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Of all the contradictions, coinsidences and just plain weirdness that surround this case, the Bogard evidence, for me, has always been right up there with the strangest.

FROM THE KENNEDY CONSPIRACY.

twenty-four hours after the assassination, the FBI recieved a report that a man calling himself Lee Oswald had visited a Dallas car showroom on November 9th, to discuss the purchase of a used car, and-on a demonstration drive-rattled a car salesman by driving at speeds of up to eighty MPH. The salesman,Albert Bogard, remembered "Oswald"saying he did not have money to buy a car just yet, but would recieve "A lot of money in the next few weeks" Bogards account was corroborated by two of his colleagues, one of whom remembered "Oswald"saying in view of the high prices he might have to "Go back to Russia, where they treat workers like men."One saleswman claimed that the man came back for a second time just days before the assassination. The showroom was very near to the TSBD, where, of course, the real Oswald was working.

The W/C spurned this evidence-despite the three witnesses-on the usual ground that other evidence placed the real Oswald elsewhere.

SOME QUESTIONS.

1, What possible motive could the three have had for concocting a lie?

2,What possible motive could any conspiritors have had for playing out this charade?

3,Why, when they must have known the truth would come out, was Oswald depicted as a car driver?

4, Why, was the non driving Oswald throwing a car around at speeds reaching 80 MPH. Hardly a realistic impersonaton?

5, And, why did the conspiritors decide that a Dallas car showroom was the right place to leave a lasting impression?

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Let's assume Oswald somehow had disappeared. This story then could have a 'logic'. 'Driving fast', 'gone back to Russia'. Lee has fled Dallas. Probably other events as well would kick into place. As it turned out there was no need for that

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Perhaps it simply never occurred to those in charge of the Oswald impersonations that this ex-Marine couldn't drive a car.

Hmm, Hardly seems likely though does it Ron, unless they put Curly and Moe in charge of this operation.

Its almost as if someone wanted people to know Oswald was being impersonated by staging this fiasco.....

Let's assume Oswald somehow had disappeared. This story then could have a 'logic'. 'Driving fast', 'gone back to Russia'. Lee has fled Dallas. Probably other events as well would kick into place. As it turned out there was no need for that

John, quite apart from the fact that Oswald was never going to be allowed the chance to escape, this cover story would have fallen apart in hours, once it became common knowledge that the patsy couldnt drive. And those in charge of any impersonation MUST have been aware of this.

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Lee Harvey Oswald did have a driver's license. At least one of them did. So this thing about Oswald not knowing how to drive, yet (supposedly) driving dealership cars, is simply one of the things in this case that can't be resolved. He did and he didn't know how to drive.

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'Disappeared' not escaped. Fled, escaped etc would be the conclusion, he would more likely be wearing concrete boots in white rock lake. When the Mississippi three disappeared there was quite a push within some circles to have them having left the country to behind the iron curtain.

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Lee Harvey Oswald did have a driver's license. At least one of them did. So this thing about Oswald not knowing how to drive, yet (supposedly) driving dealership cars, is simply one of the things in this case that can't be resolved. He did and he didn't know how to drive.

Ok, but, and please correct me if I am in error. The LHO that defected to Russia, didn't hold a driving licence, the LHO that married Marina, and returned to the States, didn;t hold a driving licence, the LHO arrested in the Texas theatre, and charged wtih the murder of Tippit, and later the assassination of JFK, didn't hold a driving licence. As this is the official story how, at some unspecified time down the line, are you going to insert a Guy who not only has a driving licence, but is capable of hurtling round the streets of Dallas at over 80 MPH, and further, for what purpose.. As I said, its almost as if certain parties wanted people to know that Oswald was being impersonated.

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SOME QUESTIONS.

1, What possible motive could the three have had for concocting a lie?

2,What possible motive could any conspiritors have had for playing out this charade?

3,Why, when they must have known the truth would come out, was Oswald depicted as a car driver?

4, Why, was the non driving Oswald throwing a car around at speeds reaching 80 MPH. Hardly a realistic impersonaton?

5, And, why did the conspiritors decide that a Dallas car showroom was the right place to leave a lasting impression?

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Stephen,

I have long believed that the "other Oswald(s)" showed up prior to the assassination for the purpose of building name recognition and leaving an impression on witnesses.

Driving the car at 80mph shows at the very least, recklessness (and one could argue impulsive behavior). The phrase, "coming in to some money" indicates that an "event" is on the horizon (inheritance, new job, settlement, etc, etc.) There is no need to indicate *what* the event might be... just leave it to the imagination. I think these various events were all staged to be intentionally contradictory, but memorable. When the general public hears about all the various "Oswald" events, it merely adds confusion -- driving most people to get lost in the fog and conclude, "Yeah, this guy was a nut case."

Why a car dealership? Who knows... Heck, there might have been another dozen or so "Oswald" events that went unreported. I postulate that there had to be *enough* "sightings" that some could be forgotten by

"the masses (them asses)" and the fog would still remain.

Apart from getting attention, I don't really see any motive for the car salesmen to concoct a story. Not to downplay the "15 minutes of fame" factor, but there isn't any other motivation that comes to mind.

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Lets try another sighting, around the same time, but one which appears to make much more sence in implicating Oswald.

The Manager of a furniture store, previously a gun smith, with a "Guns" sign outside,recalled an early November visit by a man she thought looked exactly like Oswald. He had been accompanied by a Wife, and two Children. The Wife had not uttered a word, although the Husband had spoken to her in a "foreign" language. The Manager, whose account was corroborated by a second witness, said this "Oswald asked where he could get a firing pin on his rifle repaired. She had direced him to the nearby Irving Sports shop-and that was very strange- Two days after the assassination, an anonymous caller told the DPD that the alleged assassin had had a rifle sighted at the Irving sports shop. The staff did not remember an Oswald visit, but produced something more tangible than memory, they found a customers ticket for work on a rifle between 4-8 Nov the name of the customer, just "Oswald" No other Oswald in the area had had a gun repaired at IrvingS/S.

Staff also remembered something about the gun. According to the ticket, the work involved drilling three holes for a telescopic sight mounting. The weapon found in the TSBD requird only two holes. There were other technical differences and the evidence suggested somebody, who was not Oswald had commissioned alterations for a gun, not Oswalds, in Oswalds name.

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"The women previously told newspaper reporters that the part for which the man was looking was a "plunger," which the Commission has been advised is a colloquial term used to describe a firing pin."

Chinese whispers perhaps. A plunge drill or a plunge drill base enables presciscion drilling in odd places. It can be bench munted or entirely portable with drill clamped into plunge base and guide pins. So there need be no inconsistency there. Whoever it was may simply have expressed a need for someone with a particular tool which he knew would be needed for the job.

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