Proof!JFK's jacket could go well above his shirt collar.

[Guest Richard Bittikofer]

[Cliff Varnell]

And proof that JFK's jacket had fallen and his shirt collar was exposed

on Elm St. at Z186...

See the Houston St. segment of the Nix film as shown on Unsolved History

and you can WATCH his jacket fall.

Richard, the SBT requires that 3 inches of JFK's shirt and 3 inches of JFK's jacket

were "bunched up" entirely above C7 at the base of his neck.

And yet his jacket collar fell readily to a normal position toward the base

of his neck.

You realize, of course, that it is physically impossible for disparate, concrete

objects to occupy the same physical space at the same time.

So how did the jacket collar and the 6 inches of bunched up clothing

occupy the same physical space at the base of JFK's neck at the same time?

[Guest Richard Bittikofer]

Cliff,the photo you posted shows me nothing. I can't see anything. Do you have a better photo. Thanks

Edited December 6, 2006 by Richard Bittikofer

[Cliff Varnell]

Cliff,the photo you posted shows me nothing. I can't make see anything. Do you have a better photo. Thanks

You can't see the white band at the base of JFK's neck?

Okay, try this one taken a few seconds earlier, also on Elm St...

http://www.jfk-online.com/Towner.mpg

That's JFK's shirt collar exposed at the back of his neck.

[Guest Richard Bittikofer]

Cliff,the photo you posted shows me nothing. I can't make see anything. Do you have a better photo. Thanks

You can't see the white band at the base of JFK's neck?

Okay, try this one taken a few seconds earlier, also on Elm St...

http://www.jfk-online.com/Towner.mpg

That's JFK's shirt collar exposed at the back of his neck.

Yes, indeed I do see the white shirt collar showing on the left hand side of JFK's neck. Remember he had his right arm resting on the upper part of the limo and waving. With that movement,right arm on limo +waving should raise the level of the right side of the jacket and shirt.Bullet entered to the right of the midline of the spine..the film I just viewed,is well before the back wound.

[Cliff Varnell]

Cliff,the photo you posted shows me nothing. I can't make see anything. Do you have a better photo. Thanks

You can't see the white band at the base of JFK's neck?

Okay, try this one taken a few seconds earlier, also on Elm St...

http://www.jfk-online.com/Towner.mpg

That's JFK's shirt collar exposed at the back of his neck.

Yes, indeed I do see the white shirt collar showing on the left hand side of JFK's neck.

Well, keep looking and you'll see that JFK's shirt collar is visible at the back of his neck

on Elm St., as well.

He was shot less than two inches right of midline and his shirt collar shows

at the nape of his neck.

Remember he had his right arm resting on the upper part of the limo and waving.

And that caused his clothing to split down the middle, the right side riding

up three inches and the left side remaining in a normal position?

With that movement,right arm on limo +waving should raise the level of the right side of the jacket and shirt.

Please share with us your methodology for determining that 3 inches of JFK's

jacket and 3 inches of his shirt rode up in tandem in ANY of the motorcade photos.

Hell, you couldn't replicate that event using both hands to pull...

Bullet entered to the right of the midline of the spine..the film I just viewed,is well before the back wound.

Again, the Elm St. photos show JFK's exposed shirt collar at the back of his

neck -- and the wound was less than two inches right of midline.

Forget the evidence, Richard -- just declare your belief in the SBT a religious faith

and maybe you'll get a tax exemption.

[Guest Richard Bittikofer]

Tax exemption! Not in the good old USA!!!!!! Come on Cliff, be realistic, no one can accept the fact that a man making $1.25 an hour, was in the 6th floor window of the TSBD ,killed the President of the United States! Simple homicide. Oswald did it and he did it alone. Jack White believes there was between 8-12 shots fired! All those people in Dealey Plaza and no one hit!! Talk about bullets zigging and zagging!!

Edited December 6, 2006 by Richard Bittikofer

[Cliff Varnell]

Tax exemption! Not in the good old USA!!!!!! Come on Cliff, be realistic, no one can accept the fact that a man making $1.25 an hour, was in the 6th floor window of the TSBD ,killed the President of the United States! Simple homicide. Oswald did it and he did it alone. Jack Whte believes there was between 8-12 shots fired! All those people in Dealey Plaza and no one hit!! Talk about bullets zigging and zagging!!

No one hit?

[Guest Richard Bittikofer]

Tax exemption! Not in the good old USA!!!!!! Come on Cliff, be realistic, no one can accept the fact that a man making $1.25 an hour, was in the 6th floor window of the TSBD ,killed the President of the United States! Simple homicide. Oswald did it and he did it alone. Jack White believes there was between 8-12 shots fired! All those people in Dealey Plaza and no one hit!! Talk about bullets zigging and zagging!!

No one hit? Cliff.Oswald hit.

Edited December 6, 2006 by Richard Bittikofer

[Guest Richard Bittikofer]

Disprove me! Change my mind!

[Guest Richard Bittikofer]

Cliff, well after the Towner Film>

[Cliff Varnell]

Cliff, well after the Towner Film>

Same old non sequitar...

The Single Bullet Theory requires JFK's clothing to have hiked up 3 inches.

The Croft photo shows folds in the jacket.

Therefore, JFK's clothing hiked up 3 inches.

Btw, the Towner film ends around Z140.

That's a bit more than a second before Croft.

Betzner #3 was taken after Croft and shows the visible shirt collar,

whether Richard B. is capable of seeing it or not.

[Guest Richard Bittikofer]

Cliff, well after the Towner Film>

Same old non sequitar...

The Single Bullet Theory requires JFK's clothing to have hiked up 3 inches.

The Croft photo shows folds in the jacket.

Therefore, JFK's clothing hiked up 3 inches.

Btw, the Towner film ends around Z140.

That's a bit more than a second before Croft.

Betzner #3 was taken after Croft and shows the visible shirt collar,

whether Richard B. is capable of seeing it or not.

Cliff. I am 57 yars old. I want to believe there was a conspiracy.Look at the first day evidence. The morning when LHO left Ruth Paine's house. It all adds up.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dawn Meredith]

[quote name='Cliff Varnell' date='Dec 6 2006, 05:52 AM' post='83949']

Cliff, well after the Towner Film>

Same old non sequitar...

The Single Bullet Theory requires JFK's clothing to have hiked up 3 inches.

The SBT also requires that this bullet hang in mid air more than a second before going on to cause the wounds sustained by the Governor. Absurd.

Dawn

[JL Allen]

Which Z-frame is it that corresponds to the Croft photo? Thanks.