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Thought it was worth starting a thread on Antonio Veciana. My page on him is number one at Google. It is therefore important that we get us much as possible onto this page. I will also link this page to this thread on the forum. Veciana is also talking (see Dollan Cannell’s documentary, “638 ways to Kill Fidel Castro” that was on C4 last night).

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q...earch&meta=

Veciana worked as an accountant in a Cuban bank owned by Julio Lobo. A strong opponent of Fidel Castro, Veciana established Alpha 66 after the communists gained power in 1959. This anti-Castro group received considerable funding from the CIA.

Veciana claimed that his CIA contact was an agent named Maurice Bishop. Over the next few years Veciana received $253,000 from Bishop. In 1961 Veciana worked with Bishop on a plan to assassinate Fidel Castro.

In March 1963, the Alpha 66 group attacked Russian ships docked in Cuba. This was seen as an attempt to undermine the improving relationship between the United States and the Soviet Union that had followed the Cuban Missile Crisis. The Department of State made it clear that this attack did not have the support of JFK.

On 26th March 1963 Alpha 66 attacked another Soviet ship. Members of Alpha 66 held a press conference suggesting the American government supported their actions. JFK was furious and ordered that Veciana and other leaders of Alpha 66 should be arrested and placed in a confined area in Florida.

After the assassination of JFK Veciana began work for the International Development Agency under the State Department in Bolivia. Although officially an advisor to Bolivian banks, he actually spent most of his time in anti-Communist activities. In 1971 he was again involved in another failed attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro.

In 1976 Veciana was interviewed by the House Select Committee on Assassinations. He told the committee about his relationship with Maurice Bishop. He claimed that in August, 1963, he saw Bishop and Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas. Veciana admitted that Bishop and the CIA had organized and funded the Alpha 66 attacks on the Soviet ships docked in Cuba in 1963.

Veciana explained the policy: "It was my case officer, Maurice Bishop, who had the idea to attack the Soviet ships. The intention was to cause trouble between Kennedy and Russia. Bishop believed that Kennedy and Khrushchev had made a secret agreement that the USA would do nothing more to help in the fight against Castro. Bishop felt - he told me many times - that President Kennedy was a man without experience surrounded by a group of young men who were also inexperienced with mistaken ideas on how to manage this country. He said you had to put Kennedy against the wall in order to force him to make decisions that would remove Castro's regime."

Richard Schweiker, a member of the committee, speculated that Bishop was David Atlee Phillips. Schweiker arranged for Veciana and Phillips to be introduced at a meeting of the Association of Retired Intelligence Officers in Reston. Phillips denied knowing Veciana. After the meeting Veciana told Schweiker that Phillips was not the man known to him as Bishop.

Schweiker was unconvinced by this evidence. He found it difficult to believe Phillips would not have known the leader of Alpha 66. Especially as Phillips had been in charge of covert action in Cuba when Alpha 66 was established. Another CIA agent who worked in Cuba during this period, claimed that Phillips used the code name, Maurice Bishop.

David Atlee Phillips testified before the House Select Committee on Assassinations on 25th April, 1978. He denied he ever used the name Maurice Bishop. He also insisted that he had never met Veciana.

Soon after testifying Veciana was ambushed on the way home from work. Four shots were fired and one bullet hit him in the head. Veciana survived the attack but afterwards refused to talk about his work with Alpha 66.

In February, 2005, Gerry P. Hemming claimed that it was Jake Esterline and not David Atlee Phillips who was Maurice Bishop, the man who met with Antonio Veciana and Lee Harvey Oswald in August, 1963, in the building that housed the office of Haroldson L. Hunt in Dallas.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKveciana.htm

In March 1963, the Alpha 66 group attacked Russian ships docked in Cuba.

This is not true, what they attacked were 2 (two) of Fidel Castro's "fishing boats", but yes! Alpha 66 did take a lot of money from the CIA, but used that money to sponsor other anti-Castro groups. The attack on the Russian vessel came from my father's group.

In February, 2005, Gerry P. Hemming claimed that it was Jake Esterline and not David Atlee Phillips who was Maurice Bishop

Again this is not true! Maurice Bishop according to MANY of the anti-Castro Cubans I have talked to was in fact "David Atlee Phillips" one person who personally knew him worked in the CIA, in Moa Cuba, and there was a plot to assassinate Castro there.

In 1976 Veciana was interviewed by the House Select Committee on Assassinations. He told the committee about his relationship with Maurice Bishop. He claimed that in August, 1963, he saw Bishop and Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas.

So did a few other anti-Castro Cubans in Miami who are still alive and told me.

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Scott, I showed you this last October, it is in the last post in the Irving Richard Poyle thread. Do you know Joaquin Godoy?

The info in this quote box, if you read it last October, should influence you to consider how much you know vs. what you think you know, because you're on this thread now vehemently posting that John Simkin was wrong about several things.

You mentioned someone working for the CIA in Moa. James K. "Jake" Cogswell, III, with no relevant experience, was a V.P. of a mining company in Moa. Cogswell has quite an interesting background. You might want to look into it. Godoy was Amrazz-1

....Here is a suggestion of a better thing for you to do with your time than adding Bohning as your friend. It so happens that the former CIA asset with the cryptonym AMRAZZ-1 is not only still alive and kickin', he is openly and frequently op-editorializing, too. Why not do your job and ask him about all of this, before it gets any later, as he is now 84 years old. By the way, AMRAZZ-1's old buddy, James K Cogswell III, aka "Jack", aka "Jake", was once married to Joan Farish, first cousin of GHW Bush's best friend, Will Farish III, and was a mutual friend, with Bush, of Lee Harvey Oswald's best bud, George DeMohrenschildt.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=38062&relPageId=5

DISPATCH: TERMINATION OF AMRAZZ/1

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http://ajweberman.com/noduleX18-NEW%20ORLEANS%20APRIL%201963%20TO%20SEPTEMBER%201963.htm

...ANTONIO VECIANA AND MITCH LIVINGSTONE WERBELL

Gaeton Fonzi asked Veciana if he ever dealt with Mitch Werbell: "No. But he said that you were going to ask him about Masferrer now. (Why?) Because there was a lot of business between Masferrer and Werbell. They say that Masferrer was killed as a result of his dealings with Werbell." A CIA report dated April 25, 1966:

a. On the morning of April 17, 1966 before going to the Hudson Institute – R AMRAZZ-1 visited his friend, James Cogswell. The latter will be remembered as being involved in fund raising for the Price Pelaez Plot to kill Castro.

b. Cogswell told AMRAZZ-1 that he was expecting Antonio Veciana at that moment. Veciana, Cogswell said, was in on a plan to assassinate Fidel Castro. Details of the plan were lacking. Veciana wanted Cogswell to introduce him to a (deleted) man known only as (FNU) Livingstone, from 'Winston, Massachusetts.' Cogswell's sister, name unknown, who works in Washington, D.C., presented Livingstone to Cogswell about a month ago.

c. Veciana showed up while Cogswell and AMRAZZ-1 were talking. Veciana’s surprise at seeing Razz was astounding. In private Veciana told AMRAZZ-1 that he wanted Cogswell to introduce him to a lawyer who would handle a damage suit Veciana has against a boxer for unfulmillment of a contract. AMRAZZ-1 did not let on Cogswell’s confidence. Shortly thereafter, AMRAZZ-1 had to continue on to the Institute.

d. AMRAZZ-1 was not able to see Cogswell again until April 21. Cogswell told AMRAZZ-1 that on on Sunday night, April 17, 1966, he had introduced Veciana to Livingston. The latter two had spoken in private after which Veciana came away very pleased, but did not disclose anything except that he had a plan to assassinate Fidel Castro. Veciana did not ask Cogwell to collect any funds for the project. Cogswell said he did not talk to Livingstone about his interview.

e. Cogswell told AMRAZZ-1 that Livingstone had indicated to him that he would be visiting Miami in about three weeks. Livingstone did not state the purpose of his visit. Cogswell gave Livingstone AMRAZZ-1’s name and address as a reference. Livingstone promised Cogswell to call on AMRAZZ-1 when he visited Miami.

In a dispatch titled “Alleged KUBARK Officer in Contact with Cuban Who is Planning Castro Assassination Plot" the CIA stated:

I. In response to Reference A's request for JMWAVE's views on the possibility that FNU LIVINGSTONE of Reference B may be identical with Mitchell Livingston WERBELL III we feel that there is little doubt that LIVINGSTON is in fact WERBELL. According to his file, WERBELL appears to be low level would-be con man who has a history of being involved in CASTRO assassination schemes and of professing to be connected or at least in contact with KUBARK. According to AMRAZZ-1 "LIVINGSTON" was involved with Antonio VECIANA's alleged assassintaion plot and he was masquerading as a KUBARK officer. If WERBELL's present activities are as fruitful as his past business ventures, JMWAVE believes that he poses no threat to any serious KUBARK activities.

2. LIVINGSTON has as yet failed to call an AMRAZZ-1 as ho had promised COGSWELL in Now York City.....

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1efcipXi_U0J:www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol12/pdf/HSCA_Vol12_deMohren.pdf+dorothe+matlack+cogswell+dryer&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

HSCA Volume XII: George de Mohrenschildt

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The information came from Jack Cogswell of Palm Beach. ... Of the names, Dryer recognized Dorothe Matlack and. William Avery Hyde. .

http://m.chronicle.augusta.com/opinion/letters/2011-04-19/can-obama-rekindle-art-possible

Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Can Obama rekindle 'art of the possible'?

By Joaquin Godoy

Aiken, S.C....

...The youth will always be capable to accomplish changes; they did in Egypt and they might bring about an "American spring." But it will be a sad time for all of us who had hope for the past 40 years.

........

I posted the first part of this post yesterday, on another thread.

(quote) name='Tom Scully' date='14 May 2011 - 02:25 PM' timestamp='1305379526' post='225596']

...Now, we know much about DeMohrenschildt...his brother was Bush's roommate's stepfather, DeM dated Jackie's mother and knew Jackie when she was a girl, he shpeherded LHO, seemed to know everyone, was important enough to "unretire" Tom Devine of the CIA, for a meeting along with Clemard Charles. 14 year after the assassination of JFK, George DeM., in the midst of an Reader's Digest assigned interview, takes an afternoon break, receives a message from HSCA's investigator Fonzi, and allegedly blows his brains out and dominates one last news headline cycle.

I submit that James K. Cogswell, III falls into the DeM and Abramoff category. The man is the grandson of a Spanish_American War Admiral hero, and the nephew of a 20th century naval standout. A WWII destroyer is named after the two, and Cogswell, III serves on the ship as an officer, with distinction, through many combat perils, until after VJ day and the occupation of Japan.

His aunt, the widow of the second Cogswell, naval namesake, is a retired CIA secretary by 1954. Cogswell serve on the naval destroyer named after his family, during the final year of the war with the first US astronaut in space, and the fifth human to walk on the moon, Alan B. Shepard.

Cogswell seems to have graduated from The Gunnery School in Washington, CT in 1939, with the prominent Berkeley professor and mathematician, David Gale. In 1942, DeMohrenschildt rooms in Washington DC for a few weeks with naval officer Harry Hull, a man whose mother-in-law since 1939, was Cogswell's aunt, Bianca.

In 1954, Cogswell's first cousin on his mother's (Hennenger) side, Susan Estabrook Lewis, marries for life, the former OSS chief secretariat, Alvah Woodbury Sulloway .

In 1953, Cogswell, III marries for a second time, to Joan Farish, daughter of Stephen Power Farish, uncle of Bush friend, Will Farish III. Cogswell's best man was George O. Walbridge, 2d.

Walbridge turns up in a 1955 newspaper photo, standing in Havana, next to his boss, Lem Billings of Emerson Drug Co., and the former Cuban dictator Prio's former press secretary.

It turns out that both Lem Bilings and Walbridge are very close to, and employed by the grandson of the Emerson Drug Co. founder, who also is the nephew by the marriage of Nina McaDoo TO George DeM's late uncle, Ferdinand DeMohrenschildt.

Later reports, including by the HSCA, are that Cogswell, III worked for the CIA, raised money to finance at least one plot to assassinate Castro, knew and socialized with George DeM. and with DeM's other contact, Joseph F. Dryer, was a friend of AMRAZZ-1, aka Joaquin Godoy, and with Antonio Veciana, and had an only sister, Theodora, described in an HSCA report as being acquainted with "Livingston" aka Mitchell Werbell.

Let's see....did I miss anything???? ....(/quote)

Even at the OSS Society, Alvah Sulloway's was evidently such a low key presence, he was referred to in their newsletter in 2001 as "her".

(quote)http://www.google.com/search?q=+sulloway+dulles&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aunofficial&source=hp&q=%22*journals+from+1892-1997.+Material+includes+her+years+with+the+OSS+Secretariat%2C+%22&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=c4b94ef403c105f7

OSS Society Newsletter - Winter 2001

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journals from 1892-1997. Material includes her years with the OSS Secretariat,...

http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20030108-NEWS-301089968?cid=sitesearch

January 08, 2003 2:00 AM

Alvah Sulloway is a man who has learned throughout his career when to a keep secret and when not to.

....During World War II, Sulloway worked under OSS director Maj. General William J. Donovan in Washington, D.C.

"I was in charge of overseeing the distribution of cables ... that came in from all over the world," he said, before noting many of those correspondences were classified as top-secret...."I think my experience working for General Donovan made me less fearful of doing something different," he said....

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Well, the answer to the question above was quick in coming. In the obituary of

John Farr Hawley, husband of a first cousin of Cogswell, III, Hawley's family thought

it was important enough of a detail to share the fact that Hawley was a law school classmate of John Connally, and we know that Henry Wade was a classmate of both men.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&noj=1&tbs=ar%3A1&tbm=nws&q=wygant+heffenger&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

ENGAGED TO WED LIEUTENANT WYGANT

Pay-Per-View - The Sun - Aug 11, 1907

MISS KATHERINE LHEFFENGER. The engagement ofMiss KathaflneLaneHeffengerHoLifen*_ Benyouard ygan*t UniTed states Nayyi was announced*in The SbNyesteVdayvyV_& ...

Piersons Plan Long Stay at Washington

Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - Oct 22, 1933

MISS BARBARA WYGANT. Members of the younger navy set at the harbor are ... grandmother Mrs Arthur C Heffenger of Boston This is MIss Wygant's visit to the ...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&noj=1&tbs=ar%3A1&tbm=nws&q=wygant+john+farr+hawley&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

Ravinia 'Music Under Stars' Opens 10th Season Saturday

Pay-Per-View - Chicago Tribune - Jun 28, 1945

Lt John Farr of the naval reserve and his bride of last Salur day the former Barbara Bourne Wygant have gone to Oakland Cal to stay there ... Haw ley son of Mr and Mrs Abraham Lincoln Hawley of El Paso Tex re ceived his degree from the ...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&noj=1&tbs=ar%3A1&tbm=nws&q=nan+ness+cogswell+cowton&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=m1&aql=&oq=9999999999999

MISS VAN NESS WED TO A NAVY OFFICER; Member of Spars...

$3.95 - New York Times - Mar 5, 1945

Lieutenant Cogswell, an alumnus of the Gunnery School and Amherst College, is a grandson of the late Dr. and Mrs. Arthur Cowton Heffenger and the late Rear...

http://www.genealogybuff.com/tx/smallcounties/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/2928

Texas Obituaries Collection - El Paso County - 11

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Friday, November 15, 2002 JOHN HAWLEY was born in El Paso on October 8 ... He graduated in the same law class as John Connally and practiced ....John received his midshipman training at Abbott Hall Naval Midshipmen's School in Chicago and was assigned to LST duty, eventually participating in the landing at Leyte Gulf. After the war he was appointed to fill a judgeship in El Paso. He later moved to Montclair, New Jersey with his wife Barbara and son John and daughter...

Law School Composite Photographs Index of Names 1884-1959

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1938

Faculty-Staff:

Bailey, E. W.

Bennett, Dale

Calhoun, J. W.

Crane, Edward

Dodson, Mattie

Hargrave, Helen

Hildebrand, Ira P.

Huie, W. O.

Keeton, Page

Moore, Lucy M.

Oliver, Covey T.

Schmidt, Benno

Shirley, Robert P.

Smith, Bryant

Stayton, R. W.

Stumberg, G. W.

Walker, A. W., Jr.

Wickes, Joseph A.

Students:

Agress, Alfred M.

Andrews, Roy M.

Barker, Howard G.

Bennett, Roy P., Jr. (Editor Texas Law Review)

Black, Earl M.

Bonner, Brenda

Bray, Clayton

Brock, Ralph

Burdeaux, Maurice

Cain, Clacy Malvin

Camiade, Emile Bernard, Jr.

Carnes, John P.

Casseb, Solomon, Jr.

Chuoke, Peter M., Jr., (Case Note Editor Law Review, Pres. Senior Class Fall Term)

Clarke, Richard G., Jr.

Cobb, Robert

Connally, John B., Jr.

Cook, Raymond A. (Permanent Secy.)

Cosgrove, Nicolas P.

Counts, Katherine

Creager, E. B.

Croom, John A.

Darr, George Charles, Jr.

Dawson, John

Dickson, Ralph P.

Doehring, Sweeney J.

Duckett, Jesse James

Eckhardt, Robert C.

Edwards, Tilden H.

Engdohl, Eugene Harold

Ferguson, Hugh, Jr.

Floore, Heard L.

Ford, John W.

Francis, William H., Jr. (Pres. Senior Law Class Spring Term)

Goggans, James Lawson, Jr.

Goldston, Joseph C.

Goodrich, William W. (Quizmaster)

Green, John Plath

Guitar, James, Jr.

Harlan, Joe

Hawley, John Farr

Hayre, J. M.

Heard, Frank L., Jr.

Heath, Milton

Herring, Charles F.

Hochman, Emanuel Moses

Holland, Bill L.

Howard, A. Ryland

Hughes, Barbara

Hurwitz, William

Huser, Paul

Hutcheson, Jr., Palmer

Huth, Alvin L.

Irons, David B.

Irvin, R. Briggs

Jackson, Randolph M.

Jennings, James T.

Johnson, Herbert M.

Johnson, John W., Jr.

Johnson, Nancy Kerr

Johnson, Robert C.

Jones, William Leighton

Kalmans, Yale

Kennedy, Harold L.

Kennelly, Clyde B.

Latham, Lynn

Lea, Ross Bowlin

Lesikar, John W.

Lewis, George L.

Loftis, Austin

Logan, John D.

Logan, Warren C., Jr.

Lore, James Andrew, Jr.

Lowther, John A.

Lucia, Vincent J., Jr.

McDaniel, Gordon D.

McDonald, Francis Goodall

McKay, Morris

Maniscalco, Peter

Markward, Forrest, Jr.

Marshall, Robert C.

Matthews, Wayne

Mays, Tom J.

Means, Wyatt B.

Miller, Bradford F.

Morgan, C. A.

Motley, Howard S.

Nelson, Louis V. (Comment Editor Law Review)

Newberry, Fred K.

Newman, Katherine Ruth

Nicholas, William E., Jr.

Oldham, Beatty

Owen, Jack

Owens, W. Wroe

Pannill, F. H.

Patterson, W. B., Jr.

Penland, Harvey

Pierce, R. M.

Pike, George E.

Pipkin, H. C., Jr.

Pittenger, William A.

Powell, Richard H.

Preston, J. M.

Pritchard, Ed S., Jr.

Rovel, Victor W.

Reams, Sam G.

Richter, Francis C.

Roquemore, O. B., Jr.

Rothell, Henry H.

Russell, James H.

Rylander, Ashlee G.

Sagebiel, Agnes E.

Sanders, H. W.

Sapp, Charles

Schwartz, Armand G.

Scott, James H.

Sellers, Robert M.

Sergeant, Frank C., Jr.

Shelton, Thomas O., Jr.

Slay, W. H., Jr.

Smith, J. Orville

Smith, W. Hightower

Sparks, Jack

Sperry, Joseph Hall

Sprain, Marvin

Staley, J. I., Jr.

Starley, J. H.

Steger, Hugh L.

Storey, W. L.

Termini, James Thomas

Thompson, James E.

Tipps, Kelly

Tipton, Tom L., Jr.

Townsend, Jack N., Jr.

Traweek, W. H.

Tyler, Fisher Ames

Underwood, J. Tall

Urrea, Alberto Trevino

Vance, Roy C., Jr.

Vaughan, Roland C.

Wade, Henry M., Jr. (President of Law School)

Walley, W. Gail, Jr.

Warburton, J. O. E.

Ward, Roy P.

Washburn, Roy M.

Wassell, J. McClellan

Watson, Hubert L.

Weddell, Robert V.

Whitsett, Emmett L., Jr.

Whittington, Marvin Edward

Wier, Max Harris, Jr.

Wood, John H., Jr.

Woodward, Nicholas R.

Wulff, Fred

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Scott, I showed you this last October, it is in the last post in the Irving Richard Poyle thread. Do you know Joaquin Godoy?

The info in this quote box, if you read it last October, should influence you to consider how much you know vs. what you think you know, because you're on this thread now vehemently posting that John Simkin was wrong about several things.

You mentioned someone working for the CIA in Moa. James K. "Jake" Cogswell, III, with no relevant experience, was a V.P. of a mining company in Moa. Cogswell has quite an interesting background. You might want to look into it. Godoy was Amrazz-1

....Here is a suggestion of a better thing for you to do with your time than adding Bohning as your friend. It so happens that the former CIA asset with the cryptonym AMRAZZ-1 is not only still alive and kickin', he is openly and frequently op-editorializing, too. Why not do your job and ask him about all of this, before it gets any later, as he is now 84 years old. By the way, AMRAZZ-1's old buddy, James K Cogswell III, aka "Jack", aka "Jake", was once married to Joan Farish, first cousin of GHW Bush's best friend, Will Farish III, and was a mutual friend, with Bush, of Lee Harvey Oswald's best bud, George DeMohrenschildt.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=38062&relPageId=5

DISPATCH: TERMINATION OF AMRAZZ/1

5674077041_3553b9a5d2_b.jpg

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=36655&relPageId=2

5674643332_3669d6038b_b.jpg

http://ajweberman.com/noduleX18-NEW%20ORLEANS%20APRIL%201963%20TO%20SEPTEMBER%201963.htm

...ANTONIO VECIANA AND MITCH LIVINGSTONE WERBELL

Gaeton Fonzi asked Veciana if he ever dealt with Mitch Werbell: "No. But he said that you were going to ask him about Masferrer now. (Why?) Because there was a lot of business between Masferrer and Werbell. They say that Masferrer was killed as a result of his dealings with Werbell." A CIA report dated April 25, 1966:

a. On the morning of April 17, 1966 before going to the Hudson Institute – R AMRAZZ-1 visited his friend, James Cogswell. The latter will be remembered as being involved in fund raising for the Price Pelaez Plot to kill Castro.

b. Cogswell told AMRAZZ-1 that he was expecting Antonio Veciana at that moment. Veciana, Cogswell said, was in on a plan to assassinate Fidel Castro. Details of the plan were lacking. Veciana wanted Cogswell to introduce him to a (deleted) man known only as (FNU) Livingstone, from 'Winston, Massachusetts.' Cogswell's sister, name unknown, who works in Washington, D.C., presented Livingstone to Cogswell about a month ago.

c. Veciana showed up while Cogswell and AMRAZZ-1 were talking. Veciana’s surprise at seeing Razz was astounding. In private Veciana told AMRAZZ-1 that he wanted Cogswell to introduce him to a lawyer who would handle a damage suit Veciana has against a boxer for unfulmillment of a contract. AMRAZZ-1 did not let on Cogswell’s confidence. Shortly thereafter, AMRAZZ-1 had to continue on to the Institute.

d. AMRAZZ-1 was not able to see Cogswell again until April 21. Cogswell told AMRAZZ-1 that on on Sunday night, April 17, 1966, he had introduced Veciana to Livingston. The latter two had spoken in private after which Veciana came away very pleased, but did not disclose anything except that he had a plan to assassinate Fidel Castro. Veciana did not ask Cogwell to collect any funds for the project. Cogswell said he did not talk to Livingstone about his interview.

e. Cogswell told AMRAZZ-1 that Livingstone had indicated to him that he would be visiting Miami in about three weeks. Livingstone did not state the purpose of his visit. Cogswell gave Livingstone AMRAZZ-1’s name and address as a reference. Livingstone promised Cogswell to call on AMRAZZ-1 when he visited Miami.

In a dispatch titled “Alleged KUBARK Officer in Contact with Cuban Who is Planning Castro Assassination Plot" the CIA stated:

I. In response to Reference A's request for JMWAVE's views on the possibility that FNU LIVINGSTONE of Reference B may be identical with Mitchell Livingston WERBELL III we feel that there is little doubt that LIVINGSTON is in fact WERBELL. According to his file, WERBELL appears to be low level would-be con man who has a history of being involved in CASTRO assassination schemes and of professing to be connected or at least in contact with KUBARK. According to AMRAZZ-1 "LIVINGSTON" was involved with Antonio VECIANA's alleged assassintaion plot and he was masquerading as a KUBARK officer. If WERBELL's present activities are as fruitful as his past business ventures, JMWAVE believes that he poses no threat to any serious KUBARK activities.

2. LIVINGSTON has as yet failed to call an AMRAZZ-1 as ho had promised COGSWELL in Now York City.....

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1efcipXi_U0J:www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol12/pdf/HSCA_Vol12_deMohren.pdf+dorothe+matlack+cogswell+dryer&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

HSCA Volume XII: George de Mohrenschildt

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The information came from Jack Cogswell of Palm Beach. ... Of the names, Dryer recognized Dorothe Matlack and. William Avery Hyde. .

http://m.chronicle.augusta.com/opinion/letters/2011-04-19/can-obama-rekindle-art-possible

Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Can Obama rekindle 'art of the possible'?

By Joaquin Godoy

Aiken, S.C....

...The youth will always be capable to accomplish changes; they did in Egypt and they might bring about an "American spring." But it will be a sad time for all of us who had hope for the past 40 years.

........

I posted the first part of this post yesterday, on another thread.

(quote) name='Tom Scully' date='14 May 2011 - 02:25 PM' timestamp='1305379526' post='225596']

...Now, we know much about DeMohrenschildt...his brother was Bush's roommate's stepfather, DeM dated Jackie's mother and knew Jackie when she was a girl, he shpeherded LHO, seemed to know everyone, was important enough to "unretire" Tom Devine of the CIA, for a meeting along with Clemard Charles. 14 year after the assassination of JFK, George DeM., in the midst of an Reader's Digest assigned interview, takes an afternoon break, receives a message from HSCA's investigator Fonzi, and allegedly blows his brains out and dominates one last news headline cycle.

I submit that James K. Cogswell, III falls into the DeM and Abramoff category. The man is the grandson of a Spanish_American War Admiral hero, and the nephew of a 20th century naval standout. A WWII destroyer is named after the two, and Cogswell, III serves on the ship as an officer, with distinction, through many combat perils, until after VJ day and the occupation of Japan.

His aunt, the widow of the second Cogswell, naval namesake, is a retired CIA secretary by 1954. Cogswell serve on the naval destroyer named after his family, during the final year of the war with the first US astronaut in space, and the fifth human to walk on the moon, Alan B. Shepard.

Cogswell seems to have graduated from The Gunnery School in Washington, CT in 1939, with the prominent Berkeley professor and mathematician, David Gale. In 1942, DeMohrenschildt rooms in Washington DC for a few weeks with naval officer Harry Hull, a man whose mother-in-law since 1939, was Cogswell's aunt, Bianca.

In 1954, Cogswell's first cousin on his mother's (Hennenger) side, Susan Estabrook Lewis, marries for life, the former OSS chief secretariat, Alvah Woodbury Sulloway .

In 1953, Cogswell, III marries for a second time, to Joan Farish, daughter of Stephen Power Farish, uncle of Bush friend, Will Farish III. Cogswell's best man was George O. Walbridge, 2d.

Walbridge turns up in a 1955 newspaper photo, standing in Havana, next to his boss, Lem Billings of Emerson Drug Co., and the former Cuban dictator Prio's former press secretary.

It turns out that both Lem Bilings and Walbridge are very close to, and employed by the grandson of the Emerson Drug Co. founder, who also is the nephew by the marriage of Nina McaDoo TO George DeM's late uncle, Ferdinand DeMohrenschildt.

Later reports, including by the HSCA, are that Cogswell, III worked for the CIA, raised money to finance at least one plot to assassinate Castro, knew and socialized with George DeM. and with DeM's other contact, Joseph F. Dryer, was a friend of AMRAZZ-1, aka Joaquin Godoy, and with Antonio Veciana, and had an only sister, Theodora, described in an HSCA report as being acquainted with "Livingston" aka Mitchell Werbell.

Let's see....did I miss anything???? ....(/quote)

Even at the OSS Society, Alvah Sulloway's was evidently such a low key presence, he was referred to in their newsletter in 2001 as "her".

(quote)http://www.google.com/search?q=+sulloway+dulles&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aunofficial&source=hp&q=%22*journals+from+1892-1997.+Material+includes+her+years+with+the+OSS+Secretariat%2C+%22&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=c4b94ef403c105f7

OSS Society Newsletter - Winter 2001

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journals from 1892-1997. Material includes her years with the OSS Secretariat,...

http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20030108-NEWS-301089968?cid=sitesearch

January 08, 2003 2:00 AM

Alvah Sulloway is a man who has learned throughout his career when to a keep secret and when not to.

....During World War II, Sulloway worked under OSS director Maj. General William J. Donovan in Washington, D.C.

"I was in charge of overseeing the distribution of cables ... that came in from all over the world," he said, before noting many of those correspondences were classified as top-secret...."I think my experience working for General Donovan made me less fearful of doing something different," he said....

(/quote)

Well, the answer to the question above was quick in coming. In the obituary of

John Farr Hawley, husband of a first cousin of Cogswell, III, Hawley's family thought

it was important enough of a detail to share the fact that Hawley was a law school classmate of John Connally, and we know that Henry Wade was a classmate of both men.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&noj=1&tbs=ar%3A1&tbm=nws&q=wygant+heffenger&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

ENGAGED TO WED LIEUTENANT WYGANT

Pay-Per-View - The Sun - Aug 11, 1907

MISS KATHERINE LHEFFENGER. The engagement ofMiss KathaflneLaneHeffengerHoLifen*_ Benyouard ygan*t UniTed states Nayyi was announced*in The SbNyesteVdayvyV_& ...

Piersons Plan Long Stay at Washington

Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - Oct 22, 1933

MISS BARBARA WYGANT. Members of the younger navy set at the harbor are ... grandmother Mrs Arthur C Heffenger of Boston This is MIss Wygant's visit to the ...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&noj=1&tbs=ar%3A1&tbm=nws&q=wygant+john+farr+hawley&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

Ravinia 'Music Under Stars' Opens 10th Season Saturday

Pay-Per-View - Chicago Tribune - Jun 28, 1945

Lt John Farr of the naval reserve and his bride of last Salur day the former Barbara Bourne Wygant have gone to Oakland Cal to stay there ... Haw ley son of Mr and Mrs Abraham Lincoln Hawley of El Paso Tex re ceived his degree from the ...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&noj=1&tbs=ar%3A1&tbm=nws&q=nan+ness+cogswell+cowton&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=m1&aql=&oq=9999999999999

MISS VAN NESS WED TO A NAVY OFFICER; Member of Spars...

$3.95 - New York Times - Mar 5, 1945

Lieutenant Cogswell, an alumnus of the Gunnery School and Amherst College, is a grandson of the late Dr. and Mrs. Arthur Cowton Heffenger and the late Rear...

http://www.genealogybuff.com/tx/smallcounties/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/2928

Texas Obituaries Collection - El Paso County - 11

26 posts - Last post: Nov 29, 2010

Friday, November 15, 2002 JOHN HAWLEY was born in El Paso on October 8 ... He graduated in the same law class as John Connally and practiced ....John received his midshipman training at Abbott Hall Naval Midshipmen's School in Chicago and was assigned to LST duty, eventually participating in the landing at Leyte Gulf. After the war he was appointed to fill a judgeship in El Paso. He later moved to Montclair, New Jersey with his wife Barbara and son John and daughter...

Law School Composite Photographs Index of Names 1884-1959

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1938

Faculty-Staff:

Bailey, E. W.

Bennett, Dale

Calhoun, J. W.

Crane, Edward

Dodson, Mattie

Hargrave, Helen

Hildebrand, Ira P.

Huie, W. O.

Keeton, Page

Moore, Lucy M.

Oliver, Covey T.

Schmidt, Benno

Shirley, Robert P.

Smith, Bryant

Stayton, R. W.

Stumberg, G. W.

Walker, A. W., Jr.

Wickes, Joseph A.

Students:

Agress, Alfred M.

Andrews, Roy M.

Barker, Howard G.

Bennett, Roy P., Jr. (Editor Texas Law Review)

Black, Earl M.

Bonner, Brenda

Bray, Clayton

Brock, Ralph

Burdeaux, Maurice

Cain, Clacy Malvin

Camiade, Emile Bernard, Jr.

Carnes, John P.

Casseb, Solomon, Jr.

Chuoke, Peter M., Jr., (Case Note Editor Law Review, Pres. Senior Class Fall Term)

Clarke, Richard G., Jr.

Cobb, Robert

Connally, John B., Jr.

Cook, Raymond A. (Permanent Secy.)

Cosgrove, Nicolas P.

Counts, Katherine

Creager, E. B.

Croom, John A.

Darr, George Charles, Jr.

Dawson, John

Dickson, Ralph P.

Doehring, Sweeney J.

Duckett, Jesse James

Eckhardt, Robert C.

Edwards, Tilden H.

Engdohl, Eugene Harold

Ferguson, Hugh, Jr.

Floore, Heard L.

Ford, John W.

Francis, William H., Jr. (Pres. Senior Law Class Spring Term)

Goggans, James Lawson, Jr.

Goldston, Joseph C.

Goodrich, William W. (Quizmaster)

Green, John Plath

Guitar, James, Jr.

Harlan, Joe

Hawley, John Farr

Hayre, J. M.

Heard, Frank L., Jr.

Heath, Milton

Herring, Charles F.

Hochman, Emanuel Moses

Holland, Bill L.

Howard, A. Ryland

Hughes, Barbara

Hurwitz, William

Huser, Paul

Hutcheson, Jr., Palmer

Huth, Alvin L.

Irons, David B.

Irvin, R. Briggs

Jackson, Randolph M.

Jennings, James T.

Johnson, Herbert M.

Johnson, John W., Jr.

Johnson, Nancy Kerr

Johnson, Robert C.

Jones, William Leighton

Kalmans, Yale

Kennedy, Harold L.

Kennelly, Clyde B.

Latham, Lynn

Lea, Ross Bowlin

Lesikar, John W.

Lewis, George L.

Loftis, Austin

Logan, John D.

Logan, Warren C., Jr.

Lore, James Andrew, Jr.

Lowther, John A.

Lucia, Vincent J., Jr.

McDaniel, Gordon D.

McDonald, Francis Goodall

McKay, Morris

Maniscalco, Peter

Markward, Forrest, Jr.

Marshall, Robert C.

Matthews, Wayne

Mays, Tom J.

Means, Wyatt B.

Miller, Bradford F.

Morgan, C. A.

Motley, Howard S.

Nelson, Louis V. (Comment Editor Law Review)

Newberry, Fred K.

Newman, Katherine Ruth

Nicholas, William E., Jr.

Oldham, Beatty

Owen, Jack

Owens, W. Wroe

Pannill, F. H.

Patterson, W. B., Jr.

Penland, Harvey

Pierce, R. M.

Pike, George E.

Pipkin, H. C., Jr.

Pittenger, William A.

Powell, Richard H.

Preston, J. M.

Pritchard, Ed S., Jr.

Rovel, Victor W.

Reams, Sam G.

Richter, Francis C.

Roquemore, O. B., Jr.

Rothell, Henry H.

Russell, James H.

Rylander, Ashlee G.

Sagebiel, Agnes E.

Sanders, H. W.

Sapp, Charles

Schwartz, Armand G.

Scott, James H.

Sellers, Robert M.

Sergeant, Frank C., Jr.

Shelton, Thomas O., Jr.

Slay, W. H., Jr.

Smith, J. Orville

Smith, W. Hightower

Sparks, Jack

Sperry, Joseph Hall

Sprain, Marvin

Staley, J. I., Jr.

Starley, J. H.

Steger, Hugh L.

Storey, W. L.

Termini, James Thomas

Thompson, James E.

Tipps, Kelly

Tipton, Tom L., Jr.

Townsend, Jack N., Jr.

Traweek, W. H.

Tyler, Fisher Ames

Underwood, J. Tall

Urrea, Alberto Trevino

Vance, Roy C., Jr.

Vaughan, Roland C.

Wade, Henry M., Jr. (President of Law School)

Walley, W. Gail, Jr.

Warburton, J. O. E.

Ward, Roy P.

Washburn, Roy M.

Wassell, J. McClellan

Watson, Hubert L.

Weddell, Robert V.

Whitsett, Emmett L., Jr.

Whittington, Marvin Edward

Wier, Max Harris, Jr.

Wood, John H., Jr.

Woodward, Nicholas R.

Wulff, Fred

Tom,

I find it very admirable of you to defend John, however, I am not out to pick his work apart, nor do I have any attention in doing so. But every so often I run up against something someone wrote and I would like to know who that author is/was only so I may correct his information if I am 100 percent certain that what I'm saying is correct.

I have asked John in the past as to where did he get his information that Frank Castro was in the Bay of Pigs when I and his son said he was not. As to my Moa comment, I can appreciate you assuming what I know or who you think it may be, however, the CIA was running all over Cuba as they were in Miami. Phillip Agee and Richard Poyle are but a few who worked with this person I'm talking about who is still alive.

I think that if someone is going to write about someone I have personal knowledge about, and if I think its incorrect, do I not have the right as to ask where he received the information from? Please, do not get me wrong. I do appreciate John's research, your research, there is information I couldn't find without you, Linda Minor's and John experience.

I too have made several mistakes, admitted them, and said on several occasions that "it was my bad" or "my fault". You see Tom, no one is perfect, and just as I have been unwavering in wanting to know what happen to my father, I also want to know what my father knew about JFK.

It has been an ongoing, relentless pursuit, of the truth.

It so happens that the former CIA asset with the cryptonym AMRAZZ-1 is not only still alive and kickin', he is openly and frequently op-editorializing, too. Why not do your job and ask him about all of this, before it gets any later, as he is now 84 years old.

Can you put me in-touch with him? Or him with me? That would be nice, as I do have several questions. Thanks!

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They say that Masferrer was killed as a result of his dealings with Werbell." A CIA report dated April 25, 1966:

Also, I have spoken to Masferrer's nephew Rolando, who seems to be a very stand up guy, willing to tell it like it is, and what he has told me was that Micheal Tomley was responsible for his uncles death.

Can you see, even if its documented under some CIA document it doesn't always mean its the God's honest truth, mistakes happen, people are not perfect, although we try to succeed in being so. Sometimes you just have to use your own common sense.

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Mr. Tom Scully,

Please note, that I am in no way, shape or form seeking out an embroilment or argument to find the facts I have stated above.

Other then the usual, information, material dump from you Mr. Scully, I have explained myself in this thread. I was expecting in good faith some kind of a reply. I thought if I allowed a reasonable amount of time go by you would respond. I was wrong again, "my bad" or "my fault" to think that way. I have said that some of the information I've read was (in-correct), and rather then you agreeing with me, you've decided to go head to head with me on what I think are VERY important issues. Are you now trying to avoid me? As you have mention in your more recent and important thread on Bush. Robert and I have obscured your thread with irrational posts, you have completely alluded my response to your statement/questions above. I'm still waiting! Thanking you in advance, and yes! You may respond...

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They say that Masferrer was killed as a result of his dealings with Werbell." A CIA report dated April 25, 1966:

Also, I have spoken to Masferrer's nephew Rolando, who seems to be a very stand up guy, willing to tell it like it is, and what he has told me was that Micheal Tomley was responsible for his uncles death.

Can you see, even if its documented under some CIA document it doesn't always mean its the God's honest truth, mistakes happen, people are not perfect, although we try to succeed in being so. Sometimes you just have to use your own common sense.

William King Harvey - as a matter of regular business - would put fake documents into the CIA files. I am sure this is more common than folks would imagine. It is a way for folks to cover their tracks, especially when they are up to something really dirty.

George Herbert Walker Bush has been known to keep a fake diary for historical records.

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Thought it was worth starting a thread on Antonio Veciana. My page on him is number one at Google. It is therefore important that we get us much as possible onto this page. I will also link this page to this thread on the forum. Veciana is also talking (see Dollan Cannell’s documentary, “638 ways to Kill Fidel Castro” that was on C4 last night).

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q...earch&meta=

Veciana worked as an accountant in a Cuban bank owned by Julio Lobo. A strong opponent of Fidel Castro, Veciana established Alpha 66 after the communists gained power in 1959. This anti-Castro group received considerable funding from the CIA.

Veciana claimed that his CIA contact was an agent named Maurice Bishop. Over the next few years Veciana received $253,000 from Bishop. In 1961 Veciana worked with Bishop on a plan to assassinate Fidel Castro.

In March 1963, the Alpha 66 group attacked Russian ships docked in Cuba. This was seen as an attempt to undermine the improving relationship between the United States and the Soviet Union that had followed the Cuban Missile Crisis. The Department of State made it clear that this attack did not have the support of JFK.

On 26th March 1963 Alpha 66 attacked another Soviet ship. Members of Alpha 66 held a press conference suggesting the American government supported their actions. JFK was furious and ordered that Veciana and other leaders of Alpha 66 should be arrested and placed in a confined area in Florida.

After the assassination of JFK Veciana began work for the International Development Agency under the State Department in Bolivia. Although officially an advisor to Bolivian banks, he actually spent most of his time in anti-Communist activities. In 1971 he was again involved in another failed attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro.

In 1976 Veciana was interviewed by the House Select Committee on Assassinations. He told the committee about his relationship with Maurice Bishop. He claimed that in August, 1963, he saw Bishop and Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas. Veciana admitted that Bishop and the CIA had organized and funded the Alpha 66 attacks on the Soviet ships docked in Cuba in 1963.

Veciana explained the policy: "It was my case officer, Maurice Bishop, who had the idea to attack the Soviet ships. The intention was to cause trouble between Kennedy and Russia. Bishop believed that Kennedy and Khrushchev had made a secret agreement that the USA would do nothing more to help in the fight against Castro. Bishop felt - he told me many times - that President Kennedy was a man without experience surrounded by a group of young men who were also inexperienced with mistaken ideas on how to manage this country. He said you had to put Kennedy against the wall in order to force him to make decisions that would remove Castro's regime."

Richard Schweiker, a member of the committee, speculated that Bishop was David Atlee Phillips. Schweiker arranged for Veciana and Phillips to be introduced at a meeting of the Association of Retired Intelligence Officers in Reston. Phillips denied knowing Veciana. After the meeting Veciana told Schweiker that Phillips was not the man known to him as Bishop.

Schweiker was unconvinced by this evidence. He found it difficult to believe Phillips would not have known the leader of Alpha 66. Especially as Phillips had been in charge of covert action in Cuba when Alpha 66 was established. Another CIA agent who worked in Cuba during this period, claimed that Phillips used the code name, Maurice Bishop.

David Atlee Phillips testified before the House Select Committee on Assassinations on 25th April, 1978. He denied he ever used the name Maurice Bishop. He also insisted that he had never met Veciana.

Soon after testifying Veciana was ambushed on the way home from work. Four shots were fired and one bullet hit him in the head. Veciana survived the attack but afterwards refused to talk about his work with Alpha 66.

In February, 2005, Gerry P. Hemming claimed that it was Jake Esterline and not David Atlee Phillips who was Maurice Bishop, the man who met with Antonio Veciana and Lee Harvey Oswald in August, 1963, in the building that housed the office of Haroldson L. Hunt in Dallas.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKveciana.htm

[ emphasis added by T. Graves ]

Sorry to disagree with you, Gerry (R.I.P.), but the police sketch of the man Veciana met with shows a man with lots of sun spots or "birth marks" on his face. Photos of Dave Phillips show that he had marks like those on his face, whereas photos of Esterline show that his face had none of them.

--Tommy :sun

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There is a photo of Veciana with some of his compadres, date of photo unknown; taken from

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/veciana.htm

also see

https://www.courtlistener.com/ca2/2Dgg/united-states-v-ariel-pomares-and-antonio-veciana/?q=&case_name=Ariel+Pomares&stat_Precedential=on&filed_after=&filed_before=&order_by=dateFiled+desc

https://www.courtlistener.com/ca2/2Dgg/united-states-v-ariel-pomares-and-antonio-veciana/cited-by/

there are pomares surnames in the AMMUG Files at maryferrell.org Reel 22 Folder T page 13

but the ones name that were most interesting were

Pedro Antonio Nerey Pomares 10/19/37 Cuba NM No 148464

see

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=77011&relPageId=120

and

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62273&relPageId=20

In our era, Pomares as a business enterprise seems linked to Hawaii....

I don't think many people even among astute researchers realize how much potential for "overlap"

lies in the Cuban/Drugs/organized crime area in all of this....

my latest discovery was regarding Jack Ruby and his largely unexplored, with the exception of Douglas Valentine research into the FBN Files.....nobody seems to have ever thought to explored the Teamsters Union's very documented presence in Dallas, Texas in 1963....

Keywords "Dallas Cabana Hotel, now some sort of holding facility or halfway house

Dallas Athletic Club, Puerto Rico.....on the last one the seaman Luther J., was ostensibly Puerto Rican

the strangest Jack Ruby "friends" were at the Carousel on November 12, 13, 1963 when Litchfield, Eddie Rocco, some other persons and a very undocumented "married couple" from Beaumont/Galveston were according to Litchfield [reliability?] were also allegedly there. The story is they were a husband and wife, entertainment team who were performing at the Dallas Athletic Club at the same time....I have my doubts as to the veracity of the story, but if you are trying to document the unanswered questions, and there are a lot of them re the Maturata, it would behoove one to know the "real story re this "couple."

Dallas Morning News stories re "who was entertaining at the Cardinal Room of the DAC on 11/12-13/63" are

interestingly enough strangely ambiguous regarding this couple.

But the biggest item I have found so far is a WC Document, that has an interview with Nathan Wyel who was allegedly an employee of Associate Travel Inc, and living at Adolphus Towers Room 1213-14. He also claimed to have once worked for the Dallas Morning News, he says Jack Ruby asked him about taking a Caribbean cruise, so Mr Wyle allegedly sent him some brochures regarding same, all of this is all well and good, until you discover, that as far as I know, there was no such company as Associate Travel Inc, no person named Nathan Wyel who worked at the Dallas Morning News, and no obits of anyone with that name from Dallas period.

Mr. Nathan Wyle, Associate Travel Inc., 1213-14 Adolphus Towers, Dallas advised he has known JACK RUBY since 1948 but only through business contacts
Mr [Nathan] Wyle added that he was in the Orient from November 1 to November 24, 1963
and consequently was more or less out of touch with local news...[Robert.....can you say Rotfl, I would love to be proven dis guy really existed, and would be more than glad to apologize..seriously]
CD 105 page 320 also
CD 86 - FBI Clements Report of 14 Dec 1963 re: Ruby pg 431
spoke to RUBY was on about October 2 1963 on the street in front of the Baker Hotel At that time
RUBY mentioned that he was interested in taking a Caribbean cruise at a later date exact date not

I believe the question begs to be asked here in 2013, is Nathan Wyel a Warren Commission version

of Nathaniel Weyl?

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But the biggest item I have found so far is a WC Document, that has an interview with Nathan Wyel who was allegedly an employee of Associate Travel Inc, and living at Adolphus Towers Room 1213-14. He also claimed to have once worked for the Dallas Morning News, he says Jack Ruby asked him about taking a Caribbean cruise, so Mr Wyle allegedly sent him some brochures regarding same, all of this is all well and good, until you discover, that as far as I know, there was no such company as Associate Travel Inc, no person named Nathan Wyel who worked at the Dallas Morning News, and no obits of anyone with that name from Dallas period.

Mr. Nathan Wyle, Associate Travel Inc., 1213-14 Adolphus Towers, Dallas advised he has known JACK RUBY since 1948 but only through business contacts

Mr [Nathan] Wyle added that he was in the Orient from November 1 to November 24, 1963

and consequently was more or less out of touch with local news...[Robert.....can you say Rotfl, I would love to be proven dis guy really existed, and would be more than glad to apologize..seriously]

CD 105 page 320 also

CD 86 - FBI Clements Report of 14 Dec 1963 re: Ruby pg 431

spoke to RUBY was on about October 2 1963 on the street in front of the Baker Hotel At that time

RUBY mentioned that he was interested in taking a Caribbean cruise at a later date exact date not

I believe the question begs to be asked here in 2013, is Nathan Wyel a Warren Commission version

of Nathaniel Weyl?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Weyl

This Wikipedia article says that Weyl was a former Communist who left the CPUSA in 1939. It says he lived in Texas in the late 1930's and worked for an oil company there.

Interestingly, John Martino is mentioned in the article as having promoted, with Weyl, the idea that Oswald had visited Cuba before the assassination.

--Tommy :sun

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Thomas, you basically hit all the salient points, re Weyl and Martino. If you go through the early WC era docs, there were lots of individuals who had been "Communists" or extreme left, and by 1963-64 were still considered possible "traitors" in right wing parlance, but in reality, were just as right wing as the people who suspected them. Besides Weyl, there was Cord Meyer,

a few OSS era leftists who were thrown under the bus by Allen Dulles, such as Varian Fry et cetera...Oswald was by no means, the first person in nefarious political scenarios to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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P.109 of this document indicates that "Mr. Abbott" was a cryptonym for Dave Phillips. Can someone ask Mr. Veciana if he had ever known Phillips as Mr. Abbott?

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/180-10145-10210.pdf

For reference and to indicate the nature of my interest... see my next post.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

Pinging Mr. Root in this thread because I noticed that he never posted in it; perhaps he never saw it.

I noticed in the document linked below, that an alias for David Phillips is "Mr. Abbott". I am wondering if this was previously known. I searched for a while but did not find anything.

The question that this raises for me is... Did Oswald actually request to speak with Phillips, using the name Abt, or Abbott? Was "John Abt" quickly used as cover for Oswald's actual request for Phillips? Is this what got him killed?

P. 109 of this doc. Identifies "Mr. Abbott" as a cover name for Dave Phillips.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/180-10145-10210.pdf

The above quote is from the following thread....

 

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