Did President Kennedy's last dictation really state Johnson wound't be on ticket?

[Myra Bronstein]

According to many websites President Kennedy's last dictated words to his secretary Evelyn Lincoln were "Johnson will not be on the ticket."

Here's one:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...ficial%26sa%3DG

Does anyone know if there are reliable sources for this assertion?

I haven't found the quote in old Johnson threads here, tho' I may have missed it. There is good discussion on the general subject of Johnson's, er, character, and powerful backers and determination to be king:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...=Johnson+ticket

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...=Johnson+ticket

[Ron Ecker]

Evelyn Lincoln said that JFK told her informally that he was thinking about Governor Terry Sanford for the ticket, but "it will not be Lyndon" (Kennedy and Johnson, p. 205). It was not dictation.

[Myra Bronstein]

Evelyn Lincoln said that JFK told her informally that he was thinking about Governor Terry Sanford for the ticket, but "it will not be Lyndon" (Kennedy and Johnson, p. 205). It was not dictation.

Ok, thank you Ron. Do you know when and where he said that? Was it in Texas?

I frequently read that the President's debate with LBJ about car seating for Connelly and Youngblood was loud and explosive. Does anyone know of a good source for that?

Obviously if it occured and was during the Texas trip then it indicates that Johnson had no concerns about being included on the Kennedy ticket for the next election, also for obvious reasons.

[Ron Ecker]

According to Lincoln, he said it in the White House on November 19, 1963.

[Myra Bronstein]

According to Lincoln, he said it in the White House on November 19, 1963.

Hm, then the President was likely thinking that he had to go to Tx to garner support what with Texan Johnson being booted from the '64 ticket.

Thanks again Ron.

[John Simkin]

Does anyone know if there are reliable sources for this assertion?

You will find the sources on Evelyn Lincoln comments here:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKlincoln.htm

You will also find this:

Evelyn Lincoln, letter to Richard Duncan, a teacher at Northside Middle School in Roanoke (7th October, 1994) "As for (sic) the assassination is concerned it is my belief that there was a conspiracy because there were those that disliked him and felt the only way to get rid of him was to assassinate him. These five conspirators, in my opinion, were Lyndon B. Johnson, J. Edgar Hoover, the Mafia, the CIA, and the Cubans in Florida."

For a debate on Lincoln see the following:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2872

Another interesting aspect to this story is her husband's relationship with Torbet MacDonald.