Bernice Moore Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 (edited) Pat Speer' wrote: A couple of corrections to Bernice's list... Ford was a congressman in 1963. He never was a Senator. B: Correction, Pat, he was a Congressman... ************************** Pat: He changed the back wound from "back" to "back of the neck" and the report ended up saying "base of the back of the neck." This was probably an innocent mistake in that Ford was not the sharpest tack in the box and was almost undoubtedly basing his impression of the wound on the Rydberg drawings, which depicted the wound at the base of the neck. Bernice : Not innocent IMO....."In editing the initial draft of the Warren Report , Ford moved the the wound In Kennedy's back from a "point slightly below the shoulder to the right of the spine " to " the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine" . Ford's revision brought the posterior wound in line wiht the Commission's no-conspiracy conclusion, repositioning it to make it consistant with what came to be called " the single bullet theory"..Ford's editing of the Warren Com Report draft dated 6/26/64 ,can be found in the Rankin Papers ,box 26, folder 385 ,NARA. Pat: The real question is why Arlen Specter, who'd seen the back wound on an autopsy photo and knew the Rydberg drawings were incorrect, never tried to have the drawings corrected and said nothing to the commission. And I have an answer to that question: he was an ambitious spineless coward. The head wound wasn't moved till 1968. Bernice : "During Specter's and the commission's "March 16th questioning , Humes repeatedly referred to these drawings ( Ryberg's because they were denied access to the autopsy pictures and X-rays .According to Hume's testimony , the drawings depicted the trajectory of the nonfatal bullet ( CE 399) entering Kennedy's lower neck at a downward angle and exiting his throat in the region of the Adam's Apple.) when describing JFK's neck wounds . When McCloy asked the navy Doctor if the bullet trajectory took " roughly the line which is shown on your Exhibit 385", Hume's succinct response was "Yes, Sir". Even to the medically or forensically untrained eye it is patently obvious that the depciations of JFK's nonfatal wounds presumably produced by bullet CE 399 in photograph Number 12 and CE 385 and CE 386 are hopelessly irreconcilable .There is no way that these separate representations can coexist in the Commission's own permanent record without inviting skepticism of the deepest die. Commissioner Gerald Ford spotted this "eccentricity" in the report's third draft where it asserted , "A bullet entered his back at a point slightly above the shoulder to the right of the spine."..Ford edited the sentence to read, " A bullet entered the back of his neck slightly to the right pf the spine." With just a few facile changes, Ford and the Reediting Committee were satisfied that photograph Number 12, based on Specter's prized autopsy picture ,and Hume's much-exploited drawing's ...stand ins for the best evidence ....were now compatible ans would travel well together. Ford's editing of the Warren Com Report draft dated 6/26/64 ,can be found in the Rankin Papers ,box 26, folder 385 ,NARA ************************************ Pat:The NPIC study was done for the Secret Service. dgh: Pat, do you have a cite re: the NPIC study was done for the Secret Service, [specifically? Or, are you assuming that conclusion from Doug Hornes interview with NPIC employees[/b]. Thanks -- David Healy .. Bernice : "Zapruder Film re NPIC ...also the following from "Breach of Trust.".for information.. "Several days after the assassination the CIA received, from the Secret Service a copy of the Zapruder film. In return for a copy of the film the SS received an analysis of the film from the agency's National Photographic Intelligence Center (NPIC) in Washington. It had the reputation as being the finest photo-interpretation center in the world. The center's interpretation had come to the conclusions, that (1) the first shot had not come from the TSBD.."Sniper’s nest "..And (2) that there had been at LEAST two gunmen in Dealey Plaza shooting at the limo...But the results were supressed..page 6.. The three cartridges found in the TSBD on the 6th floor, corresponded with the time frame dictated within the Zapruder Film...which allows for only three shots from the MC rifle..It took at best a little more than two seconds just to cycle the rifle ,with no leeway factored in for the shooter to keep the scope fixed on the moving target. The manual that accompanied the model determined that all the shooting had occurred within a span of 6.4 to 8.0 seconds. But seeing and having to acknowledge the shot that had hit the curb on the South side of Main St. and wounding, on the cheek, bystander JamesT.Tague..a fourth shot could only be explained by a second gunman, but this was politically unacceptable... ( FBI Manual, Rankin Papers, " Investigation and Evidence"..RG 12, box 8, folder 7.Nara, 14-15.) The FBI chose to ignore the Tague shot, and the wound in the front of JFK's throat...page 99-100 The CIA uncovered critical evidence in the assassination before the government's official version was agreed upon..and before President Johnson appointed the WC..after the SS turned over a copy of the Zapruder film to the CIA, and the NPIC had completed it's analysis ,it had been discovered that the first shot, according to the film, had come Before Zapruder frame 210.....and a second shot at frame # 242, just 1.6 seconds after the first shot. All the WC experts agreed that even the most experienced and skilled gunman would require at least 2.4 seconds..the 1.6 second shot interlude meant there had to be more than one shooter.. Page: 151. (.McKnight’s telephone interview , May 2,2003...with Dino A.Brugioni, the center’s chief analysis who was in charged of the NPICs interpretation of the Zapruder film..( Conclusion that follows are McKnights..not attributed to Brugioni, "When Brugioni turned over to McCone, or Helms the four-photo briefing boards with accompanying memoranda or explanations interpreting the calculations in the document, he had no knowledge of the "Official Truth"..of JFK's assassination that had been decided upon over the weekend..( notes page 406) See also..Philip Melanson, "Hidden Exposure: Cover Up & Intrigue in the CIA's Secret Possession of the Zapruder Film"..The The Third Decade no.1 ( November 84).9. Melanson makes a strong circumstantial case the NPIC received a copy of the Zapruder Film the day after the assassination"... Also see CIA document 1641-450 for NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film..of JFK's assassination These results were pried loose from the CIA by a FOIA request in 82 by Harold Weisberg ..or see Wiesberg's "Photographic Whitewash --Suppressed Kennedy Assassination Pictures"..1967..available at Hood College..pages: 302-303.) The Warren Report held that the first shot could not have been fired before Z..210..Therefore the analysis and results of the FBI and CIA, of the Zapruder film were ignored.... The FBI and Rankin and staff suppressed the findings of the Bureau's photo interpretation of Zapruder's film. It is not certain whether McCone or Helms ever shared with the Commission the NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film. What the record does show is that the FBI and CIA colluded in the fabrication of a story that the CIA never received a copy of the Zapruder film..until Dec.1964..after the Commission disbanded Hoover told Rankin that in Dec. 64 the CIA requested a copy of the film for training purposes"..pages 151-152.. ( Hoover to Rankin Dec4/64..Copy of letter appears in Wiesberg's , "Photographic Whitewash." page 143..) The three cartridges found in the TSBD on the 6th floor, corresponded with the time frame dictated within the Zapruder Film...which allows for only three shots from the MC rifle..It took at best a little more than two seconds just to cycle the rifle ,with no leeway factored in for the shooter to keep the scope fixed on the moving target. The manual that accompanied the model determined that all the shooting had occurred within a span of 6.4 to 8.0 seconds. But seeing and having to acknowledge the shot that had hit the curb on the South side of Main St. and wounding, on the cheek, bystander JamesT.Tague..a fourth shot could only be explained by a second gunman, but this was politically unacceptable... ( FBI Manual, Rankin Papers, " Investigation and Evidence"..RG 12, box 8, folder 7.Nara, 14-15.) The FBI chose to ignore the Tague shot, and the wound in the front of JFK's throat...page 99-100 The CIA uncovered critical evidence in the assassination before the government's official version was agreed upon..and before President Johnson appointed the WC..after the SS turned over a copy of the Zapruder film to the CIA, and the NPIC had completed it's analysis ,it had been discovered that the first shot, according to the film, had come Before Zapruder frame 210.....and a second shot at frame # 242, just 1.6 seconds after the first shot. All the WC experts agreed that even the most experienced and skilled gunman would require at least 2.4 seconds..the 1.6 second shot interlude meant there had to be more than one shooter.. Page: 151. (.McKnight’s telephone interview , May 2,2003...with Dino A.Brugioni, the center’s chief analysis who was in charged of the NPICs interpretation of the Zapruder film..( Conclusion that follows are McKnights..not attributed to Brugioni, "When Brugioni turned over to McCone, or Helms the four-photo briefing boards with accompanying memoranda or explanations interpreting the calculations in the document, he had no knowledge of the "Official Truth"..of JFK's assassination that had been decided upon over the weekend..( notes page 406) See also..Philip Melanson, "Hidden Exposure: Cover Up & Intrigue in the CIA's Secret Possession of the Zapruder Film"..The The Third Decade no.1 ( November 84).9. Melanson makes a strong circumstantial case the NPIC received a copy of the Zapruder Film the day after the assassination"... Also see CIA document 1641-450 for NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film..of JFK's assassination These results were pried loose from the CIA by a FOIA request in 82 by Harold Weisberg ..or see Wiesberg's "Photographic Whitewash --Suppressed Kennedy Assassination Pictures"..1967..available at Hood College..pages: 302-303.) The Warren Report held that the first shot could not have been fired before Z..210..Therefore the analysis and results of the FBI and CIA, of the Zapruder film were ignored.... The FBI and Rankin and staff suppressed the findings of the Bureau's photo interpretation of Zapruder's film. It is not certain whether McCone or Helms ever shared with the Commission the NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film. What the record does show is that the FBI and CIA colluded in the fabrication of a story that the CIA never received a copy of the Zapruder film..until Dec.1964..after the Commission disbanded Hoover told Rankin that in Dec. 64 the CIA requested a copy of the film for training purposes..pages 151-152.. ( Hoover to Rankin Dec4/64..Copy of letter appears in Wiesberg's , "Photographic Whitewash." page 143..) *****"" In my ( McKnight’s) conversation with Brugioni , he was absolutely clear that it was over the week-end following the assassination that McCone requested that NPIC submit the Zapruder film to analysis. Brugioni still recalls his shock when he witnessed the Fatal Shot That took off the right side of the President’s Head”. (Notes: page 407) The work of compiling the medical evidence record of the President's autopsy did not require neither the co-operation of the FBI nor the CIA....so in this area of the investigation the Commissions efforts were not impeded nor distorted..by any investigative dishonesties and or cover-ups perpetrated upon such by the agencies..The WC condoned the sanctioned perjury ,connived, at the destruction of the best evidence ,boycotted key witnesses ,and deliberately and knowingly suppressed materials, medical records and legal documents. The massive corruption of the autopsy records was undertaken with one purpose : To ensure that the Medical evidence in the President's assassination was consistent with the Official Government's version of a Lone Assassin.. "The Overwhelming weight of the evidence supports the view that President Kennedy's official autopsy report was Deliberately Falsified to suppress the fact that he was a victim of a conspiracy." "It is a joyless irony that the autopsy of Kennedy's alleged assassin Lee Harvey Oswald ,performed by the Dallas County medical examiner ,Dr..Rose ,was worthy of a President. By comparison. President Kennedy received an autopsy unworthy of even the most unfortunate and unlamented derelict.." page: 153...(For critics and information of the President's autopsy see..... Henry Hurt aptly described JFK's autopsy as "the autopsy of the century" .See Hurt " Reasonable Doubt "..Sylvia Meagher ,"Accessories After The Fact." ..reprint 1992.. David Lifton " Best Evidence" 1981..Harold Weisberg " Post Mortum"..1975..Weisberg's powerful work still remains the most forcefully argued critique of the official autopsy..The official defenders of the President's autopsy whom usually argue that whereas the autopsy had starling deficiencies, it still arrived at the correct and valid conclusions ..such as Gerald Posner.."Case Closed"..1993..David Wobbling "November 22,1963:You are the Jury." 1973..David Belin’s, Wobbling "Final Disclosure"..1988..Denis L.Breo."JFK's Death"..parts 1-3..Journal of the American Medical Association 267 ,no.20 & 268.no.13...and John K. Latimer "Kennedy and Lincoln..Medical and Ballistics Comparisons of Their Assassinations..1980..notes p:407.. "Anticipating the FBI ,the CIA's NPIC ran it's own analysis of the Zaprduer film over the week-end following the assassinations. Like their FBI counterparts , the NPIC interpreteurs established that the first shot came before Oswald could have a clear view of the presidential limo and that there were at least two shooters". p.355 and chapter 6.. "Breach of Trust" ************************ Pat: Burkley's placement of the back wound at the third thoracic level was not confirmed by the Parkland witnesses, as none of the Parkland witnesses, save a nurse many years later, made any statements indicating they even knew of this wound's existence. While Burkley may have simply said third thoracic based upon his own observation, the possibility he saw the face sheet at the autopsy, which places the wound in that area, seems m ore likely. As Burkley spent most of his time with the family, it seems likely he only took a passing glance at Kennedy, and deferred to the face sheet. There is certainly no report of Burkley making a close inspection of the body. When you look at the face sheet it is clear the drawing is inaccurate in the shoulder area. A mark in line with the shoulder is way too far from the head, and a mark the correct distance from the head is way too far above the shoulder. On the night of the autopsy I believe Boswell placed the wound--which was around T-1 T-2, in line with the shoulder. Later, when it became a huge issue, he placed the wound in relation to the head, effecvtively moving the wound onto the neck. A wound at T-1, as acknowledged by the HSCA, is still too low to be in line with a trajectory from the sniper's nest to the throat. As a result I feel the T-3 T-1 dispute is a non-issue. What remains an issue is whether the doctors deliberately lied to Rydberg when he created his drawings depicting the back wound 2 inches higher than T-1. Bernice :Correction....*****It should read Rear Head Wound"****** will correct and add in Head".... B: "Why------was John F .Kennedy’s death certificate---signed by Dr. G. Burkley treated as such... The death certificate sheet headed by the words “summary of the facts related to death “-----Places the President Kennedy’s non-fatal back wound “ in the posterior back at about the level of the Third thoracic vertebrae …Recall that Dr.Burkley wrote the death certificate a day before he had received the Bethesda autopsy report..along with the six copies, before the assassination accounting was manipulated and settled upon….Burkley’s positioning of the Rear Head Wound in the Death Certificate was and is consistent with the Parkland Doctors and Nurses reports of said wounds, along with the Dallas Inquest Report signed on Nov.22/63…the press meeting announcement at Parkland as well as the 15 Doctors,3 Surgery Traumatic Nurses ,Television, radio newspaper reports, eye witnesses ,SS agents, FBI observers and Jacqueline Kennedy". ..The document that was treated like the “plague” to the Commission’s already predetermined conclusions…”one it treated like a poisonous snake”.. ------was John F .Kennedy’s death certificate---signed by Dr. G. Burkley The death certificate sheet headed by the words “summary of the facts related to death “-----Places the President Kennedy’s non-fatal back wound “ in the posterior back at about the level of the Third thoracic vertebrae …Recall that Dr.Burkley wrote the death certificate a day before he had received the Bethesda autopsy report..along with the six copies , before the assassination accounting was manipulated and settled upon….(notes..page 415..For Burkley’s Nov.24/63 ,receipt of the official autopsy report ,see ARRB Master Set of Medical Records.). Burkley’s positioning of the Rear Wound in the Death Certificate was and is consistent with the Parkland Doctors and Nurses reports of said wounds, along with the Dallas Inquest Report signed on Nov.22/63…the press meeting announcement at Parkland as well as the 15 Doctors,3 Surgery Traumatic Nurses ,Television, radio newspaper reports, eye witnesses ,SS agents, FBI observers and Jacqueline Kennedy,, It is not however CONSISTENT with, nor seen in the ZAPRUDER FILM….film, nor the individual frames from such…. The Dallas Inquest Report…and Burkley’s positioning of the rear head wound that was “signed on Nov. 22/63..at 1pm..states, by Theran Ward justice of the peace ,Precinct Nov.2, Dallas County… Under the heading “Findings of the Justice” ,it reports the cause of death as “ two gunshot wounds..” one of which was “near the center of the body and just above the right shoulder .”” Ward’s information comes from Dr .Malcolm Perry, This document also destroys the information that the body was not turned over and was therefore they were unaware of JFK’s back wound.. and that the Parkland emergency team never checked such.. Harold Wiesberg also in a interview with” Dr. Charles Carrico of Parkland ,who reported that he ran his hands down the sides of Kennedy’s body to determine whether there was a large wound in the back . Carrico noted that this was standard operational procedure in all gunshot cases..” (Notes :page 415.”.It should be noted that there are Two Dallas JFK death certificates . The one signed by Theran Ward on November 22/63, it placed the non fatal rear wound “just above the right shoulder “ as sited in the text..A second death certificate signed by Ward on December 6/63..reported that the immediate cause of death was “ multiple gun shots wounds to the head and the neck”….Since the later was issued after the official autopsy report was released the author Gerald McKnight regards this repositioning of the none fatal posterior wound with great suspicion .For copies of these Dallas County death certificates ,see ARRB ,Master Set of Medical Exhibits ,MD 42 and MD 43 ..The HSCA forensic panel chose to site the second Dec.6/63 version od the death certificate in its critique of the official autopsy report because that version was compatible with it’s findings that the report , while sullied by gross errors and deficiencies,had arrived at “correct and valid conclusions”. See HSCA .Mar.79 vol.7,189..see Weisberg interview with Dr. Charles Carrico, Dec. 1/77,Southwestern Medical School ,Univ. Texas ,Harold Weisberg’s autopsy file ,Weisberg archive..”.. John F. Kennedy’s death certificate affected greatly, the Warren Commission’s Weekend conclusions that a lone assassin had shot and killed the President, from the TSBD…so they therefore ignored and suppressed the report on his wounds.The Death Certificate does not appear in the Report, now the 26 Volumes of Hearings and Exhibits….Ignoring it appears that is was his Assassination after all that generated the 914 page investigative report displayed with almost seven thousand footnotes and a “bodyguard” of 26 stout volumes of more than 10 Million Words… A two page death certificate threatened to bring down this astounding, regarded as a respectful officially “sanctioned truths and conclusions is a scenario worthy of George Orwell”.. Pages…6-7-167-8-177-8-9- BOT..McKnight.. ********************************************** B... Edited October 15, 2006 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Bernice, as far as the NPIC, am I correct in understanding that the there is no record indicating that the NPIC or CIA concluded there were two shooters, but that this is McKnight's understanding of the 4 boards found in the archives? (It had been my understanding that these were not discovered till the 80s and yet there they are in the Rockefeller Commission files from 75.) Anyhow, if you look at the calculations on the sheets, they calulate 32 when they assume the Zapruder film was running at 16 fps, and 36, when they assume the Zapruder film was running at 18 fps. In other words, they assume a 2 sec differential no matter what. I'd bet the farm this was because they believed that was the amount of time between shots from the M/C. They were wrong. In their primary scenario they placed the shots at 210 and 242. Later, when the WC men argued over the Z film there was ONE guy who held out that Connally was first hit at 242 (which, presumably, would make the three shots three hits scenario viable). That guy was Arlen Specter. After the May 24 re-enactment, however, they realized that Connally was out of position after Z-230. This necessitated the single-bullet theory. Anyhow, due to his initial unwillingness to budge from 242 as the moment of impact on Connally, I suspect Specter was shown the NPIC analysis, probably by SS Inspector Thomas Kelley, the same guy who showed him the autopsy photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Agbat Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 John, any Texas politician who wanted to re-open such an investigation would soon find themselves dead of a suicide.... The suicide would be prefaced by a complete destruction of reputation and loss of career. This is the same way "uncooperative" members of the press are handled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 (edited) Q : One thing I have difficulty understanding is why Texan authorities see no reason to reopen investigations, yet because it is a murder, the case remains open. (as far as I understand)* Because it is a murder, the case remains open and therefore files on the case can be kept open and therefore denied release through FOI requests when that file is 'open', and perhaps not even listed as existing. *is this correct and can something be done about it? IF it's correct and, as stated (Frank,Peter), pushing for re-opening investigation is indeed out if the question, is it possible to close the case officially? I think (assuming that is correct) 1. closing the case in Texas 2. abolition of the death penalty in Texas (I'm totally against the death penalty anyway, but in this case would free people to speak out) would be two steps forward. so Q: why does Texas consider the case open? That and the death penalty, plus the possible dangers to anyone pushing to open the case, has it tied up so a solution is nigh impossible. Is it as simple as seeing it as a pointer to the guilty? Edited October 15, 2006 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Raymond Carroll Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 (32) How was LHO able to correctly identify the parties who were standing in front of the TSBD just moments before the shooting if he was, as the WC states, on the sixth floor preparing to fire a rifle? Correct identification points more toward the veracity of the "in the lunchroom having a coke" statement. Can you please elaborate on this. Who are two men and can you point us to the source for the statement that Lee knew they were "in front of the TSBD moments before the shooting"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 (32) How was LHO able to correctly identify the parties who were standing in front of the TSBD just moments before the shooting if he was, as the WC states, on the sixth floor preparing to fire a rifle? Correct identification points more toward the veracity of the "in the lunchroom having a coke" statement. Can you please elaborate on this. Who are two men and can you point us to the source for the statement that Lee knew they were "in front of the TSBD moments before the shooting"? Ray, See Fritz' notes Say two negr came in one Jr + short negro See Bookhout report on this in appendix XI ...had eaten lunch in the lunch room... recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He recalled one of these employees was called "Junior" and the other was a short individual..." This was Junior Jarman and Shorty Norman. Their testimony has them coming in to the building at about 12:23 heading to the 5th floor. They may have walked through the Domino room before going up, or Oswald may have only been referring to seeing them entering the building, and Bookhout got it slightly wrong. Either way, the official version has him claiming to have had lunch with these two. This slight reworking of his alibi was much easier to negate. Jarman and Norman merely had to tell the truth - "no - never had lunch with him..." His actual alibi is a whole other matter. He could not have seen them enter the building from the smoker's nook on the 6th floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 (edited) Bernice, as far as the NPIC, am I correct in understanding that the there is no record indicating that the NPIC or CIA concluded there were two shooters, but that this is McKnight's understanding of the 4 boards found in the archives? (It had been my understanding that these were not discovered till the 80s and yet there they are in the Rockefeller Commission files from 75.) Anyhow, if you look at the calculations on the sheets, they calulate 32 when they assume the Zapruder film was running at 16 fps, and 36, when they assume the Zapruder film was running at 18 fps. In other words, they assume a 2 sec differential no matter what. I'd bet the farm this was because they believed that was the amount of time between shots from the M/C. They were wrong. In their primary scenario they placed the shots at 210 and 242. Later, when the WC men argued over the Z film there was ONE guy who held out that Connally was first hit at 242 (which, presumably, would make the three shots three hits scenario viable). That guy was Arlen Specter. After the May 24 re-enactment, however, they realized that Connally was out of position after Z-230. This necessitated the single-bullet theory. Anyhow, due to his initial unwillingness to budge from 242 as the moment of impact on Connally, I suspect Specter was shown the NPIC analysis, probably by SS Inspector Thomas Kelley, the same guy who showed him the autopsy photo. ************************************* Pat: Bernice, as far as the NPIC, am I correct in understanding that the there is no record indicating that the NPIC or CIA concluded there were two shooters, but that this is McKnight's understanding of the 4 boards found in the archives? (It had been my understanding that these were not discovered till the 80s and yet there they are in the Rockefeller Commission files from 75.) Bernice: Yes there is a record, NPIC's photo analysis of the Zapruder film, see E.H.Knoche, assistant councel to the CIA Director, to Robert Olsen 5/14/75....CIA document No.1641-450, released May 18/1982...Copy can be found in the Harold Weisberg Archive, Hood College, Maryland. p.374.. ********************* Pat: Anyhow, if you look at the calculations on the sheets, they calulate 32 when they assume the Zapruder film was running at 16 fps, and 36, when they assume the Zapruder film was running at 18 fps. In other words, they assume a 2 sec differential no matter what. I'd bet the farm this was because they believed that was the amount of time between shots from the M/C. They were wrong. In their primary scenario they placed the shots at 210 and 242. Later, when the WC men argued over the Z film there was ONE guy who held out that Connally was first hit at 242 (which, presumably, would make the three shots three hits scenario viable). That guy was Arlen Specter. After the May 24 re-enactment, however, they realized that Connally was out of position after Z-230. This necessitated the single-bullet theory. Anyhow, due to his initial unwillingness to budge from 242 as the moment of impact on Connally, I suspect Specter was shown the NPIC analysis, probably by SS Inspector Thomas Kelley, the same guy who showed him the autopsy photo. Bernice: They supressed the results of the analysis of the NPIC of the Zapruder film.The FBI and CIA engaged in a conspiracy of silence, they had already decided that LHO was the lone gunman that week-end.p.6 The FBI rushed it's report through CD 1, laid out that Kennedy was hit by the first and third shots, Connally, by the second, a separate bullet. This CD 1 spends less than 60 words on the shooting. But it was rushed into print without consulting the official autopsy report...oops..all shots from behind, and it also failed to mention any of their wounds, failed to give the cause of the President's death.and surpressed any mention of the curbstone shot...or " missed bullet." It was "Hoover's hasty, shake-and-bake solution to the Kennedy murder".......though they realised it was inconsistant with the physical evidence. "To impose the FBI's investigative "triumph" on the nation and the bludgeon the Commission into acquiescence. Hoover had CD 1s conclusions leaked to the press before President Johnson's blue ribbon commission had even settled into it's quarters at the Veterans of Foreign Wars Building"........ The FBI then built their scale model of Dealey Plaza and had it ready for inspection..by the end of January...."it was a constant reminder along with it's accompanying visuals such as a panoramic aerial view of the entire assassination area and a brochure... .... describing the exhibit's technical details...and was a constant reminder to the commissioners and legal staff of the "true facts". " "The impressive 480 square foot-mock-up was designed as an architectonic testimonial to the Hoover version of the assassination".. From Feb till June Commission staff lawyers worked with the layout in the assembly room to construct the sequence that killed JFK and wounded Connally...In order to pinpoint the timing intervals between " the assassin's " three shots, lawyer Eisenberg made use fo some of the assassination films, Zapruder, Nix, Muchmore, plus slides of Zapruder's film, he enlisted the assistance of FBI and SS agents, medical Doctors, army ballistics experts and one veterinarian...( W.D Griffith to Conrad 1/28.64, FBIHQJFK assn file 62-109060-2367, Rosen to Belmont 4/15/64, FBIHQJFK assn file 62-109060-2933, Griffith to Conrad 4/22/64, FBIHQ JFK assn file 62-109060-2985. Trouble was during these long five months that the Com groped toward's trying to validate it's preconceived conclussions of the one lone gunman, despite facts and a preponderance of evidence that pointed in another direction, it was bogus....Because they had chosen to ignore the bullet that had hit the curbstone....the Tague shot, or the missed shot.....it could not account for the FBI's model of three shots three hits..the fourth shot meant two assassins. The lapsed time they worked with was 2.3 seconds by the best of professional experts to cycle the alleged murder weapon.....so instead of being the lapsed time of 4.8 to 5.6 seconds between the second and third shot...that had to be stretched.....to 7.1 to 7.9 secs...However they were not interested about a shooting span of over 7 seconds.....so..Eisenberg and his staff pondered. With a June 1st deadline in front of them and approaching fast....this mortifying fact plagued them...the single bullet construction was being discredited even as the Comm. members were dreaming it up..and prey may we ask what had happened to the bullet that they said had exited Kennedy's throat at the front???? The premise was that the shot had only hit soft tissue in the President's neck... it should have ripped into the car after exiting his body, but it had not ??......in an aside to Inspector Thomas Kelley , the Secret Service's liason with the Commission, one of the staff lawyers offered as " an outside possibility, that the first shot might had gone through JFK with sufficient velocity "" to penetrate Connally's body, wrist and leg""....Kelley later confided to the FBI's L.T. Gauthier that the idea was "rediculous " and that a shot under those circumstances would have gone completely wild."" In April Eisenberg arranged for two sessions, with the three pathologists who had performed the autopsy......Humes, Boswell and Fink.....they viewed the Zapruder film for the first time..Humes took the lead seeing that he had written the autopsy in this session..After viewing the film and the Zapruder slides, he hypothesized that Connally was hit by the first two shots..He thought that the first shot had exited Kennedy's throat and then passed through Connallys chest loosing it's velocity, it then lodged into the governor's clothing and later appeared on his stretcher....the second shot hit Connally's wrist with such velocity it shattered into fragments one causing the wound to his thigh.....Just as they had testified to the WC a month earlier Humes and the other two prosecters had not changed their opinions about Connally's wrist wound...All three were convinced that the near pristine CE 399 was not mutilated enough to have shattered the governors wrist bone. Humes, Boswell, and Finck refused to attribute any magic to the "magic bullet"....Neither did Mr.& Mrs Connelly at the second conference a week later...even after viewing the Zapruder film.Their own two ballistics experts, Dr.Joseph R.Dolce and Dr.Frederick W.Light jr...Whose expertise was also ignored......and did not carry the day....Dolce's echoing Humes, and Light agreeing, CE 399 could not shatter the Governor's wrist and remain as pristine as it was.....all Dolce's 33 years as a surgeon and in wound ballistics were dismissed..After the conference Dolce mentioned the " legal" talent in attendance.. The one who battled the hardest for CE 399, Dolce recalled was ..you got it.....Arlen Specter . Only Dr.Oliver ( a veterinarian chief of the division, Wound Ballistic Brandh at Edgewood ) of the same institution as Dolce, Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland..witheld an opinion, until he could make some tests on animal tissue and bone with the rifle. After the tests by all the Edgewood experts, in 1986 Dolce was inteviewed by Chip Selby in every instance he stated the bullet " was markedly deformed".. from pages 183, to 187. The FBI labratory had established the Zapruder Bell & Howell zoom-lens 8 mm camera, took on average 18.3 frames per second.. as seen above they disregarded the NPIC report.....the lapsed time between the first shot that struck JFK Z (210) and the last frame in which Connally could have been hit Z (236) was less than two seconds.....these parameters were not calculated to inspire relief or celebrations.......as the firearms experts had found the rifle required a minimum of 2.3 seconds between shots. They had made for themselves a Hobson's choice....an anathema politically, that Connaly had been hit by a separate shot by a second gunman.....or the nonfatal bullet that sruck Kennedy from the rear exited his body and continued downward hitting Connally and causing all his wounds.... In order to excise this demon of conspiracy, Rankin and his staff lawyers paid a heavy price.......in the coin of credibility, ignoring all their own hand picked experts...there was staff pressure on Rankin to enlist the FBI's help in a reenactment of the assn at the scene of the crime... Hoover whose grip on the assn facts was tenuous at best, felt the April conference was "poppy-cock". Alex Rosen and Alan Belmont his senior asst directors, were even more opposed to any re-enactment. They knew the made up story was impossible and wanted no part of any inquiry that could prove their so-called investigation was no better than fiction. Hoover was satisfied with the sprawling model of Dallas. When Rankin sent out feelers, to the FBI about their personnel help in collecting on the site data to resolve some " technical problems" the FBI said it would "prefer not to be involved in any such plan"... What Rankin characterized as technical problems centred on whether JFK and Connally were aligned at or near Zapruder fr. # 236, so that a shot from the southwest corner of the sixth floor of the TSBD, the alleged " sniper's nest" could have penetrated both their bodies. "Tentatively, the groundwork for the counterfeit history of CE 399 that the Commission advanced as an indispensable part of it's "factual story" of the Kennedy assassination was being laid.." However, it was Norman Redlich, Rankin's "top gun"amongst the assistant counsels, who pointed out in the strongest terms that the FBI model of the shooting was a rock tied around the Commission's neck. Redlich's memo to the general counsel urging him to abandon the FBI and Secret Service's assertions that Connally had been struck by a separate bullet was written a week after the April 21st conference..He told Rankin the FBI and the SS "were totally incorrect, and if left uncorrected, will present a completely misleading picture"..Redlich did not pull his punches: If the Commission adopted the FBI model, it was his opinion that this "would place the report in jeopardy since it is a certainty that others will examine the Zapruder film and raise the same questions which have been raised by our examination of the film ". Redlich urged the Comm. to go to Dallas and collect it's own on the site data to establish that it would have been "physically possible" for Oswald to have accomplished what the Commission intended all along to attribute to him..... " Our intention, he briefed Rankin was "not to establish the point" at which JFK and Connally had been hit with the first shot " with complete accuracy, but merely to substantiate the hypothesis which underlies the conclusion that Oswald was the sole assassin." since the FBI model of the shooting could not be jiggered to accomodate a single-bullet hypothesis, it had to be jettisoned. A contingent of the Comm. members made a visit May 7-9th /64 to the scene of the crime. Cooper, McCloy, Dulles, escorted by junior counsel David W.Belin..For two days Belin acted as a guide during a walkabout familiarizing themselves with the layout, they made themselves available for interviews and even Belin's report on the trip did not try to diguise the fact the biggest pay-off was the public relation advantage. Belin however did let it slip, when the commissioners took up the same advantage point that Howard Brennan, their highly touted witness, had occupied while a SS agent had assumed Oswald's alleged position at the window, "where the shots were fired, we could see the problem involved in identification" . It is safe to assume that Belin was referring to the fact that Brennan could not have determined the assassin's height, weight and clothes he was wearing from the waist down unless the SS substitute was standing and pretending to shoot through a windowpane. Rankin did get the FBI to co-operate in the reenactment at the scene of the crime.. The chief counsel promised to supervise the work and bring along certain staff members to help with on the spot examination and evaluation. Rankin selected Arlen Specter and Redlich, Specter's superviser. They expected to arrive May 23rd, and have the reenactment on the 24th.. Two days before Rankin called a meeting that lasted three hours. Asst Director Rosen learned from James R. Malley, the FBI's liaison with the Comm. and one of the bureaus representatives at this lengthy conference, that there were still " a few gaps that remain".. What Malley choose to brush aside as a piddling matter, and Rosen chose to downplay to avoid angering Hoover, was the fact that the Comm. lawyers were now seriously entertaining the possibility that one of the three shots may have missed the presidential limo entirely. In fact, this new development was the focus of the three hours session. At 6 am (cst) on May 24th/64 the Dallas police cordoned off Elm St. and for the next 7 hours the Comm. staff worked with the FBI and the SS teams as they went through their paces in reenacting the government version of the assassination. The Zapruder film was used extensively in the restaging. The Zapruder frames were checked against known reference points in an effort to aline the limo at it's position and the relative positions of Kennedy and Connally...especially from frames #207 through #313..the frame that depicts the fatal head shot... At the end of the day, Rankin, Redlich and Specter were satisfied that they had descovered their " silver bullet" ....At or near Zapruder frame # 222 JFK and Connally were aligned so that a shot from the "sniper's nest" striking the President could have exited his throat and gone into Connally's chest. It had previously been determined that the angle of the bullet traveling through the body of both victims was 17 degrees .At Zapruder # 222 the angle from the " sniper's nest" to JFK's rear wound was also 17degrees .In demonstrating a perfect JFK-Connally alignment at Zapruder # 222, basic trigonometry, it could be said, helped play mid-wife to the "single-bullet theory".. A little more than a week before Rankin, Redlich and Specter left for Dallas, Specter sent a memo to Rankin in which he laid out in detail what should be looked at when the autopsy photos and X-rays were examined. In his second point of this five point memo Specter urged that the autopsy pictures and X-rays were essential "to confirm the precise location" of Kennedy's "upper back" wound as depicted in Commission Exhibits 385 and 386. These were schematic drawings of President Kennedy's non fatal wounds. It is not certain exactly what Specter saw of the autopsy photos and X-rays when he was in Dallas, during the May 24th reenactment, but apparently shortly after the April 30th session the Comm. came to some sort of a understanding that satisfied Warren but permitted some limited ( read "unofficial") access to some sort of the autopsy material, for key staff members only .........during the reenactment at the scene of the crime. This approach meant that the Comm. itself could maintain it's public party line that it never saw nor used the autopsy photographs or X-rays.However, several years after the Comm. had concluded it's business. Specter acknowledged, in rather curious lawyer like language, that he had seen "one picture of the back of the body which was represented to be the back of the President, although it was not technically authenticated".It allowed him to later, when he appeared before the HSCA to deny that they had ever been made available to him, by shaving the truth. There is one "hugger mugger" pungent irony to all this by the WC. using the autopsy picture, Specter was able to pinpoint the precise location of the wound in JFK's back.That this photo was used in the May 24th reenactment is dramatically attested to by photograph number 12 found in Chapter 8 of the WR. In the photograph two FBI standins for the President and Governor have chalk marks patches on their coats representing where the first shot hit JFK and allegedly continued through his body to enter under the Governor's right armpit. The purpose of this was to substantiate the proposition that the two men were in perfect allignment, making it possible for a single bullet to inflict all of the non fatal wounds..SS Inspector Thomas J. Kelley, who assisted in the May 24 th reenactment recalled that the chalk mark on JFK's stand-in " represented the point of the shot which wounded the President". The chalk mark, Kelley told the Comm. was based on the "medical drawings by physicians and people at Parkland " and an examination of the coat JFK was wearing at the time of the assn. In this reenactment the coat on "President Kennedy is not riding up his back".The chalk patch on President Kennedy is clearly located on his back at the level of the third thoracic vertebra, consistant with Dr.G.G.Burkley's description of this wound in the President's death certificate, the same two page, report document that the WC inexplicably failed to include in it's report or in the 26 volumes of Hearings and Exhibits. There is no mistaking this wound for a neck or lower neck wound . The endgame to use the autopsy picture of JFK's back wound was the unintended subversion of the Warren report's single bullet hypothesis. A bullet entering Kennedy's back at the level of the third thoracic vertebra at a downard angle, could not possibly have exited at his throat.....The Commission's own reenactment black and white nunber 12 photograph unmistakably underscored this abberation in it's group-grope for a single bullet no-conspiracy solution. The reenactment picture allowed for no believable explanation of President Kennedy's throat wound. Furthermore, it had to be perfectly evident to Specter that the autopsy picture of Kennedy's back wound used in the reenactment was anatomically incompatible with CE 385 and CE 386. At this point the only explanation for Specter's insistance on the single bullet invention was political need rather than fact. Frompages 189-193. Info from Breach of Trust ..by Gerald McKnight. All documentation for the above information are in the notes section in the back of the book.... Below ( above now) you will also see........ The autopsy report, the verified one from Dr.G.G. Burkley with his notation and signature on the left , you will also notein the one from the WC, below, this notation and his signature has been erased...and is so poor it is unreadable, or I know, just a poor copy...... .I do not know how, but the Dr.Burkley autopsy report ended up on top of the post instead of the bottom, and I have had so much trouble in posting , I am going to leave a sleeping dog alone..... Forget it that did not work either, ok maybe number 5 is lucky.......?? B..... Edited October 16, 2006 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 (edited) I have Breach of Trust. What I was getting at is that there is nothing in the CIA files that says "we conclude there was more than one shooter," there is only McKnight's interpretation from the numbers on the NPIC sheets that there was more than one shooter. As the FBI were the ones to test the Carcano, and determine that it needed a minimum of 2.3 seconds between shots, and the SS and/or CIA were the ones to perform the NPIC analysis, there is no reason to assume the NPIC people knew about the 2.3 seconds, and no reason to assume the FBI knew about the NPIC analysis. If the Kennedy assassination shows us anything it's that the compartments of the government do not share information and do not cooperate with each. There is not one evil government; there is a multitude of incompetent and self-serving bureaucracies. The FBI didn't even look at the autopsy report for over a month after the assassination. Edited October 16, 2006 by Pat Speer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted October 16, 2006 Author Share Posted October 16, 2006 (60) Why did John Whitten's 192-page deposition to the House Select Committee on Assassinations, about the original CIA investigation into Lee Harvey Oswald, become a classified document? (61) Whitten's deposition was finally declassified by the Assassination Records Review Board in 1996. However, they declassify his true name and he continued to be known as John Scelso. His real name was not declassified until 2002. Was this connected to the fact that Whitten died in 2000 and could not therefore be interviewed by journalists or historians? (62) John Tunheim, the chairman of the JFK Assassinations Records Review Board, argued that John Scelso's 1978 testimony "was perhaps the single most important document we uncovered". However, this statement was not released until 2001. A year before Scelso was identified as John Whitten and a year after the death of Whitten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen Turner Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 As my Sainted Grandmother was wont too say."THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Raymond Carroll Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Ray,See Fritz' notes Say two negr came in one Jr + short negro... His actual alibi is a whole other matter. He could not have seen them enter the building from the smoker's nook on the 6th floor. Thanks, Greg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David G. Healy Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 (edited) Top Post B., In your travels through this evidence morass, have you run across a date [month,day,year] when the NPIC first evaluated the Zapruder Film? Thanks -- DHealy Pat Speer' wrote:A couple of corrections to Bernice's list... Ford was a congressman in 1963. He never was a Senator. B: Correction, Pat, he was a Congressman... ************************** Pat: He changed the back wound from "back" to "back of the neck" and the report ended up saying "base of the back of the neck." This was probably an innocent mistake in that Ford was not the sharpest tack in the box and was almost undoubtedly basing his impression of the wound on the Rydberg drawings, which depicted the wound at the base of the neck. Bernice : Not innocent IMO....."In editing the initial draft of the Warren Report , Ford moved the the wound In Kennedy's back from a "point slightly below the shoulder to the right of the spine " to " the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine" . Ford's revision brought the posterior wound in line wiht the Commission's no-conspiracy conclusion, repositioning it to make it consistant with what came to be called " the single bullet theory"..Ford's editing of the Warren Com Report draft dated 6/26/64 ,can be found in the Rankin Papers ,box 26, folder 385 ,NARA. Pat: The real question is why Arlen Specter, who'd seen the back wound on an autopsy photo and knew the Rydberg drawings were incorrect, never tried to have the drawings corrected and said nothing to the commission. And I have an answer to that question: he was an ambitious spineless coward. The head wound wasn't moved till 1968. Bernice : "During Specter's and the commission's "March 16th questioning , Humes repeatedly referred to these drawings ( Ryberg's because they were denied access to the autopsy pictures and X-rays .According to Hume's testimony , the drawings depicted the trajectory of the nonfatal bullet ( CE 399) entering Kennedy's lower neck at a downward angle and exiting his throat in the region of the Adam's Apple.) when describing JFK's neck wounds . When McCloy asked the navy Doctor if the bullet trajectory took " roughly the line which is shown on your Exhibit 385", Hume's succinct response was "Yes, Sir". Even to the medically or forensically untrained eye it is patently obvious that the depciations of JFK's nonfatal wounds presumably produced by bullet CE 399 in photograph Number 12 and CE 385 and CE 386 are hopelessly irreconcilable .There is no way that these separate representations can coexist in the Commission's own permanent record without inviting skepticism of the deepest die. Commissioner Gerald Ford spotted this "eccentricity" in the report's third draft where it asserted , "A bullet entered his back at a point slightly above the shoulder to the right of the spine."..Ford edited the sentence to read, " A bullet entered the back of his neck slightly to the right pf the spine." With just a few facile changes, Ford and the Reediting Committee were satisfied that photograph Number 12, based on Specter's prized autopsy picture ,and Hume's much-exploited drawing's ...stand ins for the best evidence ....were now compatible ans would travel well together. Ford's editing of the Warren Com Report draft dated 6/26/64 ,can be found in the Rankin Papers ,box 26, folder 385 ,NARA ************************************ Pat:The NPIC study was done for the Secret Service. dgh: Pat, do you have a cite re: the NPIC study was done for the Secret Service, [specifically? Or, are you assuming that conclusion from Doug Hornes interview with NPIC employees[/b]. Thanks -- David Healy .. Bernice : "Zapruder Film re NPIC ...also the following from "Breach of Trust.".for information.. "Several days after the assassination the CIA received, from the Secret Service a copy of the Zapruder film. In return for a copy of the film the SS received an analysis of the film from the agency's National Photographic Intelligence Center (NPIC) in Washington. It had the reputation as being the finest photo-interpretation center in the world. The center's interpretation had come to the conclusions, that (1) the first shot had not come from the TSBD.."Sniper’s nest "..And (2) that there had been at LEAST two gunmen in Dealey Plaza shooting at the limo...But the results were supressed..page 6.. The three cartridges found in the TSBD on the 6th floor, corresponded with the time frame dictated within the Zapruder Film...which allows for only three shots from the MC rifle..It took at best a little more than two seconds just to cycle the rifle ,with no leeway factored in for the shooter to keep the scope fixed on the moving target. The manual that accompanied the model determined that all the shooting had occurred within a span of 6.4 to 8.0 seconds. But seeing and having to acknowledge the shot that had hit the curb on the South side of Main St. and wounding, on the cheek, bystander JamesT.Tague..a fourth shot could only be explained by a second gunman, but this was politically unacceptable... ( FBI Manual, Rankin Papers, " Investigation and Evidence"..RG 12, box 8, folder 7.Nara, 14-15.) The FBI chose to ignore the Tague shot, and the wound in the front of JFK's throat...page 99-100 The CIA uncovered critical evidence in the assassination before the government's official version was agreed upon..and before President Johnson appointed the WC..after the SS turned over a copy of the Zapruder film to the CIA, and the NPIC had completed it's analysis ,it had been discovered that the first shot, according to the film, had come Before Zapruder frame 210.....and a second shot at frame # 242, just 1.6 seconds after the first shot. All the WC experts agreed that even the most experienced and skilled gunman would require at least 2.4 seconds..the 1.6 second shot interlude meant there had to be more than one shooter.. Page: 151. (.McKnight’s telephone interview , May 2,2003...with Dino A.Brugioni, the center’s chief analysis who was in charged of the NPICs interpretation of the Zapruder film..( Conclusion that follows are McKnights..not attributed to Brugioni, "When Brugioni turned over to McCone, or Helms the four-photo briefing boards with accompanying memoranda or explanations interpreting the calculations in the document, he had no knowledge of the "Official Truth"..of JFK's assassination that had been decided upon over the weekend..( notes page 406) See also..Philip Melanson, "Hidden Exposure: Cover Up & Intrigue in the CIA's Secret Possession of the Zapruder Film"..The The Third Decade no.1 ( November 84).9. Melanson makes a strong circumstantial case the NPIC received a copy of the Zapruder Film the day after the assassination"... Also see CIA document 1641-450 for NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film..of JFK's assassination These results were pried loose from the CIA by a FOIA request in 82 by Harold Weisberg ..or see Wiesberg's "Photographic Whitewash --Suppressed Kennedy Assassination Pictures"..1967..available at Hood College..pages: 302-303.) The Warren Report held that the first shot could not have been fired before Z..210..Therefore the analysis and results of the FBI and CIA, of the Zapruder film were ignored.... The FBI and Rankin and staff suppressed the findings of the Bureau's photo interpretation of Zapruder's film. It is not certain whether McCone or Helms ever shared with the Commission the NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film. What the record does show is that the FBI and CIA colluded in the fabrication of a story that the CIA never received a copy of the Zapruder film..until Dec.1964..after the Commission disbanded Hoover told Rankin that in Dec. 64 the CIA requested a copy of the film for training purposes"..pages 151-152.. ( Hoover to Rankin Dec4/64..Copy of letter appears in Wiesberg's , "Photographic Whitewash." page 143..) The three cartridges found in the TSBD on the 6th floor, corresponded with the time frame dictated within the Zapruder Film...which allows for only three shots from the MC rifle..It took at best a little more than two seconds just to cycle the rifle ,with no leeway factored in for the shooter to keep the scope fixed on the moving target. The manual that accompanied the model determined that all the shooting had occurred within a span of 6.4 to 8.0 seconds. But seeing and having to acknowledge the shot that had hit the curb on the South side of Main St. and wounding, on the cheek, bystander JamesT.Tague..a fourth shot could only be explained by a second gunman, but this was politically unacceptable... ( FBI Manual, Rankin Papers, " Investigation and Evidence"..RG 12, box 8, folder 7.Nara, 14-15.) The FBI chose to ignore the Tague shot, and the wound in the front of JFK's throat...page 99-100 The CIA uncovered critical evidence in the assassination before the government's official version was agreed upon..and before President Johnson appointed the WC..after the SS turned over a copy of the Zapruder film to the CIA, and the NPIC had completed it's analysis ,it had been discovered that the first shot, according to the film, had come Before Zapruder frame 210.....and a second shot at frame # 242, just 1.6 seconds after the first shot. All the WC experts agreed that even the most experienced and skilled gunman would require at least 2.4 seconds..the 1.6 second shot interlude meant there had to be more than one shooter.. Page: 151. (.McKnight’s telephone interview , May 2,2003...with Dino A.Brugioni, the center’s chief analysis who was in charged of the NPICs interpretation of the Zapruder film..( Conclusion that follows are McKnights..not attributed to Brugioni, "When Brugioni turned over to McCone, or Helms the four-photo briefing boards with accompanying memoranda or explanations interpreting the calculations in the document, he had no knowledge of the "Official Truth"..of JFK's assassination that had been decided upon over the weekend..( notes page 406) See also..Philip Melanson, "Hidden Exposure: Cover Up & Intrigue in the CIA's Secret Possession of the Zapruder Film"..The The Third Decade no.1 ( November 84).9. Melanson makes a strong circumstantial case the NPIC received a copy of the Zapruder Film the day after the assassination"... Also see CIA document 1641-450 for NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film..of JFK's assassination These results were pried loose from the CIA by a FOIA request in 82 by Harold Weisberg ..or see Wiesberg's "Photographic Whitewash --Suppressed Kennedy Assassination Pictures"..1967..available at Hood College..pages: 302-303.) The Warren Report held that the first shot could not have been fired before Z..210..Therefore the analysis and results of the FBI and CIA, of the Zapruder film were ignored.... The FBI and Rankin and staff suppressed the findings of the Bureau's photo interpretation of Zapruder's film. It is not certain whether McCone or Helms ever shared with the Commission the NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film. What the record does show is that the FBI and CIA colluded in the fabrication of a story that the CIA never received a copy of the Zapruder film..until Dec.1964..after the Commission disbanded Hoover told Rankin that in Dec. 64 the CIA requested a copy of the film for training purposes..pages 151-152.. ( Hoover to Rankin Dec4/64..Copy of letter appears in Wiesberg's , "Photographic Whitewash." page 143..) *****"" In my ( McKnight’s) conversation with Brugioni , he was absolutely clear that it was over the week-end following the assassination that McCone requested that NPIC submit the Zapruder film to analysis. Brugioni still recalls his shock when he witnessed the Fatal Shot That took off the right side of the President’s Head”. (Notes: page 407) The work of compiling the medical evidence record of the President's autopsy did not require neither the co-operation of the FBI nor the CIA....so in this area of the investigation the Commissions efforts were not impeded nor distorted..by any investigative dishonesties and or cover-ups perpetrated upon such by the agencies..The WC condoned the sanctioned perjury ,connived, at the destruction of the best evidence ,boycotted key witnesses ,and deliberately and knowingly suppressed materials, medical records and legal documents. The massive corruption of the autopsy records was undertaken with one purpose : To ensure that the Medical evidence in the President's assassination was consistent with the Official Government's version of a Lone Assassin.. "The Overwhelming weight of the evidence supports the view that President Kennedy's official autopsy report was Deliberately Falsified to suppress the fact that he was a victim of a conspiracy." "It is a joyless irony that the autopsy of Kennedy's alleged assassin Lee Harvey Oswald ,performed by the Dallas County medical examiner ,Dr..Rose ,was worthy of a President. By comparison. President Kennedy received an autopsy unworthy of even the most unfortunate and unlamented derelict.." page: 153...(For critics and information of the President's autopsy see..... Henry Hurt aptly described JFK's autopsy as "the autopsy of the century" .See Hurt " Reasonable Doubt "..Sylvia Meagher ,"Accessories After The Fact." ..reprint 1992.. David Lifton " Best Evidence" 1981..Harold Weisberg " Post Mortum"..1975..Weisberg's powerful work still remains the most forcefully argued critique of the official autopsy..The official defenders of the President's autopsy whom usually argue that whereas the autopsy had starling deficiencies, it still arrived at the correct and valid conclusions ..such as Gerald Posner.."Case Closed"..1993..David Wobbling "November 22,1963:You are the Jury." 1973..David Belin’s, Wobbling "Final Disclosure"..1988..Denis L.Breo."JFK's Death"..parts 1-3..Journal of the American Medical Association 267 ,no.20 & 268.no.13...and John K. Latimer "Kennedy and Lincoln..Medical and Ballistics Comparisons of Their Assassinations..1980..notes p:407.. "Anticipating the FBI ,the CIA's NPIC ran it's own analysis of the Zaprduer film over the week-end following the assassinations. Like their FBI counterparts , the NPIC interpreteurs established that the first shot came before Oswald could have a clear view of the presidential limo and that there were at least two shooters". p.355 and chapter 6.. "Breach of Trust" ************************ Pat: Burkley's placement of the back wound at the third thoracic level was not confirmed by the Parkland witnesses, as none of the Parkland witnesses, save a nurse many years later, made any statements indicating they even knew of this wound's existence. While Burkley may have simply said third thoracic based upon his own observation, the possibility he saw the face sheet at the autopsy, which places the wound in that area, seems m ore likely. As Burkley spent most of his time with the family, it seems likely he only took a passing glance at Kennedy, and deferred to the face sheet. There is certainly no report of Burkley making a close inspection of the body. When you look at the face sheet it is clear the drawing is inaccurate in the shoulder area. A mark in line with the shoulder is way too far from the head, and a mark the correct distance from the head is way too far above the shoulder. On the night of the autopsy I believe Boswell placed the wound--which was around T-1 T-2, in line with the shoulder. Later, when it became a huge issue, he placed the wound in relation to the head, effecvtively moving the wound onto the neck. A wound at T-1, as acknowledged by the HSCA, is still too low to be in line with a trajectory from the sniper's nest to the throat. As a result I feel the T-3 T-1 dispute is a non-issue. What remains an issue is whether the doctors deliberately lied to Rydberg when he created his drawings depicting the back wound 2 inches higher than T-1. Bernice :Correction....*****It should read Rear Head Wound"****** will correct and add in Head".... B: "Why------was John F .Kennedy’s death certificate---signed by Dr. G. Burkley treated as such... The death certificate sheet headed by the words “summary of the facts related to death “-----Places the President Kennedy’s non-fatal back wound “ in the posterior back at about the level of the Third thoracic vertebrae …Recall that Dr.Burkley wrote the death certificate a day before he had received the Bethesda autopsy report..along with the six copies, before the assassination accounting was manipulated and settled upon….Burkley’s positioning of the Rear Head Wound in the Death Certificate was and is consistent with the Parkland Doctors and Nurses reports of said wounds, along with the Dallas Inquest Report signed on Nov.22/63…the press meeting announcement at Parkland as well as the 15 Doctors,3 Surgery Traumatic Nurses ,Television, radio newspaper reports, eye witnesses ,SS agents, FBI observers and Jacqueline Kennedy". ..The document that was treated like the “plague” to the Commission’s already predetermined conclusions…”one it treated like a poisonous snake”.. ------was John F .Kennedy’s death certificate---signed by Dr. G. Burkley The death certificate sheet headed by the words “summary of the facts related to death “-----Places the President Kennedy’s non-fatal back wound “ in the posterior back at about the level of the Third thoracic vertebrae …Recall that Dr.Burkley wrote the death certificate a day before he had received the Bethesda autopsy report..along with the six copies , before the assassination accounting was manipulated and settled upon….(notes..page 415..For Burkley’s Nov.24/63 ,receipt of the official autopsy report ,see ARRB Master Set of Medical Records.). Burkley’s positioning of the Rear Wound in the Death Certificate was and is consistent with the Parkland Doctors and Nurses reports of said wounds, along with the Dallas Inquest Report signed on Nov.22/63…the press meeting announcement at Parkland as well as the 15 Doctors,3 Surgery Traumatic Nurses ,Television, radio newspaper reports, eye witnesses ,SS agents, FBI observers and Jacqueline Kennedy,, It is not however CONSISTENT with, nor seen in the ZAPRUDER FILM….film, nor the individual frames from such…. The Dallas Inquest Report…and Burkley’s positioning of the rear head wound that was “signed on Nov. 22/63..at 1pm..states, by Theran Ward justice of the peace ,Precinct Nov.2, Dallas County… Under the heading “Findings of the Justice” ,it reports the cause of death as “ two gunshot wounds..” one of which was “near the center of the body and just above the right shoulder .”” Ward’s information comes from Dr .Malcolm Perry, This document also destroys the information that the body was not turned over and was therefore they were unaware of JFK’s back wound.. and that the Parkland emergency team never checked such.. Harold Wiesberg also in a interview with” Dr. Charles Carrico of Parkland ,who reported that he ran his hands down the sides of Kennedy’s body to determine whether there was a large wound in the back . Carrico noted that this was standard operational procedure in all gunshot cases..” (Notes :page 415.”.It should be noted that there are Two Dallas JFK death certificates . The one signed by Theran Ward on November 22/63, it placed the non fatal rear wound “just above the right shoulder “ as sited in the text..A second death certificate signed by Ward on December 6/63..reported that the immediate cause of death was “ multiple gun shots wounds to the head and the neck”….Since the later was issued after the official autopsy report was released the author Gerald McKnight regards this repositioning of the none fatal posterior wound with great suspicion .For copies of these Dallas County death certificates ,see ARRB ,Master Set of Medical Exhibits ,MD 42 and MD 43 ..The HSCA forensic panel chose to site the second Dec.6/63 version od the death certificate in its critique of the official autopsy report because that version was compatible with it’s findings that the report , while sullied by gross errors and deficiencies,had arrived at “correct and valid conclusions”. See HSCA .Mar.79 vol.7,189..see Weisberg interview with Dr. Charles Carrico, Dec. 1/77,Southwestern Medical School ,Univ. Texas ,Harold Weisberg’s autopsy file ,Weisberg archive..”.. John F. Kennedy’s death certificate affected greatly, the Warren Commission’s Weekend conclusions that a lone assassin had shot and killed the President, from the TSBD…so they therefore ignored and suppressed the report on his wounds.The Death Certificate does not appear in the Report, now the 26 Volumes of Hearings and Exhibits….Ignoring it appears that is was his Assassination after all that generated the 914 page investigative report displayed with almost seven thousand footnotes and a “bodyguard” of 26 stout volumes of more than 10 Million Words… A two page death certificate threatened to bring down this astounding, regarded as a respectful officially “sanctioned truths and conclusions is a scenario worthy of George Orwell”.. Pages…6-7-167-8-177-8-9- BOT..McKnight.. ********************************************** B... Edited October 16, 2006 by David G. Healy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H. Purvis Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Top PostB., In your travels through this evidence morass, have you run across a date [month,day,year] when the NPIC first evaluated the Zapruder Film? Thanks -- DHealy Pat Speer' wrote: A couple of corrections to Bernice's list... Ford was a congressman in 1963. He never was a Senator. B: Correction, Pat, he was a Congressman... ************************** Pat: He changed the back wound from "back" to "back of the neck" and the report ended up saying "base of the back of the neck." This was probably an innocent mistake in that Ford was not the sharpest tack in the box and was almost undoubtedly basing his impression of the wound on the Rydberg drawings, which depicted the wound at the base of the neck. Bernice : Not innocent IMO....."In editing the initial draft of the Warren Report , Ford moved the the wound In Kennedy's back from a "point slightly below the shoulder to the right of the spine " to " the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine" . Ford's revision brought the posterior wound in line wiht the Commission's no-conspiracy conclusion, repositioning it to make it consistant with what came to be called " the single bullet theory"..Ford's editing of the Warren Com Report draft dated 6/26/64 ,can be found in the Rankin Papers ,box 26, folder 385 ,NARA. Pat: The real question is why Arlen Specter, who'd seen the back wound on an autopsy photo and knew the Rydberg drawings were incorrect, never tried to have the drawings corrected and said nothing to the commission. And I have an answer to that question: he was an ambitious spineless coward. The head wound wasn't moved till 1968. Bernice : "During Specter's and the commission's "March 16th questioning , Humes repeatedly referred to these drawings ( Ryberg's because they were denied access to the autopsy pictures and X-rays .According to Hume's testimony , the drawings depicted the trajectory of the nonfatal bullet ( CE 399) entering Kennedy's lower neck at a downward angle and exiting his throat in the region of the Adam's Apple.) when describing JFK's neck wounds . When McCloy asked the navy Doctor if the bullet trajectory took " roughly the line which is shown on your Exhibit 385", Hume's succinct response was "Yes, Sir". Even to the medically or forensically untrained eye it is patently obvious that the depciations of JFK's nonfatal wounds presumably produced by bullet CE 399 in photograph Number 12 and CE 385 and CE 386 are hopelessly irreconcilable .There is no way that these separate representations can coexist in the Commission's own permanent record without inviting skepticism of the deepest die. Commissioner Gerald Ford spotted this "eccentricity" in the report's third draft where it asserted , "A bullet entered his back at a point slightly above the shoulder to the right of the spine."..Ford edited the sentence to read, " A bullet entered the back of his neck slightly to the right pf the spine." With just a few facile changes, Ford and the Reediting Committee were satisfied that photograph Number 12, based on Specter's prized autopsy picture ,and Hume's much-exploited drawing's ...stand ins for the best evidence ....were now compatible ans would travel well together. Ford's editing of the Warren Com Report draft dated 6/26/64 ,can be found in the Rankin Papers ,box 26, folder 385 ,NARA ************************************ Pat:The NPIC study was done for the Secret Service. dgh: Pat, do you have a cite re: the NPIC study was done for the Secret Service, [specifically? Or, are you assuming that conclusion from Doug Hornes interview with NPIC employees[/b]. Thanks -- David Healy .. Bernice : "Zapruder Film re NPIC ...also the following from "Breach of Trust.".for information.. "Several days after the assassination the CIA received, from the Secret Service a copy of the Zapruder film. In return for a copy of the film the SS received an analysis of the film from the agency's National Photographic Intelligence Center (NPIC) in Washington. It had the reputation as being the finest photo-interpretation center in the world. The center's interpretation had come to the conclusions, that (1) the first shot had not come from the TSBD.."Sniper’s nest "..And (2) that there had been at LEAST two gunmen in Dealey Plaza shooting at the limo...But the results were supressed..page 6.. The three cartridges found in the TSBD on the 6th floor, corresponded with the time frame dictated within the Zapruder Film...which allows for only three shots from the MC rifle..It took at best a little more than two seconds just to cycle the rifle ,with no leeway factored in for the shooter to keep the scope fixed on the moving target. The manual that accompanied the model determined that all the shooting had occurred within a span of 6.4 to 8.0 seconds. But seeing and having to acknowledge the shot that had hit the curb on the South side of Main St. and wounding, on the cheek, bystander JamesT.Tague..a fourth shot could only be explained by a second gunman, but this was politically unacceptable... ( FBI Manual, Rankin Papers, " Investigation and Evidence"..RG 12, box 8, folder 7.Nara, 14-15.) The FBI chose to ignore the Tague shot, and the wound in the front of JFK's throat...page 99-100 The CIA uncovered critical evidence in the assassination before the government's official version was agreed upon..and before President Johnson appointed the WC..after the SS turned over a copy of the Zapruder film to the CIA, and the NPIC had completed it's analysis ,it had been discovered that the first shot, according to the film, had come Before Zapruder frame 210.....and a second shot at frame # 242, just 1.6 seconds after the first shot. All the WC experts agreed that even the most experienced and skilled gunman would require at least 2.4 seconds..the 1.6 second shot interlude meant there had to be more than one shooter.. Page: 151. (.McKnight’s telephone interview , May 2,2003...with Dino A.Brugioni, the center’s chief analysis who was in charged of the NPICs interpretation of the Zapruder film..( Conclusion that follows are McKnights..not attributed to Brugioni, "When Brugioni turned over to McCone, or Helms the four-photo briefing boards with accompanying memoranda or explanations interpreting the calculations in the document, he had no knowledge of the "Official Truth"..of JFK's assassination that had been decided upon over the weekend..( notes page 406) See also..Philip Melanson, "Hidden Exposure: Cover Up & Intrigue in the CIA's Secret Possession of the Zapruder Film"..The The Third Decade no.1 ( November 84).9. Melanson makes a strong circumstantial case the NPIC received a copy of the Zapruder Film the day after the assassination"... Also see CIA document 1641-450 for NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film..of JFK's assassination These results were pried loose from the CIA by a FOIA request in 82 by Harold Weisberg ..or see Wiesberg's "Photographic Whitewash --Suppressed Kennedy Assassination Pictures"..1967..available at Hood College..pages: 302-303.) The Warren Report held that the first shot could not have been fired before Z..210..Therefore the analysis and results of the FBI and CIA, of the Zapruder film were ignored.... The FBI and Rankin and staff suppressed the findings of the Bureau's photo interpretation of Zapruder's film. It is not certain whether McCone or Helms ever shared with the Commission the NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film. What the record does show is that the FBI and CIA colluded in the fabrication of a story that the CIA never received a copy of the Zapruder film..until Dec.1964..after the Commission disbanded Hoover told Rankin that in Dec. 64 the CIA requested a copy of the film for training purposes"..pages 151-152.. ( Hoover to Rankin Dec4/64..Copy of letter appears in Wiesberg's , "Photographic Whitewash." page 143..) The three cartridges found in the TSBD on the 6th floor, corresponded with the time frame dictated within the Zapruder Film...which allows for only three shots from the MC rifle..It took at best a little more than two seconds just to cycle the rifle ,with no leeway factored in for the shooter to keep the scope fixed on the moving target. The manual that accompanied the model determined that all the shooting had occurred within a span of 6.4 to 8.0 seconds. But seeing and having to acknowledge the shot that had hit the curb on the South side of Main St. and wounding, on the cheek, bystander JamesT.Tague..a fourth shot could only be explained by a second gunman, but this was politically unacceptable... ( FBI Manual, Rankin Papers, " Investigation and Evidence"..RG 12, box 8, folder 7.Nara, 14-15.) The FBI chose to ignore the Tague shot, and the wound in the front of JFK's throat...page 99-100 The CIA uncovered critical evidence in the assassination before the government's official version was agreed upon..and before President Johnson appointed the WC..after the SS turned over a copy of the Zapruder film to the CIA, and the NPIC had completed it's analysis ,it had been discovered that the first shot, according to the film, had come Before Zapruder frame 210.....and a second shot at frame # 242, just 1.6 seconds after the first shot. All the WC experts agreed that even the most experienced and skilled gunman would require at least 2.4 seconds..the 1.6 second shot interlude meant there had to be more than one shooter.. Page: 151. (.McKnight’s telephone interview , May 2,2003...with Dino A.Brugioni, the center’s chief analysis who was in charged of the NPICs interpretation of the Zapruder film..( Conclusion that follows are McKnights..not attributed to Brugioni, "When Brugioni turned over to McCone, or Helms the four-photo briefing boards with accompanying memoranda or explanations interpreting the calculations in the document, he had no knowledge of the "Official Truth"..of JFK's assassination that had been decided upon over the weekend..( notes page 406) See also..Philip Melanson, "Hidden Exposure: Cover Up & Intrigue in the CIA's Secret Possession of the Zapruder Film"..The The Third Decade no.1 ( November 84).9. Melanson makes a strong circumstantial case the NPIC received a copy of the Zapruder Film the day after the assassination"... Also see CIA document 1641-450 for NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film..of JFK's assassination These results were pried loose from the CIA by a FOIA request in 82 by Harold Weisberg ..or see Wiesberg's "Photographic Whitewash --Suppressed Kennedy Assassination Pictures"..1967..available at Hood College..pages: 302-303.) The Warren Report held that the first shot could not have been fired before Z..210..Therefore the analysis and results of the FBI and CIA, of the Zapruder film were ignored.... The FBI and Rankin and staff suppressed the findings of the Bureau's photo interpretation of Zapruder's film. It is not certain whether McCone or Helms ever shared with the Commission the NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film. What the record does show is that the FBI and CIA colluded in the fabrication of a story that the CIA never received a copy of the Zapruder film..until Dec.1964..after the Commission disbanded Hoover told Rankin that in Dec. 64 the CIA requested a copy of the film for training purposes..pages 151-152.. ( Hoover to Rankin Dec4/64..Copy of letter appears in Wiesberg's , "Photographic Whitewash." page 143..) *****"" In my ( McKnight’s) conversation with Brugioni , he was absolutely clear that it was over the week-end following the assassination that McCone requested that NPIC submit the Zapruder film to analysis. Brugioni still recalls his shock when he witnessed the Fatal Shot That took off the right side of the President’s Head”. (Notes: page 407) The work of compiling the medical evidence record of the President's autopsy did not require neither the co-operation of the FBI nor the CIA....so in this area of the investigation the Commissions efforts were not impeded nor distorted..by any investigative dishonesties and or cover-ups perpetrated upon such by the agencies..The WC condoned the sanctioned perjury ,connived, at the destruction of the best evidence ,boycotted key witnesses ,and deliberately and knowingly suppressed materials, medical records and legal documents. The massive corruption of the autopsy records was undertaken with one purpose : To ensure that the Medical evidence in the President's assassination was consistent with the Official Government's version of a Lone Assassin.. "The Overwhelming weight of the evidence supports the view that President Kennedy's official autopsy report was Deliberately Falsified to suppress the fact that he was a victim of a conspiracy." "It is a joyless irony that the autopsy of Kennedy's alleged assassin Lee Harvey Oswald ,performed by the Dallas County medical examiner ,Dr..Rose ,was worthy of a President. By comparison. President Kennedy received an autopsy unworthy of even the most unfortunate and unlamented derelict.." page: 153...(For critics and information of the President's autopsy see..... Henry Hurt aptly described JFK's autopsy as "the autopsy of the century" .See Hurt " Reasonable Doubt "..Sylvia Meagher ,"Accessories After The Fact." ..reprint 1992.. David Lifton " Best Evidence" 1981..Harold Weisberg " Post Mortum"..1975..Weisberg's powerful work still remains the most forcefully argued critique of the official autopsy..The official defenders of the President's autopsy whom usually argue that whereas the autopsy had starling deficiencies, it still arrived at the correct and valid conclusions ..such as Gerald Posner.."Case Closed"..1993..David Wobbling "November 22,1963:You are the Jury." 1973..David Belin’s, Wobbling "Final Disclosure"..1988..Denis L.Breo."JFK's Death"..parts 1-3..Journal of the American Medical Association 267 ,no.20 & 268.no.13...and John K. Latimer "Kennedy and Lincoln..Medical and Ballistics Comparisons of Their Assassinations..1980..notes p:407.. "Anticipating the FBI ,the CIA's NPIC ran it's own analysis of the Zaprduer film over the week-end following the assassinations. Like their FBI counterparts , the NPIC interpreteurs established that the first shot came before Oswald could have a clear view of the presidential limo and that there were at least two shooters". p.355 and chapter 6.. "Breach of Trust" ************************ Pat: Burkley's placement of the back wound at the third thoracic level was not confirmed by the Parkland witnesses, as none of the Parkland witnesses, save a nurse many years later, made any statements indicating they even knew of this wound's existence. While Burkley may have simply said third thoracic based upon his own observation, the possibility he saw the face sheet at the autopsy, which places the wound in that area, seems m ore likely. As Burkley spent most of his time with the family, it seems likely he only took a passing glance at Kennedy, and deferred to the face sheet. There is certainly no report of Burkley making a close inspection of the body. When you look at the face sheet it is clear the drawing is inaccurate in the shoulder area. A mark in line with the shoulder is way too far from the head, and a mark the correct distance from the head is way too far above the shoulder. On the night of the autopsy I believe Boswell placed the wound--which was around T-1 T-2, in line with the shoulder. Later, when it became a huge issue, he placed the wound in relation to the head, effecvtively moving the wound onto the neck. A wound at T-1, as acknowledged by the HSCA, is still too low to be in line with a trajectory from the sniper's nest to the throat. As a result I feel the T-3 T-1 dispute is a non-issue. What remains an issue is whether the doctors deliberately lied to Rydberg when he created his drawings depicting the back wound 2 inches higher than T-1. Bernice :Correction....*****It should read Rear Head Wound"****** will correct and add in Head".... B: "Why------was John F .Kennedy’s death certificate---signed by Dr. G. Burkley treated as such... The death certificate sheet headed by the words “summary of the facts related to death “-----Places the President Kennedy’s non-fatal back wound “ in the posterior back at about the level of the Third thoracic vertebrae …Recall that Dr.Burkley wrote the death certificate a day before he had received the Bethesda autopsy report..along with the six copies, before the assassination accounting was manipulated and settled upon….Burkley’s positioning of the Rear Head Wound in the Death Certificate was and is consistent with the Parkland Doctors and Nurses reports of said wounds, along with the Dallas Inquest Report signed on Nov.22/63…the press meeting announcement at Parkland as well as the 15 Doctors,3 Surgery Traumatic Nurses ,Television, radio newspaper reports, eye witnesses ,SS agents, FBI observers and Jacqueline Kennedy". ..The document that was treated like the “plague” to the Commission’s already predetermined conclusions…”one it treated like a poisonous snake”.. ------was John F .Kennedy’s death certificate---signed by Dr. G. Burkley The death certificate sheet headed by the words “summary of the facts related to death “-----Places the President Kennedy’s non-fatal back wound “ in the posterior back at about the level of the Third thoracic vertebrae …Recall that Dr.Burkley wrote the death certificate a day before he had received the Bethesda autopsy report..along with the six copies , before the assassination accounting was manipulated and settled upon….(notes..page 415..For Burkley’s Nov.24/63 ,receipt of the official autopsy report ,see ARRB Master Set of Medical Records.). Burkley’s positioning of the Rear Wound in the Death Certificate was and is consistent with the Parkland Doctors and Nurses reports of said wounds, along with the Dallas Inquest Report signed on Nov.22/63…the press meeting announcement at Parkland as well as the 15 Doctors,3 Surgery Traumatic Nurses ,Television, radio newspaper reports, eye witnesses ,SS agents, FBI observers and Jacqueline Kennedy,, It is not however CONSISTENT with, nor seen in the ZAPRUDER FILM….film, nor the individual frames from such…. The Dallas Inquest Report…and Burkley’s positioning of the rear head wound that was “signed on Nov. 22/63..at 1pm..states, by Theran Ward justice of the peace ,Precinct Nov.2, Dallas County… Under the heading “Findings of the Justice” ,it reports the cause of death as “ two gunshot wounds..” one of which was “near the center of the body and just above the right shoulder .”” Ward’s information comes from Dr .Malcolm Perry, This document also destroys the information that the body was not turned over and was therefore they were unaware of JFK’s back wound.. and that the Parkland emergency team never checked such.. Harold Wiesberg also in a interview with” Dr. Charles Carrico of Parkland ,who reported that he ran his hands down the sides of Kennedy’s body to determine whether there was a large wound in the back . Carrico noted that this was standard operational procedure in all gunshot cases..” (Notes :page 415.”.It should be noted that there are Two Dallas JFK death certificates . The one signed by Theran Ward on November 22/63, it placed the non fatal rear wound “just above the right shoulder “ as sited in the text..A second death certificate signed by Ward on December 6/63..reported that the immediate cause of death was “ multiple gun shots wounds to the head and the neck”….Since the later was issued after the official autopsy report was released the author Gerald McKnight regards this repositioning of the none fatal posterior wound with great suspicion .For copies of these Dallas County death certificates ,see ARRB ,Master Set of Medical Exhibits ,MD 42 and MD 43 ..The HSCA forensic panel chose to site the second Dec.6/63 version od the death certificate in its critique of the official autopsy report because that version was compatible with it’s findings that the report , while sullied by gross errors and deficiencies,had arrived at “correct and valid conclusions”. See HSCA .Mar.79 vol.7,189..see Weisberg interview with Dr. Charles Carrico, Dec. 1/77,Southwestern Medical School ,Univ. Texas ,Harold Weisberg’s autopsy file ,Weisberg archive..”.. John F. Kennedy’s death certificate affected greatly, the Warren Commission’s Weekend conclusions that a lone assassin had shot and killed the President, from the TSBD…so they therefore ignored and suppressed the report on his wounds.The Death Certificate does not appear in the Report, now the 26 Volumes of Hearings and Exhibits….Ignoring it appears that is was his Assassination after all that generated the 914 page investigative report displayed with almost seven thousand footnotes and a “bodyguard” of 26 stout volumes of more than 10 Million Words… A two page death certificate threatened to bring down this astounding, regarded as a respectful officially “sanctioned truths and conclusions is a scenario worthy of George Orwell”.. Pages…6-7-167-8-177-8-9- BOT..McKnight.. ********************************************** B... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pat: He changed the back wound from "back" to "back of the neck" and the report ended up saying "base of the back of the neck." This was probably an innocent mistake in that Ford was not the sharpest tack in the box and was almost undoubtedly basing his impression of the wound on the Rydberg drawings, which depicted the wound at the base of the neck.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One can no more "change" the physical existence of a wound, than they can change the physical existence of other known forms of matter. One can however, in writing, make changes which not unlike much of the WC, tell a truth, yet only confuse. And, since JFK had a "back" wound which was in the vicinity of the C-7/T-1 vertebrae, and he also had a neck wound which was located just in the edge of the hairline, then Ford actually "changed" nothing. Of course it has certainly confused a lot of those who have no full understanding of the bullet wounds incurred by JFK. Might I recommend that one read up on the hairline entry point which struck at the base of the neck and thereafter "tunnelled" upwards* and slanting slightly to the left. P.S. * "upwards" is a relative position and applies only when the head/neck is in the normal vertical position. P.P.S. I do frequently enjoy observing those of the Multiple Assassin/CT persuasion, chase their own tail. Tom P.P.P.S. Check the tangential bullet entrance hole through the coat of JFK which is located immediately below the point where the collar turn-down is located, and thereafter compare this with the neck/base of neck/edge of hairline entrance wound in the neck of JFK. 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Mark Stapleton Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 (edited) It just seems strange to me that all Naval personnel were given an order "not to talk" about the events that went on that fateful day of Nov 22 1963.Did something sinister happen that our Government officials or Military leaders don`t want "We The People" to know about? I think I can help you with this one, Mike. The answer is, yes, something sinister most assuredly did occur that fateful day. Your Govt., military officials and your media conspired to murder the President and/or conspired to coverup that murder. Their loyalty to the killers outweighed their loyalty to the President and to that nebulous concept of justice. It's true. Just answer 'because it was a conspiracy' to all the questions posed to far and you'll see. The argument supporting the WC requires suspension of disbelief barely possible for objective observers. The lone nut theory has become so fragile and brittle that none of its major supporters, like Gerald Posner, will ever show their faces on a thread like this. Even the fringe dwellers who argue so forcefully that photographs and films of DP were not altered have taken a hike. p.s. looks like I spoke too soon. Tom's here. Bonus points if you can figure out what the hell he's talking about. Edited October 16, 2006 by Mark Stapleton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stapleton Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Top Post B., In your travels through this evidence morass, have you run across a date [month,day,year] when the NPIC first evaluated the Zapruder Film? Thanks -- DHealy Pat Speer' wrote: A couple of corrections to Bernice's list... Ford was a congressman in 1963. He never was a Senator. B: Correction, Pat, he was a Congressman... ************************** Pat: He changed the back wound from "back" to "back of the neck" and the report ended up saying "base of the back of the neck." This was probably an innocent mistake in that Ford was not the sharpest tack in the box and was almost undoubtedly basing his impression of the wound on the Rydberg drawings, which depicted the wound at the base of the neck. Bernice : Not innocent IMO....."In editing the initial draft of the Warren Report , Ford moved the the wound In Kennedy's back from a "point slightly below the shoulder to the right of the spine " to " the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine" . Ford's revision brought the posterior wound in line wiht the Commission's no-conspiracy conclusion, repositioning it to make it consistant with what came to be called " the single bullet theory"..Ford's editing of the Warren Com Report draft dated 6/26/64 ,can be found in the Rankin Papers ,box 26, folder 385 ,NARA. Pat: The real question is why Arlen Specter, who'd seen the back wound on an autopsy photo and knew the Rydberg drawings were incorrect, never tried to have the drawings corrected and said nothing to the commission. And I have an answer to that question: he was an ambitious spineless coward. The head wound wasn't moved till 1968. Bernice : "During Specter's and the commission's "March 16th questioning , Humes repeatedly referred to these drawings ( Ryberg's because they were denied access to the autopsy pictures and X-rays .According to Hume's testimony , the drawings depicted the trajectory of the nonfatal bullet ( CE 399) entering Kennedy's lower neck at a downward angle and exiting his throat in the region of the Adam's Apple.) when describing JFK's neck wounds . When McCloy asked the navy Doctor if the bullet trajectory took " roughly the line which is shown on your Exhibit 385", Hume's succinct response was "Yes, Sir". Even to the medically or forensically untrained eye it is patently obvious that the depciations of JFK's nonfatal wounds presumably produced by bullet CE 399 in photograph Number 12 and CE 385 and CE 386 are hopelessly irreconcilable .There is no way that these separate representations can coexist in the Commission's own permanent record without inviting skepticism of the deepest die. Commissioner Gerald Ford spotted this "eccentricity" in the report's third draft where it asserted , "A bullet entered his back at a point slightly above the shoulder to the right of the spine."..Ford edited the sentence to read, " A bullet entered the back of his neck slightly to the right pf the spine." With just a few facile changes, Ford and the Reediting Committee were satisfied that photograph Number 12, based on Specter's prized autopsy picture ,and Hume's much-exploited drawing's ...stand ins for the best evidence ....were now compatible ans would travel well together. Ford's editing of the Warren Com Report draft dated 6/26/64 ,can be found in the Rankin Papers ,box 26, folder 385 ,NARA ************************************ Pat:The NPIC study was done for the Secret Service. dgh: Pat, do you have a cite re: the NPIC study was done for the Secret Service, [specifically? Or, are you assuming that conclusion from Doug Hornes interview with NPIC employees[/b]. Thanks -- David Healy .. Bernice : "Zapruder Film re NPIC ...also the following from "Breach of Trust.".for information.. "Several days after the assassination the CIA received, from the Secret Service a copy of the Zapruder film. In return for a copy of the film the SS received an analysis of the film from the agency's National Photographic Intelligence Center (NPIC) in Washington. It had the reputation as being the finest photo-interpretation center in the world. The center's interpretation had come to the conclusions, that (1) the first shot had not come from the TSBD.."Sniper’s nest "..And (2) that there had been at LEAST two gunmen in Dealey Plaza shooting at the limo...But the results were supressed..page 6.. The three cartridges found in the TSBD on the 6th floor, corresponded with the time frame dictated within the Zapruder Film...which allows for only three shots from the MC rifle..It took at best a little more than two seconds just to cycle the rifle ,with no leeway factored in for the shooter to keep the scope fixed on the moving target. The manual that accompanied the model determined that all the shooting had occurred within a span of 6.4 to 8.0 seconds. But seeing and having to acknowledge the shot that had hit the curb on the South side of Main St. and wounding, on the cheek, bystander JamesT.Tague..a fourth shot could only be explained by a second gunman, but this was politically unacceptable... ( FBI Manual, Rankin Papers, " Investigation and Evidence"..RG 12, box 8, folder 7.Nara, 14-15.) The FBI chose to ignore the Tague shot, and the wound in the front of JFK's throat...page 99-100 The CIA uncovered critical evidence in the assassination before the government's official version was agreed upon..and before President Johnson appointed the WC..after the SS turned over a copy of the Zapruder film to the CIA, and the NPIC had completed it's analysis ,it had been discovered that the first shot, according to the film, had come Before Zapruder frame 210.....and a second shot at frame # 242, just 1.6 seconds after the first shot. All the WC experts agreed that even the most experienced and skilled gunman would require at least 2.4 seconds..the 1.6 second shot interlude meant there had to be more than one shooter.. Page: 151. (.McKnight’s telephone interview , May 2,2003...with Dino A.Brugioni, the center’s chief analysis who was in charged of the NPICs interpretation of the Zapruder film..( Conclusion that follows are McKnights..not attributed to Brugioni, "When Brugioni turned over to McCone, or Helms the four-photo briefing boards with accompanying memoranda or explanations interpreting the calculations in the document, he had no knowledge of the "Official Truth"..of JFK's assassination that had been decided upon over the weekend..( notes page 406) See also..Philip Melanson, "Hidden Exposure: Cover Up & Intrigue in the CIA's Secret Possession of the Zapruder Film"..The The Third Decade no.1 ( November 84).9. Melanson makes a strong circumstantial case the NPIC received a copy of the Zapruder Film the day after the assassination"... Also see CIA document 1641-450 for NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film..of JFK's assassination These results were pried loose from the CIA by a FOIA request in 82 by Harold Weisberg ..or see Wiesberg's "Photographic Whitewash --Suppressed Kennedy Assassination Pictures"..1967..available at Hood College..pages: 302-303.) The Warren Report held that the first shot could not have been fired before Z..210..Therefore the analysis and results of the FBI and CIA, of the Zapruder film were ignored.... The FBI and Rankin and staff suppressed the findings of the Bureau's photo interpretation of Zapruder's film. It is not certain whether McCone or Helms ever shared with the Commission the NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film. What the record does show is that the FBI and CIA colluded in the fabrication of a story that the CIA never received a copy of the Zapruder film..until Dec.1964..after the Commission disbanded Hoover told Rankin that in Dec. 64 the CIA requested a copy of the film for training purposes"..pages 151-152.. ( Hoover to Rankin Dec4/64..Copy of letter appears in Wiesberg's , "Photographic Whitewash." page 143..) The three cartridges found in the TSBD on the 6th floor, corresponded with the time frame dictated within the Zapruder Film...which allows for only three shots from the MC rifle..It took at best a little more than two seconds just to cycle the rifle ,with no leeway factored in for the shooter to keep the scope fixed on the moving target. The manual that accompanied the model determined that all the shooting had occurred within a span of 6.4 to 8.0 seconds. But seeing and having to acknowledge the shot that had hit the curb on the South side of Main St. and wounding, on the cheek, bystander JamesT.Tague..a fourth shot could only be explained by a second gunman, but this was politically unacceptable... ( FBI Manual, Rankin Papers, " Investigation and Evidence"..RG 12, box 8, folder 7.Nara, 14-15.) The FBI chose to ignore the Tague shot, and the wound in the front of JFK's throat...page 99-100 The CIA uncovered critical evidence in the assassination before the government's official version was agreed upon..and before President Johnson appointed the WC..after the SS turned over a copy of the Zapruder film to the CIA, and the NPIC had completed it's analysis ,it had been discovered that the first shot, according to the film, had come Before Zapruder frame 210.....and a second shot at frame # 242, just 1.6 seconds after the first shot. All the WC experts agreed that even the most experienced and skilled gunman would require at least 2.4 seconds..the 1.6 second shot interlude meant there had to be more than one shooter.. Page: 151. (.McKnight’s telephone interview , May 2,2003...with Dino A.Brugioni, the center’s chief analysis who was in charged of the NPICs interpretation of the Zapruder film..( Conclusion that follows are McKnights..not attributed to Brugioni, "When Brugioni turned over to McCone, or Helms the four-photo briefing boards with accompanying memoranda or explanations interpreting the calculations in the document, he had no knowledge of the "Official Truth"..of JFK's assassination that had been decided upon over the weekend..( notes page 406) See also..Philip Melanson, "Hidden Exposure: Cover Up & Intrigue in the CIA's Secret Possession of the Zapruder Film"..The The Third Decade no.1 ( November 84).9. Melanson makes a strong circumstantial case the NPIC received a copy of the Zapruder Film the day after the assassination"... Also see CIA document 1641-450 for NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film..of JFK's assassination These results were pried loose from the CIA by a FOIA request in 82 by Harold Weisberg ..or see Wiesberg's "Photographic Whitewash --Suppressed Kennedy Assassination Pictures"..1967..available at Hood College..pages: 302-303.) The Warren Report held that the first shot could not have been fired before Z..210..Therefore the analysis and results of the FBI and CIA, of the Zapruder film were ignored.... The FBI and Rankin and staff suppressed the findings of the Bureau's photo interpretation of Zapruder's film. It is not certain whether McCone or Helms ever shared with the Commission the NPIC's analysis of the Zapruder film. What the record does show is that the FBI and CIA colluded in the fabrication of a story that the CIA never received a copy of the Zapruder film..until Dec.1964..after the Commission disbanded Hoover told Rankin that in Dec. 64 the CIA requested a copy of the film for training purposes..pages 151-152.. ( Hoover to Rankin Dec4/64..Copy of letter appears in Wiesberg's , "Photographic Whitewash." page 143..) *****"" In my ( McKnight’s) conversation with Brugioni , he was absolutely clear that it was over the week-end following the assassination that McCone requested that NPIC submit the Zapruder film to analysis. Brugioni still recalls his shock when he witnessed the Fatal Shot That took off the right side of the President’s Head”. (Notes: page 407) The work of compiling the medical evidence record of the President's autopsy did not require neither the co-operation of the FBI nor the CIA....so in this area of the investigation the Commissions efforts were not impeded nor distorted..by any investigative dishonesties and or cover-ups perpetrated upon such by the agencies..The WC condoned the sanctioned perjury ,connived, at the destruction of the best evidence ,boycotted key witnesses ,and deliberately and knowingly suppressed materials, medical records and legal documents. The massive corruption of the autopsy records was undertaken with one purpose : To ensure that the Medical evidence in the President's assassination was consistent with the Official Government's version of a Lone Assassin.. "The Overwhelming weight of the evidence supports the view that President Kennedy's official autopsy report was Deliberately Falsified to suppress the fact that he was a victim of a conspiracy." "It is a joyless irony that the autopsy of Kennedy's alleged assassin Lee Harvey Oswald ,performed by the Dallas County medical examiner ,Dr..Rose ,was worthy of a President. By comparison. President Kennedy received an autopsy unworthy of even the most unfortunate and unlamented derelict.." page: 153...(For critics and information of the President's autopsy see..... Henry Hurt aptly described JFK's autopsy as "the autopsy of the century" .See Hurt " Reasonable Doubt "..Sylvia Meagher ,"Accessories After The Fact." ..reprint 1992.. David Lifton " Best Evidence" 1981..Harold Weisberg " Post Mortum"..1975..Weisberg's powerful work still remains the most forcefully argued critique of the official autopsy..The official defenders of the President's autopsy whom usually argue that whereas the autopsy had starling deficiencies, it still arrived at the correct and valid conclusions ..such as Gerald Posner.."Case Closed"..1993..David Wobbling "November 22,1963:You are the Jury." 1973..David Belin’s, Wobbling "Final Disclosure"..1988..Denis L.Breo."JFK's Death"..parts 1-3..Journal of the American Medical Association 267 ,no.20 & 268.no.13...and John K. Latimer "Kennedy and Lincoln..Medical and Ballistics Comparisons of Their Assassinations..1980..notes p:407.. "Anticipating the FBI ,the CIA's NPIC ran it's own analysis of the Zaprduer film over the week-end following the assassinations. Like their FBI counterparts , the NPIC interpreteurs established that the first shot came before Oswald could have a clear view of the presidential limo and that there were at least two shooters". p.355 and chapter 6.. "Breach of Trust" ************************ Pat: Burkley's placement of the back wound at the third thoracic level was not confirmed by the Parkland witnesses, as none of the Parkland witnesses, save a nurse many years later, made any statements indicating they even knew of this wound's existence. While Burkley may have simply said third thoracic based upon his own observation, the possibility he saw the face sheet at the autopsy, which places the wound in that area, seems m ore likely. As Burkley spent most of his time with the family, it seems likely he only took a passing glance at Kennedy, and deferred to the face sheet. There is certainly no report of Burkley making a close inspection of the body. When you look at the face sheet it is clear the drawing is inaccurate in the shoulder area. A mark in line with the shoulder is way too far from the head, and a mark the correct distance from the head is way too far above the shoulder. On the night of the autopsy I believe Boswell placed the wound--which was around T-1 T-2, in line with the shoulder. Later, when it became a huge issue, he placed the wound in relation to the head, effecvtively moving the wound onto the neck. A wound at T-1, as acknowledged by the HSCA, is still too low to be in line with a trajectory from the sniper's nest to the throat. As a result I feel the T-3 T-1 dispute is a non-issue. What remains an issue is whether the doctors deliberately lied to Rydberg when he created his drawings depicting the back wound 2 inches higher than T-1. Bernice :Correction....*****It should read Rear Head Wound"****** will correct and add in Head".... B: "Why------was John F .Kennedy’s death certificate---signed by Dr. G. Burkley treated as such... The death certificate sheet headed by the words “summary of the facts related to death “-----Places the President Kennedy’s non-fatal back wound “ in the posterior back at about the level of the Third thoracic vertebrae …Recall that Dr.Burkley wrote the death certificate a day before he had received the Bethesda autopsy report..along with the six copies, before the assassination accounting was manipulated and settled upon….Burkley’s positioning of the Rear Head Wound in the Death Certificate was and is consistent with the Parkland Doctors and Nurses reports of said wounds, along with the Dallas Inquest Report signed on Nov.22/63…the press meeting announcement at Parkland as well as the 15 Doctors,3 Surgery Traumatic Nurses ,Television, radio newspaper reports, eye witnesses ,SS agents, FBI observers and Jacqueline Kennedy". ..The document that was treated like the “plague” to the Commission’s already predetermined conclusions…”one it treated like a poisonous snake”.. ------was John F .Kennedy’s death certificate---signed by Dr. G. Burkley The death certificate sheet headed by the words “summary of the facts related to death “-----Places the President Kennedy’s non-fatal back wound “ in the posterior back at about the level of the Third thoracic vertebrae …Recall that Dr.Burkley wrote the death certificate a day before he had received the Bethesda autopsy report..along with the six copies , before the assassination accounting was manipulated and settled upon….(notes..page 415..For Burkley’s Nov.24/63 ,receipt of the official autopsy report ,see ARRB Master Set of Medical Records.). Burkley’s positioning of the Rear Wound in the Death Certificate was and is consistent with the Parkland Doctors and Nurses reports of said wounds, along with the Dallas Inquest Report signed on Nov.22/63…the press meeting announcement at Parkland as well as the 15 Doctors,3 Surgery Traumatic Nurses ,Television, radio newspaper reports, eye witnesses ,SS agents, FBI observers and Jacqueline Kennedy,, It is not however CONSISTENT with, nor seen in the ZAPRUDER FILM….film, nor the individual frames from such…. The Dallas Inquest Report…and Burkley’s positioning of the rear head wound that was “signed on Nov. 22/63..at 1pm..states, by Theran Ward justice of the peace ,Precinct Nov.2, Dallas County… Under the heading “Findings of the Justice” ,it reports the cause of death as “ two gunshot wounds..” one of which was “near the center of the body and just above the right shoulder .”” Ward’s information comes from Dr .Malcolm Perry, This document also destroys the information that the body was not turned over and was therefore they were unaware of JFK’s back wound.. and that the Parkland emergency team never checked such.. Harold Wiesberg also in a interview with” Dr. Charles Carrico of Parkland ,who reported that he ran his hands down the sides of Kennedy’s body to determine whether there was a large wound in the back . Carrico noted that this was standard operational procedure in all gunshot cases..” (Notes :page 415.”.It should be noted that there are Two Dallas JFK death certificates . The one signed by Theran Ward on November 22/63, it placed the non fatal rear wound “just above the right shoulder “ as sited in the text..A second death certificate signed by Ward on December 6/63..reported that the immediate cause of death was “ multiple gun shots wounds to the head and the neck”….Since the later was issued after the official autopsy report was released the author Gerald McKnight regards this repositioning of the none fatal posterior wound with great suspicion .For copies of these Dallas County death certificates ,see ARRB ,Master Set of Medical Exhibits ,MD 42 and MD 43 ..The HSCA forensic panel chose to site the second Dec.6/63 version od the death certificate in its critique of the official autopsy report because that version was compatible with it’s findings that the report , while sullied by gross errors and deficiencies,had arrived at “correct and valid conclusions”. See HSCA .Mar.79 vol.7,189..see Weisberg interview with Dr. Charles Carrico, Dec. 1/77,Southwestern Medical School ,Univ. Texas ,Harold Weisberg’s autopsy file ,Weisberg archive..”.. John F. Kennedy’s death certificate affected greatly, the Warren Commission’s Weekend conclusions that a lone assassin had shot and killed the President, from the TSBD…so they therefore ignored and suppressed the report on his wounds.The Death Certificate does not appear in the Report, now the 26 Volumes of Hearings and Exhibits….Ignoring it appears that is was his Assassination after all that generated the 914 page investigative report displayed with almost seven thousand footnotes and a “bodyguard” of 26 stout volumes of more than 10 Million Words… A two page death certificate threatened to bring down this astounding, regarded as a respectful officially “sanctioned truths and conclusions is a scenario worthy of George Orwell”.. Pages…6-7-167-8-177-8-9- BOT..McKnight.. ********************************************** B... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pat: He changed the back wound from "back" to "back of the neck" and the report ended up saying "base of the back of the neck." This was probably an innocent mistake in that Ford was not the sharpest tack in the box and was almost undoubtedly basing his impression of the wound on the Rydberg drawings, which depicted the wound at the base of the neck.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One can no more "change" the physical existence of a wound, than they can change the physical existence of other known forms of matter. One can however, in writing, make changes which not unlike much of the WC, tell a truth, yet only confuse. And, since JFK had a "back" wound which was in the vicinity of the C-7/T-1 vertebrae, and he also had a neck wound which was located just in the edge of the hairline, then Ford actually "changed" nothing. Of course it has certainly confused a lot of those who have no full understanding of the bullet wounds incurred by JFK. Might I recommend that one read up on the hairline entry point which struck at the base of the neck and thereafter "tunnelled" upwards* and slanting slightly to the left. P.S. * "upwards" is a relative position and applies only when the head/neck is in the normal vertical position. P.P.S. I do frequently enjoy observing those of the Multiple Assassin/CT persuasion, chase their own tail. Glad you're having fun, Tom, but I get tired reading your long and repetitious posts which lead to an aimless journey into confusion. Do you want to have a crack at any of the non bullet wound questions? There's about 56 so far by my counting. Tom P.P.P.S. Check the tangential bullet entrance hole through the coat of JFK which is located immediately below the point where the collar turn-down is located, and thereafter compare this with the neck/base of neck/edge of hairline entrance wound in the neck of JFK. Just might learn something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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