John Dolva Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 (edited) "he is worried "bad things" radical concerned things ... very bad. "Certain undemocratic things... things that we think is really important," wanted to attract researchers a new science newer more exciting even better The project will examine how we access this information and assess its reliability. sounds like Sir Tim would get excited over new ways of controlling these bad things he so worries about? I wonder what they really are, these certain very bad things? Edited November 2, 2006 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 "he is worried"bad things" radical concerned things ... very bad. "Certain undemocratic things... things that we think is really important," wanted to attract researchers a new science newer more exciting even better The project will examine how we access this information and assess its reliability. sounds like Sir Tim would get excited over new ways of controlling these bad things he so worries about? I wonder what they really are, these certain very bad things? John...THIS FORUM is an example of the BAD THINGS the establishment wants to control or shut down. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 "he is worried"bad things" radical concerned things ... very bad. "Certain undemocratic things... things that we think is really important," wanted to attract researchers a new science newer more exciting even better The project will examine how we access this information and assess its reliability. sounds like Sir Tim would get excited over new ways of controlling these bad things he so worries about? I wonder what they really are, these certain very bad things? You can get that information right from the man himself John. Sir Tim has a website and blog that he keeps very current. Net neutrality is an issue he's quite concerned about, and he explains why he's concerned: http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/blog/4, "Net Neutrality: This is serious." An excerpt: "...There have been suggestions that we don't need legislation because we haven't had it. These are nonsense, because in fact we have had net neutrality in the past -- it is only recently that real explicit threats have occurred. Control of information is hugely powerful. In the US, the threat is that companies control what I can access for commercial reasons. (In China, control is by the government for political reasons.) There is a very strong short-term incentive for a company to grab control of TV distribution over the Internet even though it is against the long-term interests of the industry. Yes, regulation to keep the Internet open is regulation. And mostly, the Internet thrives on lack of regulation. But some basic values have to be preserved. For example, the market system depends on the rule that you can't photocopy money. Democracy depends on freedom of speech. Freedom of connection, with any application, to any party, is the fundamental social basis of the Internet, and, now, the society based on it. Let's see whether the United States is capable as acting according to its important values, or whether it is, as so many people are saying, run by the misguided short-term interested of large corporations. I hope that Congress can protect net neutrality, so I can continue to innovate in the internet space. I want to see the explosion of innovations happening out there on the Web, so diverse and so exciting, continue unabated." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 "he is worried "bad things" radical concerned things ... very bad. "Certain undemocratic things... things that we think is really important," wanted to attract researchers a new science newer more exciting even better The project will examine how we access this information and assess its reliability. sounds like Sir Tim would get excited over new ways of controlling these bad things he so worries about? I wonder what they really are, these certain very bad things? You can get that information right from the man himself John. Sir Tim has a website and blog that he keeps very current. Net neutrality is an issue he's quite concerned about, and he explains why he's concerned: http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/blog/4, "Net Neutrality: This is serious." An excerpt: "...There have been suggestions that we don't need legislation because we haven't had it. These are nonsense, because in fact we have had net neutrality in the past -- it is only recently that real explicit threats have occurred. Control of information is hugely powerful. In the US, the threat is that companies control what I can access for commercial reasons. (In China, control is by the government for political reasons.) There is a very strong short-term incentive for a company to grab control of TV distribution over the Internet even though it is against the long-term interests of the industry. Yes, regulation to keep the Internet open is regulation. And mostly, the Internet thrives on lack of regulation. But some basic values have to be preserved. For example, the market system depends on the rule that you can't photocopy money. Democracy depends on freedom of speech. Freedom of connection, with any application, to any party, is the fundamental social basis of the Internet, and, now, the society based on it. Let's see whether the United States is capable as acting according to its important values, or whether it is, as so many people are saying, run by the misguided short-term interested of large corporations. I hope that Congress can protect net neutrality, so I can continue to innovate in the internet space. I want to see the explosion of innovations happening out there on the Web, so diverse and so exciting, continue unabated." I predict that internet control will come in the guise of prohibiting PORNOGRAPHY. There are daily cases of people being arrested for having porn on their computers AND HAVING VISITED PORN INTERNET SITES. Pornography is the BIGGEST BUSINESS ON THE INTERNET, and growing rapidly. To find out, just google ANY 3, 4 or 5 letter sex word and you will find millions of entries. Most porn sites charge about a dollar a day to members. And porn queens make millions for themselves and their pimpsites. Google PORN and see what you have been missing. After porn comes illegal gambling, and the govt is already moving to control it. After that will come dissidents like us. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Please let me have names of people who should be featured in this section of my website. Here are some possibilities for propaganda and disinformation names: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -George Orwell (for obvious reasons) -Machiavelli (The Prince) -Edward L. Bernays (the father of public relations according to Wiki) -Ivy Ledbetter Lee (founder of modern PR per Wiki) -Joseph Goebbels (Hitler's propaganda minister) -Hermann Goering (Hitler's 2nd in command), Nuremberg trials quotes: "Of course the people don't want war...it's always a simple matter to drag the people along... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -David Atlee Phillips (CIA propaganda specialist) -E. Howard Hunt (Bay of Pigs propaganda honcho) -Frank Church (for investigating Operatio Mockingbird) -Many Operation Mockingbird people: * CBS (William S. Paley) * Chattanooga Times (Charles Bartlett) * Christian Science Monitor (Joseph Harrison) * Copley News Services (James Copley) * Louisville Courier-Journal (Barry Bingham, Sr.) * The Miami News (William C. Baggs, Herb Gold, Hal Hendrix) * Newsweek (Ben Bradlee) * New York Herald Tribune (Stewart Alsop) * New York Times (Arthur Hays Sulzberger) * Time Magazine (Alfred Friendly, Charles Douglas Jackson, Henry Luce) * Washington Post (Walter Pincus) * Washington Star (Jerry O'Leary) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird) *Walter Cronkite (the most trusted man in america) -Jack Valenti (Agency was in charge of the press during the November 1963 visit of President John F. Kennedy and Vice-President Lyndon Johnson to Dallas, Texas. Following the assassination of President Kennedy, Valenti was present in the famous photograph of Lyndon Johnson's swearing in aboard Air Force One. He then became the first "special assistant" to Lyndon Johnson's White House. Valenti was so loyal to Lyndon Johnson, that it was once said of him "If LBJ dropped the H-bomb, Valenti would call it an urban renewal project." Per Wiki, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Valente) -Karl Rove (for obvious reasons) -Hill & Knowlton (PR firm who prepped the US for first Iraq invasion with infamous incubator baby lie) -John McAdams (for obvious reasons) -Ken Rahn (who you mentioned but I don't know) -George Lakoff (expert on "framing") -Everyone at Fox news, including: *Bill O'Reilly (Fox thug) *Joe Scarborough (Fox thug) -Stephen Colbert (the parody O'Reilly) -Rush Limbagh (and other right wing yappers) -Pat Robertson (propaganda cloaked as faith) -Roger Ailes (who you mentioned, Faux "news"--Fairly Unbalanced) -Rupert Murdoch (owner of Fox "news") -David Mamet (co-wrote "Wag the Dog" movie parody of US event management propaganda) -Noam Chomsky (MIT professor, co-author with Noam Chomsky of Manufacturing Consent) -Edward S. Herman (media analyst and co-author with Noam Chomsky of "Manufacturing Consent") -Gerald Posner (no introduction needed) Misc Propaganda events in history: ---------------------------------------- -Radio Free Europe (radio station and CIA tool in Europe) -Radio Liberty (radio station and CIA tool in Russia) -Voice of America (radio station) -Radio Moscow (Russian propaganda) -Animal Farm (CIA secretly commissioned animated film adaptation in the 1950s) -Iraq (whatever flavor of radio free europe media the US has set up there) -Venezuela (the ongoing attacks against the democratically elected leader Hugo Chavez) -Cold war/communist bashing (propaganda on both sides) -Movie "Reefer Madness" (goofy anti-pot movie) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathaniel Heidenheimer Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Also worth investigation on this thread is the CIA's Congress for Cultural Freedom. This group was a pioneer in left-gatekeeping, and employed many of the media strategies that, taken collectively, constitute the main reason that a galvanized and articulate opposition to to the radical right Bush agenda has failed to materialize in the U.S. I agree fully with the stated purpose of this thread. I think any political discussion that is not centered on media and disinformation theory at this stage of the game is a diversionary tactic. This would include the manipulative electoral analysis served up in all of the corporate media right now. The media ARE the elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 (edited) Also worth investigation on this thread is the CIA's Congress for Cultural Freedom. This group was a pioneer in left-gatekeeping, and employed many of the media strategies that, taken collectively, constitute the main reason that a galvanized and articulate opposition to to the radical right Bush agenda has failed to materialize in the U.S. I agree fully with the stated purpose of this thread. I think any political discussion that is not centered on media and disinformation theory at this stage of the game is a diversionary tactic. This would include the manipulative electoral analysis served up in all of the corporate media right now. The media ARE the elections. Wellllll, the media and Diebold ARE the elections. Otherwise I agree with everything you say. (Oh, and ES&S.) Propaganda is certainly my primary area of interest, in general, and in the case of President Kennedy's murder. Especially given that Americans think they have a free press. Good lord. They still think that after decades of propaganda. The bogus "media" has to be exposed in order to change things. Thanks for the info Nathaniel; I hadn't heard of the CCF. On edit: Adding info on CCF. "In December, 2005, the Washington Times published a commentary by Paul Greenberg[2], in which Greenberg praises the propaganda activity of the CCF and equates it with the recent activities of the Bush administration, where government money was used to purchase the services of Iraqi and American journalists and editors, in order to publish stories favorable to the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Greenberg freely admits that the CCF was funded through CIA fronts, and singles out for praise the role of Professor Sidney Hook, who founded the U.S. predecessor to the CCF, Americans for Intellectual Freedom. Greenberg also notes that at the founding conference of the CCF in Berlin, the honorary chairmen included John Dewey, Bertrand Russell, Benedetto Croce, Karl Jaspers and Jacques Maritain." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congress_for_Cultural_Freedom (Not that the Washington moonie Times is the best source, but it's an interesting alleged tie in to the current regime.) "Origins of the Congress for Cultural Freedom, 1949-50 Give me a hundred million dollars and a thousand dedicated people, and I will guarantee to generate such a wave of democratic unrest among the masses--yes, even among the soldiers--of Stalin's own empire, that all his problems for a long period of time to come will be internal. I can find the people. Sidney Hook, 1949" https://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/95unclass/Warner.html Edited November 4, 2006 by Myra Bronstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 Please let me have names of people who should be featured in this section of my website. Here are some possibilities for propaganda and disinformation names: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -George Orwell (for obvious reasons) -Machiavelli (The Prince) -Edward L. Bernays (the father of public relations according to Wiki) -Ivy Ledbetter Lee (founder of modern PR per Wiki) -Joseph Goebbels (Hitler's propaganda minister) -Hermann Goering (Hitler's 2nd in command), Nuremberg trials quotes: "Of course the people don't want war...it's always a simple matter to drag the people along... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -David Atlee Phillips (CIA propaganda specialist) -E. Howard Hunt (Bay of Pigs propaganda honcho) -Frank Church (for investigating Operatio Mockingbird) -Many Operation Mockingbird people: * CBS (William S. Paley) * Chattanooga Times (Charles Bartlett) * Christian Science Monitor (Joseph Harrison) * Copley News Services (James Copley) * Louisville Courier-Journal (Barry Bingham, Sr.) * The Miami News (William C. Baggs, Herb Gold, Hal Hendrix) * Newsweek (Ben Bradlee) * New York Herald Tribune (Stewart Alsop) * New York Times (Arthur Hays Sulzberger) * Time Magazine (Alfred Friendly, Charles Douglas Jackson, Henry Luce) * Washington Post (Walter Pincus) * Washington Star (Jerry O'Leary) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird) *Walter Cronkite (the most trusted man in america) -Jack Valenti (Agency was in charge of the press during the November 1963 visit of President John F. Kennedy and Vice-President Lyndon Johnson to Dallas, Texas. Following the assassination of President Kennedy, Valenti was present in the famous photograph of Lyndon Johnson's swearing in aboard Air Force One. He then became the first "special assistant" to Lyndon Johnson's White House. Valenti was so loyal to Lyndon Johnson, that it was once said of him "If LBJ dropped the H-bomb, Valenti would call it an urban renewal project." Per Wiki, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Valente) -Karl Rove (for obvious reasons) -Hill & Knowlton (PR firm who prepped the US for first Iraq invasion with infamous incubator baby lie) -John McAdams (for obvious reasons) -Ken Rahn (who you mentioned but I don't know) -George Lakoff (expert on "framing") -Everyone at Fox news, including: *Bill O'Reilly (Fox thug) *Joe Scarborough (Fox thug) -Stephen Colbert (the parody O'Reilly) -Rush Limbagh (and other right wing yappers) -Pat Robertson (propaganda cloaked as faith) -Roger Ailes (who you mentioned, Faux "news"--Fairly Unbalanced) -Rupert Murdoch (owner of Fox "news") -David Mamet (co-wrote "Wag the Dog" movie parody of US event management propaganda) -Noam Chomsky (MIT professor, co-author with Noam Chomsky of Manufacturing Consent) -Edward S. Herman (media analyst and co-author with Noam Chomsky of "Manufacturing Consent") -Gerald Posner (no introduction needed) These are done: George Orwell Joseph Goebbels Hermann Goering David Atlee Phillips E. Howard Hunt Frank Church Hal Hendrix William S. Paley Ben Bradlee Stewart Alsop Arthur Hays Sulzberger Henry Luce Walter Cronkite John McAdams Ken Rahn Roger Ailes Gerald Posner These need to be done: Edward L. Bernays Ivy Ledbetter Lee (very important figure) Charles Bartlett Joseph Harrison James Copley Barry Bingham, Sr. William C. Baggs Herb Gold Alfred Friendly Charles Douglas Jackson Walter Pincus Jerry O'Leary Jack Valenti Karl Rove George Lakoff Bill O'Reilly Joe Scarborough Stephen Colbert Rush Limbagh Pat Robertson Roger Ailes Rupert Murdoch David Mamet Noam Chomsky Edward S. Herman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Please let me have names of people who should be featured in this section of my website. Here are some possibilities for propaganda and disinformation names: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -George Orwell (for obvious reasons) -Machiavelli (The Prince) -Edward L. Bernays (the father of public relations according to Wiki) -Ivy Ledbetter Lee (founder of modern PR per Wiki) -Joseph Goebbels (Hitler's propaganda minister) -Hermann Goering (Hitler's 2nd in command), Nuremberg trials quotes: "Of course the people don't want war...it's always a simple matter to drag the people along... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -David Atlee Phillips (CIA propaganda specialist) -E. Howard Hunt (Bay of Pigs propaganda honcho) -Frank Church (for investigating Operatio Mockingbird) -Many Operation Mockingbird people: * CBS (William S. Paley) * Chattanooga Times (Charles Bartlett) * Christian Science Monitor (Joseph Harrison) * Copley News Services (James Copley) * Louisville Courier-Journal (Barry Bingham, Sr.) * The Miami News (William C. Baggs, Herb Gold, Hal Hendrix) * Newsweek (Ben Bradlee) * New York Herald Tribune (Stewart Alsop) * New York Times (Arthur Hays Sulzberger) * Time Magazine (Alfred Friendly, Charles Douglas Jackson, Henry Luce) * Washington Post (Walter Pincus) * Washington Star (Jerry O'Leary) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird) *Walter Cronkite (the most trusted man in america) -Jack Valenti (Agency was in charge of the press during the November 1963 visit of President John F. Kennedy and Vice-President Lyndon Johnson to Dallas, Texas. Following the assassination of President Kennedy, Valenti was present in the famous photograph of Lyndon Johnson's swearing in aboard Air Force One. He then became the first "special assistant" to Lyndon Johnson's White House. Valenti was so loyal to Lyndon Johnson, that it was once said of him "If LBJ dropped the H-bomb, Valenti would call it an urban renewal project." Per Wiki, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Valente) -Karl Rove (for obvious reasons) -Hill & Knowlton (PR firm who prepped the US for first Iraq invasion with infamous incubator baby lie) -John McAdams (for obvious reasons) -Ken Rahn (who you mentioned but I don't know) -George Lakoff (expert on "framing") -Everyone at Fox news, including: *Bill O'Reilly (Fox thug) *Joe Scarborough (Fox thug) -Stephen Colbert (the parody O'Reilly) -Rush Limbagh (and other right wing yappers) -Pat Robertson (propaganda cloaked as faith) -Roger Ailes (who you mentioned, Faux "news"--Fairly Unbalanced) -Rupert Murdoch (owner of Fox "news") -David Mamet (co-wrote "Wag the Dog" movie parody of US event management propaganda) -Noam Chomsky (MIT professor, co-author with Noam Chomsky of Manufacturing Consent) -Edward S. Herman (media analyst and co-author with Noam Chomsky of "Manufacturing Consent") -Gerald Posner (no introduction needed) These are done: George Orwell Joseph Goebbels Hermann Goering David Atlee Phillips E. Howard Hunt Frank Church Hal Hendrix William S. Paley Ben Bradlee Stewart Alsop Arthur Hays Sulzberger Henry Luce Walter Cronkite John McAdams Ken Rahn Roger Ailes Gerald Posner These need to be done: Edward L. Bernays Ivy Ledbetter Lee (very important figure) Charles Bartlett Joseph Harrison James Copley Barry Bingham, Sr. William C. Baggs Herb Gold Alfred Friendly Charles Douglas Jackson Walter Pincus Jerry O'Leary Jack Valenti Karl Rove George Lakoff Bill O'Reilly Joe Scarborough Stephen Colbert Rush Limbagh Pat Robertson Roger Ailes Rupert Murdoch David Mamet Noam Chomsky Edward S. Herman Wow, where do you find the time John? Is Roger Ailes the only bio that'll be viewable for a while? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 Wow, where do you find the time John?Is Roger Ailes the only bio that'll be viewable for a while? It is my full-time job. I am currently working on Michael Deaver, Ronald Reagan's PR man. Hopefully, it will be ready by Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 I am very interested in discovering the role of Michael K. Deaver in the Iran-Contra scandal and other illegal activities. Deaver resigned from the White House staff in May 1985 under investigation and was convicted of perjury and fined $100,000. Not that you would know this from the many Deaver biographies on the web. See for example the page listed on Google in number one spot: http://www.leadingauthorities.com/3129/Michael_Deaver.htm It is important that we change that. This is information you will not find in Michael K. Deaver's CV. In the early 1970s Deaver began working for Ronald Reagan, when he was governor of California. Deaver co-founded the public relations company, Deaver and Hannaford in 1975. The company "booked Reagan's public appearances, research and sell his radio program, and ghost-write his syndicated column." Peter Dale Scott claims that "all this was arranged with an eye to Reagan's presidential aspirations, which Deaver and Hannaford helped organize from the outset". In 1977 Deaver and Hannaford registered with the Justice Department as foreign agents receiving $5,000 a month from the government of Taiwan. It also received $11,000 a month from a group called Amigos del Pais (Friends of the Country) in Guatemala. The head of Amigos del Pais was Roberto Alejos Arzu. He was the principal organizer of Guatemala's "Reagan for President" organization. Arzu was a CIA asset who in 1960 allowed his plantation to be used to train Cuban exiles for the Bay of Pigs invasion. Peter Dale Scott has argued that Deaver began raising money for Ronald Reagan and his presidential campaign from some of his Guatemalan clients. This included Amigos del Pais. One BBC report estimated that this money amounted to around ten million dollars. Villagran Kramer claimed that several members of this organization were "directly linked with organized terror". Deaver and Hannaford also began to get work from military dictatorships that wanted to improve its image in Washington. According to Jonathan Marshall, Deaver was also connected to Mario Sandoval and John Singlaub of the World Anti-Communist League (WACL). In the book, The Iran-Contra Connection (1987) he wrote: "The activities of Singlaub and Sandoval chiefly involved three WACL countries, Guatemala, Argentina, and Taiwan, that would later emerge as prominent backers of the contras.... these three countries shared one lobbying firm, that of Deaver and Hannaford." In December, 1979, John Singlaub had a meeting with Guatemalan President Lucas Garcia. According to someone who was at this meeting Singlaub told Garcia: "Mr. Reagan recognizes that a good deal of dirty work has to be done". On his return, Singlaub called for "sympathetic understanding of the death squads". Another one of Deaver's clients was Argentina's military junta. A regime that had murdered up to 15,000 of its political opponents. Deaver arranged for Martinez de Hoz, the economy minister, to visit the United States. In one of Reagan's radio broadcasts, he claimed "that in the process of bringing stability to a terrorized nation of 25 million, a small number, were caught in the cross-fire, amongst them a few innocents". Peter Dale Scott argues that funds from military dictatorships "helped pay for the Deaver and Hannaford offices, which became Reagan's initial campaign headquarters in Beverly Hills and his Washington office." This resulted in Reagan developing the catch-phrase: "No more Taiwans, no more Vietnams, no more betrayals." He also argued that if he was elected as president he "would re-establish official relations between the United States Government and Taiwan". What Deaver's clients, Guatemala, Taiwan and Argentina wanted most of all were American armaments. Under President Jimmy Carter, arms sales to Taiwan had been reduced for diplomatic reasons, and had been completely cut off to Guatemala and Argentina because of human rights violations. An article published in Time Magazine (8th September, 1980) claimed that Deaver was playing an important role in Reagan's campaign, whereas people like Campaign Director William Casey were outsiders have "valuable experience but exercise less influence over the candidate." After his election as president, Ronald Reagan, appointed Deaver as Deputy White House Chief of Staff under James Baker III. He took up his post in January 1981. Soon afterwards, Deaver's clients, Taiwan, Guatemala and Argentina, began to receive their payback. On 19th March, 1981, Reagan asked Congress to lift the embargo on arms sales to Argentina. General Roberto Viola, one of the junta members responsible for the death squads, was invited to Washington. In return, the Argentine government agreed to expand its support and training for the Contras. According to John Ranelagh (The Agency: The Rise and Decline of the CIA): "Aid and training were provided to the Contras through the Argentinean defence forces in exchange for other forms of aid from the U.S. to Argentina." Reagan had more difficulty persuading Congress to provide arms to Guatemala. During a 4th May, 1981, session of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, it was announced that the Guatemalan death squads had murdered 76 leaders of the moderate Christian Democratic Party. As Peter Dale Scott pointed out in the Iran-Contra Connection: "When Congress balked at certifying that Guatemala was not violating human rights, the administration acted unilaterally, by simply taking the items Guatemala wanted off the restricted list." Reagan and Deaver also helped Guatemala in other ways. Alejandro Dabat and Luis Lorenzano (Argentina: The Malvinas and the End of Military Rule) pointed out that the Reagan administration arranged for "the training of more than 200 Guatemalan officers in interrogation techniques (torture) and repressive methods". Reagan's first Secretary of State, Alexander Haig, resigned on 25th June, 1982, as a result of the administration's foreign policy. He also complained that his attempts to help Britain in its conflict with Argentina over the Falkland Islands, was being undermined by Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick and some above her in the White House. In his book, Gambling With History: Ronald Reagan in the White House, Laurence I. Barrett argued that this person from the White House was Michael Deaver: "At an NSC session... Haig had observed Kirkpatrick passing Deaver a note. Concluding that Kirkpatrick was using Deaver to prime Reagan... Haig told Clark that a 'conspiracy' was afoot to outflank him." Another of Deaver's clients, Taiwan, benefited from Reagan's support. Although George Bush promised China in August, 1982, that the United States would reduce its weapons sales to Taiwan, the reverse happened. Arms sales to Taiwan in fact increased to $530m in 1983 and $1,085 million in 1984. Deaver officially worked primarily on media management. One of his great successes was the presentation of the Grenada invasion. As Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber pointed out in their book Toxic Sludge is Good For You (1995): "Following their (Michael Deaver and Craig Fuller) advice, Reagan ordered a complete press blackout surrounding the Grenada invasion. By the time reporters were allowed on the scene, soldiers were engaged in "mop-up" actions, and the American public was treated to an antiseptic military victory minus any scenes of killing, destruction or incompetence." Later, it was discovered that of the 18 American servicemen killed during the operation, 14 died in friendly fire or in accidents." As well as Taiwan, Guatemala and Argentina, Deaver also worked closely with South Korea. He arranged for President Chun Doo Hwan to meet Reagan in the White House. It was Deaver's involvement with the Ambassador in Seoul, a member of the World Anti-Communist League (WACL) that eventually led to his demise. Deaver resigned from the White House staff in May 1985 under investigation for corruption. It seems that Deaver had charged the Taiwan government $150,000 for arranging the meeting with Reagan. Deaver was eventually charged with perjury rather than violations of the 1978 Ethics in Government Act and was fined $100,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted November 8, 2006 Author Share Posted November 8, 2006 Deaver narrowly missed being hit during the attack on Reagan. He was walking with Jim Brady, who was hit: It is obviously a coincidence but there are parallels with the JFK assassination. Bush was Reagan’s main competitor for the Republican nomination. Bush received strong support from the CIA. According to Chi Chi Quintero, Bush had weekly strategy meetings with CIA's top officials. Ted Shackley, who was going to be appointed director of the CIA if Bush won, wrote some of his campaign speeches. Reagan was seen as too inexperienced and unreliable (similar to the way the CIA saw JFK). However, Reagan had the charm and with Deaver managing his campaign, and the military dictatorships of Argentina and Guatemala providing the funds, Reagan won the nomination. Bush, like JFK, was then pressurized into taking the CIA candidate as his vice-president. William Casey, another CIA insider, became his presidential campaign manager. Reagan became president but then suffers an assassination attempt. Unlike in the JFK case, Reagan survives. However, he gets the message and Reagan willingly carries out the CIA’s foreign policy and Bush has to wait 8 more years to become president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Deaver narrowly missed being hit during the attack on Reagan. He was walking with Jim Brady, who was hit: It is obviously a coincidence but there are parallels with the JFK assassination. Bush was Reagan’s main competitor for the Republican nomination. Bush received strong support from the CIA. According to Chi Chi Quintero, Bush had weekly strategy meetings with CIA's top officials. Ted Shackley, who was going to be appointed director of the CIA if Bush won, wrote some of his campaign speeches. Reagan was seen as too inexperienced and unreliable (similar to the way the CIA saw JFK). However, Reagan had the charm and with Deaver managing his campaign, and the military dictatorships of Argentina and Guatemala providing the funds, Reagan won the nomination. Bush, like JFK, was then pressurized into taking the CIA candidate as his vice-president. William Casey, another CIA insider, became his presidential campaign manager. Reagan became president but then suffers an assassination attempt. Unlike in the JFK case, Reagan survives. However, he gets the message and Reagan willingly carries out the CIA’s foreign policy and Bush has to wait 8 more years to become president. Exactly right, John!!! If you start a thread on the Reagan shooting, I have stuff to contribute. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Deaver narrowly missed being hit during the attack on Reagan. He was walking with Jim Brady, who was hit: It is obviously a coincidence but there are parallels with the JFK assassination. Bush was Reagan’s main competitor for the Republican nomination. Bush received strong support from the CIA. According to Chi Chi Quintero, Bush had weekly strategy meetings with CIA's top officials. Ted Shackley, who was going to be appointed director of the CIA if Bush won, wrote some of his campaign speeches. Reagan was seen as too inexperienced and unreliable (similar to the way the CIA saw JFK). However, Reagan had the charm and with Deaver managing his campaign, and the military dictatorships of Argentina and Guatemala providing the funds, Reagan won the nomination. Bush, like JFK, was then pressurized into taking the CIA candidate as his vice-president. William Casey, another CIA insider, became his presidential campaign manager. Reagan became president but then suffers an assassination attempt. Unlike in the JFK case, Reagan survives. However, he gets the message and Reagan willingly carries out the CIA’s foreign policy and Bush has to wait 8 more years to become president. I assume you're aware of this Hinkley/Bush connection John: "What is more dangerous for the future of our country than a conspiracy to assassinate a president? It is a conspiracy to manipulate and control what the American people are told by the national news media. There are scores of unanswered questions surrounding the event of the afternoon of March 30, 1981. For instance, John Chancellor, eyebrows raised, informed the viewers of NBC Nightly News that the brother of the man who tried to kill the president was acquainted with the son of the man who would have become president if the attack had been successful. As a matter of fact, Chancellor said in a bewildered tone, Scott Hinckley and Neil Bush had been scheduled to have dinner together at the home of the vice president's son the very next night. And, of course, the engagement had been canceled. . . Then a peculiar thing happened: The story vanished. To this day, it has never been reported in the New York Times, Washington Post or many other metropolitan newspapers, never again mentioned by any of the television news networks, and never noted in news magazines except for a brief mention in Newsweek, which lumped it with two ludicrous conspiracy scenarios as if the Bush-Hinckley connection didn't deserve some sort of explanation." http://www.geocities.com/Northstarzone/HINCKLEY.html Hinkley is considered a possible "Manchurian candidate" MKUltra type programmed assassin. Like Sirhan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen Turner Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Wasn't Hinkley also stalking Jimmy Carter with a gun. I seem to recall he was picked up at an airport Carter was due to land at.. Sorry for the paucity, but I am running on pure memory here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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