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Is this an honest mistake by MPI or a smoking gun?

The top film is from the Peter Jennings special.

The bottom is from MPI.

I believe both were made from the version in the National Archives.

Watch where Jackie's hat lands in relationship to Altgen's legs.

347 matches.

348 matches.

349 problems.

(Hat to leg) relation is wrong.

What happen's to Altgen's legs in the MPI version.

chris

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Is this an honest mistake by MPI or a smoking gun?

The top film is from the Peter Jennings special.

The bottom is from MPI.

I believe both were made from the version in the National Archives.

Watch where Jackie's hat lands in relationship to Altgen's legs.

347 matches.

348 matches.

349 problems.

(Hat to leg) relation is wrong.

What happen's to Altgen's legs in the MPI version.

chris

I previously posted some frames... However, I realized that I had several more versions of the Z-film to consider.

Dr. Costella's combined edit has a Z341 that does not appear to be in the MPI version. Also, the frame you posted above (Jennings version) is Z350 in the Costella combined edit version. The "MPI Z349" that you show, is Z351 in Costella.

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Is this an honest mistake by MPI or a smoking gun?

The top film is from the Peter Jennings special.

The bottom is from MPI.

I believe both were made from the version in the National Archives.

Watch where Jackie's hat lands in relationship to Altgen's legs.

347 matches.

348 matches.

349 problems.

(Hat to leg) relation is wrong.

What happen's to Altgen's legs in the MPI version.

chris

Interesting...

Here is 349 from MPI (Under sprocket frame):

zapruder349-2.jpg

and the MPI "track Limo" version:

zapruder349.jpg

and from Groden's optically enlarged version from the NFV DVD:

Z349-NFV-Zoom.jpg

and a full frame image from Groden's DVD:

Z349-NFV-Normal.jpg

I'd say the top version is questionable... the lower (MPI) version seems to be consistent with all the versions I have.

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Is this an honest mistake by MPI or a smoking gun?

The top film is from the Peter Jennings special.

The bottom is from MPI.

I believe both were made from the version in the National Archives.

Watch where Jackie's hat lands in relationship to Altgen's legs.

347 matches.

348 matches.

349 problems.

(Hat to leg) relation is wrong.

What happen's to Altgen's legs in the MPI version.

chris

I previously posted some frames... However, I realized that I had several more versions of the Z-film to consider.

Dr. Costella's combined edit has a Z341 that does not appear to be in the MPI version. Also, the frame you posted above (Jennings version) is Z350 in the Costella combined edit version. The "MPI Z349" that you show, is Z351 in Costella.

Thanks Frank,

so much for my cross-referencing skills.

chris

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Is this an honest mistake by MPI or a smoking gun?

The top film is from the Peter Jennings special.

The bottom is from MPI.

I believe both were made from the version in the National Archives.

Watch where Jackie's hat lands in relationship to Altgen's legs.

347 matches.

348 matches.

349 problems.

(Hat to leg) relation is wrong.

What happen's to Altgen's legs in the MPI version.

chris

MPI made mistakes in their numbering. Also, what happen with Altgens legs can be seen in other places on the Zfilm, as well. The couple at the top of MPI Zframe 344 is just one example. Take notice of the peoples legs in Z301 and Z302 that were walking behind Toni Foster.

Bill

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Is this an honest mistake by MPI or a smoking gun?

The top film is from the Peter Jennings special.

The bottom is from MPI.

I believe both were made from the version in the National Archives.

Watch where Jackie's hat lands in relationship to Altgen's legs.

347 matches.

348 matches.

349 problems.

(Hat to leg) relation is wrong.

What happen's to Altgen's legs in the MPI version.

chris

MPI made mistakes in their numbering. Also, what happen with Altgens legs can be seen in other places on the Zfilm, as well. The couple at the top of MPI Zframe 344 is just one example. Take notice of the peoples legs in Z301 and Z302 that were walking behind Toni Foster.

Bill

We should produce a comprehensive list of erroneous MPI frames. I knew about the missing frames in the early portion of the film -- the numbering even skips correctly. It is fairly easy to make a "corrected" version that includes these missing frames. However, to fix the higher numbered frames, I'm going to have to fix the numbering on each individual frame (sigh) in all 4 versions (sigh, again). Needless to say, I only want to do this one time...

Is Dr. Costella's version correct? If so, I'm going to use it as a sanity check for re-numbering.

This is also going to cause us to re-consider our film sync sanity checks that involve higher numbered frames. Mathematically, I'm not too worried, as a frame is just an event that happens in time. However, when we go to visually compare frames, we'll need to be certain that what we are seeing really *is* what happened at the particular moment...

MPI (or whomever is holding them) needs to release the full-resolution stills of each frame. Between poor frame registration, mis-numbered frames, and MPEG2 compression, we have less than the ideal images with which to work.

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Is Dr. Costella's version correct? If so, I'm going to use it as a sanity check for re-numbering.

The answer is "Yes" ... I believe Costella got them correct. Also, the best image source that I can offer is to load the frames from the movie JFK because that is one of the better and clearest images of the assassination you will get to use at this time. Those images are far better than MPI's IMO.

Bill

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Is Dr. Costella's version correct? If so, I'm going to use it as a sanity check for re-numbering.

The answer ios "Yes" ... I believe Costella got them correct. Also, the best image source that I can offer is to load the frames from the movie JFK because that is one of the better and clearest images of the assassination you will get to use at this time. Those images are far better than MPI's IMO.

Bill

Thanks, Bill.

I'm going to spend a little time re-numbering MPI's frames to match Costella's version. This isn't a big deal for the frames that do not have a number juxtaposed on them.

I also plan to generate individual frames from the NFV DVD as well as "JFK".

I just wish MPI would have employed some rather simple quality control to their efforts.

The total and correct number of frames is 486, right?

MPI is missing 155 & 156 (but skips numbering accordingly)

MPI is missing 208, 209, 210, & 211 (but skips numbering accordingly)

MPI is missing the correct Z341. What they show and have numbered as 341 is actually 342

MPI is missing the correct Z350. What they show and have numbered as 349 is actually 351

MPI stops at what is numbered 483 but is in reality 485.

MPI does not include 486.

Anything I missed?

(Edit -- Brain damage -- corrected to show the correct numbering... sorry)

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