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Trying to enhance what little is there.

chris

The animation is 4 consecutive Wiegman frames.

The photo is the upper left corner enhanced.

He sure looks like that white shirted guy on the wall.

Appears to have something up to his face, could he be filming?

It's not Zapruder.

chris

Edited: Perhaps that's a gun in his hand and not a camera.

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Trying to enhance what little is there.

chris

The animation is 4 consecutive Wiegman frames.

The photo is the upper left corner enhanced.

He sure looks like that white shirted guy on the wall.

Appears to have something up to his face, could he be filming?

It's not Zapruder.

chris

Edited: Perhaps that's a gun in his hand and not a camera.

Here's a little bigger version.

A gun or a camera. You decide.

chris

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Robin, although I did show that frame, I'm concentrating on a different frame from Wiegman.

Here it is.

Try stepping back from your computer about 10 feet as you view the enlarged version.

thanks,

chris

P.S.

Antti, It is not Gordon Arnold, but I'm glad you see him. I think he's the other cameraman.

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Robin, although I did show that frame, I'm concentrating on a different frame from Wiegman.

Here it is.

Try stepping back from your computer about 10 feet as you view the enlarged version.

thanks,

chris

P.S.

Antti, It is not Gordon Arnold, but I'm glad you see him. I think he's the other cameraman.

Same area noted in 5 different photo's + Wiegman, and how the long haired man fits into them.

chris

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Chris...call me dense, but I have been following this with

interest, but I still do not comprehend exactly what you

are trying to show. It appears to be a man, but I do not

understand exactly where he is and what he is doing. Your

red box seems to be high up in the trees. Are you suggesting

he was up in a tree?

Have you considered how far into the Wiegman film he

appears?

Your gif flashes too fast to assimilate quickly. It needs to

run much more slowly.

Thanks.

Jack

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Chris...call me dense, but I have been following this with

interest, but I still do not comprehend exactly what you

are trying to show. It appears to be a man, but I do not

understand exactly where he is and what he is doing. Your

red box seems to be high up in the trees. Are you suggesting

he was up in a tree?

Have you considered how far into the Wiegman film he

appears?

Your gif flashes too fast to assimilate quickly. It needs to

run much more slowly.

Thanks.

Jack

Jack,

You are following correctly. The image appears in the area I have the red box around.

I showed that area from 5 different photos supplied in my previous post.

Is it possible to create an image of a long haired gentleman from any one of these photos, in that area?

In my opinion, no.

But yet, in Wiegman's movie, we already have a long haired gentleman with a white shirt, on the wall, discovered some time ago.

Now I come across another frame which is Earlier in the movie, and this guy also has long hair with something black in his hand.

If you remember our previous discussion on the other forum, concerning the white shirt guy on the wall, I pointed out he also has something in his hand which is black.

Is this a coincidence?

Yes, he is in the trees according to the frame, and I don't believe this can be.

But, I'm not an artist either, and can't create long haired gentleman.

chris

P.S.

Here's the gif again, a little bigger and slower.

It shows the Wiegman image appearing in the other 5 photos red box area.

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Chris...call me dense, but I have been following this with

interest, but I still do not comprehend exactly what you

are trying to show. It appears to be a man, but I do not

understand exactly where he is and what he is doing. Your

red box seems to be high up in the trees. Are you suggesting

he was up in a tree?

Have you considered how far into the Wiegman film he

appears?

Your gif flashes too fast to assimilate quickly. It needs to

run much more slowly.

Thanks.

Jack

Jack,

You are following correctly. The image appears in the area I have the red box around.

I showed that area from 5 different photos supplied in my previous post.

Is it possible to create an image of a long haired gentleman from any one of these photos, in that area?

In my opinion, no.

But yet, in Wiegman's movie, we already have a long haired gentleman with a white shirt, on the wall, discovered some time ago.

Now I come across another frame which is Earlier in the movie, and this guy also has long hair with something black in his hand.

If you remember our previous discussion on the other forum, concerning the white shirt guy on the wall, I pointed out he also has something in his hand which is black.

Is this a coincidence?

Yes, he is in the trees according to the frame, and I don't believe this can be.

But, I'm not an artist either, and can't create long haired gentleman.

chris

P.S.

Here's the gif again, a little bigger and slower.

It shows the Wiegman image appearing in the other 5 photos red box area.

I AM dense. I still don't understand unless you are saying the "man" is an illusion.

I am very interested in what is on the pedestal. I am not interest in a man in

the red box in the sky.

Jack

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Chris...call me dense, but I have been following this with

interest, but I still do not comprehend exactly what you

are trying to show. It appears to be a man, but I do not

understand exactly where he is and what he is doing. Your

red box seems to be high up in the trees. Are you suggesting

he was up in a tree?

Have you considered how far into the Wiegman film he

appears?

Your gif flashes too fast to assimilate quickly. It needs to

run much more slowly.

Thanks.

Jack

Jack,

You are following correctly. The image appears in the area I have the red box around.

I showed that area from 5 different photos supplied in my previous post.

Is it possible to create an image of a long haired gentleman from any one of these photos, in that area?

In my opinion, no.

But yet, in Wiegman's movie, we already have a long haired gentleman with a white shirt, on the wall, discovered some time ago.

Now I come across another frame which is Earlier in the movie, and this guy also has long hair with something black in his hand.

If you remember our previous discussion on the other forum, concerning the white shirt guy on the wall, I pointed out he also has something in his hand which is black.

Is this a coincidence?

Yes, he is in the trees according to the frame, and I don't believe this can be.

But, I'm not an artist either, and can't create long haired gentleman.

chris

P.S.

Here's the gif again, a little bigger and slower.

It shows the Wiegman image appearing in the other 5 photos red box area.

I AM dense. I still don't understand unless you are saying the "man" is an illusion.

I am very interested in what is on the pedestal. I am not interest in a man in

the red box in the sky.

Jack

NOV.01..1965 : Telephone conversation between David Lifton and the

"Associated Press photographer/news photo editor/wire photo operator,

James WILLIAM ALTGENS," Ike"......

He was friendly on the phone and mentioned quite casually that just before the

motorcade came by, a number of people suddenly appeared behind the wall on

the knoll. He added that he thought it was an odd place to watch the parade

from since the car would speed up right there as it entered the Stemmons

Freeway. This was new, exciting information, but I was worried that Altgens

might be confusing this recollection with his description of people on the

overpass, which was mentioned in his Warren Commission testimony. But he

assured me he was talking about the wall on the grassy knoll--to the right of

the stairs when one faced the knoll.

When I asked Altgens if there were any police among the "people" he saw, he

replied, "I seem to remember that there were. "

Jack, your response in BDM thread below:

Regarding BLACKDOGMAN...my opinion again, if anyone is interested:

1. BDM is NOT Gordon Arnold.

2. BDM is not a gunman.

3. BDM is seen ONLY in two photos...Willis and Betzner.

4. BDM is NOT seen in Moorman.

5. BDM is not seen in any movies.

6. BDM in Willis and Betzner IS VERY BLURRY AND INDISTINCT.

After studying all the facts, my guess is that BDM was added to Willis and Betzner

by RETOUCHING to HIDE A MAN IN UNIFORM OPERATING A CAMERA. Such an image

of an UNIDENTIFIED SOLDIER TAKING PHOTOS WAS VERY TROUBLESOME TO THE

CONSPIRATORS.

In short, BDM did not really exist, in my opinion...or there would be other evidence

of him than only two blurry indistinct images.

Jack,

Why can't I use the same reasoning as you did in your reply about BDM, with regards to the man on the pedestal or the image in the sky.

Don't see that white shirted man in any other photos or movies except Wiegman.

If photos were altered, why not movies?

Yet, here are two photos. At least a man in each. Are they both illusions?

Other's have claimed there is another version of the Zfilm, I believe it.

Where is Z and Sitz in the Wiegman film.

Z is wearing a dark suit in all other films/photos, but not in Wiegman. They are not there.

Please, somebody/anybody prove that gentleman on the pedestal is in a dark suit

Conspiracy!

chris

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Trying to enhance what little is there.

chris

The animation is 4 consecutive Wiegman frames.

The photo is the upper left corner enhanced.

He sure looks like that white shirted guy on the wall.

Appears to have something up to his face, could he be filming?

It's not Zapruder.

chris

Edited: Perhaps that's a gun in his hand and not a camera.

Chris, you must be joking! One would have a better chance of pushing that off as an image of Jesus. Do you have any idea as to how large someone would be to be that much further back from the camera that location is compared to the pedestal that Zapruder stood on? You have taken a large opening in the tree foliage and by observing some overhanging branches - you have come up with a figure. I am sure that if you go back and consider its size in relation to the distance from the camera - you'll have to admit that its just an illusion. One should treat themselves to going to the 6th Floor Museum and see the film there - its quality far exceeds that of which Groden offered. Playing around with severely blurrred B&W images is like pouring gas onto the ground in direct sunlight and then start looking for shapes of asassins.

Bill

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Thanks, Chris...I get your point now. But the man in the white shirt

on the pedestal SEEMS PLAUSIBLE. The "man" in the red box does NOT.

I don't have it handy, and cannot post photos here anymore anyway,

but in some versions of Moorman, plainly up in the tree is a negro in

a white t-shirt which is much more convincing than your man in the

red box. Illusions exist. I used to show this in my slide shows to

show how it is possible to see "gunmen" everywhere, like the Marcus

image.

The man on the pedestal MAY be an illusion...BUT THEN AN EXPLANATION

IS REQUIRED FOR THE ABSENCE OF ZAPRUDER AND SITZMAN.

Thanks.

Jack

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Trying to enhance what little is there.

chris

The animation is 4 consecutive Wiegman frames.

The photo is the upper left corner enhanced.

He sure looks like that white shirted guy on the wall.

Appears to have something up to his face, could he be filming?

It's not Zapruder.

chris

Edited: Perhaps that's a gun in his hand and not a camera.

Chris, you must be joking! One would have a better chance of pushing that off as an image of Jesus. Do you have any idea as to how large someone would be to be that much further back from the camera that location is compared to the pedestal that Zapruder stood on? You have taken a large opening in the tree foliage and by observing some overhanging branches - you have come up with a figure. I am sure that if you go back and consider its size in relation to the distance from the camera - you'll have to admit that its just an illusion. One should treat themselves to going to the 6th Floor Museum and see the film there - its quality far exceeds that of which Groden offered. Playing around with severely blurrred B&W images is like pouring gas onto the ground in direct sunlight and then start looking for shapes of asassins.

Bill

Glad you see the Jesus figure also.

This frame was taken from the Discovery DVD "Murder in Dealy Plaza" which if I'm not mistaken, is the version from the 6th Floor museum.

Maybe someone can provide an even better copy of that frame to show me I'm wrong.

It's not Groden's version.

WHO'S ON THE PEDESTAL?

Is that created from trees and foliage also.

chris

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Thanks, Chris...I get your point now. But the man in the white shirt

on the pedestal SEEMS PLAUSIBLE. The "man" in the red box does NOT.

The man on the pedestal MAY be an illusion...BUT THEN AN EXPLANATION

IS REQUIRED FOR THE ABSENCE OF ZAPRUDER AND SITZMAN.

Thanks.

Jack

The explanation for Zapruder and Sitzman's absence off the pedestal in the Wiegman film is due to a combination of severely blurred frames and the limited color tones of a B&W image. Bronson's slide captured Zapruder and Sitzman on the pedestal - Bronson's film, Nix's film, Moorman's photo taken and photographed for TV not 30 minutes following the assassination all show Zapruder and Sitzman on the pedestal. The Willis and Betzner photos show Zapruder and Sitzman on the pedestal. Patsy Paschall's film captures Sitzman at the pedestal as Zapruder is hopping down from it. Altgens takes a photo showing Sitzman and Zapruder starting to leave the pedestal. So someone tell me why in the hell there is a need to think that something might be up when a blurry balck and white film doesn't show the detail needed to separate Zapruder and Sitzman from the background of the knoll?

Below is the Betzner photo - add motion blur to match that of the Wiegman film and Zapruder/Sitzman/and the BDM all disappear. Is anyone keeping track at how many times this has had to be explained?!!

Bill

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