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I continue to find information that tends to support my belief that a very small group of powerful individuals within Government played the major role in the assassination of JFK.

In the new light of my continuing research centering around whom I believe to be the plotters I was rereading Kai Bird's well documented work on the life of John J. McCloy. While focusing upon McCloy's involvement within the area of Nuclear Disarmament I stumbled upon the Acheson - Lilienthal Report (one of the earliest documents to deal with the post war problem of how to handle the technology that created the atomic bomb). McCloy found himself on the side of sharing the technology with the rest of the world because he felt that the genie was out of the bottle and could never be returned. In other words if the US attempted to deal from a position of strength based upon our sole possession of the "Bomb" we would do nothing more than create an arms race that could lead to the nuclear destruction of the world.

McCloy was drawn to the scientific side that an international government needed to be established that would monopolize all asspects of the discovery, recovery, movement and development of all fussionalble material in the world. His position was not the one that was accepted by the Truman Administration and Bernard Baruch was put in the position to negotiate thur the UN Americas position (a position that McCloy seems to have coveted).

It seems to me that from the earliest days of McCloy's involvement in Nuclear Diplomacy he is repeatedly frustrated in his attempt to achieve international cooperation upon the issue until after the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

McCloy expressed worry over the Paris Summit and the signing of a Limited Nuclear Test Ban Treaty as early as Nov. 1959 (just days after Lee Harvey Oswald had entered the Soviet Union). As we all know that summit never occured and the treaty was never signed after Francis Gary Powers and the U-2 were downed. Kennedy would be elected President and during his very first press conference McCloy would be the first man that Kennedy would name to a position in his government.

If my research is pointing in the proper direction it suggests that Oswald's "defection" to the Soviet Union would be the first time that McCloy would use Oswald to achieve his mission.

Lee Harvey Oswald did attempt to contact someone named John Hurt after the assassination. McCloy was associated with NSA employee John B. Hurt and used information provided by Hurt when he attempted to stop the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

This information continues to tie together into a very neatly wrapped package.

It remains difficult for me to disregard it as a plausible scenario within the context of the assassination story.

Jim Root

Information on the Acheson - Lilienthal Report from US History .com posted below:

Foreign Affairs

Acheson-Lilienthal Report

1945-1946

By using its atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the United States revealed that it possessed weapons of unprecedented destructive power. Following the war, the question arose: How should this knowledge and technology be shared with the rest of the world? The Acheson-Lilienthal Report was the United States' first effort to answer that question. Although the report generated a great deal of discussion, it was ultimately unsuccessful.

Two schools of thought emerged immediately after the end of the war. One school, which had Secretary of War Henry Stimson as its chief spokesman, believed that the "secrets" of the atomic bomb were scientific in nature and could not be sequestered forever. They further felt that to hold the bomb ostentatiously in reserve while negotiating with the Soviet Union would simply drive them into developing their own weapon to restore the balance of power.

From the other school were men like Secretary of State James Byrnes, who felt that America's monopoly on atomic weapons had been honestly gained and should not be surrendered. In their view, the Soviet Union understood only power and nowhere was power so obviously concentrated as in the sole possession of atomic weapons.

President Harry S. Truman was torn between the two positions. Increasingly distrustful of the Soviet Union, he still didn't want to lead the world down a path of destruction. He continued to solicit views from both sides. Stimson presented his position in a final cabinet meeting on September 21, 1945, Stimson's 78th birthday and final day in office. Thereafter, the task of promoting his approach fell primarily on Undersecretary of State Dean Acheson.

Acheson and Stimson had advocated direct negotiations with the Soviet Union, while Byrnes and Vannevar Bush, the director of the office that controlled the Manhattan Project, preferred to use the United Nations as the forum. On that issue, Byrnes carried the day. His proposal to pass the responsibility for the control of atomic energy to a United Nations Atomic Energy Commission was endorsed by the Soviets at meetings in Moscow in December 1945.

That success left Truman and Byrnes with a dilemma. They had the forum, but the United States had not yet articulated a policy that it wished the new commission to adopt. To resolve the problem, Acheson was appointed to head a committee to set forth U.S. policy on atomic energy.

The other members of the committee were scientists James Conant and Vannevar Bush, John McCloy, and General Leslie R. Groves, who had been the military officer in charge of the Manhattan Project, that had produced the first atomic bomb. Acheson decided that the committee needed technical advice, so he appointed a board of consultants with David Lilienthal, the well-regarded chairman of the Tennessee Valley Authority, as chairman. Another member of the committee was even better known than Lilienthal. J. Robert Oppenheimer, Groves' counterpart on the science side of the Manhattan Project, provided influential advice. Oppenheimer’s contribution lay in the idea of policing the production of atomic weapons at their source mines.

On March 16, 1946, the committee's report was presented to the State Department, which released it to the public on March 28. The Report on the International Control of Atomic Energy soon became known as the Acheson-Lilienthal Report. The primary message of the report was that control of atomic energy through inspections and "police" operations was unlikely to succeed. Instead, the report proposed that all fissile material be owned by an international agency called the Atomic Development Authority, which would release small amounts to individual nations for the development of peaceful uses of atomic energy.

In the first years of the atomic era, it was generally believed that the great obstacle facing a would-be developer of an atomic bomb was the acquisition of sufficient fissile material. In response, the Acheson-Lilienthal Report proposed that the complete path from the uranium and thorium mines to post production be under international ownership.

In addition, the report proposed that the United States abandon its monopoly on atomic weapons, revealing what it knew to the Soviet Union in exchange for a mutual agreement against the development of additional atomic bombs. Truman accepted the report in general, but by appointing Bernard Baruch to carry the proposal forward, he opened the door to modifications of "immediate and sure punishment" for violations. In addition, those penalties could not be vetoed by the U.N. Security Council, both modifications that neither Acheson nor Lilienthal accepted. Those modifications ultimately led to the plan’s rejection by the Soviet Union.

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As I reread this post I find it interesting that Leslie Groves played an intersting role in the development of plans on how to use the scientific knowledge surrounding the sharing of atomic technology and that he seems to have been on the same side as McCloy.

In June of 1963 Groves would be the "go between" for an exchange of letters between future Warren Commissioner John J. McCloy and Oswald assassination target Major General Edwin Anderson Walker.

Coincidence perhps but I continue to believe that Nuclear Arms negotiations may have been the deciding factor in the assassination of JFK and that Edwin Walker may have been the one man who would have known exactly who was behind the assassination as soon as he saw that Oswald had been arrested for killing the President.

Jim Root

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I continue to find information that tends to support my belief that a very small group of powerful individuals within Government played the major role in the assassination of JFK.

........If my research is pointing in the proper direction it suggests that Oswald's "defection" to the Soviet Union would be the first time that McCloy would use Oswald to achieve his mission.

Lee Harvey Oswald did attempt to contact someone named John Hurt after the assassination. McCloy was associated with NSA employee John B. Hurt and used information provided by Hurt when he attempted to stop the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

This information continues to tie together into a very neatly wrapped package.

It remains difficult for me to disregard it as a plausible scenario within the context of the assassination story.

Jim Root

Jim,

From what I remember, the John Hurt of North Carolina, with whom there was telephone contact from Dallas City Jail, may have been Hurt calling Oswald. After his death his wife said he got drunk and called Dallas.

Is it confirmed that the John Hunt who had telephonic contact with Oswald in Dallas jail the same John B. Hunt of NSA and you say pals with McCloy?

Thanks,

BK

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As I reread this post I find it interesting that Leslie Groves played an intersting role in the development of plans on how to use the scientific knowledge surrounding the sharing of atomic technology and that he seems to have been on the same side as McCloy.

In June of 1963 Groves would be the "go between" for an exchange of letters between future Warren Commissioner John J. McCloy and Oswald assassination target Major General Edwin Anderson Walker.

Coincidence perhps but I continue to believe that Nuclear Arms negotiations may have been the deciding factor in the assassination of JFK and that Edwin Walker may have been the one man who would have known exactly who was behind the assassination as soon as he saw that Oswald had been arrested for killing the President.

Jim Root

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It has interested me that in 1945 and '46 it was plausible to advocate the sharing of atomic technology and still hold a high position in government, but by 1947 this was very rare. Jim, your post reminds me of Cord Meyer and the World Federalists. Do you think that both McCloy and Meyer were sincere in their advocating nuclear technology sharing, or were they trying to infiltrate groups who wanted to do this on behalf of US intelligence? If I recall correctly, Bird seems to accept that McCloy really did want to share the technology with the Russians in 1945. Do you agree that he really did want to do this? If so how long did he maintain this desire? Do members think Cord Meyer's World Federalism was merely an intelligence ploy?

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From all the information that I have gathered the "Raleigh" call was outgoing (there is an existing tape of a news reporter giving the account that Oswald attempted to make an outgoing call done hours or minutes before Oswald's own death). The account of Alveeta Treon, who disclosed information about the Raleigh call to the HSCA) makes it an outgoing call from Oswald.

I to have read the report that the wife of one of the two John Hurt's whose numbers were recovered by Alveeta A. Treon (from two numbers written by Louise Swinney) made a comment, after the death of her husband, that he had attempted to call Oswald while drunk. Because of the contempory news account saying that the call was outgoing and the fact that the John Hurt in question had denied that he had made or received any call while he was living casts a shadow on the statement made by his wife after her death.

The story details Oswald's attempt to make a "collect" call and that Mrs. Swinney had written down two numbers. Since Mrs. Treon came into work later than Mrs. Swinney she caught only part of the story. Some of the things that I speculate on are:

1) Before Oswald called the switchboard two SS agents were already in place because Oswald was going to make a call. Had Oswald already provided the infromation to the operator about the number he wished to call on a person to person collect call?

2) Why would Oswald provide two different numbers for two different John Hurts if Oswald knew who he was calling? Did Mrs. Swinney take it upon herself to locate two additional numbers for John Hurt in Raleigh, North Carolina when the person at the other end of the line refused the call from LHO or did not acknowledge that a John Hurt was at that number? Was the name "John Hurt" supposed to mean something to the person who was contacted? Did the use of the name "John Hurt" by LHO assure the death of LHO?

3) Oswald had used the switchboard to find the number for Jonathon Abt, the attorney he wished to use and Oswald made "person to person" collect calls in his failed attempts to reach Abt. Person to person calls at that time took time for an operator to place. This would allow Mrs. Swinney to know in advance that Oswald would be comming back on the line (which she did know and told Mrs. Treon that information) and would allow the opportunity for SS agents to be in place to be assured that Oswald was in fact attempting to contact a John Hurt.

None of this information made it into the Warren Commission report and according to the two John Hurt's whose numbers were recovered no one ever attempted to interview them as to why Oswald would attempt to call them at the time that the FBI and the CIA were investigating the assassination in 1964. They were not investigated until the HSCA did the investigation. This seems very strange unless the US Intelligence agents knew the John Hurt that LHO was attempting to contact was not actually a John Hurt whose number was listed in Raleigh, North Carolina.

I cannot believe that the FBI and CIA (NSA) would not have been all over the two John Hurts whose numbers Mrs. Seinney had written down if Lee Harvey Oswlad did actually attempt to contact either one of them. On the other hand if the CIA/NSA wanted to keep the name John Hurt from ever becoming known they would not wish to do an investigation of individuals with that name in conjunction with the investigation of the assassination of JFK (which is what seems to have happened).

Allow me to speculate further. According to my research there are several people of interest surrounding the investigation that was conducted on Oswald's potential intelligence contacts. The two people that we know were involved were Frank Rowlett and Meredith Gardner who worked for the NSA. Both Rowlett and Gardner worked closely with a real person named John B. Hurt. Both Rowlett and Gardner were involved with a World War Two era OSS operation known as Stella Polaris which began with an intercepted Japanese message (translated by Hurt). The operation centered around the movement Finish code breakers that had apparently been successful in breaking Soviet Codes. (Didn't Oswald enter the Soviet Union via Finland.....but I digress).

Rowlett and Gardner would be the two primary leaders in the successful efforts to break Soviet Codes known as the Venona Project (which was still ongoing at the time of the assassination of JFK). Despite, or perhaps because of, their work on Venona, Rowlett and Gardner would be assigned to investigate Oswald who had attempted to call a person named Hurt who was involved in the beginnings of the Venona Project. The report that Rowlett and Gardner submitted to the CIA for the Warren Commission remained classified for 40 years, why? Where their names and their work and their association with John B. Hurt too sensitive for public consumption?

This aforementioned World War II era operation was named Stella Polaris because the Norwegian ship that was dispatched to move the Finnish code breakers to neutral Sweeden was named the Stella Polaris. (There is a very good possibility that this ship was actually dispatched by Edwin Walker from Norway) Another man involved with this operation was Win Scott (in Mexico at the time that Oswald went to Mexico and a person that seems to have played a role in the Oswald/ Kennedy assassination mystery) and an OSS agent named Calvin Bryce Hoover who, as it turns out was a professor at Duke University in Raleigh Durham, North Carolina at the time of the assassination. Hoover remained a known CIA asset throughout his career.

While all of this may just be coincidence we have the known fact that nothing of the Raleigh call ever made it into the Warren Report, nothing! This is more than strange when you consider the signifigance of LHO attempting to contact a person just hours before he himself would die.

Was the person that Oswald attempted to call a CIA "cut out" as has been speculated for years? Was the name John Hurt a code word that would alert the "cut out" to the fact that Oswald had ties to someone at a very high level within US Intelligence (as John B. Hurt was)? Would this information assure the elimination of Oswald by US Intelligence (to prevent Oswald's association with US Intelligence from ever becomming known)? Would the conspirators be in a possition of knowing that if LHO provided the name of John Hurt to the right contact that the wheels would be put into motion to assure Oswalds's death without the conspirators having to order that death themselves? Didn't Oswald tell his own brother, while in custody, that he had contacts in some very high places?

John B. Hurt's work for the National Security Agency and its developmental organizations is still classified to this day! Why?

Jim Root

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Nathaniel

I will acknowledge my ignorance in the area of Cord Meyer and the World Federalists.

Having said that I will speak to what I have discovered about John J. McCloy.

1) He was a Warren Commissioner and was therefore in a position to be involved in a coverup of the details of a conspiracy if in fact there was a conspiracy to assassinate the President of the United States.

2) At the time of the assassination McCloy was on the "outs" with Kennedy and his adminsitration in the area of Arm Negotiations with the Soviets.

3) After the assassination of JFK McCloy would once again be on center stage in the arms negotiations with the Soviets.

4) John J. McCloy had used information provided by John B. Hurt to advise at least one US President in dealing with Nuclear Affairs.

5) John J. McCloy exchanged letters with Edwin Anderson Walker within days of Kennedy's change in position on Arms negotiations with the Soviets and McCloy's resignation as Chief Arms Negotiator for the Kennedy Administration.

6) McCloy consistantly advocated negotiations with the Soviets and was respected by the Soviet leadership for his open approach to negotiations with the Eastern Block.

7) McCloy, on at least two occassions, was aware of or assigned Edwin Walker (during WWII) to sensitive missions that McCloy took a particular interest in.

8) McCloy accomplished his desired results in limiting the spread of nuclear weapons only after the assassination of JFK.

Jim Root

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From all the information that I have gathered the "Raleigh" call was outgoing (there is an existing tape of a news reporter giving the account that Oswald attempted to make an outgoing call done hours or minutes before Oswald's own death). The account of Alveeta Treon, who disclosed information about the Raleigh call to the HSCA) makes it an outgoing call from Oswald.....

A very nice job of research and analysis, Jim; Concise and logical. I always look forward to reading your posts.

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This is a very interesting scenario, Jim, as far as I understand it. However, there are 'gaps' that I wonder if you could briefly elaborate on or point to sources which provide such.

Truman convinced the Soviets to withold their attack on Japan once their forces were freed from the west by the defeat of Germany.

This delay that led to the time to complete the atomic bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki (ie. an unnecessary 'testing' of the bomb on people and structures, as well as showing the Soviets that the USofA had the bomb in working order which in turn was significant in the Korean conflict where the Soviets essentially withdrew whereas if they had joined in the defeat* of Japan they would have had a serious foothold in the East and perhaps the longed for all year warm port. ( *which in a sense they had instigated by the pre Op Barbarossa period when the Soviets dealt a crushing blow to the Japanese and thus 'forced' the 'Go South' faction in Japan to reign supreme, and by 'going south' brought an end to the the US (largely Fifth Collumnistsic pro German, pro Asiatic elements such as the Bund and in turn in coalition with the KKK, America First, et.c..) isolationist stance (remember that during this time Donovan was 'frozen out' of the Pacific, and Walker was preparing his participation in the European Theatre, including the unnecessary debacle of Anzio and the 'games' played out in Italy (where a number of persons of interest coincided their times, including Walker, Angleton, DP witness R. R. Carr and others, plus the origin of GLADIO, the Black Prince and the Strategy of Tension. the fumbling of codes and communications that bogged down the rapid taking of Italy while the Germans were given ample time to destroy the largely Communist northern Partisans and Angleton taking the Black Prince who played a significant role in Anzio and was (following the taking of Italy) 'rehabilitaed' or 'rescued' by Angleton).

'Uncle Joe' was significantly well regarded by the US Army personnell at the end of the War in Europe. This connecton had to be destroyed, and Korea and Berlin played a significant role in this.

An Atomic Bomb, as every Physics student knows, is essentially a Very simple device. The precise delivery and the production of the fissionable material is not quite so simple, it's 'simple' but dangerous, time consuming and an advanced technology, to construct the capacity. IOW, there essentially is NO WAY to contain the development of the Bomb apart from Treaties and other means.

Norway, Walker: Norway was the last ally of Germany to Surrender, it was also at the time a significant source of heavy water, which I suggest made it very important for the Nazis. Walker (based there) repatriated POW's and at one period was seriously involved in the process of negotiating the Surrender of Germany with Norway as a base.

Norway, Walker, Repatriation: how significant was this in the movement of Ukranian (and others) Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (many of them ex EinsatzGruppen Kommando personnell (death squads) to the US (New Jersey (where Oswald disembarked and spent a night)) South/Latin America and the Middle East, all later locations of significant Human Rights Abuse and many of the problems the world faces today.) (Ewald Peters (KriminalRat,German head of security and among the entourage that visited LBJ a his Ranch in Dec '63, friend of USofA SS presidential Detail personnell and head of scurity of Kennedy's German visits and unmasked in Feb '64 as a commander of the EinastzGruppen that operated around Minsk (stay behind? Ghelen?) (arrested and 'committed suicide' jail shortly after arrest. (unmasked by East German Nazi hunters).

So the connections are many and varied and 'tis a wierd web wowen, with many perons of interest.

A big ask: How does all this fit with what you know?

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Michael

Thank you for the kind words.

John

It is very difficult for me to fill in all the "gaps" within the confines of these posts. I have so much information that I have been collecting over the past 13 or so years. The picture that has unfolded before my eyes is a very complex puzzle with a myriad of pieces. Each piece that I have found is creating a clearer and clearer picture but there is one problem with my picture, at least as far as most people on this forum would be concerned. The picture that I am looking at has been brought into focus by examining what motive Lee Harvey Oswald would have had for shooting at Major General Edwin Anderson Walker.

It seems that most on this Forum do not believe that Oswald shot at Walker. If true the information that I have found would lead nowhere but my problem is that the information that I have found leads directly to Oswald having a motive to shoot at Walker. This seems to create a complex delemma for most who are here. If my information is correct there was a conspiracy that involved Oswald as shooter. I wish that someone could show me where the information that I have discovered (by following this trail) is nothing more than a series of coincidences so numerous as to make the probability of their not leading directly toward John J. McCloy and Maxwell Taylor as the two primary conspirators impossible. Why do they lead to this conclusion and this conclusion alone?

By researching the life of Walker I have found a connection to John B. Hurt, John J. McCloy, Oswald's defecion to the Soviet Union, counter intelligence operations, etc., etc.

You wrote: "Norway, Walker: Norway was the last ally of Germany to Surrender, it was also at the time a significant source of heavy water, which I suggest made it very important for the Nazis. Walker (based there) repatriated POW's and at one period was seriously involved in the process of negotiating the Surrender of Germany with Norway as a base.

Norway, Walker, Repatriation: how significant was this in the movement of Ukranian (and others) Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (many of them ex EinsatzGruppen Kommando personnell (death squads) to the US (New Jersey (where Oswald disembarked and spent a night)) South/Latin America and the Middle East, all later locations of significant Human Rights Abuse and many of the problems the world faces today.) (Ewald Peters (KriminalRat,German head of security and among the entourage that visited LBJ a his Ranch in Dec '63, friend of USofA SS presidential Detail personnell and head of scurity of Kennedy's German visits and unmasked in Feb '64 as a commander of the EinastzGruppen that operated around Minsk (stay behind? Ghelen?) (arrested and 'committed suicide' jail shortly after arrest. (unmasked by East German Nazi hunters)."

Good questions. What I can say is that Walker was involved in the processing of large numbers of people or POW's three times during his military career. He became known as an expert within the military community for this prowess. The question becomes was Walker assigned to search for potential intelligence assets to be used by US Intelligence. It is my belief (and I feel I have enough documentation to show) that Walker was deeply involved in couner intelligence as opposed to intelligence gathering. As such, it is my belief that Walker was a trusted hand in dealing with the most sensitive counter intel operations that the US was involved in both overseas and abroad. Is it a coincidence that he was traveling in Europe at the same time as Oswald was traveling to Helsinki? Is it a coincidence that the Warren Report did not provide passenger lists for the routes that Oswald used to travel to Helsinki? Is it a coincidence that Antti was able to discover additional routes that Oswald could have used to get to Helsinki that would be the same routes that Walker would have used to get to Augsburg? Is it a coincidence that Oswald showed up at the Soviet Embassy in Helsinki with his first class Intourist vouchers in hand (information that was obtained by the US Ambassador in Helsinki one day before Oswald arrived)?

If my information is correct, as I believe that it is, the Walker described within the Warren Commission Report is not the Walker that was the trusted sidekick of Maxwell Taylor.

Who was Walker? Why has his real military career been obsured by his post Kennedy election career? Is the Walker connection the key to unravelling the truth surrounding the assassination of JFK?

At least for me, the examination of the life of E. A. Walker has been a trip into the world of international espionage that paints a picture all to clear.

Please feel free to ask specific questions and I will attempt to provide the answers that clarify the assassination story as I have seen it unfold.

Jim Root.

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First the how:

According to McCloy's biographer Kai Bird, "..only after wheedling a reluctant promise from Warren to chair the Commission did Johnson approach McCloy. As a Republican who had served Kennedy, the Milbank, Tweed lawyer was an ideal choice. Johnson's chief behind the scenes advisor, Abe Fortas, suggestedMcCloy's name. Fortas had known McCloy ever since their occasional tiffs during World War II over the intenment of the Japanese Americans. He was also aware of McCloy's prewar detective work on the Black Tom case. In addition to everything else that McClo symbolized-bipartisanship, a deep and long familiarity with the law, and a reputation for sound and sober judgment in serving four previous presidents- his Black Tom credentials made him peculiarly suited for the purpose at hand."

The why:

It has been suggested that McCloy was added because he was "trusted" by the Europeans. McCloy himself would say that he didn't want the US viewed as some "Bannana Republic" that could oust a leader in a political coup.

The reality:

McCloy did not followup on Oswald's travel to Russia (travel of German Agents was used in uncovering those responsible for Black Tom) dispite the fact that even in the period of WWI US Intelligence could track the movements of most anyone around the world.

While involved in the questioning of Agent Hosty it was reveiled that 18 days before the assassination of JFK Hosty had filed a report that stated where Oswald was working. This report was not given a Commission Exhibit Number (although two other reports by Hosty were). This is at beat a formidable error on the great investigator McCloy's part. The people who had access to this report, provided before the motorcade route was decided upon, could have been potential conspirators but were never investigated because the report was only mentioned in Agent Hosty's testimony.

The fact that Oswald's call, while in custody, to someone named John Hurt is never mentioned in the Commission Report is a serious ommission at best. The fact that a John Hurt had worked directly for John J. McCloy prior to and during WWII seems to be a strange coincidence at best. During Congressional hearings on the intenment of Japanese during WWII, McCloy speaks a great deal about the information he was receiving from the"Magic" intercepts. He speaks specifically of information that was translated and enhanced with additonal notes by John B. Hurt which was provided for him as the decissions were being made to intern the Japanese.

Looking at the state of mind prior to the assassination of JFK"

McCloy had played a major role in the negotiations that led to a successfull end to the Cuban Missle Crisis. He felt that there was a perfect opportunity to parley this moment in history to achieve substantial progress in disarmament talks with the Soviets. Kennedy balked at the idea, so much so that McCloy refused to go to Moscow to negotiate the Limited Test Ban Treaty of 1963. In discussions with Dwight Eisenhower McCloy shared his concerns with the lack of logical leadership that the Kennedy brothers were displaying in international dealings with the Soviets. McCloy expressed a desire to have a Republican in the White House but felt that there were none that could win the 1964 election. McCloy was upset with Kennedy's waffleling on Vietnam and felt that we should lay off of Castro and Cuba if we expected the Soviets to act in a civilized maner in other parts of the world. In this respect McCloy's views were very much aligned with what Oswald was advocating, Hands Off Cuba, because McCly did not see Cuba as an important area to gamble US credibility upon. McCloy also knew that the Soviets wanted a no invasion guarentee on Cuba, something that the Kennedy's refused to go along with as Bobby Kennedy continued to support covert opperations against Castro.

Interestingly enough we now know that it would be Bobby's intrigues that produced the reason why Oswald's pro-Cuban activities and movements were being monitored in the months procceeding the assassination of JFK. In, perhaps an unitentional slip, it would be Edwin Anderson Walker that would suggest that Bobby Kennedy had allowed Oswald to continue his activities after the failed assassination attempt on Walker (after which the FBI began to monitor Oswald's activities and movements).

How did Walker know that it was actually Bobby Kennedy's program that was monitoring Oswald even though this information would not become public untill years later?

It seems that Walker was right on the money in this particular understanding of what was occuring in US - Cuban affairs and knew that Oswald was an important player in some espionage game that would absorb the interest in those at the highest levels of the CIA.

How did Walker know that this was true at that time unless he could surmize what was actually going on with Oswald (leading us to additional questions about Oswald and Walker)?

Jim Root

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