Chuck Robbins Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Listed in the national archives are FBI intercepts of letters to Jack Ruby which are in Hungarian. One document, which was translated, was from J. Jesus Angleton himself. Here are some of the listings. ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM : CIA TO : FBI TITLE : COVER SHEET FOR TWO PIECES OF MAIL (IN <b>HUNGARIAN</b>) INTERCEPTED FROM JOHN RUBY OF CHICAGO, ILLINOIS, PASSED ON TO THE FBI. DATE : 11/26/1963 PAGES : 1 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : MAIL INTERCEPT; RUBY, JACK CLASSIFICATION : SECRET RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 08/13/1993 COMMENTS : JFK34 : F4 : 1993.08.13.14:30:30:840007 : PREVIOUSLY SANITIZED DOCUMENT. AGENCY : CIA RECORD NUMBER : 104-10127-10211 RECORDS SERIES : JFK AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A <p> </p><center><h3>DOCUMENT INFORMATION</h3></center> ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM : ANGLETON, JAMES, CIA TO : DIR/FBI TITLE : HUNTER REPORT #10816 [iTEMS ADDRESSED TO JOHN RUBY WRITTEN IN <b>HUNGARIAN</b> TRANSLATED FOR FBI]. DATE : 11/26/1963 PAGES : 1 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : <b>HUNGARIAN</b>; RUBY, JACK CLASSIFICATION : SECRET RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN AGENCY : DOJ RECORD NUMBER : 179-20002-10008 RECORDS SERIES : CLASSIFIED SUBJECT FILE 129-11, OFFICIAL MAIL SECT. 14 <p> </p><center><h3>DOCUMENT INFORMATION</h3></center> ORIGINATOR : DOS FROM : AMLEGATION BUDAPEST TO : DEPARTMENT OF STATE TITLE : [No Title] DATE : 07/25/1966 PAGES : 3 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : ARTICLES ON ASSASSINATION IN <b>HUNGARIAN</b> NEWPAPER CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED RESTRICTIONS : REFERRED CURRENT STATUS : POSTPONED IN FULL DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 00/00/0000 COMMENTS : BOX 56 AGENCY : HSCA RECORD NUMBER : 180-10039-10181 RECORDS SERIES : FBI CASE FILE AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 105-82555-3841 <p> </p><center><h3>DOCUMENT INFORMATION</h3></center> ORIGINATOR : FBI FROM : HOOVER, J. EDGAR TO : RANKIN, J. LEE TITLE : [No Title] DATE : 05/21/1964 PAGES : 1 DOCUMENT TYPE : LETTER SUBJECTS : OSWALD, LEE; " MAGYER ELET " (<b>HUNGARIAN</b> RIFLE) CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 05/27/1993 COMMENTS : Box 24. Folder Title: Section 160. There are more. Magyar Elet is "Hungarian Life", not hungarian rifle. Whether this is the Hungarian version of LIFE magazine...I don't know for sure. If it is, Oswald read Hungarian as well? Ruby able to read Hungarian.....hmmmmm. What next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mark Valenti Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 As detailed in the records of the Dallas Police, Jack Ruby received a mountain of mail from people all around the world after he was publicly identified as Oswald's killer. This could be something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Listed in the national archives are FBI intercepts of letters to Jack Ruby which are in Hungarian.One document, which was translated, was from J. Jesus Angleton himself. Here are some of the listings. ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM : CIA TO : FBI TITLE : COVER SHEET FOR TWO PIECES OF MAIL (IN <b>HUNGARIAN</b>) INTERCEPTED FROM JOHN RUBY OF CHICAGO, ILLINOIS, PASSED ON TO THE FBI. DATE : 11/26/1963 PAGES : 1 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : MAIL INTERCEPT; RUBY, JACK CLASSIFICATION : SECRET RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 08/13/1993 COMMENTS : JFK34 : F4 : 1993.08.13.14:30:30:840007 : PREVIOUSLY SANITIZED DOCUMENT. AGENCY : CIA RECORD NUMBER : 104-10127-10211 RECORDS SERIES : JFK AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A <p> </p><center><h3>DOCUMENT INFORMATION</h3></center> ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM : ANGLETON, JAMES, CIA TO : DIR/FBI TITLE : HUNTER REPORT #10816 [iTEMS ADDRESSED TO JOHN RUBY WRITTEN IN <b>HUNGARIAN</b> TRANSLATED FOR FBI]. DATE : 11/26/1963 PAGES : 1 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : <b>HUNGARIAN</b>; RUBY, JACK CLASSIFICATION : SECRET RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN AGENCY : DOJ RECORD NUMBER : 179-20002-10008 RECORDS SERIES : CLASSIFIED SUBJECT FILE 129-11, OFFICIAL MAIL SECT. 14 <p> </p><center><h3>DOCUMENT INFORMATION</h3></center> ORIGINATOR : DOS FROM : AMLEGATION BUDAPEST TO : DEPARTMENT OF STATE TITLE : [No Title] DATE : 07/25/1966 PAGES : 3 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : ARTICLES ON ASSASSINATION IN <b>HUNGARIAN</b> NEWPAPER CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED RESTRICTIONS : REFERRED CURRENT STATUS : POSTPONED IN FULL DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 00/00/0000 COMMENTS : BOX 56 AGENCY : HSCA RECORD NUMBER : 180-10039-10181 RECORDS SERIES : FBI CASE FILE AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 105-82555-3841 <p> </p><center><h3>DOCUMENT INFORMATION</h3></center> ORIGINATOR : FBI FROM : HOOVER, J. EDGAR TO : RANKIN, J. LEE TITLE : [No Title] DATE : 05/21/1964 PAGES : 1 DOCUMENT TYPE : LETTER SUBJECTS : OSWALD, LEE; " MAGYER ELET " (<b>HUNGARIAN</b> RIFLE) CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 05/27/1993 COMMENTS : Box 24. Folder Title: Section 160. There are more. Magyar Elet is "Hungarian Life", not hungarian rifle. Whether this is the Hungarian version of LIFE magazine...I don't know for sure. If it is, Oswald read Hungarian as well? Ruby able to read Hungarian.....hmmmmm. What next? John Armstrong thinks HARVEY was Hungarian. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Robbins Posted January 29, 2007 Author Share Posted January 29, 2007 As detailed in the records of the Dallas Police, Jack Ruby received a mountain of mail from people all around the world after he was publicly identified as Oswald's killer. This could be something along those lines. The date of origin shown for 2 of these documents is 11/26/63. There was no time for mail to be delivered, intercepted, translated and made available to the FBI by that date. Oswald was killed on a Sunday, I believe. Monday, the 25th, would have been the earliest any mail could have been placed into the U. S. mail system. I doubt very seriously that any mail, sent from any location except Dallas, could have been delivered by the 26th. Take a little time to examine the data these references contain. Do you still feel they are simply Ruby's "fan mail"? Notice the use of the name John in the subject title, while using Jack in the actual document. Perhaps this was done to help bury the document? The point I tried to make was simply that it appears that Oswald and Ruby were both able to read (and speak?) Hungarian. That, in my opinion, is very curious information indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cloud Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Fascinating. At the risk of "bumping" this thread, perhaps someone could please post a link to this report on Ruby speaking Hungarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cloud Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 http://jfkassassinationindex.blogspot.com/2011/09/r.html?m=1 RUBY, JOHN Items written in Hungarian addressed to Ruby at above address turned over to FBI by CIA on 11/26/63. Subject: HUNTER Report; items 56MO5K and 59D09BX in the HTLINGUAL records were written in the Hungarian language and were addressed to John Ruby. "The items are not believed to be pertinent to the Oswald case." CIA 1520-1095; CIA 1593-1121-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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