Peter Dale Scott at COPA

[William Kelly]

This was explained to me one night in DC at the all-night bookstore cafe at Dupont Circle where Judge is treated as a celebrity because of his appearance on the Ali G show.

Not having seen the show - I don't know what to make of the guy, and don't know if he's a ct, but he seems to have a young, generation x cult following. I guess we can put Ali G in the Paul Krasner-Richard Belzner-Dick Gregory funny bone category.

Ali G (Alistair Leslie Graham) is from the UK. He had a very popular TV show in the UK that ridiculed politicians and show business celebrities. It was very subversive. Of course, once his identity was exposed, no one would appear on his show. Therefore he went to work in the US.

For more information on Ali G see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_G

Thanks John,

I noticed that Ali G/ BORAT film made Doonsbury Cartoon earlier this week.

I asked John Judge more about it and he said that, despite being a big movie buff, he doesn't appreciate Ali G's type of humor and will not see the movie.

We were organizing a COPA fund raising benefit, so I suggested a COPA CABANA, with a Cuban theme, "Lola," and a host of stand up comix - like Dick Gregory, Mort Saul, Krasner et al., and maybe some Sinatra and Rat Pack impersonators. Ali G would fit in there.

As for Peter Dale Scott's COPA Talk, I am working on a transcription and should have it soon.

BK

BK

sounds like a show for out here, Bill!

David

Hi David,

Yes, Vegas would be the place, especially if we can get the two Elvis impersonators from Dealey Plaza.

There's a movie, I think it's called Bubba Codex about an Elvis impersonator who falls off stage, goes into a coma and comes out believing he really is Elvis, who strikes up a friendship at the clinic with a guy who thinks he's JFK, except he's black. It's a real black comedy.

And if we do a show David, where ever it's at, you're the stage director, if you can handle it.

To keep this thread on topic, I'm still working on the transcript of PDS's Dallas talk, and will post it as soon as it's done and he approves.

BK

[William Kelly]

PDS – COPA – DALLAS – November 18 , 2006.

Peter Dale Scott at Dallas COPA.

57 min 8 sec – From 911blogger.com

[Transcript by Bill Kelly - BK bkjfk3@yahoo.com]

Thank you very much. I have to use my glasses. I apologize.

Once again, the title of my talk is JFK & 9/11 – Insights Gained from Studying Both.

And I have to say that when I first imagined doing this talk I thought well I probably know more at this stage about 9/11 than most people here who are professionally concerned with JFK, but in doing this talk, which I only began last Monday, has been a real learning experience for myself. Taking a lot of things which I had already knew about each, but I had never really put together before and when I did they gave me a clearer view of what was happening beneath the scenes in both operations, because certain things repeat themselves.

These things that repeat themselves include what we might call external features – which you are very familiar with in the JFK case - the ability of the government to establish a guilty party or parties immediately, and the press and media consumption of that product to the exclusion of all other possibilities.

Eventually, in both cases a commission is set up – the Warren commission in 1963 and the 9/11 Commission this time in 2003.

And the starting point for both commissions is to validate what was already decided by the FBI on the day in question. That is the first of the common features that I would like to look at a bit more closely because it sort of hit me between the eyes when I thought about the two together.

Now if you remember the case of Oswald, and I have to do this from memory here, so correct me if I am wrong about the details, but within minutes of the assassination and

long before Oswald is picked up in the Texas Theater, they put out on the police network and possibly other networks, a description of the killer – five foot ten – 165 pounds, which exactly matches what is in his FBI file, exactly matches what's in CIA documents about him.

One of the problems is it doesn't match the actual height and weight of the man picked up and charged, which is more like five foot 9 and 145 pounds. And it's also very suspect because as far as we can trace the origins of this exact fit with the FBI file, it's

attributed to Howard Brennan – who saw someone two blocks from here in the sixth

floor window, from the waste up. So you'll have to figure out how they were able to get that exact. It's clear they already knew who was going to be charged before they found him in the Texas Theater.

Now the parallel to that for 911 is, I have to say, even more astounding because Richard Clark, who was director for counter-terrorism activities in the White House, and a very important eyewitness. In his book Against All Enemies – almost totally ignored by the 9/11 Commission, and it had to be ignored by the Commission because it is at odds, in many important respects with what the 911 Report says, which I will get back to. But he tells us that at 9:59 am on September 11, which is the time when the second tower collapses, the North Tower, the FBI already had the names of 18 of the 19 hijackers.

This is extraordinary in the first place because the FBI always says about itself that it doesn't do much intelligence in the field of terrorism; its specialty is criminal investigation afterwards. They had the names of 3 of the 4 hijackers on Flight 93 at 9:59; at 9:59 am Flight 93 had not yet crashed. And even more astonishingly, if we believe the 9/11 Report, which of course on this point I do not believe the 9/11 Report. But it tells us solemnly that NORAD, who was searching for the hijacked planes, wasn't aware that Flight 93 had been hijacked until 10:08, which is nine minutes after the FBI already has three of the four names of the hijackers on the plane.

So it's worth thinking about that for a moment, the two events together. And then the other things that we know about, how the identity of the person who is ultimately going to be identified as the culprit is established at the very beginning - Sirhan Sirhan, the bag with the gun that identifies James Earl Ray – it isn't investigative work AFTER the assassination, that finds these people, it is just following up what is already there, from the very beginning.

As I say that is the first thing that strikes my mind about the similarities between the two events. And then we come to what I call the internal continuity of content. Historically I was first drawn to this because when the news of the Watergate break-in was in the New York Times, on June 17, 1972, which I remember quite vividly, there was Frank Sturgis, alias Frank Forini, that I had already written about in the Dallas Conspiracy a year before, because of his role in perpetuating false Oswald stories, what I now call Phase One Oswald stories, linking him falsely to Cuba.

I could go on and on about that, but I just wanted to say, in the new paperback edition of Lamar Waldon's book Ultimate Sacrifice, we find validation of a very old story that Hunt and McCord, who we may loosely call two of the Watergate burglars, certainly the two who were controlling the fate of the rest, worked together in 1963.

This is an old charge, which was largely forgotten, but is revived in this book, and in my mind credibly. I just put myself on record that I was not impressed with the hardbound edition of Ultimate Sacrifice, and only this week just began reading my copy of the paperback edition. And I have issues with a lot of the things in there, but I am convinced it has to be taken seriously, and that whether or not he is right about his central thesis, he is right about the supporting details that he has gathered for it and it has the advantage of being thoroughly documented book. The quality of the documentation goes up and down, but there is a great deal of it.

Now I want to come to a common denominator between what happened in 1963 and what happened in 2001. It is not often discussed, but by coincidence, I think it is being discussed right now in the other place, as we call it, the role of the White House Communications Agency. You are all JFK researchers. How many of you have ever asked yourself about the role of the White House Communications Agency – WHCA on 11/22/63–? Anybody?

Rex, (laugh) well I am indebted to Rex, who of course is administrating the web site of the Mary Ferrell Foundation. There are quite a few documents there, and I am going to draw on those documents. That is what's so wonderful about the Mary Ferrell Foundation, you never have to go to the National Archives again, you just give a few touches of the fingers on the keyboard and you get these things.

It's going to help us with what I consider a very crucial and unresolved question of

9/11, and I'm sorry I have to telescope here. My big question and the focus of my forthcoming book - The Road to 9/11 - out of that huge book with 14 chapters, there is only two on 9/11 itself, and both of them are looking exclusively really, almost exclusively, at what Dick Chaney did between 9 am and 10:39 on that morning, because there are different accounts of it, and interestingly there are different accounts from Dick Chaney himself, incompatible accounts (laughs). And I believe it is a very important issue because either he was in the bunker, what we call the PEOC under the White House, when two crucial orders were made, a Stand Down order that got all the planes down on the ground, that came out of the bunker, and Shoot Down order, to shoot down any remaining hijacked planes, which at this point there was only one – Flight 93, which of course is the plane that should not have been shot down, according to the official version, because the passengers were taking care of the problem themselves.

And there is no doubt, everybody agrees, including the 9/11 Report, that both these orders occurred, and there is no doubt that the first was at 9:42 and there is great confusion as to whether the second order was around 9:45, which is what Richard Clark says. He said it was before Air Force One took off at 9:54, or from what the Report says, which is probably about 10:15, which of course is after Flight 93 had already crashed.

Now when did Dick Chaney go into the PEOC?

He spoke to Tim Russert on Meet the Press six days afterward on September 16 and said he got there before the plane, if that is what it was, flew into the Pentagon, which was at 9:37. And I believe him on September 16.

Then he was interviewed by Newsweek, and that appeared in Newsweek on December 31 and it is the basis for the story in the 9/11 Report, that he didn't arrive, and that's the Report's word, in the bunker until shortly before 10 am, probably around 9:58.

You notice if that was the case, he was not present for either order, though we have many sources to say that he was there for the first, and the only coherent reading of Richard Clark's book is that he transmitted to Clark the shoot down order sometime before 9:54.

What I think happened, and this is where we will get back to JFK, is that Chaney did indeed arrive quite early in the bunker, as Norman Manetta, who was also there, testified. (There's a very interesting story there that I can't get into here.) And THEN he left, and this is the interesting thing, he left the bunker, went back into the tunnel leading to the bunker – and here I'm following the Report, and from the bunker he made the crucial phone call to Bush and perhaps an even more crucial phone call to Rumsfield, which Rumsfield has testified to but which the Report ignores, which was about three things. One was protecting Air Force One, which was irrelevant, two which I wish I could get into, it is the heart of my book, instituting COG continuity of government, which I say change in government, because it is often called the Plan for the Suspension of the U.S. Constitution – and that is a pretty accurate summary of it.

How many of you did know that it was actually instituted on 9/11? That is perhaps one of the most important things that happened on 9/11, and it happened because of this phone call, AND THERE IS NO RECORD OF THE PHONE CALL. And I think it's pretty obvious that there is no record of the phone call because he wasn't in the bunker where people were taking notes and logs were being kept. He went to a back channel from a secure phone somewhere. There's no question, everyone agrees, even Chaney himself, that he used a secure phone in the tunnel to make this call.

Now this could be resolved by going to the records of the White House Communications Agency. They kept logs, the Secret Service kept logs and we have logs from that day that which record a trivial phone call at 9:15 am and another trivial phone call at 10:15 am.

But Thomas Kean, the commission chairman, complained publicly that the logs were not complete. We have the equilivant of an 18 minute gap, which some of you will remember from the Watergate investigation. The Commission does not present any records from the logs for the time of the phone call, either because they never saw them, possibly because the logs had been massaged and cleansed and purged before they got to them, possibly because the commission purged them themselves or, and this is what I believe, and I think you should think about very seriously, because the phone in the tunnel was a back channel for which normal logs were not kept, possibly because it was a higher classification because it involved continuity of government.

And one of the things I would press for is for Congress, when we start suing for the records that don't get released in 2009 – to get released all of the documents pertaining to COG, which I believe will tell us all about warrant-less wiretapping, about the building of detention camps for large numbers of undesirable people like US, and so on and so on. I think this is a very important topic.

Let me see where I am from my notes here. Anyway, so because I noticed this gap. First of all by the way, I had a researcher contact the press officer of the WHCA and they very helpfully said to put in a FOIA request. Well, the poor old AARB wasn't able to spin significant documents from the WHCA so I didn't bother to try on my own. I did go however, to their web site, and what I read there was, and this is a direct quote now: "The WHCA was a key player in documenting the assassination of President Kennedy."

Well this struck me as extremely interesting because, whoever, and I don't know who they documented it for, but on the basis of my research, they didn't document it for the Warren Commission because the Warren Commission never got their records. And neither did the ARRB. And there is actually a section of the AARB Report where they say – and I think they were much too limited in their curiosity, but it came to their attention that phone calls out of Air Force One flying back to Washington were, in of all places, at LBJ Library. Well then they figured if the records are at the LBJ Library we should get the whole set released, and their report said though, we can't locate any records.

What they really should have asked for, and I believe this would have documented the assassination, were WHCA records BEFORE the shots were fired, leading up to the moment the shots were fired, but as I said, they only requested records from Air Force One, which is to say sometimes after.

However a few documents were released, and this is the beauty of the Mary Ferrell Foundation. You can read them there, and what we read there are remarkably resonate to what I found out in respect to 9/11.

In the post-shooting period, the regular switchboard in Washington was out of touch with Dallas, and the only way they could communicate was to patch though to Fort Worth, which in turn would then to patch through to Dallas. But at the same time they set up a back channel, just like I was talking about 9/11.

They set up a back channel in the hospital – at Parkland, with the Secret Service. And this is what really gets interesting because in 9/11 I became fascinated with the WHCA channel – which in effect was the Secret Service channel, so the Secret Service knew everything of what was happening on 9/11 immediately, including what was on the screens at FAA or NORAD. That information was going directly and immediately to the Secret Service and therefore of course to Chaney, who had a Secret Service agent with him. That I think will turn out - I make this prediction, that if we ever get to the next layer of what happened on that day, you will become extremely interested in that Secret Service network with the White House Communications Agency. And I say it involves two levels, you will find a regular channel set of communications and the back channel, where the significant action is happening.

What was really interesting, to judge from the reports they filed, they were completely unaware that a back channel was operating.

I read this from Mary Ferrell Foundation site:

"Direct communication was set up immediately, outside of Emergency Room at Parkland, with Mr. Bain, the Special Agent in Charge of the White House Secret Service detail." So it wasn't even a back channel back to the WHCA but it went to the head of the Secret Service detail in his office in Washington, "which became the Washington Command Post and Clearing House."

Now what do we know from what's happening at that Command Post on that day? Almost nothing. But from what I learned from 9/11, that is where we should look to learn more about JFK.

And I think potentially, and here I am only speculating, that if we ever get to the pre-shot records, we will learn things like why Winston Lawson for example, stopped right in front of the TSBD where a man was having a so-called epileptic fit, which led to the Dallas Police ordering a direct pathway be open to Parkland Hospital.

So when the shooing of the president occurred, the President's car was like a pea in a pea shooter, there was only one way to go - the path to Parkland, open exit roads were laid so the epileptic could arrive. For those of you who know the story, there was a man who when he got there, he got off the stretcher and said he felt fine and 'I didn't have an epileptic fit at all'. He had changed history, he affected history, but he didn't have an epileptic fit.

Now I was thinking of two or three more. By the way, are you persuaded so far that it's worth it to look at these both together? Here's a broader one, where now you say, "There he goes again…" on the question of drugs.

In Deep Politics, and especially in Deep Politics II, which thanks to Rex, is about to be reissued I believe, and will be available shortly from the Mary Ferrell Foundation, I discuss the importance of the Mexican drug traffic as a factor – which is connected to Jack Ruby, which is connected to the Mexican DFS, which taped Oswald in Mexico City, connected to.Richard Cain, this multifaceted mob and law enforcement figure, who was the chief link between Sam Giancana and the Mexican establishment. And he may have very well, as I say in Deep Politics II, - his specialty was wiretapping, and it's conceded publicly that he did wiretapping in Mexico of foreign embassies in Mexico City for the Mexican government, which certainly sounds pretty relevant to the over hearing of the man identifying himself as Lee Oswald, and also some of the Cubans, we'll come back to them again, the Cuban students particularly FNB Cubans students who were involved in drug trafficking.

At that point, when I first wrote this I had not yet looked at the new version of Ultimate Sacrifice, and realized that the Mexican drug connection is if anything, even more important in Waldron's book than it is in mine, which may explain my new partiality to want to take that book seriously. He brings in people like, for example the French Connection, and whoever he was (Jean) Soutre or (Michael Victor) Mertz, who was reportedly in Dallas November 22, 1963. He ties those people to Marchello, and to Trafficante and to Rosselli and there are more people, I could give the rest of my talk on that theme, but I won't.

Now the current position of the George W. Bush administration and how they feel about drug traffickers. How many are following the case of Luis Posada Carriles?

Nobody denies he is a terrorist, he boasts to being a terrorist, blowing up an airliner in 1976 and he is very proud of bombing a Cuban resort in 1998 which rested in the death of a tourist. He actually had interviews with an American journalist to try to draw publicity to this fact and he complained no news covered it, and said, "What's the point of killing tourists if the tourist traffic is going to continue?"

Later he was ultimately picked up for trying to assassinate Castro in Panama in the year 2000.

Well we now know how tolerant the Reagan/Bush I administration was towards him because Bush Sr, arranged for Felix Rodriguez to be running the base El Tango Base in El Salvador, who turned around and gave the job to Luis Posada Carriles, who was still wanted for these crimes, but was now on the run. When that closed down in the 1990s, and now I am quoting from a Mexican Journal Por Esto.

In the 1990s, according to the Mexican journal Por Esto, "Posada Carriles was protected in Guatemala, Belize and Mexico by narco-traffickers in the Central American cartel headed by Otto Herrera García, an associate of the major Mexican trafficker Ismael Zambada. The State Dept website says of Otto Herrera García: In 2001, alone, his organization moved approximately 12 metric tons of cocaine, and may have the ability to smuggle as much as 2 tons of cocaine into the United States each month."

Well you would think that Posada would be in the bad graces of the American government, but Nooo. He was smuggled into this country and the man who smuggled him in who clearly committed a crime and has not been arrested for any crime. And when he once again called attention to himself, got himself detained, he once again asked for assaylm, and I think he will get it. Because the U S government has either to extradite him, which guarantee they won't do, or prosecute him, or release him. At this point the clock is ticking, and they have three months left on how long they have to decide what to do with him.

They know how long they can decide on what do with him. The reason they cannot prosecute him is because when he came back, the FBI in Miami decided NOT to prosecute him and DESTROYED all of the Luis Posada Carriles files. The man who did this is a Cuban-American whose father came out of that exile network where they all knew each other and protect each other and such protection exist. And I am in such a burn over this.

Orlando Bosh, who was a co-conspirator in blowing up a plane, and was able to pay for an acquittal in Latin America, came back without a record, was sponsored for US citizenship and obtained it, sponsored by Jeb Bush. (laugh)

And then shortly before, - and this gives me even more of a burn, shortly before 9/11 occurred, the two men who are confessed killers of (former Chile Ambassador to U.S. Orlando) Letelier and (Ronnie) Moffitt right in Washington, who it took years to get them convicted because of the interference from George Bush, Sr., they were finally convicted. And after serving seven years for this spectacular terrorist assassination, they were, I don't know if it was paroled or pardoned, but anyway they were let out of jail by the George W. Bush administration.

So those Cuban exiles still have their claws into the intelligence-security-justice network that is so interwoven with them – and that is going to be the theme of the second half of my talk.

PART II

Well, so drugs are still a factor with intelligence, and the question is, now that we are facing al Quada, what is the relationship of al Qaeda to Drugs? And is it similar to what I think was drugs in being in the background of the John F. Kennedy assassination?

Well there are two takes on this. Let me give you first of all, what the British Parliament was told on October 4, 2001 and that is that "al Qaeda's activity includes substantial exploitation of the drug trade from Afghanistan."

Now let's look at what the 9/11 Commission said on the same subject. They didn't have to say anything about drugs by the way, but they went out of their way to say this: "While the drug trade was a source of income for the Taliban, it did NOT serve the same purpose for al Quada. And there is NO reliable evidence that Bin Laden was involved in or made his money through drug trafficking."

And this was AFTER the U.S. Central Command Report – that in December, 2003 a dhow was intercepted near the straight of Hormuz carrying almost two tons of hashish, valued at up to $10 million dollars. And the Cent Com statement said and I quote, "that there were clear ties between the shipment and al Qaeda." If that is true, then why did the 9/11 Report go out of its way to say that there is No evidence of a connection between Bin Laden and drug trafficking?

I want to close this part of my talk on the allegations of Sibel Evans. Unfortunately we don't really know what they are because she is under a gag order. That for reasons of state she is not able to tell the public what she told the FBI. She was a whistleblower, who naively did what a whistleblower should do in the name of protecting the American public order, and got fired for it. And she is still fighting to appeal her case. She can't talk, but she has talked here and there, and my friend Daniel Ellsberg is very interested in her case and very recently he summed up what she is saying for KPFA, my local Pacifica radio station. This is Ellsberg's summary of what Sibel Evans is saying:

"Al Qaeda, she's been saying to Congress, is financed 95% by drug money, drug traffic to which the U.S. government shows a blind eye, has been ignoring because it very heavily involves allies and assets of ours, such as Turkey, Kyrayzstan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, Afghanistan - all of the Stans, in a drug traffic where the opium originates in Afghanistan, is processed in Turkey and delivered to Europe where it furnishes 96% of Europe's heroin by Albanians, either in Albania or Kosovo, Albanian muslims in Kosovo, basically the KLA Kosovo Liberation Army (which we backed heavily in that episode at the end of the century, that's last century) – and I will interrupt at this point.

In my book, I'm sure I think I quite adequately document that:

A. That the KLA was deeply involved or its leaders were deeply involved in drug trafficking and have used the NATO intervention as a way to consolidate a drug route through Kosovo and:

B. That they were very heavily involved with al Qaeda and that al-Zawahiri's brother came to organize KLA things and al-Zawahiri himself may have come to Kosovo at the same time key leaders were allied with PMC – Private Military Corporations, notably DynCorp. Those of you who were here last night heard Cynthia McKinney ask about DynCorp – and why the defense department worked with them. There are war crimes attributed to KLA leaders who in Croatia when they worked hand in glove with DynCorp. (And I'm cutting out a lot here that is relevant).

Sibel Evans says "Suitcases of cash were delivered to the Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert at his home near Chicago from Turkish sources, knowing that a lot of that is drug money."

These are very serious charges that were aired to some extent in some in Vanity Fair, and they are so important that the media, predictably, ignored them. And I'm drawing attention to what she is saying now because what she is saying can be proven, but these charges are very serious and not just pertinent to 9/11 alone, but to the whole fabric of how this country is run.

And I consider this a top priority for testing the honesty and credibility of the new Democratic leadership in Congress. Will they pursue these matters? And I hope that by hook or by crook you will try and put pressure on the new Democratic Congress to deal with these matters, so that we get a proper investigation of them for the first time.

And to close this section, whatever the details of whatever is the extent to what she is describing, and it's not just her, there was another witness Indira Singh, who was talking at a 9/11 conference up in Canada and she said, "I am not going into the drug aspects of things because I was told it would be the death of me."

This is a women who has nothing to do with Sibel Evans, but alluded to the same thing in the background of 9/11. And we need to learn more about that. And I suspect that whatever the situation is, it's something which goes back to at least as far as 1963, and would then explain the same background for the Kennedy assassination.

DOUBLE – AGENTS

The most important thing I want to do - this is all preliminary stuff – now I get to the real stuff - Double Agents.

In Deep Politics, I explored at some lengths, the possibility that Lee Harvey Oswald was, as Sylvia Odio had heard, a possible, and this is a quote, "a double agent trying to infiltrate the Dallas Cuban refugee group."

I went back and looked to see what I had to say about this in Deep Politics, and I must say in the light of 9/11, it blew my mind. I'm going to read from my own book, something that I had forgotten.

"The preceding chapter considered the possibility that Oswald was associated with anti-Kennedy Cubans in order to investigate them on behalf of a Federal agency. But we saw it alleged that Oswald was a double agent, collaborating with these gourps, since he or his handlers who shared their goals, that is anti-Kennedy goals, or possibly because he or his handlers had been turned by those they were supposed to investigate. Such a possibility was particularly likely with targets like Alpha 66, about which the government itself was conflicted, of two minds."

"If you remember that Alpha 66 in early 1963 conducted a series of raids, not just against Cuba, but against Soviet ships in Cuba. It was obviously trying to shipwreck the U S – Soviet understanding on Cuba, and really, in a sense was trying to torpedo the whole Kennedy policy of détente with the Soviet Union. And so there is no ambiguity about the total disapproval of the Justice Department, which cracked down on them and made a public announcement that they had to cease, and the continuing support from the CIA.

Now Waldron says David Atlee Phillips – and I don't know if there really is any evidence on David Phillips, he had an Alpha 66 connection at some point. I don't know it was Phillips, but it was certainly a group that was close to Phillips, and may I add, extremely important to this book, the paperback edition of Ultimate Sacrifice.

Let me read one more paragraph from my book Deep Politics, "Here it is relevant that Alpha 66, although anti-Kennedy, was being used operationally by military intelligence. There are signs, though complex and inconclusive, that Oswald's strange and self-incriminating behavior in New Orleans and Dallas was staged to be documented in the secret files of military intelligence," and here I will summarize this very briefly. I go into how he volunteers – he asks for an FBI agent. This is an experiment we could all do – get ourselves arrested for a misdemeanor, and then say we'd like the FBI to come and interview us. This is what Oswald said. How many of us are going to get the FBI to come down on Saturday morning to talk to us?

Well anyway, Oswald had no trouble doing this and he also talked to the police. In both cases he was talking about A. J. Hidel, and in both cases that information ended up somehow, via the FBI agent with Army Intelligence and by police Captain Martello, with Naval intelligence. So Oswald was enriching the files on himself in a way that would lead too his death in Dallas in November 1963.

Well, what is so arresting about the connection here to 9/11?

ALI MOHAMED

Because I want to talk about another double-agent – unmistakably, and a very important one - Ali Mohammad. How many people have heard of the name Ali Mohammad before today? Almost nobody. Well listen to this as it is important. There is a quite a lot about him on now on my web site because I've been talking about him.

It is striking that he was undeniably working for US Army Special Forces, working with the CIA, almost certainly admitted to this country on a CIA visa, and in his last years certainly working with the FBI. He was actually detained in Canada by the RCMP and he said phone this number and you will release me and they phoned the West Coast office, the San Francisco office of the FBI, and sure enough they released him immediately.

And that meant he was able to go to Kenya, photograph the Kenyan embassy, and deliver the photographs personally to Bin Laden who said to "put the truck here," he said that to Ali Mohammad.

And there is this new book, in fact it arrived the day before I caught a plane to come to Dallas, so I haven't had a very good read of it, but I've been following Peter Lance. It is Peter Lance's book, "Triple Cross – How Bin Laden's Master Spy" – that's Ali Mohammad, "Penetrated the CIA, the Green Berets and the FBI and Why Patrick Fitzgerald Failed to Stop Him."

This is a very interesting story and there's quite a lot more on my web site. What is particularly important here is he was not only protected under the George W. Bush administration - but from as early as 1990 when the FBI SOG Special Operations Group in New York photographed him training terrorists in terrorists activities – sharp shooting, etc.

I'm going to name the names of some of his disciples, and you can remember them for sixty seconds and then you can forget them. El Sayyid Nosair, who went on to murder Meir Kahane, the Jewish racist, almost immediately, was trained in sharp shooting by Ali Mohammad; Mohammed Salameh, who went on to participate in the first WTC bombing in 1993; and finally there's a man called (Clement) Rodney Hampton-El, who is the one American-born black Muslim in the group, who clearly had Army backing because this was all for Afghanistan. He was allowed to go to Fort Bellvoier, and an Army major gave him a list of Muslims in the US Army whom he could recruit to go to Afghanistan. So you might say well of course we were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan, so it makes sense that it was okay for them to approve this kind of activity. The problem is the Soviets had totally withdraw from Afghanistan by early 1989 and all of this was going on in 1990, at a time when the U.S. government, to paraphrase what I just said about 1963, was of two minds about what to do in Afghanistan.

Remember that Gorbachev is now the President of Russia, and that the State Department, and I believe the White House attached a lot of importance from Reagan's last years to working with the Soviet Union. I believe the State Department position was "to let the Russians leave, lay off, stop our activities."

The man they left in charge of Kabul, I think his name is Najibullah, said publicly, "You may not like me in the West, but I'm the best you are going to get, and if you get rid of me you will have a nation of drug traffickers," which is essentially what we now have defacto in Afghanistan. His prediction was entirely correct. The CIA was way off base here, with the support, obviously, of the US Army.

They were backing Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who some people call the leading heroin trafficker in the world, to get rid of this secular, anti-Islamist government in Kabul, which we would I think, we would pay an awful lot of money to get back at this stage which is preferable to what we have.

So this is a conflicted program and the fact that Ali Mohammad was doing it, earned him high-level protection. And there is so much I'm not telling you about how he was actually flying to Afghanistan and fighting while he was on the U S Army payroll, which is a definite no-no. And his commanding officer didn't like it, but there was nothing he could do about it because Ali Mohammad was being directed by another agency. And you can only guess what that other agency would have been.

Well anyway, a new book by Peter Lance confirms that Ali Mohammed, one of al Qaeda's top trainers in terrorism, yes Top Trainers in Terrorism, including top training in hijacking – how to bring on box cutters, where to sit in the plane. And that's not against the Soviets, because you couldn't hijack a Soviet plane because no civilians ever got on a Soviet plane in Afghanistan.

So he was a Top Trainer. He was an operative for the FBI, the CIA and the Army, and in my book I write that in 1990 his trainees were….to help the Army and CIA support the drug trafficker Hekmatyar in Afghanistan, even after the Soviets with drew.

So back in 1990 the FBI knew these people were involved in conspiratorial activity. And I say they photographed, they videotaped Ali Mohamad training these people. And yet, when shortly after, very shortly afterwards, Nosair went out and shot Meir Kahane, and because of his own lack of cool, ended up being shot himself and arrested.

The police and the FBI told the public that he was, and we've heard this kind of language before, "a lone, deranged gunman," who, and this is the FBI speaking, "acted alone."

Here you have a guy who was part of a tolerated conspiracy, and when it went public, - I don't think they anticipated the killing of Kahane, that is there response.

First of all they knew he wasn't alone because they had film of him training these other people.

All of his trainees were members of the al-Kifah Center in Brooklyn, which served as the main American recruitment center for the network, which after the Afghanistan war, became known as al Quada. And it has been said that the murder of Kahane was the first al Quada attack in America.

The al-Kifah Center was headed at the time, by the Blind Sheik Omar, who like Ali Mohamad, had been admitted into a CIA visa, despite being on a State Department watch list. And as he had done earlier in Egypt, he issued a fatwa that permitted his followers to rob banks and kill Jews.

Now in November 1990, three of Mohamed's trainees conspired together to kill Meir Kahane, the racist founder of the Jewish Defense League. The actual killer, El Sayyid Nosair, was caught by accident almost immediately; and by luck the police soon found his two co-conspirators, Mahamud Abouhalima and Mohammed Salameh, waiting at Nosair's house.

So they had the other two conspirators, and this is also what they found at Nosair's house, and I am quoting, "There were formulas for bomb making, 1,440 rounds of ammunition, and manuals from the John F. Special Warfare Center at Fort Bragg marked 'Top Secret for Training.'" May I say those manuals were supplied by Ali Mohamed – the double-agent, and became the basis for the al Qaeda's own manual, which was mostly written by double agent Mohamad, "along with classified documents belonging to the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff."

"The police found maps and drawings of New York City landmarks like the Statue of Liberty, Times Square – and the World Trade Center. The forty-seven boxes of evidence they collected also included the collected sermons of blind Sheikh Omar, in which he exhorted his followers to quote "destroy the edifices of capitalism"

So all three – Nosair. Abouhalima and Salameh had been trained by Mohamed, the FBI had photographed them and if they had moved on and seized all three of them we probably would not have had the first World Trade Center bombing, and we almost certainly would not have had the so called Landmarks Conspiracy, where there was a plot to blow up other landmarks you heard before like the Statue of Liberty.

And yet only hours after the killing, Joseph Borelli, Chief of NYPD detectives, struck a familiar American note and pronounced Nosair a "lone deranged gunman." And some time later, he actually told the press - and this is the real giveaway, that "There was NOTHING at Nosair's house, NOTHING that would stir your imagination. NOTHING has transpired that changes our opinion that he acted alone."

So if 47 boxes of incriminating evidence is remembered by this man as nothing, then he either has an astonishingly bad memory, or that this is how the US law enforcement system treats people who are marginally attached to intelligence operations, covert operations, EVEN controversial operations which are opposed by major elements of the U S government.

Now Barrilli himself was not acting alone in this matter. His position was also that of the FBI, who said they too believed quote, "Mister Nosair had alone in the shooting of Meir Kahane." Then another FBI agent, "The bottom line is we cannot connect anyone else to the Kahane shooting," an FBI agent said.

So there is an MO there. And I want to back to what I was saying at the very beginning. To end up having pre-selected, somebody has pre-selected a candidate or candidates - and I didn't get into the question of conspiracy. There has to be a conspiracy theory about 9/11.You cannot say 9/11 was someone acting alone. We say in a sense it was 19 – lone nuts, all acting together. Just in case you don't know it, they identified all of these names before 10 o'clock on that morning, and within two weeks there were five, six or seven of them, in various places, who said, nearly all turned out to be pilots – by the way. And they said, that's my name, yes I went to that flight school, two or three even said "that's my photograph that was published," but they also said it's not me, and you had to sympathize with their logic, it's not me because I'm still here and I'm still alive. And it was bad enough that the Saudi government officially protested to the United States government. And the head of the FBI (Robert) Muller, at the time, said, "There is some uncertainty about this and we'll have to look into it a bit more."

How many of you have looked at the 9/11 Report? You're a virgin audience here. The 9/11 Report has a great deal to say about the 19 hijackers, but it's NEVER hinted that there had ever a shadow of suspicion as to who they really are. Which is just one of the many indications this was not a very profound investigation.

And like the Warren Commission Report, they already knew were they had to end up because it had been pre-defined for them. They already knew. But it is the combination I want you to think about. The predesignated culprit or culprets, are in a sense unpursueable because they were part of an operation. Which in the case of 9/11 is a scandal. I mean these people could have been stopped back in 1990 and weren't.

And I haven't gone into the Patrick Fitzgerald part of it. This is a very important book by the way, Triple Cross. And he has another book, A Thousand Years of Deception, which is almost as important.

My final words, are words that I have said I think on many occasions, and is apropos on many subjects,

That when we look at something like the JFK Assassination or 9/11, throw in the Iran-Contra – or the bombing of Letelier, we are looking at Meta-Events. Events unlike most events, are not treated normally in the U S press, butt are what John called this morning, a Hidden History, and they are reserved for a special kind of treatment, and that requires, among other things, a special kind of audience, people like you.

Because we stumbled upon it somewhere, in this case in JFK, we are open to the fact that it happens elsewhere. And like I said before and will say so again, and my final words to you is to understand any of these events in real depth, you have to go beyond bullet angles at Dealey Plaza, and films from the place, and look at what is on-going in this country.

And I'll remind you again of the possible involvement of the drug traffic. And to get to any kind of level where we can cope and deal with these kinds of problems in our country, we have to see the continuity and deal with it every time it surfaces.

Because if we don't deal with it this time, and we probably won't, it will surface again.

Thank you very much.

xyx

Edited December 15, 2006 by William Kelly

[William Kelly]

I hope somebody gets something out of that transcript of PDS's talk.

I think it is very important and people should read it as well as listen to it.

I also obtained a copy of Triple Cross, also an imporant book re: 9/11.

While typing this up, I came up with a few other similar angles about such Meta-Events that are worth establishing comparisons, including:

- Many of the players in different events are the same - ie Franks Sturgis/Cubans

-The destruction of LHO's DOD files and Able Danger Info.

- Ali Mohamad/LHO both double-agents whose Honorable Discharge later changed.

- Culpret described as "Lone-deranged nut" - LHO & Nosair.

- Culprets reportedly attend Defense Language Institute in Monteray, Calf.

- Training Manuals - used and passed around - LHO/CBruingier and Ali M's Special Forces manual used to develop al Qaeda manual.

- Funding through Religous front - Russian Orthodiox Church/Blind Sheik

- The role of assassination - JFK/Leitiler/Moffit - Rabbi Meir Kahane and leader of Northern Alliance.

- Serious interrogation in Phillipines - Luis Angel Castillo/al Qaeda bomber Murad

- The use of Army Reserves officers in New Orelans/Dallas PD and NYC PD/Fire

- LHO and Ali M both use Import/Export business as profession.

- How Mob blackmails operation - CIA/Castro plots with JFK and Columbo mobster's middleman in Yousef's communications.

I'm sure there's more, but these, along with the ones Peter brings out in his talk, certainly sets a basis for future study of such "Meta Events."

BK

Edited December 15, 2006 by William Kelly

[William Kelly]

BK

GREAT, Thanks, but [hate to mention it] some of the Q+A was as or more important - i.e. on Continuity of Govenment et al.

Peter,

I have that too, but don't have the time to transcribe it out at the moment. Why don't you do it?

BK

[Robert Howard]

BK

GREAT, Thanks, but [hate to mention it] some of the Q+A was as or more important - i.e. on Continuity of Govenment et al.

Peter,

I have that too, but don't have the time to transcribe it out at the moment. Why don't you do it?

BK

The parallels between 11/22/63 and 9-11 are indeed quite the attention getter; I was especially interested in the mention of [in relation to 9-11] Fort Bragg, North Carolina.....as a re-confirmation of it's importance in analysis of the JFK Assassination....Richard Cain,.....Peter mentioned "Richard Cain, this multifaceted mob and law enforcement figure, who was the chief link between Sam Giancana and the Mexican establishment......his specialty was wiretapping, and it's conceded publicly that he did wiretapping in Mexico of foreign embassies in Mexico City for the Mexican government."

While there has been a tremendous amount of documents and research concerning Mexico City and Oswald since John Newman's - Oswald & The CIA [1995] ....seeing P.D. Scott emphasizing the Richard Cain aspect of Oswald/Mexico City helps me add that to the overall picture there....

I would also like to mention the very striking parallel's re the Presidential administrations of LBJ and George W. Bush...

Similarities:

Both from Texas with strong [direct & indirect] ties to individual's well known in the oil and gas industry

as well as Brown & Root/Haliburton, not to mention connections of both President's throughout Capitol Hill.

While LBJ to a degree inherited Vietnam from JFK the escalation of ground forces to half a million troops by 1967 was strictly a result of events which did not transpire while JFK was President i.e. Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which has as many holes in the official version of events, in retrospect, as the WMD issue has been proven in it's relation to the beginning of the Iraq War, and while defeat or victory re US forces in Iraq remains to be seen, in official terms, it would not be an exaggeration to say there are most definitely parallel's to the Vietnam conflict.

making overall similarities between these two mega-events even more pervasive.

Having the hardbound copy of Ultimate Sacrifice, I felt like I was missing something re P.D. Scott's reference to the paperback version, is there any additional information in the latter that makes the hardbound version, inferior?

Edited December 16, 2006 by Robert Howard

[William Kelly]

BK

GREAT, Thanks, but [hate to mention it] some of the Q+A was as or more important - i.e. on Continuity of Govenment et al.

Peter,

I have that too, but don't have the time to transcribe it out at the moment. Why don't you do it?

BK

The parallels between 11/22/63 and 9-11 are indeed quite the attention getter; I was especially interested in the mention of [in relation to 9-11] Fort Bragg, North Carolina.....as a re-confirmation of it's importance in analysis of the JFK Assassination....Richard Cain,.....Peter mentioned "Richard Cain, this multifaceted mob and law enforcement figure, who was the chief link between Sam Giancana and the Mexican establishment......his specialty was wiretapping, and it's conceded publicly that he did wiretapping in Mexico of foreign embassies in Mexico City for the Mexican government."

While there has been a tremendous amount of documents and research concerning Mexico City and Oswald since John Newman's - Oswald & The CIA [1995] ....seeing P.D. Scott emphasizing the Richard Cain aspect of Oswald/Mexico City helps me add that to the overall picture there....

I would also like to mention the very striking parallel's re the Presidential administrations of LBJ and George W. Bush...

Similarities:

Both from Texas with strong [direct & indirect] ties to individual's well known in the oil and gas industry

as well as Brown & Root/Haliburton, not to mention connections of both President's throughout Capitol Hill.

While LBJ to a degree inherited Vietnam from JFK the escalation of ground forces to half a million troops by 1967 was strictly a result of events which did not transpire while JFK was President i.e. Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which has as many holes in the official version of events, in retrospect, as the WMD issue has been proven in it's relation to the beginning of the Iraq War, and while defeat or victory re US forces in Iraq remains to be seen, in official terms, it would not be an exaggeration to say there are most definitely parallel's to the Vietnam conflict.

making overall similarities between these two mega-events even more pervasive.

Having the hardbound copy of Ultimate Sacrifice, I felt like I was missing something re P.D. Scott's reference to the paperback version, is there any additional information in the latter that makes the hardbound version, inferior?

Got tht Robert,

Brown & Root & Hailburtain, Richard Cain and Tonkin Gulf, Northwoods and WMD.

Just got Ultimate Sac II, and feel like I got ripped off on the hardbound deal. I still don't like their whole schmeil, though will look at it again on PDS advice, and get back to you on that one.

Also Robert, check out the Getting to the Movie Theater thread re: DPD car #107.

BK

[William Kelly]

Here's the edited and footnoted version that can be used if anyone wants to download and/or repost. BK - bkjfk3@yahoo.com

DALLAS COPA – November 18, 2006.

JFK & 9/11 – Insights Gained from Studying Both.[1]

When I first imagined doing this talk I thought well I probably knew more at this stage about 9/11 than most people here, who are professionally concerned with JFK. But in doing this talk, which I only began last Monday, has been a real learning experience for myself. Taking a lot of things which I had already knew about each, but which I had never really put together before -- when I did they gave me a clearer view of what was happening behind the scenes in both operations. Because certain things repeat themselves.

These things that repeat themselves include what we might call external features – which you are very familiar with in the JFK case - the ability of the government to establish a guilty party or parties immediately, and the press and media consumption of that product to the exclusion of all other possibilities.

Eventually, in both cases a commission is set up – the Warren commission in 1963 and the 9/11 Commission this time in 2003.

And the starting point for both commissions is to validate what was already decided by the FBI on the day in question. That is the first of the common features that I would like to look at a bit more closely because it sort of hit me between the eyes when I thought about the two together.

Now if you remember the case of Oswald, and I have to do this from memory here, so correct me if I am wrong about the details, but within minutes of the assassination and

long before Oswald is picked up in the Texas Theater, they put out on the police network and possibly other networks, a description of the killer – five foot ten – 165 pounds (WR 5), which exactly matches what is in his FBI file, exactly matches what's in CIA documents about him.

One of the problems is it doesn't match the actual height and weight of the man picked up and charged, which is more like five foot 9 and 145 pounds. And it's also very suspect because as far as we can trace the origins of this exact fit with the FBI file, it's attributed to Howard Brennan[2] – who saw someone two blocks from here in the sixth floor window, from the waist up. So you'll have to figure out how they were able to get that exact. It's clear they already knew who was going to be charged before they found him in the Texas Theater.

Now the parallel to that for 911 is, I have to say, even more astounding, because of Richard Clarke, who was director for counter-terrorism activities in the White House, and a very important eyewitness. His book Against All Enemies is almost totally ignored by the 9/11 Commission, and it had to be ignored by the Commission because it is at odds, in many important respects, with what the 911 Report says (which I will get back to). But he tells us that at 9:59 am on September 11, which is the time when the second tower collapses, the North Tower, the FBI already had a list of the alleged hijackers.[3]

This is extraordinary in the first place because the FBI always says about itself that it doesn't do much intelligence in the field of terrorism; its specialty is criminal investigation afterwards. They had the names of hijackers at 9:59; at 9:59 am Flight 93 had not yet crashed. And even more astonishingly, if we believe the 9/11 Report (which of course on this point I do not believe), NORAD, which was searching for the hijacked planes, wasn't aware that Flight 93 had been hijacked until 10:08, which is nine minutes later.

("I don't buy the idea that we didn't know what was coming," a former FBI official with extensive counter-terrorism experience has since said. "Within 24 hours [of the attack] the Bureau had about 20 people identified, and photos were sent out to the news media. Obviously this information was available in the files and somebody was sitting on it.")[4]

So it's worth thinking about that for a moment, the two events together. And then in the other cases that we know about, how the identity of the person who is ultimately going to be identified as the culprit is established at the very beginning - Sirhan Sirhan, the bag with the gun that identifies James Earl Ray – it isn't investigative work AFTER the assassination, that finds these people, it is just following up what is already there, from the very beginning.

As I say that is the first thing that strikes my mind about the similarities between the two events. And then we come to what I call the internal continuity of content. Historically I was first drawn to this because when the news of the Watergate break-in was in the New York Times, on June 17, 1972, which I remember quite vividly, there was Frank Sturgis, alias Frank Fiorini, that I had already written about in The Dallas Conspiracy a year before, because of his role in perpetuating false Oswald stories, what I now call Phase One Oswald stories, linking him falsely to Cuba.

I could go on and on about that, but I just wanted to say, in the new paperback edition of Lamar Waldon's book Ultimate Sacrifice, we find validation of a very old story that Hunt and McCord, who we may loosely call two of the Watergate burglars, certainly the two who were controlling the fate of the rest, worked together in 1963.[5]

This is an old charge, which was largely forgotten, but is revived in this book, and in my mind credibly. I just put myself on record that I was not impressed with the hardbound edition of Ultimate Sacrifice, and only this week just began reading my copy of the paperback edition. And I have issues with a lot of the things in there, but I am convinced it has to be taken seriously, and that whether or not he is right about his central thesis, he is more right about the supporting details that he has gathered for it and it has the advantage of being thoroughly documented book. The quality of the documentation goes up and down, but there is a great deal of it.

THE WHITE HOUSE COMMUNICATIONS AGENCY

Now I want to come to a common denominator between what happened in 1963 and what happened in 2001. It is not often discussed, the role of the White House Communications Agency. You are all JFK researchers. How many of you have ever asked yourself about the role of the White House Communications Agency – WHCA on 11/22/63–? Anybody?

Rex![6] (laugh) Well I am indebted to Rex [bradford], who of course is administering the web site of the Mary Ferrell Foundation. There are quite a few documents there, and I am going to draw on those documents. That is what's so wonderful about the Mary Ferrell Foundation, you never have to go to the National Archives again, you just give a few touches of the fingers on the keyboard and you get these things.

It's going to help us with what I consider a very crucial and unresolved question of

9/11, and I'm sorry I have to telescope here. My big question and the focus of my forthcoming book - The Road to 9/11 - out of that huge book with 14 chapters, there are only two on 9/11 itself, and both of them are looking exclusively really, almost exclusively, at what Dick Cheney did between 9 am and 10:39 on that morning - because there are different accounts of it, and interestingly there are different accounts from Dick Cheney himself, incompatible accounts. And I believe it is a very important issue because either he was in the bunker, what we call the PEOC under the White House, or not, when two crucial orders were made, a Stand Down order that got all the planes down on the ground, that came out of the bunker, and a Shoot Down order, to shoot down any remaining hijacked planes. (At this point there was only one – Flight 93, which of course is the plane that should not have been shot down, according to the official version, because the passengers were taking care of the problem themselves.)

And there is no doubt, everybody agrees, including the 9/11 Report, that both these orders occurred. There is no doubt that the first was at 9:42; and there is great confusion as to whether the second order was around 9:45 (Richard Clarke says it was before Air Force One took off at 9:54) or when the Report indicates: probably about 10:15, which of course is after Flight 93 had already crashed.[7]

Now when did Dick Cheney go into the PEOC? He spoke to Tim Russert on "Meet the Press" five days afterward, on September 16, and said he got there before the plane, if that is what it was, flew into the Pentagon, which was at 9:37. And I believe what he said on September 16.

Then he was interviewed by Newsweek, and that appeared in Newsweek on December 31; and it is the basis for the story in the 9/11 Report: that he "arrived", and that's the Report's word, in the bunker "shortly before 10 [am], perhaps at 9:58."[8]

You notice if that was the case, he was not present for either order, though we have many sources to say that he was there for the first, and the only coherent reading of Richard Clarke's book is that he transmitted to Clarke the shoot down order sometime before 9:54.

What I think happened -- and this is where we will get back to JFK -- is that Cheney did indeed arrive quite early in the bunker, as Norman Mineta, who was also there, testified. (There's a very interesting story there that I can't get into here.)[9] And THEN Cheney left, and this is the interesting thing, he left the bunker, went back into the tunnel leading to the bunker – and from the bunker he made the crucial phone call to Bush and perhaps an even more crucial phone call to Rumsfeld, which Rumsfeld has testified to but which the Report ignores, which was about three things:

1) protecting Air Force One, which was irrelevant;

2) orders (disputed) about planes, which may have involved the shoot-down order;

3) Continuity of Government.[10]

I wish I could get into this -- it is the heart of my book: instituting COG, Continuity of Government (which I call Change in Government, because it is often called a plan for the suspension of the U.S. Constitution – and that is a pretty accurate summary of it).[11]

How many of you did know that it was actually instituted on 9/11? That is perhaps one of the most important things that happened on 9/11, and it happened because of this phone call, AND THERE IS NO RECORD OF THE PHONE CALL.[12] And I think it's pretty obvious that there is no record of the phone call because he wasn't in the bunker where people were taking notes and logs were being kept. He went to a back channel from a secure phone somewhere. There's no question, everyone agrees, even Cheney himself, that he used a secure phone in the tunnel at this time.[13]

Now this matter could be resolved by going to the records of the White House Communications Agency. They kept logs. The Secret Service kept logs. And we have logs from that day that which record a trivial phone call at 9:15 am and another trivial phone call at 10:15 am.

But Thomas Kean, the commission chairman, complained publicly that the logs were not complete.^[14] We have the equivalent of an 18 minute gap, which some of you will remember from the Watergate investigation.[15] The 9/11 Commission does not present any records from the logs for the time of the phone call, either because they never saw them, possibly because the logs had been massaged and cleansed and purged before they got to them, possibly because the commission purged them themselves or, and this is what I believe, and I think you should think about very seriously, because the phone in the tunnel was a back channel for which normal logs were not kept, possibly because it was a higher classification because it involved Continuity of Government.

And one of the things I would press for is for Congress, when we start suing for the records that don't get released in 2009[16] – to get released all of the documents pertaining to COG, which I believe will tell us all about warrant-less wiretapping, about the building of detention camps for large numbers of undesirable people like US, and so on and so on. I think this is a very important topic.[17]

Let me see where I am from my notes here. Anyway, so because I noticed this gap. First of all by the way, I had a researcher contact the press officer of the WHCA and they very helpfully said to put in a FOIA request. Well, the poor old AARB wasn't able to spin significant documents from the WHCA so I didn't bother to try on my own.[18] I did go however, to their web site, and what I read there was, and this is a direct quote now: "The WHCA was a key player in documenting the assassination of President Kennedy."

Well this struck me as extremely interesting because, whoever, and I don't know who they documented it for, but on the basis of my research, they didn't document it for the Warren Commission. Because the Warren Commission never got their records. And neither did the ARRB. And there is actually a section of the AARB Report where they say – and I think they were much too limited in their curiosity, but it came to their attention that edited phone calls out of Air Force One flying back to Washington were, in of all places, the LBJ Library. Well then they figured if the edited records are at the LBJ Library we should get the unedited set released. Their report said, though, "The WHCA could not produce any records."[19]

What they really should have asked for, and I believe this would have documented the assassination, were WHCA records BEFORE the shots were fired, leading up to the moment the shots were fired, but as I said, they only requested records from Air Force One, which is to say some time after.

However a few documents from 1963 were released. (And this is the beauty of the Mary Ferrell Foundation: you can read them there.) And what we read there is remarkably resonant to what I found out in respect to 9/11. In the post-shooting period, the regular switchboard in Washington was out of touch with Dallas, and the only way they could communicate was to patch though to Fort Worth, which in turn would then patch through to Dallas. But at the same time there was a back channel, just like I was talking about 9/11. The back channel was set up at Parkland Hospital, through the Secret Service, and the main WHCA switchboard was unaware of it.[20]

And this is what really gets interesting, because in 9/11 I became fascinated with the WHCA channel – which in effect was the Secret Service channel, so the Secret Service knew everything of what was happening on 9/11 immediately, including what was on the screens at FAA or NORAD. That information was going directly and immediately to the Secret Service and therefore of course to Cheney, who had a Secret Service agent with him. That I think will turn out - I make this prediction, that if we ever get to the next layer of what happened on that day, you will become extremely interested in that Secret Service network with the White House Communications Agency. And I say it involves two levels, you will find a regular channel set of communications and the back channel, where the significant action is happening.

What was really interesting, to judge from the reports they filed, the WHCA regulars were completely unaware that a back channel was operating.

I read this from Mary Ferrell Foundation site: "Direct communication was set up immediately, outside of Emergency Room at Parkland, with Mr. Bain" (the Special Agent in Charge of the White House Secret Service detail.) So it wasn't even a back channel back to the WHCA but it went to the head of the Secret Service detail in his office in Washington, "which became the Washington Command Post and Clearing House."[21]

Now what do we know from what's happening at that Command Post on that day? Almost nothing. But from what I learned from 9/11, that is where we should look to learn more about JFK. And I think potentially, and here I am only speculating, that if we ever get to the pre-shot WHCA records, we will learn things like why Winston Lawson for example, stopped right in front of the TSBD where a man was having a so-called epileptic fit, which led to the Dallas Police ordering a direct pathway for an ambulance be open to Parkland Hospital.[22]

So when the shooting of the president occurred, the President's car was like a pea in a pea shooter, there was only one way to go - the path to Parkland was open while access were blocked so the epileptic could arrive. For those of you who know the story, there was a man who when he got there, got off the stretcher and said he felt fine and didn't have an epileptic fit at all. He had changed history, he had affected history, but he didn't have an epileptic fit.[23]

DRUGS

Now I was thinking of two or three more points. By the way, are you persuaded so far that it's worth it to look at these both together? Here's a broader one, where now you say, "There he goes again…" on the question of drugs.

In Deep Politics, and especially in Deep Politics II (which thanks to Rex, is about to be reissued I believe, and will be available shortly from the Mary Ferrell Foundation), I discuss the importance of the Mexican drug traffic as a factor – which is

1) connected to Jack Ruby,

2) which is connected to the Mexican DFS, which taped Oswald in Mexico City,

3) connected to.Richard Cain, this multifaceted mob and law enforcement figure, who was the chief link between Sam Giancana and the Mexican establishment. And he may have very well, as I say in Deep Politics II, - his specialty was wiretapping, and it's conceded publicly that he did wiretapping in Mexico of foreign embassies in Mexico City for the Mexican government, which certainly sounds pretty relevant to the over hearing of the man identifying himself as Lee Oswald, and also some of the Cubans, we'll come back to them again, the Cuban students particularly Cubans students who were involved in drug trafficking.

At that point, when I first wrote this I had not yet looked at the new version of Ultimate Sacrifice, and realized that the Mexican drug connection is, if anything, even more important in Waldron's book than it is in mine, which may explain my new partiality to want to take that book seriously. He brings in people like, for example the French Connection, and whoever he was (Jean) Souêtre or (Michael Victor) Mertz, who was reportedly in Dallas November 22, 1963.[24] He ties those people to Marcello, and to Trafficante and to Rosselli and there are more people, I could give the rest of my talk on that theme, but I won't.

Now the current position of the George W. Bush administration and how they feel about drug traffickers. How many are following the case of Luis Posada Carriles?

Nobody denies he is a terrorist, he boasts to being a terrorist. He blew up an airliner in 1976 and he once boasted of bombing a Cuban resort in 1998 which rested in the death of a tourist. He actually had interviews with an American journalist to try to draw publicity to this fact and he complained no news covered it, and said, in effect, "What's the point of killing tourists if the tourist traffic is going to continue?"[25]

Later he was ultimately picked up for trying to assassinate Castro in Panama in the year 2000.

Well we now know how tolerant the Reagan/Bush I administration was towards him because Bush Sr. arranged for Felix Rodriguez to be running the Ilotango Base in El Salvador, who turned around and gave a job to Luis Posada Carriles, who was still wanted for these crimes, but was now on the run. When that closed down in the 1990s, and now I am quoting from a Mexican journalist for Por Esto, "Posada Carriles was protected in Guatemala, Belize and Mexico by narco-traffickers in the Central American cartel headed by Otto Herrera García, an associate of the major Mexican trafficker Ismael Zambada."[26] The State Dept website says of Otto Herrera García: "In 2001, alone, his organization moved approximately 12 metric tons of cocaine, and may have the ability to smuggle as much as 2 tons of cocaine into the United States each month."[27]

Well you would think that Posada would be in the bad graces of the American government, but No. He was smuggled into this country and the man who smuggled him in, who clearly committed a crime, has not been arrested for any crime. And when Posada once again called attention to himself, and got himself detained, he once again asked for asylum, and I think he will get it. Because the U S government has either to extradite him, which I guarantee they won't do, or prosecute him, or release him. At this point the clock is ticking, and they have three months left on how long they have to decide what to do with him.[28]

They know how long they have to decide on what do with him. The reason they cannot prosecute him is because when he came back, the FBI in Miami decided not to prosecute him and destroyed all of the Luis Posada Carriles files. The man who did this is a Cuban-American whose father came out of that exile network where they all knew each other and protect each other and such protection exist. And I am in such a burn over this.[29]

Orlando Bosch, who was a co-conspirator in blowing up the plane, and was able to pay for an acquittal in Latin America, came back without a record, was sponsored for US citizenship and obtained it, championed by Jeb Bush.[30]

And then shortly before, - and this gives me even more of a burn, shortly before 9/11 occurred, the two men who are confessed killers of former Chile Ambassador to U.S. Orlando Letelier and Ronnie Moffitt right in Washington, who it took years to get them convicted because of the interference from George Bush, Sr., they were finally convicted. And after serving seven years for this spectacular terrorist assassination, they were, I don't know they were was paroled or pardoned, but anyway they were let out of jail by the George W. Bush administration, after serving only seven years.

So those Cuban exiles still have their claws into the intelligence-security-justice network that is so interwoven with them – and that is going to be the theme of the second half of my talk.

Well, so drugs are still a factor with intelligence, and the question is, now that we are facing al Qaeda, what is the relationship of al Qaeda to Drugs? And is it similar to what I think was drugs in being in the background of the John F. Kennedy assassination?

Well there are two takes on this. Let me give you first of all, what the British Parliament was told on October 4, 2001 and that is that "al Qaeda's activity includes substantial exploitation of the drug trade from Afghanistan."[31]

Now let's look at what the 9/11 Commission said on the same subject. They didn't have to say anything about drugs by the way, but they went out of their way to say this: "While the drug trade was a source of income for the Taliban, it did not serve the same purpose for al Qaeda, and there is no reliable evidence that Bin Laden was involved in or made his money through drug trafficking."[32]

And this was after the U.S. Central Command reported that in December, 2003 a dhow was intercepted near the straight of Hormuz carrying almost two tons of hashish, valued at up to $10 million dollars. And the Cent Com statement said that there were, and I quote, "clear ties" between the shipment and al Qaeda.[33] If that is true, then why did the 9/11 Report go out of its way to say that there is no evidence of a connection between Bin Laden and drug trafficking?

I want to close this part of my talk on the allegations of Sibel Edmonds. Unfortunately we don't really know what they are because she is under a gag order. That for reasons of state she is not able to tell the public what she told the FBI. She was a whistleblower, who naively did what a whistleblower should do in the name of protecting the American public order, and got fired for it. And she is still fighting to appeal her case. She can't talk, but she has talked here and there. And my friend Daniel Ellsberg is very interested in her case; and very recently he summed up what she is saying for KPFA, my local Pacifica radio station. This is Ellsberg's summary of what Sibel Edmonds is saying:

"Al Qaeda, she's been saying to Congress, is financed 95% by drug money, drug traffic to which the U.S. government shows a blind eye, has been ignoring because it very heavily involves allies and assets of ours, such as Turkey, Kyrayzstan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, Afghanistan - all of the Stans, in a drug traffic where the opium originates in Afghanistan, is processed in Turkey and delivered to Europe where it furnishes 96% of Europe's heroin by Albanians, either in Albania or Kosovo, Albanian muslims in Kosovo, basically the KLA Kosovo Liberation Army (which we backed heavily in that episode at the end of the century, that's last century) – and I will interrupt at this point. In my book, I'm sure I think I quite adequately document that:

A) That the KLA was deeply involved or its leaders were deeply involved in drug trafficking and have used the NATO intervention as a way to consolidate a drug route through Kosovo and that they were very heavily involved with al Qaeda. Al-Zawahiri's brother came to organize KLA things and al-Zawahiri himself may have come to Kosovo

C) At the same time key KLA leaders were allied with PMCs – Private Military Corporations -- notably DynCorp. Those of you who were here last night heard Cynthia McKinney ask about DynCorp – and why the defense department worked with them. There are war crimes attributed to KLA leaders who in Croatia worked hand in glove with DynCorp.

I'm cutting out a lot here that is relevant. But Sibel Edmonds says "Suitcases of cash were delivered to the Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert at his home near Chicago from Turkish sources, knowing that a lot of that is drug money.[34]

These are very serious charges that were aired to some extent in some in Vanity Fair.[35] And they are so important that the media, predictably, ignored them. And I'm drawing attention to what she is saying not because what she is saying can be proven, but these charges are very serious and not just pertinent to 9/11 alone, but to the whole fabric of how this country is run.

I consider this a top priority for testing the honesty and credibility of the new Democratic leadership in Congress. Will they pursue these matters? I hope that by hook or by crook you will try and put pressure on the new Democratic Congress to deal with these matters, so that we get a proper investigation of them for the first time.

And to close this section, whatever is the extent of what she is describing, it's not just her. There was another witness, Indira Singh, who was talking at a 9/11 conference up in Canada; and she said, "I was told that if I mentioned the money to the drugs around 9/11

that would be the end of me." [36]

This is a woman who has nothing to do with Sibel Edmonds, but alluded to the same thing in the background of 9/11. And we need to learn more about that. And I suspect that whatever the situation is, it's something which goes back to at least as far as 1963, and would then explain the same background for the Kennedy assassination.

One thing we can say with confidence: the flow of Afghan heroin west through Turkey is a problem that can be traced back to the CIA's involvement with Pakistan's ISI intelligence service, with the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), and with Islamist Afghan mujahedeen like Gulbuddin Hekmatyar in the 1980s.[37]

DOUBLE-AGENTS: OSWALD

The most important thing I want to do - this is all preliminary stuff – now I get to the real stuff - Double Agents.

In Deep Politics I explored at some length the possibility that Lee Harvey Oswald was, as Silvia Odio had heard, a possible (and this is a quote) "double agent…trying to infiltrate the Dallas Cuban refugee group."[38]

I went back and looked to see what I had to say about this in Deep Politics, and I must say in the light of 9/11, it blew my mind. I'm going to read from my own book, something that I had forgotten.

The preceding chapter considered the possibility that Oswald was associated with anti-Kennedy Cubans in order to investigate them on behalf of a federal agency. But we saw it alleged that Oswald was a double agent collaborating with some of these groups, either (as I suspect) because he or his handlers shared their goals [that is, anti-Kennedy goals], or possibly because he or his handlers had been "turned" by those they were supposed to investigate. Such a possibility was particularly likely with targets, like Alpha 66, about which the government itself was conflicted, of two minds.[39]

Remember that Alpha 66 in early 1963 conducted a series of raids, not just against Cuba, but against Soviet ships in Cuba. It was obviously trying to shipwreck the U S – Soviet understanding on Cuba, and really, in a sense was trying to torpedo the whole Kennedy policy of détente with the Soviet Union. And so there is no ambiguity about the total disapproval of the Justice Department (which cracked down on them and made a public announcement that they had to cease), and also the continuing support for Alpha 66 from the CIA.[40]

Now Waldron says David Atlee Phillips – and I don't know if there really is any evidence on David Phillips in 1963 -- had an Alpha 66 connection at some point.[41] I don't know it was Phillips, but it was certainly a group that was close to Phillips, and may I add, extremely important to this book, the paperback edition of Ultimate Sacrifice.

Let me read one more paragraph from my book Deep Politics:

Here it is relevant that Alpha 66, although anti-Kennedy, was being used operationally by military intelligence. There are signs, though complex and inconclusive, that Oswald's strange and self-incriminating behavior in New Orleans and Dallas was staged to be documented in the secret files of military intelligence.[42]

And here I will summarize this very briefly. I go into how when he is arrested he volunteers – he asks for an FBI agent. (This is an experiment we could all do – get ourselves arrested for a misdemeanor, and then say we'd like the FBI to come and interview us. This is what Oswald did. How many of us are going to get the FBI to come down on Saturday morning to talk to us?)

Well anyway, Oswald had no trouble doing this and he also talked to the police. In both cases he was talking about A. J. Hidell, and in both cases that information ended up somehow, via the FBI agent with Army Intelligence, and via Police Captain Martello with Naval intelligence. So Oswald was enriching the files on himself in a way that would lead to his death in Dallas in November 1963.[43]

Well, what is so arresting about the connection here to 9/11?

DOUBLE-AGENTS: ALI MOHAMED

Because I want to talk about another double-agent – an unmistakable and very important one: Ali Mohammad. How many people have heard of the name Ali Mohammad before today? Almost nobody. Well listen to this, as it is important. There is a quite a lot about him on now on my web site because I've been talking about him.

It is striking that he was undeniably working for US Army Special Forces, working with the CIA, almost certainly admitted to this country on a CIA visa, and in his last years certainly working with the FBI. He was actually detained in Canada by the RCMP, and he said, phone this number and you will release me; and they phoned the San Francisco office of the FBI, and sure enough they released him immediately.[44]

And that meant he was able to go to Kenya, photograph the Kenyan embassy, and deliver the photographs personally to Bin Laden, who told Ali Mohammad where to plant the bomb.[45]

And there is this new book: in fact it arrived the day before I caught a plane to come to Dallas, so I haven't had a very good read of it, but I've been following Peter Lance. It is Peter Lance's book, Triple Cross – How Bin Laden's Master Spy [that's Ali Mohammad] Penetrated the CIA, the Green Berets and the FBI and Why Patrick Fitzgerald Failed to Stop Him.

This is a very interesting story and there's quite a lot more on my web site.[46] What is particularly important here is that Ali Mohamed was not only protected under the George W. Bush administration - but from as early as 1990 when the FBI SOG Special Operations Group in New York photographed him training terrorists in terrorist activities – sharp shooting, etc.

I'm going to name the names of some of his disciples,[47] and you can remember them for sixty seconds and then you can forget them:

El Sayyid Nosair, who went on to murder Meir Kahane, the Jewish racist, almost immediately, was trained in sharp shooting by Ali Mohammad;

Mohammed Salameh, who went on to participate in the first WTC bombing in 1993; and finally there's a man called (Clement) Rodney Hampton-El, who is the one American-born black Muslim in the group, who clearly had Army backing. He was allowed to go to Fort Belvoir, and an Army major gave him a list of Muslims in the US Army whom he could recruit to go to Bosnia.[48]

Mohamed trained these Islamists to fight in Afghanistan. So you might say: Well of course we were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan, so it makes sense that it was okay for them to approve this kind of activity. The problem is the Soviets had totally withdrawn from Afghanistan by early 1989, and all of this training was going on in late 1989-90, at a time when the U.S. government, to paraphrase what I just said about 1963, was of two minds about what to do in Afghanistan.

Remember that Gorbachev was now the President of Russia, and that the State Department, and I believe the White House, attached a lot of importance from Reagan's last years on to working with the Soviet Union.

The man the Soviets left in charge of Kabul, I think his name is Najibullah,[49] said publicly, in effect, "You may not like me in the West, but I'm the best you are going to get, and if you get rid of me you will have a nation of drug traffickers," which is essentially what we now have de facto in Afghanistan. His prediction was entirely correct. The CIA was way off base here.

The CIA were backing Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who some people call the leading heroin trafficker in the world, to get rid of this secular, anti-Islamist government in Kabul, which we would I think, we would pay an awful lot of money to get back at this stage as preferable to what we have.

Meanwhile a State Department official, Edmund McWilliams, objected that "Pakistani intelligence and Hekmatyar were dangerous allies," and that the United States was making an important mistake by endorsing ISI's puppet Afghan interim government.[50] But Ali Mohamed's training, both in Afghanistan and later around New York, was precisely designed to strengthen the Arab Afghans in Brooklyn who intended to go support Hekmatyar.[51]

So this is a conflicted program and the fact that Ali Mohammad was doing it, earned him high-level protection. And there is so much I'm not telling you about how he was actually flying to Afghanistan and fighting while he was on the U S Army payroll, which is a definite no-no. And his commanding officer didn't like it, but there was nothing he could do about it because Ali Mohammad was apparently being directed by another agency.[52] And you can only guess what that other agency would have been.

Well anyway, the new book by Peter Lance confirms that Ali Mohammed was one of al Qaeda's top trainers in terrorism –yes, top trainers in terrorism, including top training in hijacking: how to bring on box cutters, where to sit in the plane.[53] (And that's not against the Soviets, because you couldn't hijack a Soviet plane, because no civilians ever got on a Soviet plane in Afghanistan.)

Mohamed has also been called one of the primary sources for the infamous Aug. 6, 2001, Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) entitled `Bin Laden Determined To Strike In U.S.'"[54] At the heart of that August 6 PDB was unmistakably a disguised double reference to Mohamed himself.[55]

To sum up: Mohamed was a top trainer. He was an operative for the CIA and the Army, and in my book I write that in 1990 his trainees intended to help the CIA support the drug trafficker Hekmatyar in Afghanistan, even after the Soviets withdrew.

Back in 1990 the FBI knew these people were involved in conspiratorial activity. As I said, they photographed, they videotaped Ali Mohamed training these people. Then very shortly afterwards, Nosair went out and shot Meir Kahane, and because of his own lack of cool, ended up being shot himself and arrested.[56]

The police and the FBI told the public that he was, and we've heard this kind of language before, a "lone, deranged gunman."[57] who, and this is the FBI speaking, "acted alone."[58]

Here you have a guy who was part of a tolerated conspiracy, and when it went public, - I don't think they anticipated the killing of Kahane, that is their response.

First of all they knew he wasn't alone because they had film of him training these other people. All of his trainees were members of the al-Kifah Center in Brooklyn, which served as the main American recruitment center for the network, which after the Afghanistan war, became known as al Qaeda. And it has been said that the murder of Kahane was the first al Qaeda attack in America.

The al-Kifah Center was headed at the time, by the Blind Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, who like Ali Mohamed, had been admitted to the US on a CIA visa, despite being on a State Department watch list.[59] And as he had done earlier in Egypt, he issued a fatwa that permitted his followers to rob banks and kill Jews.[60]

Now in November 1990, three of Mohamed's trainees conspired together to kill Meir Kahane, the racist founder of the Jewish Defense League. The actual killer, El Sayyid Nosair, was caught by accident almost immediately; and by luck the police soon found his two co-conspirators, Mahamud Abouhalima and Mohammed Salameh, waiting at Nosair's apartment.

So they had the other two conspirators, and this is also what they found at Nosair's house, and I am quoting,

There were formulas for bomb making, 1,440 rounds of ammunition, and manuals from the John F. Special Warfare Center at Fort Bragg marked 'Top Secret for Training' [May I say those manuals were supplied by Ali Mohamed – the double-agent, and became the basis for the al Qaeda's own manual, which was mostly written by double-agent Mohamed] along with classified documents belonging to the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff. The police found maps and drawings of New York City landmarks like the Statue of Liberty, Times Square – and the World Trade Center. The forty-seven boxes of evidence they collected also included the collected sermons of blind Sheikh Omar, in which he exhorted his followers to "destroy the edifices of capitalism."[61]

So all three – Nosair. Abouhalima and Salameh -- had been trained by Mohamed.The FBI had photographed them, and if they had moved on and seized all three of them we probably would not have had the first World Trade Center bombing. And we almost certainly would not have had the so called Landmarks Conspiracy, where there was a plot to blow up other landmarks you just heard mentioned, like the Statue of Liberty.

The police on the case thought at the beginning that they were facing a conspiracy.[62] And yet only hours after the killing, Joseph Borelli, Chief of NYPD detectives, struck a familiar American note and pronounced Nosair a "lone deranged gunman." And some time later, he actually told the press - and this is the real giveaway, that "There was nothing at Nosair's house, nothing that would stir your imagination. Nothing has transpired that changes our opinion that he acted alone."[63]

So if 47 boxes of incriminating evidence is remembered by this man as "nothing," then he either has an astonishingly bad memory, or that this is how the US law enforcement system treats people who are marginally attached to intelligence operations, covert operations, even controversial operations which are opposed by other elements of the US government.[64]

Now Borelli himself was not acting alone in this matter. His position was also that of the FBI, who said they too believed "that Mr. Nosair had acted alone in shooting Rabbi Kahane." "The bottom line is that we can't connect anyone else to the Kahane shooting," an FBI agent said.[65]

So there is an MO here. And I want to go back to what I was saying at the very beginning. To end up having a unsolvable crime, somebody has pre-selected a candidate or candidates. And the ideal pre-selected candidate will be one about whom the truth will never emerge, because of the candidate's controversial involvement in previous covered-up operations. This will guarantee that an institutional cover-up, already in place, will be extended to cover the new crime, even if it is a major one.

Oswald was one such pre-selected candidate, Those conspiratorially involved with Ali Mohamed and with 9/11 would also seem to fit the same description. That is what struck me most when I went back to compare the two events, or meta-events.

I should make clear that with respect to 9/11, I have certain knowledge of only one fact: that there has been and continues to be a massive cover-up. I have not yet assimilated the earlier cover-up of Ali Mohamed in 1990 into my theory of what happened in 2001. But I commend this to you as something which merits further investigation.

In this talk I'm not getting into the question of conspiracy. But of course there has to be a conspiracy theory about 9/11.You cannot say 9/11 was someone acting alone. To avoid a serious "conspiracy theory," the best you can come up with is something like "19 lone nuts acting together."

Just in case you don't remember it, the FBI identified these names before 10 o'clock on that morning. And within two weeks there were five, six or seven people, in various places (nearly all turned out to be pilots, by the way) who said, "That's my name; yes, I went to that flight school;" two or three even said "that's my photograph that was published." But they also said "it's not me," and you had to sympathize with their logic: "it's not me because I'm still here and I'm still alive." And it was bad enough that the Saudi government officially protested to the United States government. In response to these problems, FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on September 20, 2001, that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers was in doubt.[66]

How many of you have looked at the 9/11 Report? You're a virgin audience here. The 9/11 Report has a great deal to say about the 19 hijackers, but it's never hinted that there had ever been a shadow of suspicion as to who they really are. Which is just one of the many indications this was not a very profound investigation.

And like the Warren Commission Report, they already knew were they had to end up because it had been pre-defined for them. They already knew. But it is the combination I want you to think about. The predesignated culprit or culprits, are in a sense unpursuable because they were part of an operation. Which in the case of 9/11 is a scandal. I mean these people could have been stopped back in 1990 and weren't.

And I haven't gone into the Patrick Fitzgerald part of it. This is a very important book by the way, Triple Cross. And he has another book, A Thousand Years for Revenge, which is almost as important.

My final words, are words that I have said I think on many occasions, and is a propos on many subjects.

That when we look at something like the JFK Assassination or 9/11, throw in the Iran-Contra – or the bombing of Letelier, we are looking at meta-events. Meta-events, unlike most events, are not treated normally in the U S press; but are what John [Judge] called this morning a hidden history. And they are reserved for a special kind of treatment, and that requires, among other things, a special kind of audience, people like you.

Because we stumble upon it somewhere, in this case with JFK, we are open to the fact that it happens elsewhere. And like I said before and will say so again, and my final words to you is to understand any of these events in real depth, you have to go beyond bullet angles at Dealey Plaza, and films from the same place, and look at what is on-going in this country.

And I'll remind you again of the possible involvement of the drug traffic. And to get to any kind of level where we can cope and deal with these kinds of problems in our country, we have to see the continuity and deal with it every time it surfaces.

Because if we don't deal with it this time, and we probably won't, it will surface again.

Thank you very much.

[1] My thanks to Bill Kelly for transcribing this talk and making the text available on line.

[2] WR 5. Brennan subsequently failed to pick out Oswald in a police line-up (Sylvia Meagher, Accessories After the Fact [Mary Ferrell Foundation Press, 2006], 10-13, 78n).

[3] Richard A. Clarke, Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terrorism (New York: Simon & Schuster, 2004), 13-14.

[4] William Norman Grigg, "Did We Know What Was Coming?" New American, 3/11/02, http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/03-...5_didweknow.htm.

[5] Lamar Waldron, with Thom Hartmann, Ultimate Sacrifice (New York: Carroll and Graf, 2006), 74, 170.

[6] Before giving the talk I had already discussed WHCA documents with Rex Bradford, the only person to raise his hand at the conference in response to my question.

[7] 9/11 Report, 41.

[8] 9/11 Report, 40.

[9] Discussion in David Ray Griffin, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions (Northampton, MA: Olive Branch Press/Interlink, 2004), 220-23..

[10] Clarke, Against All Enemies, 8; 9/11 Report, 38. The two accounts agree about Air Force One and COG, but not about the planes (Clarke: "tell the Pentagon they have authority from the President to shoot down hostile aircraft;" 9/11 Report: "The White House requested…a fighter combat air patrol over Washington, D.C.")

[11] See James Mann, Rise of the Vulcans (New York: Viking, 2004), 138-45, 295-96.

[12] 9/11 Report, 41.

[13] 9/11 Report, 40.

[14] Commission Chairman Thomas Kean later complained that "The phone logs don't exist, because they evidently got so fouled up in communications that the phone logs have nothing. So that's the evidence we have." "There's no documentary evidence here," added Vice-Chairman Lee Hamilton. "The only evidence you have is the statements of the president and vice president" (9/11 Commission, Hearing of 6/17/04, http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hear...2004-06-17.pdf).

[15] "Most Americans have heard of the '18 minute gap' in a Nixon Presidential tape--the erasure was part of a cover-up for which Nixon was driven from office. But few know of the erasure of a 1963 conversation between President Lyndon Johnson and FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, a call recorded less than 24 hours after the murder of President Kennedy. This new documentary short, The Fourteen Minute Gap, relates Rex Bradford's discovery of the erasure, initial denials by the LBJ Library, and his failed attempt to get the story into the national media" (Rex Bradford, "The Fourteen Minute Gap," http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/...een_Minute_Gap).

[16] Supporting evidence for the 9/11 Report is scheduled for release on January 2, 2009. See 9/11 Commission, Media Advisory, 8/20/04, http://www.9-11commission.gov/press/pr_2004-08-20a.pdf; Thomas H., Kean, and Lee H. Hamilton, with Benjamin Rhodes, Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission (New York: Knopf, 2006), 312: "All of our records were transferred to the National Archives, with an agreement that they would be made public at the beginning of 2009."

[17] Peter Dale Scott, "Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps," Pacific News Service, 2/8/06, http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=eed74d9d44c30493706fe03f4c9b3a77:

Censored 2007: The Top 25 Censored Stories (New York: Seven Stories Press, 2006)

[18] In the 1990s the Assassination Records Review Board attempted to obtain from the WHCA the unedited original tapes of conversations from Air Force One on the return trip from Dallas, November 22, 1963. (Edited and condensed versions of these tapes had been available since the 1970s from the LBJ Library in Austin.) The attempt was unsuccessful: "The Review Board's repeated written and oral inquiries of the White House Communications Agency did not bear fruit. The WHCA could not produce any records that illuminated the provenance of the edited tapes." See Assassinations Records Review Board, Final Report, Chapter 6, Part 1, 116, http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/revie...er-06-part1.pdf.

[19] "The Review Board's repeated written and oral inquiries of the White House Communications Agency did not bear fruit. The WHCA could not produce any records that illuminated the provenance of the edited tapes." See Assassinations Records Review Board, Final Report, Chapter 6, Part 1, 116, http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/revie...er-06-part1.pdf.

[20] NARA Record 172-10001-10003 (11/22/63), WHCA statement, "Dallas.": "Direct communication set up immediately between Agent directly outside of emergency room [in Highland Hospital] and Mr. Behn [special Agent in Charge, White House Secret Service detail] in his office in Washington which became the Washington Command Post and clearing house."

[21] NARA Record 172-10001-10003 (11/22/63), WHCA statement, "Dallas."

[22] Peter Dale Scott, Deep Politics and the Death of JFK (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1998), 273-74, 277-78; quoting 23 WH 841, "cut all traffic for the ambulance going to Parkland."

[23] Scott, Deep Politics, 273-74, 277-78.

[24] Waldron, Ultimate Sacrifice, 513-15, 525-26, 647-48, 785-86, etc.

[25] Ann Louise Bardach, Washington Post, 11/12/06, http://www.bardachreports.com/articles/wp_20061112new.html: Posada had complained "of the U.S. media's reluctance to believe reports about a series of bombings in Cuba, which he hoped would scare tourists and investors away from Castro's island." Cf. New York Times, 7/12-13/98.

[26] Quoted by Al Giordano, Narco News Bulletin, 6/21/05, http://www.narconews.com/Issue38/article1354.html.

[27] http://www.state.gov/p/inl/narc/rewards/47900.htm

[28] In August 2003, the Miami bureau of the FBI made the startling decision to close its case on Posada. Subsequently, according to the FBI, several boxes of evidence were removed from the bureau's evidence room. Since then, in change of heart, Justice Department has reopened the case, by pursuing, not Posada, but the files of the NYT reporter (Ann Louise Bardach) who interviewed him. She fought back with a report on her problems in the Washington Post (11/12/06): "Justice Department …struck a plea deal for about two years in prison for Posada's comrades Santiago Alvarez and Osvaldo Mitat, who had been facing up to 50 years in prison for the illegal possession of hundreds of firearms." Santiago Alvarez, formerly of Comandos L, is one of the Cuban terrorists who pledged participation in the Revolutionary Junta of Paulino Sierra Martinez, whose connection to the JFK assassination is discussed by Robert Blakey and myself (Deep Politics, 89-90, 329-30).

[29] Bardach, Washington Post, 11/12/06.

[30] Bardach, Washington Post, 11/12/06.

[31] "Evidence Presented to the British Parliament, 4th October 2001," Los Angeles Times, 10/4/01. Cf. e.g. Minneapolis Star-Tribune, 9/30/01; Asia Times, 12/8/01; New York Times, 10/4/01, 10/11/01;

San Francisco Chronicle, 10/4/01. For further documentation, see Peter Dale Scott, Drugs, Oil, and War [Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield, 2003], 32, 36.

[32] 9/11 Report, 171,

[33] "US `seizes al-Qaeda drugs ship'," BBC News, 12/19/03.

[34] Daniel Ellsberg with Kris Welch, KPFA, 8/26/06, http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/10/e...ases-of-al.html.

[35] Vanity Fair, September 2005.

[36] Indira Singh testimony, 9/11 Citizen's Commission, 128, http://www.justicefor911.org/September-Hearings.doc.

[37] Scott, Drugs, Oil, and War, 27-58.

[38] Scott, Deep Politics and the Death of JFK, 252; quoting Lucille Connell, 26 WH 738.

[39] Scott, Deep Politics and the Death of JFK, 257.

[40] Hinckle and Turner, Deadly Deceits, 173-76.

[41] Waldron, Ultimate Sacrifice, 187-88.

[42] Scott, Deep Politics, 257.

[43] Scott, Deep Politics, 257-58.

[44] Peter Lance, Triple Cross (New York: Regan/HarperCollins, 2006), 123-25.

[45] Lawrence Wright, The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11 (new York: Knopf, 2006), 198.

[46] http://www.peterdalescott.net/q.html.

[47] Lance, Triple Cross, 47-51.

[48] United States v. Omar Ahmad Ali Abdel Rahman et al., Federal Court, SDNY, 15629-30, 15634-35, 15654, 15667-68, 15671, 15673; Kohlmann, Al-Qaida's Jihad, 72-74; J.M. Berger, "Al Qaeda Recruited U.S. Servicemen: Testimony Links Plot To Saudi Gov't," Intelwire.com, http://intelwire.egoplex.com/hamptonel010604.html. In my talk, I said erroneously that Hampton-El was recruiting for Afghanistan.

[49] I mistakenly said "Rabbani." I have corrected my spoken text in this section to present my argument more accurately.

[50] Steve Coll, Ghost Wars (New York: Penguin Press, 2004), 196; cf. 197-202.

[51] Cf. Lance, Triple Cross, 20, 66.

[52] Cf. Lance, Triple Cross, 43: "Ali Mohamed defied his commanding officer and prepared to go [to Afghanistan] anyway. At that point, it seems clear that he was serving two sets of masters at Bragg."

[53] Lance, Triple Cross, 365, 382; J.M. Berger [ed.], Ali Mohamed: An Intelwire Sourcebook (Intelwire Press, 2006), 14; cf. Lawrence Wright, The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11 (New York: Knopf, 2006), 181.

[54] J.M. Berger, "Unlocking 9/11: Paving the Road to 9/11," IntelWire, http://intelwire.egoplex.com/unlocking911-1-ali-mohamed-911.html. FBI Agent Cloonan said on the National Geographic Show that "If you look at the six- or seventeen sentences that are in there, from what I've seen, all that information came from Ali. "National Geographic Presents Triplecross;" Berger, Ali Mohamed, 20. But Cloonan's statement exaggerates; one section of the PDB is clearly from Millennium plotter Ahmed Ressam.

[55] 9/11 Report, 261-62: "Al-Qa'ida members -- including some who are U.S. citizens -- have resided in or traveled to the U.S. for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks. Two al-Qa'ida members found guilty in the conspiracy to bomb our embassies in East Africa were U.S. citizens, and a senior EIJ [Egyptian Islamic Jihad] member lived in California in the mid-1990s." Ali Mohamed is simultaneously one of the two found guilty in the embassies plot (the other was his friend Wadih el Hage), and also the EIJ member who lived in California.

[56] Lance, Triple Cross, 56-58.

[57] Newsday, 11/8/90; quoted in Peter Lance, 1000 Years for Revenge (New York: Regan Books, 2003), 35.

[58] New York Times, 12/16/90.

[59] Rahman was issued two visas, one of them "by a CIA officer working undercover in the consular section of the American embassy in Sudan" (Peter L. Bergen, Holy War, Inc.: Inside the Secret World of Osama bin Laden [New York: Free Press, 2001], 67). FBI consultant Paul Williams writes that Ali Mohamed "settled in America on a visa program controlled by the CIA" (Paul L. Williams, Al Qaeda: Brotherhood of Terror [upper Saddle River, NJ]: Alpha/ Pearson Education, 2002], 117).

[60] Wright, The Looming Tower, 177.

[61] Lance, 1000 Years, 34. Cf. John Miller and Michael Stone, with Chris Mitchell, The Cell (New York: Hyperion, 2003), 45.

[62] Miller and Stone, The Cell, 43: "Nosair, the NYPD had already learned, had apparently not acted alone…Lieutenant Eddie Norris…seemed to be looking at a conspiracy involving three and possibly more assassins."

[63] New York Times, 11/8/90; Robert I. Friedman, Village Voice, 3/30/93.

[64] John Miller, who went on to be the assistant director of public affairs for the FBI (Lance, Triple Cross, 115), blames the culture of the NYPD: "The previling theory in the NYPD was, `Don't make waves.'…So in the Nosair case, when Chief Borelli turned a blind eye to the obvious, he was merely remaining true to the culture of the NYPD" (The Cell, 44-45.) Miller's unlikely explanation suppresses the relevant fact that the FBI turned a blind eye to the obvious as well.

[65] New York Times, 12/16/90.

[66] BBC, 9/23/01; Newsday, 9/21/01; Paul Thompson, The Terror Timeline: Year by Year, Day by Day, Minute by Minute (NewYork: HarperCollins/Regan Books, 2004), 498.

Edited December 20, 2006 by William Kelly

[William Kelly]

Bill Kelly comments:

Among the Same Players in multible-Meta-Events are the CIA officers and Cubans involved in Guatemala Coup of '54, Bay of Pigs, JFK, Watergate and Iran-Contra; and as Robert Howard points out – the role of Texan Presidents LBJ and Bush and their corporate patrons – Brown & Root/Haliburton.

In addition, as I read Peter Lance's Triple Cross, I notice other common themes of Meta-Events

A- The destruction of records – LHO's DOD files (HSCA) and Able Danger records;

B- The use of religious orgs to monitor and fund operations – Dallas Russian Orthodox Church Parish and Brooklyn mosque for al Qaeda.

C- Use of Training Manuals – LHO's USMC training manual, given to NO DRE's Carlos Bruinguier (Who recently had it for sale on the internet for hundreds of thousands of dollars, when it should be evidence in a homicide) and Ali Mohamad's Special Ops manuals found in Nosair's apartment after assassination of Kahane;

D- Official military training at specialized schools, specifically Ft. Bragg for Special Ops for Bay of Pigs vets and Ali Mohamid; and Monteray (Defense) Language Institute (DLI), per LHO and three of 9/11 hijackers;

E- Unofficial field weapons training at Lake Ponchartrain/Long Island site;

F- Pre-Op Phone Spike in Middle Managers – Jack Ruby's phone records and al Qaeda's phone patch network phone records;

G- The Northwood plans to spark invasion of Cuba and JFK; and Tonkin Gulf for LBJ and Vietnam; 9/11 excuse to invade Afghanistan and phantom WMD in Iraq;

H- Photo Recon – LHO and Walker Shooting; Ali Moh and Kenya Embassies;

I- Dry Runs – Walker Shooting and attack on Stevenson in Dallas; 9/11 Bojinka and Flight 800;

J- Original honorable discharges from military belatedly changed to other than honorable for LHO and Ali M.

K- LHO and Ali M kept wives out of ops; unlike EHH.

L- LHO and Ali M had FBI SA monitors who weren't control agents.

M- Other ?

Edited December 20, 2006 by William Kelly

[William Kelly]

Bill Kelly's Comments on PDS Dallas COPA Talk –

In – The JFK Assassination and 9/11 – Lessons Learned from Studying Both – Peter Dale Scott describes Meta-Events "as events that the information system of the country cannot digest," and "Meta-History" as "the sum of events which tend to be officially obscured or even suppressed," and cites examples such as the political assassinations of the 1960s, Watergate, the Letelier assassination, Iran-Contra and 9/11.

Scott describes certain external attributes, like the official and media cover-up, and overlapping internal attributes such as common players in multiple-Meta-Events, mentioning Frank Forini Sturgis and E. Howard Hunt, who play roles in both the JFK assassination and Watergate dramas.

There are numerous other common participants in such events, notably the CIA officials involved in Guatemala (1954) and Cuba (1959-1963) and the Bay of Pigs veterans, who resurface in the JFK assassination, Watergate, Letelier assassination and Iran-Contra.

There are also the strategic roles of Texan presidents, and their ties to the same corporate patrons – particularly Brown & Root/Haliburton, (as Dallas researcher Robert Howard points out) and others (Bell Hellicopter, Collins Radio, etc.). There is also the Northwoods plan, developed to spark and invasion of Cuba and used with Dealey Plaza, Tonkin Gulf; with it's contemporary parallels being 9/11 and Afghanstian and the phantom WMD used as a pretext to invade Iraq.

Scott talks about other internal characteristics of Meta-Events, like Pre-designated culprit(s), Backchannel WHCA communicaitons, Double-Agents and Drugs, each of which has additional overlapping similarities that are worth bringing out to develop further insights from each. As PDS mentions, these overlapping common attributes of Meta-Events present areas that should be further investigated.

As for Pre-Designated Culprets, "It is better to choose the culprits than to seek them out," Mathew Smith quotes Marcel Pagnol [ in his book Conspiracy-The Plot to Stop the Kennedys (Citadel Press/Kenisington Pub., 2005, p. 171)].

While Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) is probably one of the most well known and studied Pre-Designated Culprets of all time, few people have ever heard of Ali Mohamad (Ali Moh), the primary subject of Peter Lance's book Triple Cross, and the parallels worth comparing between LHO and Ali Moh, at least in their operational lives are striking and worth detailing.

A – Official Training. Both Lee Harvey Oswald and Ali Mohamad were trained at official U.S. Military instillations – LHO at USMC and was somehow affiliated with the Monteray Language Institute (now the Defense Language Institute), where three of the 9/11 hijackers matriculated; while Ali Mohamad was trained in special operations at Fort Bragg, where the Bay of Pigs veterans were reprocessed into US Army.

B – Unofficial Training. Both LHO and Ali Mo also participated in unofficial field weapons training (LHO in CAP, and Lake Ponchartrain), while Ali Mo trained the first al Qaeda cell in USA. According to Peter Lance, "Mohamed's gun training exercises took place at five separate ranges in upstate New York, Connecticut, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. But the best-documented sessions occurred over four successive Sundays in July 1989. After meeting up at the storefront office of the Brooklyn Alkifah Center at 552 Atlantic Avenue, a group of 'brothers' loaded cases of ammo and duffle bags filled with semi-automatic weapons into a series of vehicles. Heading off to the Long Island Expressway, they would drive for more than an hour out to Exit 71 near the township of Brookhaven on the North Shore. There, at a ninety-one acre undeveloped sand pit known as Calverton Shooting Range, the men disembarked and began destroying paper targets with pistols and machine guns." Some of these sessions were filmed by the NYPD [PL TC, p.48-49].

C – Use of Training Manuals. Both LHO and Ali Mo utilized and exchanged official U.S. military training manuals, LHO memorizing his brother's USMC training manual while giving his own USMC manual to the New Orleans DRE leader Carlos Bringuier, who like Sylvia Odio in Dallas, suspected LHO of being a double-agent.

D – Requests FBI when Arrested. When arrested, both LHO in New Orleans and Ali Mo in Canada, asked local police to call the FBI. In LHO's case, information supplied to the police ended up in his military file, ostensibly, as PDS points out, because of local police affiliation with US Army Reserves. This needs to be explored much further in regards to LHO. For Ali Mo, the FBI sprung him free.

E – FBI Informants - In both cases, Special FBI Agents (Hosty and Zent) were monitoring movements, interviewing and filing information on subjects, but failed to recognize the significance of these men and what they were actually doing, and were possibly distracted by other cases they were working on.

As Lance explains in Triple Cross, the FBI has two types of such subjects – informants and operators. "The FBI has different rules for various types of informants. There are 'informational' assets, who simply provide intelligence, and 'operational' assets like Emad Salem, who are tasked to accomplish a mission. The rules governing them are contained in the Bureau's Manual of Administration and Operation (MAOP)." [Peter Lance, Triple Cross (PL TC), p. 96].

F – Church Fronts - In both cases, religious organizations were used to coordinate and funnel funds – in Dallas via the CIA finacned Russian Orthodox Church parish who took in Oswald and his family upon their return from USSR, and in Brooklyn at the mosque of the Blind Sheik, who entered the country with a CIA issued passport.

G – Check Cashing Mail Drops. In New Orleans LHO cashed checks at a neighborhood Quick-Stop, one check cashed days after he had left town for good. Peter Lance discovered a similar check cashing-mail drop used in North New Jersey, near one of mosques of Omar Abdel Rahman, the Blind Sheik.

H – Foreign Born Wives. Both LHO and Ali Mo attempted to keep their wives, out of their covert operational activities (unlike E. Howard Hunt and others who marry co-working spies), but used their foreign born status to tactical advantage.

I – Photo Recon & Dry Runs. Both LHO and Ali Mo conducted photo recon of targets – LHO photographing Walker house and neighborhood, while Ali Mo did the same for Kenya embassy, then showed the photos to Osama Bin Laden, who pointed out where to park the truck bomb, and both the Dealey Plaza operation and 9/11 included dry runs, the Walker shooting and the Bojinka unsucccessful test trials.

J – Lone Nut, No Conspiracy. And as PDS mentions, there are numerous similarities in the official investigations of the assassination of President Kennedy and Rabbi Meier Kahane, including the "lone deranged gunman" cover-up and the "boxes" of evidence taken from the apartments of the pre-selected culprits which, if followed up by a normal police investigation, would have led to the accessories and actual perpetrators. [see: JFK- Mrs. Paine's Garage contents; and Kahane's assassin, El Sayyid Nosair, whose apartment contained records including Ali Mo's Special Ops Training Manuals from Fort Bragg].

K – Phone-Spike. In both the case of the assassination of JFK and 9/11, investigators quickly noted the Phone Spike in telephone calls – by Jack Ruby in the weeks leading up to the assassination [see: HSCA], and al Qaeda's Yousef, who "…was repeatedly seen by witnesses using the phone near the Pamrapo Avenue Apartment. The phone bill for all of Yousef's calls during this period was in excess of eighteen thousand dollars as he telephoned contacts in the Middle East, Pakistan, Turkey, and Yugoslavia." [PL, TC, p. 111]

L – Destruction of Records. In the case of LHO and Able Danger – which led to the identification of Ali Mo's al Qaeda cell in USA before 9/11, both of the relevant files were destroyed by the DOD. The DOD informed the HSCA that it had routinely destroyed LHO's military file, while Lance reports, "By April 2000, officials at the Pentagon ordered that the 2.5 terabytes of al Qaeda gold mined by the Able Danger unit at LIWA should be destroyed. When that happened, a year and a half before the 9/11 attacks, the dots weren't disconnected, they were obliterated." [PL, TC, p. 342].

Another 9/11 case of destroyed official records is that of the FAA tapes of the oral reports of FAA air traffic controllers made on 9/11, and personally destroyed by the FAA official who had them made. [see: 9/11 Report.]

M – M is for Mafia. In both the Kennedy assassination and 9/11, we have the government turning to the Mafia – the CIA contract to kill Castro on the one hand, and in 9/11 with Gregory Scarpa, Jr., the Columbo family wiseguy who became a prison informant on Bassem Youssef, then blackmailing against the government. [PL TC, p. 226-227].

N – Philippines PNP Interrogations of Suspects. Before being captured in Pakistan, Youssef accidently set off a fire in the Phillipines bomb factory apartment. While he escaped, his computer and Abdul Hakim Murad was captured and interrogated in the same way as JFK assassination suspect Luis Angel Castillo before being turned over to the FBI. [PL TC, p. 178-179 / for LAC see: Operation Mind Control ] .

O – Army Reserves liaison with local PD. Both LHO and Ali Moh had military reserve records after being discharged, their original honorable discharge later, belatedly changed to other than honorable – "undesirable" in the case of LHO (an illogical classification since you can't be found undesirable after already having left). LHO's classification was changed after his defection to USSR, and the official maintainance of that classification could indicate his still-active undercover status.

Of all the items discussed, I think the role of the Army Reserves in the local municipal police and fire departments (New Orleans, Dallas and NYC). PDS mentions the suspected role of the NOPD army reserve officers in the development of the LHO file.

There is also the role, as detailed by Col. Jones (HSCA testimony), of Army Reserve officers in the Dallas PD. This association, besides showing how the description of the Pre-designated culprit – LHO possibly came from military files, also explains how the DPD obtained the address of Mrs. Paine's Irving home, which did not come from TSBD records, and other discrepancies in the records.

In regards to Army Reserves/Local PD ties, there is also the strange case of Col. Jose Rivera (USA Reserve), a medical doctor who expressed foreknowledge of LHO's movements and activities in DC, and was previously stationed at Ft. Hood, Texas, where he was associated with Army officers engaged in the identification of demonstrators via photographs and films. [see: A. Edisen ARRB].

In the case of al Qaeda in the USA, we have New York City fire marshal Ronnie Bucca, who Peter Lance says, "…was in an army reserve intelligence detachment, (who) got himself assigned to the Defense Intelligence Analysis Center (DIAC) at Bolling Air Force Base in Washington. There, as he began to examine the intel, he learned that the FBI actually had an informant inside the bombing cell months before the blast, but after a falling out with Bureau advisors, he'd withdrawn. At that point, Yousef was sent to New York by al Qaeda. His 1,500 pond, urea-nitrate-fuel oil bomb, driven to the Towers in a yellow Ryder truck, killed six and injured one thousand….Bucca also made a shocking discovery: An accountant who appeared to be an al Qaeda mole had been working inside the FDNY. The man, an Egyptian American and an intimate of the radical cleric Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, had obtained the blueprints for the WTC from the NYFD back in 1992 – a year before the Trade Center bombing." [Lance, TC p. xiv] (Also Note: Boccas died in the WTC on 9/11).

These examples may suggest that the relevant records reflecting the sharing of information between the military intelligence agencies and the local police may be found in the files of the U.S. Army Reserves.

On a final common note, it is interesting that both Jack Revell, the head of the Dallas Police Intelligence Unit, responsible for liaison with FBI and military intelligence, and former ABC reporter John Miller (The Cell), were rewarded for their work with FBI jobs.

Each of these areas of interest are ripe for further research in both cases, which if developed properly, can possibly answer pertinent questions and give more clear insight into an understanding of all such Meta-Events.

xxxyyyzzz

Edited December 24, 2006 by William Kelly

[William Kelly]

Here is an interesting article by Peter Lance on the media machinations about his new book, mentioned by PDS, "Tripple Cross."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-lance/...-t_b_35286.html

Thanks for calling attention to that article Nate.

I sent Peter Lance PDS's talk and he responded.

Maybe he'll join us and answer some questions.

I will also try to get Peter DS back after the holidays.

Am writing a review of Triple Cross and am transcribing the Q & A now.

BK

Merry Christmas Everybody.

I'm still working.

11.30.2006

NY Post Kills Triple Cross Review by an Angry Ex-Fed

This is one item guaranteed not to appear in Page Six, the edgy gossip column that is the single reason most educated New Yorkers buy The New York Post. Yesterday, after a Post editor agreed to run a review of my new book TRIPLE CROSS in their Sunday edition, Bob McManus, editor of the editorial page abruptly cancelled the review.

This after editor-in-chief Col Allan, an Aussie and close friend of owner Rupert Murdoch, learned that the author of the "review" was none other than Andrew C. McCarthy, a former Assistant U.S. Attorney in the SDNY who I indicted in the book for failing to stop al Qaeda's master spy Ali Mohamed.

McCarthy had already shot from the hip with an attack on TRIPLE CROSS when I appeared on The O'Reilly Factor the night the book hit the stores. The 670-page work had barely been on the shelves of Barnes & Noble when McCarthy fired off this invective, which The Factor featured on screen:

"This (book) is scurrilously presented. Everything he says we were hiding about Ali Mohamed was presented in open court. It is represented in the book in a widely disingenuous way, relying on convicted terrorists and convicted murderers as sources."

When The Post's Books editor Abby Wisse Schachter, confirmed in writing that McCarthy would author a Sunday Op Ed page piece on TRIPLE CROSS, I wrote to Allan and ask for equal space. After all, from a sister News Corp. subsidiary to Fox News - which we know is always "fair and balanced," a chance to counter McCarthy's vitriol in the same forum was the fairest way to get a more complete vetting of my findings.

I also noted for editor-in-chief Allan that McCarthy's invective, aired nationally on Fox News, was not only inaccurate, but met the "malice" definition as enunciated in The New York Times vs. Sullivan -- the landmark defamation case that holds writers liable for a "reckless disregard for the truth." McCarthy was not only stung by my critical coverage of him and the Southern District prosecutor's office in the book, he was also wrong in alleging that I relied on "terrorists and convicted murderers as sources."

As a simple examination of the 32 page Timeline in the middle of the book makes it clear, I interviewed dozens of Government sources including a number of active duty and retired FBI agents. One of the book's principal sources, in fact, was Jack Cloonan, the Special Agent in the FBI's Squad I-49 charged with building a file on Ali Mohamed. It was Cloonan who spent hours with the al Qaeda spy de-briefing him after his 1998 arrest following the East African Embassy bombings which Ali planned five years earlier.

The book also contains 50 pages of end-notes and 30 pages of declassified documents from FBI and Justice Department files. I reviewed more than 40,000 pages of trial transcripts for the SDNY's al Qaeda cases including the "Day of Terror" case prosecuted in 1995 by McCarthy and Patrick Fitzgerald - the DOJ's principal bin Laden "brain," to quote Vanity Fair.

My documentation also includes a treasure trove of al Qaeda-related intelligence documented in a series of FBI #302 memos beginning in March, 1996 which Patrick Fitzgerald and other Feds effectively buried in order to hush up a scandal involving a prominent Supervisory Special Agent named Lin DeVecchio. The move also preserved a series of 60 Mafia cases that were in jeopardy of "unraveling," to quote Federal Judge Jack B. Weinstein.

After I had documented that story in my last book COVER UP, the Brooklyn D.A. indicted DeVecchio on four counts of second degree homicide. - Many of those FBI #302's can be accessed at peterlance.com.

One can understand why McCarthy might react to TRIPLE CROSS like a vampire facing a relic of "the true Cross." These are a few of my findings:

• That Fitzgerald and other top DOJ and FBI officials suppressed those 1996 al Qaeda related FBI #302's which included proof of a liquid-based airliner bomb plot that was a precursor to the August 2006 plot revealed by U.K. authorities. The evidence included proof of an active al Qaeda cell operating in NYC five years before 9/11.

• That Fitzgerald and McCarthy allowed Ali Mohamed to remain an active al Qaeda agent despite the fact that the FBI knew he had sworn allegiance to bin Laden as early as 1993. Mohamed moved the Saudi billionaire from Afghanistan to Sudan in 1991, trained his personal bodyguard in 1994, set up al Qaeda terror camps in Khartoum, and trained the terrorists responsible for the 1993 WTC bombing and Day of Terror plots;

• That after meeting Mohamed face-to-face in 1997, Fitzgerald called him "the most dangerous man I have ever met," and vowed, "We cannot let this man out on the street." Yet for another ten months he allowed Mohamed to remain free, while the al Qaeda spy continued to support the African embassy bombing plot he had set in motion in 1993--after being freed from custody on the word of his FBI control agent.

• That Mohamed had told Fitzgerald that he had "hundreds" of al Qaeda sleepers ready to go "operational" at any time--and yet to this day the FBI has failed to detect them;

• That Mohamed, who wasn't even arrested until a month after the 1998 embassy bombings, remained in U.S. custody for three full years before 9/11. But even after cutting a deal that allowed him to escape the death penalty and enter witness protection, Fitzgerald failed to extract the 9/11 planes-as-missiles plot from Mohamed.

• That as early as 1991 the FBI was aware of Sphinx Trading, a New Jersey mail box store directly linked to al Qaeda, but failed to monitor the location. Fitzgerald and McCarthy had named the store's co-incorporator (Waleed al-Noor) owner as an unindicted coconspirator in the 1995 Day of Terror case. Yet six years later, in July 2001, the FBI blew an extraordinary chance to interdict the 9/11 plot when two of the 9/11 hijackers got their fake IDs at the very same store.

As I noted on the Huffington Post detailing that story on November 17th,

"If the Feds had devoted as much energy to a surveillance of Sphinx as they had to (John Gotti's) Ravenite Social Club, they would have been in the middle of the 9/11 plot months before Black Tuesday."

That's not the kind of revelation, an ex-Fed like McCarthy, would want to see come out, especially since he now devotes much of his time to slamming the Clinton administration's national security blunders as a regular contributor to The National Review Online.

Despite McCarthy's allegation to The Factor that "everything" I said the Feds were "hiding about Ali Mohamed was presented in open court" McCarthy himself had done his level best to make sure that didn't happen. It is undisputed that in December, 1994, after McCarthy and Fitzgerald added Ali Mohamed's name to that unindicted co-conspirators list, McCarthy flew to California with an FBI agent and had a personal face-to-face sit down with al Qaeda's chief spy.

At the time, defense attorney Roger L. Stavis was searching the globe for Mohamed, whom he wanted to testify in the upcoming "Day of Terror" case. With Ali on the stand, Stavis hoped to expose the cozy relationship between the U.S. Government and the ex-Egyptian Army officer turned Green Beret infiltrator and FBI informant.

This is how I described the incident in TRIPLE CROSS:

"Now, with Stavis seeking Mohamed's testimony, prosecutor Andrew McCarthy was worried. At that point, no one outside the Bureau or the SDNY knew that Ali had been an FBI informant. McCarthy could only guess what the former army sergeant might say if he got on the stand under oath in open court.

"If Ali would have been put on [the stand] at that point in time, [he] would have been viewed as an agent provocateur," says retired special agent Jack Cloonan. "Maybe there would have been an issue of entrapment raised. It wouldn't have helped the government's case."1 That subpoena became "a huge, huge issue for Ali" as well, remembers Cloonan.

As an al Qaeda spy who was playing two FBI offices off each other by that point, Mohamed had reason to be concerned. If he was compelled to testify in federal court with the national media covering the trial, the truth about his espionage career from Fort Bragg onward would have been exposed by defense attorneys like Roger Stavis. "That would have effectively blown his cover as an FBI informant," says Stavis, and "shut him down as a spy then and there."

But rather than helping to get Mohamed in front of the "Day of Terror" jury, McCarthy did nothing to facilitate his testimony and Ali never made it to the stand. In fact, as the book documents...

"...to maintain his cover as an FBI informant, Mohamed continued talking to the Feds. On December 22, an hour and twenty minutes after talking to Wadih El-Hage in Kenya, he called Andrew McCarthy.2 If the Bureau had been vigilant enough to monitor that single phone call, it might have led them to Osama bin Laden.

Why? Because as they eventually learned, the cell phone Mohamed used to call McCarthy was later used by El-Hage just before he went to see bin Laden.3

But Mohamed continued to snooker McCarthy. On February 2, 1995, just after the start of trial, McCarthy sent the list of unindicted co-conspirators to various defense attorneys in the Day of Terror case. Somehow Ali Mohamed got a copy of it. Did McCarthy give it to him? We don't know, but a copy was found in Mohamed's house when the Feds searched it more than three years later.4

Ali later admitted that "I obtained a copy of the co-conspirator list for the Abdel Rahman trial. I sent the list to El Hage in Kenya expecting that it would be forwarded to bin Laden in Khartoum."5 Using the code words of the tradecraft he knew so well, Ali addressed the list to "the Supervisor" (bin Laden), and signed it "Haydara," one of his many aliases.6

Thus, while pretending to cooperate with the Feds, he was betraying their most confidential communiqués.

Throughout his dealings with Andrew McCarthy, Mohamed remained loyal to al Qaeda. And yet McCarthy, who fully understood the deadly power of the "jihad army," seemed almost protective of him. Why? Why would an ex-U.S. marshal and savvy federal prosecutor like McCarthy, so willing to criticize Jamie Gorelick for raising the "wall," fail to connect the dots on Mohamed himself after meeting with him face to face at the end of 1994?

No wonder with that kind of reporting Andrew McCarthy would want to see TRIPLE CROSS pulped. No wonder Fox News would be so quick to air his false allegations. And no wonder The New York Post would kill McCarthy's "review" of the book after I demanded equal space. Already a trio of ex-feds in addition to McCarthy have done their level best to water down the stunning findings in TRIPLE CROSS.

As I detailed on the Huffington Post on August 29th, last summer, Jack Cloonan, former Joint Terrorism Task Force investigator Det. Tommy Corrigan and McCarthy's former boss, Mary Jo White all worked to deny me access to the transcripts of interviews they had done for a National Geo Graphic Channel documentary that was based entirely on my work for TRIPLE CROSS.

In fact, after Nat Geo Channel, through Towers Productions Inc. of Chicago, effectively contracted with me to narrate, write and appear as the principal editorial voice in TRIPLE CROSS (the documentary) they cut me out in June and replaced me with Cloonan. He even appeared on Fox News the weekend before the documentary's airing (August 28th) to promote the two hour special. Whose program was he on? Heartland, with John Kasich, the conservative ex-GOP congressman who was guest hosting on The O'Reilly Factor, on November 21st when they aired McCarthy's diatribe.

On that program Kasich, called me "a little bit loony" but was put in his place when I handed him a copy of TRIPLE CROSS and asked him to read it first. Now another News Corp. subsidiary -- The N.Y. Post -- weighs in on the side of hiding the truth behind the gross negligence and obstruction of justice by the two bin Laden "offices of origin" in the nine years Ali Mohamed ate their lunches on the road to 9.11.

All of this recalls Aaron Sorkin's brilliant retort by the Jack Nicholson character to Tom Cruise's character in A Few Good Men. While grilling Jack on the stand in the film, Cruise screams "I want the truth" and Nicholson snaps back: "You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls."

It's ironic. I was praiseworthy of Andrew C. McCarthy in parts of TRIPLE CROSS, principally for his well-placed criticism of former Deputy Attorney General (and 9/11 Commissioner Jamie Gorelick) after she issued the infamous "wall memo" which sought to separate FBI investigators probing past al Qaeda crimes with Foreign Counter Intelligence agents seeking to prevent future attacks.

It's clear from Andrew McCarthy's reaction to TRIPLE CROSS that he's hiding behind the wall of deception that prevented the U.S. public from realizing just how betrayed they really were by the FBI and SDNY in their utter failure to stop al Qaeda operatives like Ali Mohamed and keep this country safe. Maybe McCarthy, a former U.S. Marshal, will have the guts to step out from behind the safe confines of The New Corp. and face off with me in the Huffington Post.

[Dawn Meredith]

BK

GREAT, Thanks, but [hate to mention it] some of the Q+A was as or more important - i.e. on Continuity of Govenment et al.

Peter,

I have that too, but don't have the time to transcribe it out at the moment. Why don't you do it?

BK

I viewed the COPA talk a few weeks ago and much enjoyed it, as I always enjoy PDS. Don't know where the follow-up Q and A are to be found, however. I am assuming it was also recorded. I'd much rather listen to it than read it.

Dawn

Bill many thanks for transcribing the talk.

[William Kelly]

BK

GREAT, Thanks, but [hate to mention it] some of the Q+A was as or more important - i.e. on Continuity of Govenment et al.

Peter,

I have that too, but don't have the time to transcribe it out at the moment. Why don't you do it?

BK

I viewed the COPA talk a few weeks ago and much enjoyed it, as I always enjoy PDS. Don't know where the follow-up Q and A are to be found, however. I am assuming it was also recorded. I'd much rather listen to it than read it.

Dawn

Bill many thanks for transcribing the talk.

Dawn,

Here's the link that I have. I hope this works. And below is Q & A and additional Speech. Listening is okay, but you can't it as a source.

We have decades of videotapes of people talking at conferences that someday someone will have to transcribe if they are to be useful to researchers and historians.

BK

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4784922735418561675&q=peter+dale+scott

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7484772736732716759&q=peter+dale+scott