Col. Timothy Duffy (“Duff”) are notified “by colleague” about hijacking.

08:41 am – American Airline’s Operations Center declares AA11 a hijacking.

08:42 am – United 93 (UA93) takes off from Newark, N.J. to LA. Jason Dahl Captain; Leroy Homer First Officer; five flight attendants, thirty-seven passengers.

08:42 am – UA175 reports “suspicious transmissions” from another airliner were received while taking off at 08:14. Last communication with ground.

08:43 am – 08:46 – UA175 hijacked, stabbing both pilots, two passengers and a flight attendant.

08:44 am – Gonzalez loses phone contact with Ong. Sweeney reports to Woodward, “Something is wrong. We are in rapid descent…we are all over the place…We are flying low. We are flying very, very low. We are flying way too low…Oh my God we are way too low.”

08:44 am – Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld at the Pentagon says of terrorism, “Let me tell ya, I’ve been around the block a few times. There will be another event. There will be another event.”

08:46 am – (approx.) UA93 hijacked.

08:46 am – AA77 reaches cruising altitude of 35,000 feet.

08:46:40 am – AA11 impacts World Trade Center 1 (WTC1 North Tower)

08:46 am – CIA Director Tenent is told of the WTC “attack” over breakfast with former Sen. David Boren. Tenent : “You know, this has bin Laden’s fingerprints all over it.”

08:46 am – Two F-15s scrambled Otis ANG, Falmouth, Mass (Cape Cod) 153 miles out.

08:46 am – Two F-16s assigned to Andrews AFB, flying bombing practice mission over North Carolina, recalled to DC, 207 miles away.

08:46 am – FAA opens telephone line with Secret Service.

08:46 am – NORAD Command Capt. Micahel Jellinek reports telephone links established with the National Military Command Center (NMCC)- the war room at the Pentagon, Canada command, theater commanders and federal emergency-response agencies.

08:47 am – UA175 changes transponder codes, which went unnoticed for several minutes

08:48 am – First news reports that plane has hit the WTC1. Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, Vice Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, learns of WTC1 crash from TV report before entering a meeting with Sen. Max Cleland on Capitol Hill.

08:48 am – FAA New York Center reports to FAA HQ Command Center (Herndon, Va) that American Airlines (Dallas, Tx) reported in that one of their flight stewards was stabbed and hijackers in cockpit, unaware AA11 had crashed into WTC1.

08:50 am – FAA Indianapolis Center radios AA77. Acknowledged, last transmission.

08:51 am – FAA New York Center notices UA175 code changed. No radio response, and flight deviating from assigned altitude.

08:51 am – AA77 makes last routine transmission.

08:51:30 – 08:54 – AA77 hijacking takes place.

08:52 am – Fighters airborne from Otis, ordered to staging area south of Long Island, NY and into a holding pattern.

08:52 am – Lee Hanson, in Easton, Conn. Receives call form son Peter on UA175, “I think they’ve taken over the cockpit – An attendant has been stabbed, and someone else up front may have been killed. The plane is making strange moves. Call United Airlines – Tell them it’s Flight 175, Boston to LA.” Hanson then calls Easton PD. Flight attendant on UA175 calls United office in San Francisco and tells Marc Policastro the flight has been hijacked, both pilots killed and flight attendant stabbed, and hijackers flying the plane.

08:53 am – FAA NYC air traffic controller reports “we may have a hijack” re:US175.

08:54 am – FAA Indy notices AA77 deviates from flight plan.

08:54 am – Capt. Deborah Loewer, director of the White House Situation Room, traveling with Bush in Florida, receives message from WHSR about WTC1, and she informs Bush.

08:55 am – FAA NYC air traffic control (a women) notifies manager US175 probably hijacked, but FAA regional managers, discussing AA11, “refuse to be disturbed.”

08:56 am – AA77 transponder turned off, now off radar. No radio response.

08:58 am – UA175 turns around and heads for NYC.

08:59 am – UA175 passenger Brian David Sweeney calls wife and leaves message on her answering machine, calls mother, tells her plane hijacked.

09:00 am – Lee Hanson gets second call from son Peter on UA175. “It’s getting bad, Dad – A stewardess was stabbed – They seem to have knives and Mace – They said they have a bomb – It’s getting very bad on the plane – Passengers are throwing up and getting sick – The plane is making jerking movements – I don’t think the pilot is flying the plane – I think we are going down – I think they intend to go to Chicago or someplace and fly into a building – Don’t worry Dad – If it happens it’ll be very fast – My God, my God.” Hanson heard a women scream before the phone call was cut off.

09:00 am – AA Ex. VP Geral Arpey learns that communication lost with AA77, the second AA plane in trouble. He orders all AA planes on the ground in the Northeast to remain on ground.

09:00 am – FAA Indy notifies other agencies AA77 missing, believed crashed.

09:00 am – Pentagon moves its alert status up one notch to Alpha, United warns all aircraft of potential cockpit intrusion, Flight 93 acknowledges.

09:01 am – NYC calls FAA HQ Command Center (Herndon) “We have several situations going on here. It’s escalating big, big time. We need to get the military involved with us….we’re, we’re involved with something else, we have other aircraft that may have a similar situation going on here.”

09:02 am – NYC Center: “Alright, heads up man, it looks like another one coming in.”

09:03:02 am – US175 impacts WTC2 (South Tower)

09:03 am – Bush enters Florida school.

09:03 am – Gen. M. Winfield, (absent from his station at NMCC) later said, “When the second aircraft flew into the second tower, it was at that point we realized that the seemingly unrelated hijackings that the FAA was dealing with were in fact a part of a coordinated terrorist attack on the United States.”

09:03 am – Secret Service agents carry VP Cheney into basement to underground bunker; calls Andrews AFB and requests F-16s CAP, but Andrews off alert, not battle ready and must arm planes with air-to-air missiles.

09:03 am – Boston Center reports they deciphered the transmission, “I’m gonna reconfirm with, with downstairs, but the, as far as the tape…seemed to think the guy said that ‘we have planes.’ Now I don’t know if it was the accent, or if there’s more than one, but I’m gonna reconfirm that for you, and I’ll get back to you real qick, Okay?”

09:03 – NORAD receives calls from fighter units, “What can we do to help?” Marr replies, “I want it all. Get to the phones. Call every major National Guard unit in the land. Prepare to put jets in the air. The nation is under attack!”

09:04 am - Boston Center: “A second one just hit the trade center.” New England Region: “Okay, yea, we gotta get – we gotta alert the military real quick on this.”

09:05 am – FAA New York Center declares ATC Zero, no aircraft permitted to depart from, arrive at or travel through New York Center airspace until further notice.

09:05 am – Boston Center radios all aircraft of New York situation and to secure cockpits

09:05 am – AA77 reemerges on FAA Indy Center radar, east of last known position.

09:07 am – FAA Boston ATC requests FAA Herndon Command Center “get messages to airborne aircraft to increase security for the cockpit.” No evidence Herndon did this.

09:08 am – FAA Indy Center notifies Langley and W.V. State PD of possible crash.

09:08 am – NEADS learns of WTC2 impact and sends F-16s to Manhattan. “This is what I forsee that we probably need to do. We need to talk to FAA. WE need to tell em’ if this stuff is gonna keep on going, we need to take those fighters, put ‘em over Manhattan. That’s the best thing, that’s the best play right now. So coordinate with the FAA. Tell ‘em if there’s more out there, which we don’t know, let’s get ‘em over Manhattan. At least we got some kind of play.”

09:09 am – Langley F-16s placed at battle stations.

09:10 am – AA77 reenters DC airspace.

09:10 am – AA orders all planes on the ground nationwide grounded.

09:12 am – Passenger Renee May calls mother, tells her to alert AA of hijacking.

09:16 am – FAA informs NORAD Flight 93 hijacked.

09:16 am – Passenger Barbara Olson calls her husband Ted Olson, solicitor general of US, reporting the flight AA77 has been hijacked. Call cut off.

09:20 am – FAA Indy learns of other hijacked aircraft.

09:21 am – FAA reports to NEADS “I just heard a report that AA77 is still in the air, and it’s on its way toward – heading towards Washington.”

09:21 am – NY Port Authority closes all bridges and tunnels in NYC.

09:23 am – UA93 notified to beef up cockpit security.

09:24 am – FAA HQ CC Notifies NEADS of hijacking of AA77 – Dulles – LA

09:24 am – Three F-16s scrambled from Langley AFB, Hampton, Va. Fly east to staging area over the ocean.

09:25 am – Combat Air Patrol (CAP) established over Manhattan. Fuel now low, Langley planes considered as back-up.

09:25 am – Barbara Olson, passenger on Flight 77, calls husband, Theodore Olson at Justice Dept. again, mentions hijackers used knives and box cutters. Ted Olson tells wife of other hijackings.

09:25 am – FAA orders grounding of all commercial air traffic.

09:27 am – Chaney and Rice, in WH bunker, are told that an airplane is 50 miles out, bearing in.

09:27 am – UA93 passenger Tom Burnett calls wife, “They already knifed a guy. There’s a bomb on board. Call the FBI.”

09:28 am – UA93 at 35,000 feet, drops 700 feet. “Mayday” broadcast amid sounds of physical struggle in the cockpit. “Hey get out of here – get out of here – get out of here.”

09:29 am – UA93 acknowledges ATC radio transmission. Last pilot contact.

09:29 am – AA77 auto-pilot disengaged at 7,000 feet, 38 miles west of Pentagon.

09:30 am – Radio transmission “Get out of here, get out of here!” Transponder from Flight 93 goes off.

09:30 am – Hijackers of Flight 77 tell the passengers to phone home because “they are all going to die,” by hitting the White House. Barbara Olson calls husband Ted a second time, five minutes after first call.

09:30 am – No radio response from UA93.

09:30 am – Radar tracks Flight 77 30 miles from DC.

09:30 am – FAA’s Emergency Operations Center is up and running.

09:30 am – Secret Service call Chris Stephenson, flight controller at Washington airport tower, re: unidentified plane heading for DC, and he makes visual contact as it flies by Crystal City, Virginia, 30 out of DC.

09:30 am – Three F-16s from the North Dakota ANG 119th fighter wing, stationed at Langley are airborne over the Atlantic Ocean – Maj. Brad Derrig, Capt. Craig Borgstrom and Maj. Dean Eckmann.

09:31 am – Flight 93 cockpit transmission of flight attendent “Don’t, Don’t Please, I don’t want to die,” shortly before she is stabbed.

09:32 am – UA93 radio transmission: (probably Jarrah) “Ladies and gentlemen: Here the captain, please sit down and keep remaining seating. We have a bomb on board. So sit.” UA93’s flight data recorder that was recovered indicates the autopilot was instructed to turn the flight around and head east. Voice data recorder indicates a struggling female flight steward was killed in the cockpit at this time.

09:32 am – New York Stock Exchange closes.

09:32 am – FAA Dulles DC ATC observes target (later determined to be AA77) tracking eastbound at high rate of speed, notify Reagan airport and Secret Service.

09:33 am – C-130H military cargo plane, taking off from Reagan DC to Minnesota, identifies incoming unknown target as an American Airlines Boeing 757.

09:34 am – Tom Burnett calls wife a second time, “They’re in the cockpit,” he said, as he checked the pulse of the knifed, dead man in seat 5B (Mark Rothenberg). She tells him about the WTC. “Oh my God, it’s a suicide mission.”

09:34 – FAA Command Center tells FAA HQ that UA175 may have bomb on board.

09:34 am – NEADS contacts FAA CC DC re: AA11, and FAA reports AA77 missing.

09:34 am – Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport advises Secret Service of unknown aircraft heading in the direction of the White House; AA77 5 miles west-south-west of the Pentagon.

09:35 am – AA77 flys across Captitol Parkway at 400 + mph, crosses the Pentagon at 7,000 feet, makes a high speed descending turn, spirals in almost a complete circle and drops the final 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes.

09:36 am – FAA Boston calls NEADS “Latest report. Aircraft…six miles southeast of White House, deviating away.” NEADS: “Okay, we’re going to turn it, crank it up, run them to the White House.” When NEADS discovers that Langley F-16s staged over the ocean instead of heading north as expected, he ordered them to DC, “I don’t care how many windows you break, Damn it, Okay. Push them back.”

09:36 am – FAA Cleveland Center asks FAA Command Center whether someone had requested military to launch fighters to intercept UA93. Cleveland Center offers to contact nearby military base. “Command Center replies that FAA personnel well above them in the chain of command had to make that decision and were working on the issue.”

09:37 am – Flight 93 passenger Jeremy Glick calls wife, describes hijackers as Middle Eastern, Iranian looking, who put on read headbands and ran into the cockpit. She tells him about the WTC.

09:37 am – Radar image of AA77 disappears from screen, four minutes from White House, six miles from Pentagon.

09:37 am – Defense Secretary Rumsfield is in the Pentagon meeting with Rep. Cox, watching TV, and says, “Believe me, this isn’t over yet. There’s going to be another attack and it could be us.”

09:37:46 am – AA77 impacts Pentagon. (Langley fighters 150 miles away).

09:38:30 am – C-130H pilot : “Looks like that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon, sir.”

09:38 am – Secret Service calls Andrews, “Get in the air now!”

09:39 am – Rumsfield went downstairs, outside and sees a young women sitting on the ground, bleeding who says to him “she could see people holding, drips going into people, IV of some kind, and she said, something to the effect, if people would, if someone could bring that person over, I could hold it.” (huh?). (He helps people into ambulances until 10:30).

09:39 am – FAA’s Cleveland Air Route Traffic Control Center overhears second announcement about bomb on board and plane.

09:40 ? – F-16s from 177th NJANG are armed and scrambled, ordered vector West, towards Pennsylvania, then north to New York City. Others from the 177th are scrambled and sent to DC, the first non-alert air wing to arrive at both cities.

09:41am – UA93 transponder turned off. Lost on radar. Passengers and flight crew from UA93 make GET airphone and cellular phone calls to

09:41 am – Passenger on Flight 93 Marion Birtton calls a friend and reports that two people have been killed and the plane turned around.

09:42 am – Passenger Mark Bingham calls home.

09:42 am - FAA Command Center learns of Pentagon plane crash, FAA’s National Operations Manager Ben Sliney, orders nationwide shutdown of all commercial air traffic

09:43 am – Bush’s motorcade arrives at Sarasota airport AF1. He learns plane has hit Pentagon.

09:44 am - Three F-16s from Langley are five minutes out from DC, flying at 650 (top speed: 1500 mph), armed with Sidewinder heat seeking missles. The pilot “Honey” hears a garbled message about Flight 93, and “White House and important asset to protect.” Neither Honey nor another pilot, Lew, are never given shoot down orders.

09:45 am - Tom Burnett calls his wife a third time, she tells him about Pentagon. He doubts hijackers really have bomb, and “a group of us are making a plan.”

09:45 am - Passenger Tod Beamer speaks with phone operator Lisa Jefferson from the back of the plane and talks for about 15 minutes, with FBI listening in.

09:45 am – FAA National Operations Mgr. Ben Sliney orders nationwide commercial air traffic shutdown.

09:45 am – White House evacuated.

09:46 am –FAA Command Center updates FAA HQ that UA93 was “twenty-nine minutes out of Washington D.C.”

09:47 am – Flight 93 passenger Jeremy Glick is still on the phone with wife, and says that the passengers are taking a vote on whether to try to take back the plane, and all the men say yea.

09:48 am – Capitol building begins evacuation. House Speaker, third in line after Chaney, is still there.

09:49 am – Three F-16s from Langley arrive in DC airspace and set up a Combat Air Patrol (CAP) over the Capitol.

09:49 am – FAA Command Center suggests that someone at HQ should decide whether to request military assistance. FAA HQ : “…scrambling aircraft?…FAA CC: “Uh, God. I don’t know…Uh, that’s a decision somebody’s gonna have to make probably in the next ten minutes.” FAA HQ: “Uh, ya know, everybody just left the room.”

09:50 am – Three F-16s from Andrews (Maj. Billy Hutchison, Lt. Col. Marc H. “Sass” Sasseville, aka “Lucky” arrive to support CAP, but only one is armed.

09:50 am – Flight 93 passenger Sandra Bradshaw calls her husband. They are filling pitchers with hot water to use against the hijackers.

09:53 am – FAA HQ informs FAA CC that DD for ATS was talking to Dept. Adm. Monte Belger about scrambling aircraft. UA93 lost over Pittsburgh.

09:53 am – The National Security Agency (NSA) intercepts a phone call from a bin Laden operative in Afghanistan to the Republic of Georgia “heard good news,” and another target is to come.

09:54 am – FAA HQ informed that visual sighting of UA93 placed it 20 miles NW of Johnstown.

09:54 am – Tom Burnett calls wife fourth time. “I know we’re all going to die. There’s three of us who are going to do something about it. It’s up to us. I think we can do it. Don’t worry, we’re going to do something.” They were waiting until they were over a rural area.

09:56 am – Air Force One airborne – AF Col. Mark Tillman pilot. Bush talks to VP Cheney by phone. Cheney recommends that Bush authorize the military to shoot down any planes under the control of hijackers. “You bet.”

09:56 am – F-16 pilots are told over the radio by Secret Service “I want you to protect the White House at all costs.”

09:57 am - ? A military aid to VP Cheney asks, “There is a plane 80 miles out. There is a fighter in the area. Should we engage? Cheney, “Yes.”

09:57 am – Todd Beamer ends his phone conversation “You ready? Okay, Let’s roll.”

09:57 am – Passenger assault begins. Fighting reported outside the cockpit of Flight 93.

09:58 am – CeeCee Lyles on phone to husband tells him they are forcing their way into the cockpit. Sandy Bradshaw tells her husband, “Everyone’s running to first class, I’ve got to go, Bye.” Male passenger calls 911 from bathroom on the plane.

09:58 am – Two jet fighters from Selfridge Michigan ANG ordered after Flight 93, without any weapons.

09:59 am – The South Tower of the WTC collapses.

10:01 am – Visual contact with UA93 seen “waving wings,” radical gyrations.

10:01 am – FAA requests F-16s from Toledo, Ohio scrambled, though off alert.

10:02 am – Hijacker says “Pull it down! Pull it down!…Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.”

10:03:11 am – UF93 impacts the ground in Western Pennsylvania.

10:04 am – C-130H that witnessed Pentagon crash, reports black smoke from UA93 crash site.

10:05 am – Flight 93 begins breaking up before crashing.

10:06 am – NORAD diverts an unarmed Michigan ANG fighter to Pennsylvania.

10:07 am – Military liaison to FAA Cleveland Center notifies NEADS UA93 hijacked, unaware it had crashed.

10:08 am – Bush informed of crash of Flight 93. “Did we shoot it down or did it crash?”

10:08 am – White House surrounded by armed guards.

10:10 am – All military forces ordered to Defcon Three – Delta (highest alert in 30 years)

10:15 am – FAA Command Center advises FAA HQ that UA93 crashed.

10:16 am – Toledo fighters take off – 16 minutes after being called.

12:16 pm – Benjamin Sliney (FAA) announces that the air is clear of all commercial air traffic, and no additional hijacked planes aloft.

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[Dawn Meredith]

[quote name='Ashton Gray' date='Jul 30 2006, 07:31 PM' post='70792']

I know of a number of JFK Assassination Chronologies/Timelines -

Things happen at specific points in time. There are relationships between events that often remain completely occluded and invisible until the correct sequences of events and their time relationships are identified.

Ashton Gray

And in the case of the many LHOs, multiple sightings occur on the same date: 9/25/63 LHO, in Mexico city while also in New Orleans, while also in Dallas at home of Syliva Odio ("Leon Oswald"). I've heard of bylocation, but TRIlocation? This guy (s) gets around.

So a precise timeline for LHO will be replete with multiple "LHOs". I will post a timeline that hopefully others will add to.

Dawn

[Christopher Hall]

Paul Thompson's comprehensive 911 Timeline:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/main/t...ecomplete1.html

Imagine a similar JFK Assassination Timeline.

Michael, I met Paul in DC and his testimony before Cynthia McKinney's Congressional Briefing last July was important. His Timeline book is also necessary to understand the events of 911.

His Timeline is so detailed however and covers so many years and so much ground, it can do the opposite of what a Timeline is suppose to do, and make things that happen over time more clear.

Here's my timeline on 911 which I did myself from the times mentioned and published in the 911 Commission Final Report.

I will also post it over on the 911 Thread.

A JFK Assassination Timeline is a necessity and a combined timeline would really be handy.

BK

NORAD – FAA Timeline – per 911 Commission Final Report

06:00 am – Mohamed Atta and Abdul Aziz al Omari board flight from Portland, Maine to Boston’s Logan International Airport.

06:45 am – Atta and Omari arrive in Boston.

06:45-07:40 – Atta (Business class 8D) and Omari (8G), w/ Satam al Suqami (10B), Wail al Shehri (1st class 2A) and Waleed al Shehri (1st class 2B), check in and board American Airline Flight 11 (AA11), Boston-LA, scheduled to deparat 7:45 am. At another terminal Shehhi (2B), Fayez Banihammad (2A), Mohamd al Shehri (6C), Ahmed al Ghamdi (9D) and Hamza al Ghamdi (9C) check in for United Airlines Flight 175, Boston-LA, set for 08:00 am departure.

06:52 am – Atta takes a 3 minute call from Marwan al Shehhi at another terminal at Logan.

07:15 am – Khalid al Mihdhar (12B) and Majed Moqed (12A) check in at the American Airlines ticket counter at Washington Dulles Airport for Flight 77 (AA77), DC-LA, followed shortly thereafter by Hani Hanjour (1st C 1B) and brothers Nawaf al Hazmi (5E) and Salem al Hazmi (5E).

07:35 am – Hani Hanjour places two carry on bags on the x-ray belt in the Main Terminal’s west checkpoint, followed by Nawaf and Salem al Hazmi to AA77.

07:58 am – UA175 departs gate at Logan Boston-LA; Captain Victor Saracini; First Officer Michael Horrocks, seven flight attendants, fifty-six passengers.

07:59 am – American Airlines Flight 11 (AA11) takes off - Boston – LA. Captain John Ogonowski; First Officer Thomas McGuinness; 9 flight attendants, full capacity 81 passengers.

08:01 am – United Airlines 93 (UA93) leaves gate at Newark- San Fran. 41 min. delay and doesn’t take off until 08:42, unaware of other hijacking.

08:10 am – AA77 scheduled to depart DC Dulles for LA. Captain Charles F. Burlingame pilot; David Charlebois First Officer; four flight attendants, fifty-eight passengers.

08:13 am – AA11 acknowledges instruction f/ FAA Boston Center (in New Hampshire)

08:13:30 am – AA11 hijacked. Pilot John Ogonowski activates talk-back button, enabling Boston controllers to hear cockpit conversations.

08:14 am – United Airlines 175 UA175 takes off for Logan Boston-LA.

08:14 am – Hijacking of AA11 begins, cruising altitude 29,000 feet. Daniel Lewin, seated behind Atta and Omari, is stabbed by hijacker, most likely Satam al Suqami, seated directly behind Lewin, an Israeli military officer.

08:15 am – AA11 fails to acknowledge FAA Boston Center

O8:19 am – Flight attendant Betty Ong calls [Vanessa Minter] the AA Southeastern Reservations Office in Cary, N.C., via ATT airphone to report an emergency aboard the flight: “The cockpit is not answering, somebody’s stabbed in business class, I think there’s Mace – that we can’t breath – I don’t know, I think we’re getting hijacked.” Also two flight attendants stabbed.

08:20 am – AA11 turns of IFF (identify friend or foe) beacon signal.

08:20 am – AA77 takes off from Dulles IA DC – LA.

08:21 am – Boston air traffic controller reports to supervisor that something is seriously wrong. Follow SOP for “no radio” contact. AA11 off radar.

08:21 am – Vanessa Minter at AA North Carolina relays info to Craig Marquis, manager of AA ops center, Fort Worth, Texas. FBI logs onto call and tapes it. AA11 Flight attendant Amy Sweeney calls AA ground manager Michael Woodward, who takes notes.

“Listen and listen to me very carefully. I’m on Flight 11. The airplane has been hijacked.” Gives seat numbers to four of five hijackers of Middle East descent and reports that two flight attendants have been stabbed and a passenger’s throat slashed. Woodward quickly identifies all four including Mohamed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari.

08:23 am – AA dispatcher unsuccessfully tires to contact AA11.

08:24:38 am – AA11 transmits “We have some planes. Just stay quiet, and you’ll be okay. We are returning to the airport” Then after a pause, “….Nobody move. Everything will be okay. If you try to make any moves, you’ll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet.”

08:24:40 am – FAA Boston Center Air Traffic Control (BCATC) notifies superior that AA11 hijacked. Manager of BCATC orders the tape of transmission “pulled” to determine if the transmission said “Planes” – as in plural.

08:25 am - Amy Sweeney calls American Flight Services Office in Boston and reports someone aboard flight is hurt, but is cut off.

08:25 am – FAA BCATC, per protocol, begins notifying chain of command that AA11 hijacked.

08:26 am – Ong reports that the plane was “flying erratically.”

08:27 am – AA supervisor Nydia Gonzales begins to listen in to Ong-Minter call.

08:28 am – FAA Boston Center ATC notifies New York Center ATC that hijacked AA11 is entering it’s airspace, heading south.

08:29 am – AA11 fails to acknowledge AA Boston; AA dispatcher notifies FAA Boston Air Traffic Control Center, already aware of the problem, because of AA11 radio transmissions.

08:29 am – Amy Sweeney reconnected to the AA office and begins reports to manger Michael Woodward, including seat numbers of hijackers so he immediately obtains their names.

08:30 am – Brigadier Gen. Montague Winfield leaves the National Military Command Center (NMCC) – the War Room at the Pentagon, and is replaced by Navy Capt., per arrangement from the day before.

08:31 am – FAA Command Center tells FAA Operations Center at FAA HQ of possible hijackings.

08:31 am – FAA Boston Center notifies NORAD (Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins) of AA11 hijacking.

08:33 am – UA175 reaches cruising altitude of 31,000 feet. Flight attendants begin cabin service.

08:34 am – FAA Boston Center – Air traffic controller makes telephone calls outside of chain of command to Otis ANG and 177th NJANG in Atlantic City, requesting fighter interceptors, unaware that NJANG in Atlantic City had been taken off alert more than two years earlier.

8:34 am – Two F-16s from the 177th NJANG are reportedly in the air making making practice bombing runs over the New Jersey Pine Barrens, and two F-16s are on the tarmac ready to take off on a practice bombing mission in upstate New York. They are kept on the runway and eventually ordered not to take off and return to base. They arm with air-to-air missiles and prepare to go up once armed.

08:34 am – Third transmission from AA11 : “Nobody move please. We are going back to the airport. Don’t try to make any stupid moves.”

08:37 – FAA Boston Center communicates with UA175 about AA11 and UA175 reports of suspicious transmissions. Last contact with UA175.

08:37:52 – FAA Boston Center notifies NORAD NEADS (North East Air Defense Sector) in Rome, New York : “Hi. Boston Center TMU, we have a problem here. We have a hijacked aircraft headed towards New York, and we need you guys to, we need someone to scramble some F-16s or something up there, help us out.”

08:38 am – NEADS responds: “Is this real-world or exercise?”

FAA: “No, this is not an exercise, not a test.”

08:40 am – AA77 handed off routinely from DC to Indianapolis Center.

0840 am – NEADS senior tech. Jeremy Powell calls Otis ANG to upgrade their “readiness posture.” Maj. Daniel Nash (“Nasty”) and Lt. Col. Timothy Duffy (“Duff”) are notified “by colleague” about hijacking.

08:41 am – American Airline’s Operations Center declares AA11 a hijacking.

08:42 am – United 93 (UA93) takes off from Newark, N.J. to LA. Jason Dahl Captain; Leroy Homer First Officer; five flight attendants, thirty-seven passengers.

08:42 am – UA175 reports “suspicious transmissions” from another airliner were received while taking off at 08:14. Last communication with ground.

08:43 am – 08:46 – UA175 hijacked, stabbing both pilots, two passengers and a flight attendant.

08:44 am – Gonzalez loses phone contact with Ong. Sweeney reports to Woodward, “Something is wrong. We are in rapid descent…we are all over the place…We are flying low. We are flying very, very low. We are flying way too low…Oh my God we are way too low.”

08:44 am – Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld at the Pentagon says of terrorism, “Let me tell ya, I’ve been around the block a few times. There will be another event. There will be another event.”

08:46 am – (approx.) UA93 hijacked.

08:46 am – AA77 reaches cruising altitude of 35,000 feet.

08:46:40 am – AA11 impacts World Trade Center 1 (WTC1 North Tower)

08:46 am – CIA Director Tenent is told of the WTC “attack” over breakfast with former Sen. David Boren. Tenent : “You know, this has bin Laden’s fingerprints all over it.”

08:46 am – Two F-15s scrambled Otis ANG, Falmouth, Mass (Cape Cod) 153 miles out.

08:46 am – Two F-16s assigned to Andrews AFB, flying bombing practice mission over North Carolina, recalled to DC, 207 miles away.

08:46 am – FAA opens telephone line with Secret Service.

08:46 am – NORAD Command Capt. Micahel Jellinek reports telephone links established with the National Military Command Center (NMCC)- the war room at the Pentagon, Canada command, theater commanders and federal emergency-response agencies.

08:47 am – UA175 changes transponder codes, which went unnoticed for several minutes

08:48 am – First news reports that plane has hit the WTC1. Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, Vice Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, learns of WTC1 crash from TV report before entering a meeting with Sen. Max Cleland on Capitol Hill.

08:48 am – FAA New York Center reports to FAA HQ Command Center (Herndon, Va) that American Airlines (Dallas, Tx) reported in that one of their flight stewards was stabbed and hijackers in cockpit, unaware AA11 had crashed into WTC1.

08:50 am – FAA Indianapolis Center radios AA77. Acknowledged, last transmission.

08:51 am – FAA New York Center notices UA175 code changed. No radio response, and flight deviating from assigned altitude.

08:51 am – AA77 makes last routine transmission.

08:51:30 – 08:54 – AA77 hijacking takes place.

08:52 am – Fighters airborne from Otis, ordered to staging area south of Long Island, NY and into a holding pattern.

08:52 am – Lee Hanson, in Easton, Conn. Receives call form son Peter on UA175, “I think they’ve taken over the cockpit – An attendant has been stabbed, and someone else up front may have been killed. The plane is making strange moves. Call United Airlines – Tell them it’s Flight 175, Boston to LA.” Hanson then calls Easton PD. Flight attendant on UA175 calls United office in San Francisco and tells Marc Policastro the flight has been hijacked, both pilots killed and flight attendant stabbed, and hijackers flying the plane.

08:53 am – FAA NYC air traffic controller reports “we may have a hijack” re:US175.

08:54 am – FAA Indy notices AA77 deviates from flight plan.

08:54 am – Capt. Deborah Loewer, director of the White House Situation Room, traveling with Bush in Florida, receives message from WHSR about WTC1, and she informs Bush.

08:55 am – FAA NYC air traffic control (a women) notifies manager US175 probably hijacked, but FAA regional managers, discussing AA11, “refuse to be disturbed.”

08:56 am – AA77 transponder turned off, now off radar. No radio response.

08:58 am – UA175 turns around and heads for NYC.

08:59 am – UA175 passenger Brian David Sweeney calls wife and leaves message on her answering machine, calls mother, tells her plane hijacked.

09:00 am – Lee Hanson gets second call from son Peter on UA175. “It’s getting bad, Dad – A stewardess was stabbed – They seem to have knives and Mace – They said they have a bomb – It’s getting very bad on the plane – Passengers are throwing up and getting sick – The plane is making jerking movements – I don’t think the pilot is flying the plane – I think we are going down – I think they intend to go to Chicago or someplace and fly into a building – Don’t worry Dad – If it happens it’ll be very fast – My God, my God.” Hanson heard a women scream before the phone call was cut off.

09:00 am – AA Ex. VP Geral Arpey learns that communication lost with AA77, the second AA plane in trouble. He orders all AA planes on the ground in the Northeast to remain on ground.

09:00 am – FAA Indy notifies other agencies AA77 missing, believed crashed.

09:00 am – Pentagon moves its alert status up one notch to Alpha, United warns all aircraft of potential cockpit intrusion, Flight 93 acknowledges.

09:01 am – NYC calls FAA HQ Command Center (Herndon) “We have several situations going on here. It’s escalating big, big time. We need to get the military involved with us….we’re, we’re involved with something else, we have other aircraft that may have a similar situation going on here.”

09:02 am – NYC Center: “Alright, heads up man, it looks like another one coming in.”

09:03:02 am – US175 impacts WTC2 (South Tower)

09:03 am – Bush enters Florida school.

09:03 am – Gen. M. Winfield, (absent from his station at NMCC) later said, “When the second aircraft flew into the second tower, it was at that point we realized that the seemingly unrelated hijackings that the FAA was dealing with were in fact a part of a coordinated terrorist attack on the United States.”

09:03 am – Secret Service agents carry VP Cheney into basement to underground bunker; calls Andrews AFB and requests F-16s CAP, but Andrews off alert, not battle ready and must arm planes with air-to-air missiles.

09:03 am – Boston Center reports they deciphered the transmission, “I’m gonna reconfirm with, with downstairs, but the, as far as the tape…seemed to think the guy said that ‘we have planes.’ Now I don’t know if it was the accent, or if there’s more than one, but I’m gonna reconfirm that for you, and I’ll get back to you real qick, Okay?”

09:03 – NORAD receives calls from fighter units, “What can we do to help?” Marr replies, “I want it all. Get to the phones. Call every major National Guard unit in the land. Prepare to put jets in the air. The nation is under attack!”

09:04 am - Boston Center: “A second one just hit the trade center.” New England Region: “Okay, yea, we gotta get – we gotta alert the military real quick on this.”

09:05 am – FAA New York Center declares ATC Zero, no aircraft permitted to depart from, arrive at or travel through New York Center airspace until further notice.

09:05 am – Boston Center radios all aircraft of New York situation and to secure cockpits

09:05 am – AA77 reemerges on FAA Indy Center radar, east of last known position.

09:07 am – FAA Boston ATC requests FAA Herndon Command Center “get messages to airborne aircraft to increase security for the cockpit.” No evidence Herndon did this.

09:08 am – FAA Indy Center notifies Langley and W.V. State PD of possible crash.

09:08 am – NEADS learns of WTC2 impact and sends F-16s to Manhattan. “This is what I forsee that we probably need to do. We need to talk to FAA. WE need to tell em’ if this stuff is gonna keep on going, we need to take those fighters, put ‘em over Manhattan. That’s the best thing, that’s the best play right now. So coordinate with the FAA. Tell ‘em if there’s more out there, which we don’t know, let’s get ‘em over Manhattan. At least we got some kind of play.”

09:09 am – Langley F-16s placed at battle stations.

09:10 am – AA77 reenters DC airspace.

09:10 am – AA orders all planes on the ground nationwide grounded.

09:12 am – Passenger Renee May calls mother, tells her to alert AA of hijacking.

09:16 am – FAA informs NORAD Flight 93 hijacked.

09:16 am – Passenger Barbara Olson calls her husband Ted Olson, solicitor general of US, reporting the flight AA77 has been hijacked. Call cut off.

09:20 am – FAA Indy learns of other hijacked aircraft.

09:21 am – FAA reports to NEADS “I just heard a report that AA77 is still in the air, and it’s on its way toward – heading towards Washington.”

09:21 am – NY Port Authority closes all bridges and tunnels in NYC.

09:23 am – UA93 notified to beef up cockpit security.

09:24 am – FAA HQ CC Notifies NEADS of hijacking of AA77 – Dulles – LA

09:24 am – Three F-16s scrambled from Langley AFB, Hampton, Va. Fly east to staging area over the ocean.

09:25 am – Combat Air Patrol (CAP) established over Manhattan. Fuel now low, Langley planes considered as back-up.

09:25 am – Barbara Olson, passenger on Flight 77, calls husband, Theodore Olson at Justice Dept. again, mentions hijackers used knives and box cutters. Ted Olson tells wife of other hijackings.

09:25 am – FAA orders grounding of all commercial air traffic.

09:27 am – Chaney and Rice, in WH bunker, are told that an airplane is 50 miles out, bearing in.

09:27 am – UA93 passenger Tom Burnett calls wife, “They already knifed a guy. There’s a bomb on board. Call the FBI.”

09:28 am – UA93 at 35,000 feet, drops 700 feet. “Mayday” broadcast amid sounds of physical struggle in the cockpit. “Hey get out of here – get out of here – get out of here.”

09:29 am – UA93 acknowledges ATC radio transmission. Last pilot contact.

09:29 am – AA77 auto-pilot disengaged at 7,000 feet, 38 miles west of Pentagon.

09:30 am – Radio transmission “Get out of here, get out of here!” Transponder from Flight 93 goes off.

09:30 am – Hijackers of Flight 77 tell the passengers to phone home because “they are all going to die,” by hitting the White House. Barbara Olson calls husband Ted a second time, five minutes after first call.

09:30 am – No radio response from UA93.

09:30 am – Radar tracks Flight 77 30 miles from DC.

09:30 am – FAA’s Emergency Operations Center is up and running.

09:30 am – Secret Service call Chris Stephenson, flight controller at Washington airport tower, re: unidentified plane heading for DC, and he makes visual contact as it flies by Crystal City, Virginia, 30 out of DC.

09:30 am – Three F-16s from the North Dakota ANG 119th fighter wing, stationed at Langley are airborne over the Atlantic Ocean – Maj. Brad Derrig, Capt. Craig Borgstrom and Maj. Dean Eckmann.

09:31 am – Flight 93 cockpit transmission of flight attendent “Don’t, Don’t Please, I don’t want to die,” shortly before she is stabbed.

09:32 am – UA93 radio transmission: (probably Jarrah) “Ladies and gentlemen: Here the captain, please sit down and keep remaining seating. We have a bomb on board. So sit.” UA93’s flight data recorder that was recovered indicates the autopilot was instructed to turn the flight around and head east. Voice data recorder indicates a struggling female flight steward was killed in the cockpit at this time.

09:32 am – New York Stock Exchange closes.

09:32 am – FAA Dulles DC ATC observes target (later determined to be AA77) tracking eastbound at high rate of speed, notify Reagan airport and Secret Service.

09:33 am – C-130H military cargo plane, taking off from Reagan DC to Minnesota, identifies incoming unknown target as an American Airlines Boeing 757.

09:34 am – Tom Burnett calls wife a second time, “They’re in the cockpit,” he said, as he checked the pulse of the knifed, dead man in seat 5B (Mark Rothenberg). She tells him about the WTC. “Oh my God, it’s a suicide mission.”

09:34 – FAA Command Center tells FAA HQ that UA175 may have bomb on board.

09:34 am – NEADS contacts FAA CC DC re: AA11, and FAA reports AA77 missing.

09:34 am – Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport advises Secret Service of unknown aircraft heading in the direction of the White House; AA77 5 miles west-south-west of the Pentagon.

09:35 am – AA77 flys across Captitol Parkway at 400 + mph, crosses the Pentagon at 7,000 feet, makes a high speed descending turn, spirals in almost a complete circle and drops the final 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes.

09:36 am – FAA Boston calls NEADS “Latest report. Aircraft…six miles southeast of White House, deviating away.” NEADS: “Okay, we’re going to turn it, crank it up, run them to the White House.” When NEADS discovers that Langley F-16s staged over the ocean instead of heading north as expected, he ordered them to DC, “I don’t care how many windows you break, Damn it, Okay. Push them back.”

09:36 am – FAA Cleveland Center asks FAA Command Center whether someone had requested military to launch fighters to intercept UA93. Cleveland Center offers to contact nearby military base. “Command Center replies that FAA personnel well above them in the chain of command had to make that decision and were working on the issue.”

09:37 am – Flight 93 passenger Jeremy Glick calls wife, describes hijackers as Middle Eastern, Iranian looking, who put on read headbands and ran into the cockpit. She tells him about the WTC.

09:37 am – Radar image of AA77 disappears from screen, four minutes from White House, six miles from Pentagon.

09:37 am – Defense Secretary Rumsfield is in the Pentagon meeting with Rep. Cox, watching TV, and says, “Believe me, this isn’t over yet. There’s going to be another attack and it could be us.”

09:37:46 am – AA77 impacts Pentagon. (Langley fighters 150 miles away).

09:38:30 am – C-130H pilot : “Looks like that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon, sir.”

09:38 am – Secret Service calls Andrews, “Get in the air now!”

09:39 am – Rumsfield went downstairs, outside and sees a young women sitting on the ground, bleeding who says to him “she could see people holding, drips going into people, IV of some kind, and she said, something to the effect, if people would, if someone could bring that person over, I could hold it.” (huh?). (He helps people into ambulances until 10:30).

09:39 am – FAA’s Cleveland Air Route Traffic Control Center overhears second announcement about bomb on board and plane.

09:40 ? – F-16s from 177th NJANG are armed and scrambled, ordered vector West, towards Pennsylvania, then north to New York City. Others from the 177th are scrambled and sent to DC, the first non-alert air wing to arrive at both cities.

09:41am – UA93 transponder turned off. Lost on radar. Passengers and flight crew from UA93 make GET airphone and cellular phone calls to

09:41 am – Passenger on Flight 93 Marion Birtton calls a friend and reports that two people have been killed and the plane turned around.

09:42 am – Passenger Mark Bingham calls home.

09:42 am - FAA Command Center learns of Pentagon plane crash, FAA’s National Operations Manager Ben Sliney, orders nationwide shutdown of all commercial air traffic

09:43 am – Bush’s motorcade arrives at Sarasota airport AF1. He learns plane has hit Pentagon.

09:44 am - Three F-16s from Langley are five minutes out from DC, flying at 650 (top speed: 1500 mph), armed with Sidewinder heat seeking missles. The pilot “Honey” hears a garbled message about Flight 93, and “White House and important asset to protect.” Neither Honey nor another pilot, Lew, are never given shoot down orders.

09:45 am - Tom Burnett calls his wife a third time, she tells him about Pentagon. He doubts hijackers really have bomb, and “a group of us are making a plan.”

09:45 am - Passenger Tod Beamer speaks with phone operator Lisa Jefferson from the back of the plane and talks for about 15 minutes, with FBI listening in.

09:45 am – FAA National Operations Mgr. Ben Sliney orders nationwide commercial air traffic shutdown.

09:45 am – White House evacuated.

09:46 am –FAA Command Center updates FAA HQ that UA93 was “twenty-nine minutes out of Washington D.C.”

09:47 am – Flight 93 passenger Jeremy Glick is still on the phone with wife, and says that the passengers are taking a vote on whether to try to take back the plane, and all the men say yea.

09:48 am – Capitol building begins evacuation. House Speaker, third in line after Chaney, is still there.

09:49 am – Three F-16s from Langley arrive in DC airspace and set up a Combat Air Patrol (CAP) over the Capitol.

09:49 am – FAA Command Center suggests that someone at HQ should decide whether to request military assistance. FAA HQ : “…scrambling aircraft?…FAA CC: “Uh, God. I don’t know…Uh, that’s a decision somebody’s gonna have to make probably in the next ten minutes.” FAA HQ: “Uh, ya know, everybody just left the room.”

09:50 am – Three F-16s from Andrews (Maj. Billy Hutchison, Lt. Col. Marc H. “Sass” Sasseville, aka “Lucky” arrive to support CAP, but only one is armed.

09:50 am – Flight 93 passenger Sandra Bradshaw calls her husband. They are filling pitchers with hot water to use against the hijackers.

09:53 am – FAA HQ informs FAA CC that DD for ATS was talking to Dept. Adm. Monte Belger about scrambling aircraft. UA93 lost over Pittsburgh.

09:53 am – The National Security Agency (NSA) intercepts a phone call from a bin Laden operative in Afghanistan to the Republic of Georgia “heard good news,” and another target is to come.

09:54 am – FAA HQ informed that visual sighting of UA93 placed it 20 miles NW of Johnstown.

09:54 am – Tom Burnett calls wife fourth time. “I know we’re all going to die. There’s three of us who are going to do something about it. It’s up to us. I think we can do it. Don’t worry, we’re going to do something.” They were waiting until they were over a rural area.

09:56 am – Air Force One airborne – AF Col. Mark Tillman pilot. Bush talks to VP Cheney by phone. Cheney recommends that Bush authorize the military to shoot down any planes under the control of hijackers. “You bet.”

09:56 am – F-16 pilots are told over the radio by Secret Service “I want you to protect the White House at all costs.”

09:57 am - ? A military aid to VP Cheney asks, “There is a plane 80 miles out. There is a fighter in the area. Should we engage? Cheney, “Yes.”

09:57 am – Todd Beamer ends his phone conversation “You ready? Okay, Let’s roll.”

09:57 am – Passenger assault begins. Fighting reported outside the cockpit of Flight 93.

09:58 am – CeeCee Lyles on phone to husband tells him they are forcing their way into the cockpit. Sandy Bradshaw tells her husband, “Everyone’s running to first class, I’ve got to go, Bye.” Male passenger calls 911 from bathroom on the plane.

09:58 am – Two jet fighters from Selfridge Michigan ANG ordered after Flight 93, without any weapons.

09:59 am – The South Tower of the WTC collapses.

10:01 am – Visual contact with UA93 seen “waving wings,” radical gyrations.

10:01 am – FAA requests F-16s from Toledo, Ohio scrambled, though off alert.

10:02 am – Hijacker says “Pull it down! Pull it down!…Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.”

10:03:11 am – UF93 impacts the ground in Western Pennsylvania.

10:04 am – C-130H that witnessed Pentagon crash, reports black smoke from UA93 crash site.

10:05 am – Flight 93 begins breaking up before crashing.

10:06 am – NORAD diverts an unarmed Michigan ANG fighter to Pennsylvania.

10:07 am – Military liaison to FAA Cleveland Center notifies NEADS UA93 hijacked, unaware it had crashed.

10:08 am – Bush informed of crash of Flight 93. “Did we shoot it down or did it crash?”

10:08 am – White House surrounded by armed guards.

10:10 am – All military forces ordered to Defcon Three – Delta (highest alert in 30 years)

10:15 am – FAA Command Center advises FAA HQ that UA93 crashed.

10:16 am – Toledo fighters take off – 16 minutes after being called.

12:16 pm – Benjamin Sliney (FAA) announces that the air is clear of all commercial air traffic, and no additional hijacked planes aloft.

xxxxyyyyzzzz

Thanks for the great 9-11 timeline.

I plan to refer to it as I read Paul Thompson's chronology of events this evening.

[William Kelly]

Before rushing off to put up the photo and film evidence, which already appears to be pretty much on line now anyway, what about the combined Timelines?

I think it is imperative that the Timelines that exist should be compiled together in one computer program.

I downloaed the Timeline software suggested, but now it says it can't open it without proper files.

In any case, I think the timelines are important and a project should be undertaken by interested and computer savy enough parties to combine them and make them available to everyone.

BK

[Ashton Gray]

Bill, I'm assuming your message was directed to me. If not, disregard the following:

Before rushing off to put up the photo and film evidence, which already appears to be pretty much on line now anyway, what about the combined Timelines?

A. I'm not "rushing off to put up the photo and film evidence." I've suggested that it's something that would be valuable, but stated in my first message in that thread that I don't have the means (and that includes the web know-how) to do it myself.

B. As far as it being "pretty much on line now anyway," I respectfully disagree, or I wouldn't have raised the issue, and it absolutely does not exist in the forms I specified in that thread anywhere on the internet. That is inarguable. I think it should, and will contribute to that effort in any way I can, and that has included making inquiries where I thought it might do some good. This is a far cry from "rushing off to put up the photos and film evidence."

I think it is imperative that the Timelines that exist should be compiled together in one computer program.

I couldn't agree more. That's why I started this topic and uploaded a FileMaker Pro file that I hoped would help facilitate just such an effort. As I also said in the introductory message in this thread, I cannot do it myself. I am SLAMMED with committments I have to meet, and have very limited time to devote to any of this, and already spend more time than I can justify on it.

I downloaed the Timeline software suggested, but now it says it can't open it without proper files.

This is a yes or no question, and please respond to it: Do you have FileMaker Pro or not?

If your answer is "no," you never will open the FileMaker Pro database file I uploaded.

If your answer is "yes," please tell me what version you have. If it isn't the latest version, that may well be the problem. If you do have the latest version, then I will see what I can do to debug this, but if it's simply a case that you don't have the necessary program and version, I'm not going off to fix that which ain't broken. I simply don't have time, and I also may need to get some technical help on it. So please give me the information asked for.

In any case, I think the timelines are important and a project should be undertaken by interested and computer savy enough parties to combine them and make them available to everyone.

I totally agree. 100%. I've tried to help make that possible. There are people posting here who very obviously have more discretionary time than I have. I had hoped there might be some active interest.

I do have a few friends and acquaintances who have started using the FileMaker Pro file to timeline the JFK assassination, and they've sent me some excerpts of their efforts, some of which I've posted. I hope to be posting more soon.

But they send me what they feel like sending me, and I have no sway or say over how much they get done or when except by polite request. I'm going to try to get their efforts coordinated and combined and at some point see if they will allow me to upload what they've done.

I vow that when and if I have something of note, I will find or make the time to get it uploaded here as soon as I reasonably can. I have no reason at all to do otherwise.

I don't mean to be in any way abrasive on this, but I can't seem to get across the fact that I simply do not have the time to invest in it. I'm already over two weeks behind my own self-imposed deadlines on getting a series I started in the Watergate forum finished because of demands on my existence. I try to get by this forum when I can, but only then get to a handful of threads that are of interest to me.

If there's anything I actually can do to be of help, I am happy to within the constraints that I absolutely must deal with.

Ashton

Edited August 6, 2006 by Ashton Gray