Robert Howard Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 I have made a list of some, by no means all, of some very good research periodicals. These issues can be found on maryferrell.org, but my reasoning for putting it here on the Education Forum is to give everyone the ability to see what is out there, so to speak.......As JFK Research is very much a David versus Goliath proposition.....I hope it will be of benefit......Robert The 3rd Decade The 3rd Decade - Vol 1 Issue 1 page 2, The Last Investigation, by Gaeton Fonzi page 21, Loose Ends In the Death of George DeMohrenschildt, by Jerry D. Rose page 29, Profiles: Assassination Researchers at Work by the Editor The 3rd Decade - Vol 1 Issue 2 page 17, Who Were These Men? The Dallas Connection, by George Michael Evica The 3rd Decade - Vol 1 Issue 3 page 1, The Secret Service at Dealey Plaza..., by Patricia Lambert AND page 8, Dallas Mosaic: The Cops, The Cubans, and the Company, by Philip H. Melanson The 3rd Decade - Vol 1 Issue 4 page 14, Agent 179: The Making of a Dirty Rumor, by Jerry D. Rose The 3rd Decade - Vol 1 Issue 5 page 1, The Final Investigation? The HSCA and Army Intelligence, by Paul L. Hoch page 5, Jack Ruby and the FBI, by Jerry D. Rose page 9, The Trip That Never Was: Oswald In Mexico, by Jerry D. Rose The 3rd Decade, Volume 1, Issue 6 page 13, Frank Sinatra's Assassination Role: Telling It Like It Wasn't, by Martin Shackelford The Third Decade, Volume 2, Issue 2 page 6, Third Decade Document Discovery: The Congress of Freedom Papers by Edward Tatro page 13, News Briefs From Dallas, compiled by Larry Ray Harris The 3rd Decade, Volume 2, Issue 4 page 1, Somozas On the Grassy Knoll?, by Scott Van Wynsberghe The 3rd Decade, Volume 2, Issue 6 page 1, High Tech Mysterious Deaths, by Philip H. Melanson The 3rd Decade, Volume 3, Issue 1 page 1, John J. Abt: Did Oswald Ask For Him?, by Timothy Cwiek The 3rd Decade, Volume 3, Issue 3 page 1, Dead Suspects - Part 3, by Scott Van Wynsberghe The 3rd Decade, Volume 3, Issue 4 page 14, The Second Oswald In Custody?, by Jerry D. Rose The 3rd Decade, Volume 3, Issue 6 page 14, WCE 111 and the Grille Cipher, by Emory L. Brown, Jr. The 3rd Decade, Volume 4, Issue 1 page 1, You Don't Know Me But You Will: The World of Jack Ruby, by Jerry D. Rose The 3rd Decade, Volume 4, Issue 2 page 11, Hosty's Revelation, by Ross F. Ralston page 12. Oswald at Keesler, by Emory L. Brown, Jr. The 3rd Decade, Volume 4, Issue 4 page 17, Cameraman Jack Ruby, by Grace P. Vale The 3rd Decade, Volume 5, Issue 2 page 17, Stray Shots I: The Oswald-Ruby Air Base and Double Deaths, by Scott Van Wynsberghe The 3rd Decade, Volume 5, Issue 3 page 9, Stray Shots II: Langley's G-Men, by Scott Van Wynsberghe The 3rd Decade, Volume 5, Issue 4 page 1, Stray Shots III: Mexico's G-Men, by Scott Van Wynsberghe The 3rd Decade, Volume 5, Issue 5 page 12, Nut Country: The Friends of General Walker, by Jerry D. Rose The 3rd Decade, Volume 6, Issue 2 page 14, We've Been Expecting You: The Searches of Oswald Residences, by Jerry D. Rose The 3rd Decade, Volume 6, Issue 3 page 1, Stray Shots V: The Great Intelligence Shift and the Last..., by Scott Van Wynsberghe The 3rd Decade, Volume 6, Issue 4 page 1, Nut Country II: Whatever Happened to Elsa Silbernagel?, by Jerry D. Rose page 5, Other Patsies, by Sheldon Inkol The 3rd Decade, Volume 7, Issue 1 page 7, Stray Shots VI: ASC, by Scott Van Wynsberghe The 3rd Decade, Volume 7, Issue 2 page 12, Did Oswald Come Back?, by Peter Whitmey The 3rd Decade, Volume 7, Issue 3 page 13, The Long Distance Phone Call, by Peter Whitmey The 3rd Decade, Volume 7, Issue 5 page 19, Jack Lawrence: Assassin or Fall Guy?, by Sheldon Inkol The 3rd Decade, Volume 7, Issue 6 page 1 Oswald or "Hidell?", by Joanne Braun page 3 Stray Shots VII: What the Mossad Knows, by Scott Van Wynsberghe The 3rd Decade, Volume 8, Issue 1 page 1, From April To November and Back Again, by K.S. Turner The 3rd Decade, Volume 8, Issue 2,3 [Together] page 16, Up On the Roof, by Bill Cheslock page 20, Stray Shots VIII: From Russia With Answers and a Talk With Philip Agee, by Scott Van Wynsberghe page 61, The Oswald Note: Information or Disinformation, by Peter Whitmey The 3rd Decade, Volume 8, Issue 5 page 27, The Greatest Secret I Ever Learned About the Kennedy Assassination, by Roger Bruce The 3rd Decade - Vol 9 Issue 1 page 44, Who Was "Honest Joe"?, by Greg Doyle The 3rd Decade - Vol 9 Issue 1 page 1, The Morrow-Kohly-Nixon Connection, by Peter Whitmey The 3rd Decade - Vol 9 Issue 2 page 1, Lt. Col. Philip J. Corso, Army Intelligence, by James L. Cypher The 3rd Decade page 22, The Allegations of Cecil Small, by Peter Whitmey The 3rd Decade page 25, Coup D'Etat In America: Carswell and the Mystery Document, by David M. Keck The 3rd Decade - Vol 9 Issue 3 page 40, Document Discovery 11/23/63 FBI Memo to LBJ "Lee Oswald visited Soviet Emb. in Wash. DC" The 3rd Decade - Vol 9 Issue 4 page 33, As Long As There's A Real Reporter Alive, by David Henschel [Kilgallen] The 3rd Decade - Vol 9 Issue 5 page 1,The Indiana Rifle, by Sheldon Inkol page 9, Beverly Oliver Responds: An Open Letter to the Research Community, by Beverly Oliver The 3rd Decade - Vol 9 Issue 6 page 23, The Transplantation of the Texas School Book Depository, by William Weston The Fourth Decade The 4th Decade, Volume 1, Issue 1 page 31, Where Did the Front Shot Come From?, by Grant Leitma The 4th Decade, Volume 2, Issue 3 page 16, An Indiana Rifle Update, by Sheldon Inkol The 4th Decade, Volume 2, Issue 4 page 3, The Withholding of the Whitter Document, by Bill Adams The 4th Decade, Volume 2, Issue 5 page 37, North of Elm on Houston, by Dennis Ford page 43, Oswald and the FBI: Part One, by William Weston page 49, The Webby N' Ozzie Parallax, by Gary Hill The 4th Decade, Volume 2, Issue 6 page 24, Oswald and the FBI: Part Two, by William Weston page 31, Webby N'Ozzy: The Saga Continues, by Gary Hill The 4th Decade, Volume 3, Issue 1 page 22, The Winnipeg Airport Incidents, by Peter R. Whitmey page 26, J.B. Stoner: An Introduction, by Jerry D. Rose The 4th Decade, Volume 3 Issue 2 page 5, Did David Ferrie Lie to the Secret Service?, by Peter R. Whitmey page 21, Oswald and the Nazis, by Jerry D. Rose The 4th Decade, Volume 3, Issue 3 page 3, Oswald and the Hunt for Popov's Mole, by Peter Dale Scott page 32, The Nicolet Hotel Barbershop, by William Weston The 4th Decade, Volume 3, Issue 4 page 8, Second Gun or Second Guessing: The Story of the Revolver In the Paper Bag, by Bill Adams page 25, The Paines, by Barbara LaMonica, Steve Jones, and Carol Hewett The 4th Decade, Volume 3, Issue 5 page 12, Budreau's Music and Appliance Store, by William Weston The 4th Decade, Volume 3, Issue 6 page 3, The Babysitters, by Martha A. Moyer & R.F. Gallagher The 4th Decade, Volume 4, Issue 2 page 7, Where Was Jack Ruby on November 21 and November 22?, by Martha A. Moyer & R.F. Gallagher page 14, Joe Cooper, P.I., by Claude B. Slaton The 4th Decade, Volume 4, Issue 3 page 23, The New Orelans Council for Peaceful Alternatives: Another Look, by Hugh Murray page 3, LHO On Campus, by Dennis Bartholomew The 4th Decade, Volume 4, Issue 4 page 12, The Rear Guards, by R.F. Gallagher The 4th Decade, Volume 4, Issue 5 page 3, The Ruddy Link Between the Tippit Murder and the Texas Theater, by Tom Wallace Lyons The 4th Decade, Volume 4, Issue 6 page 21, Nightmare In Dallas: A Review, by John Delane Williams The 4th Decade, Volume 5, Issue 1 page 3, Bobby Brown and "Oswald's Ghost(s)", by John J. Johnson page 7, The Cozy Eight Apartments, by R.F. Gallagher page 8, William Avery Hyde, by Barbara LaMonica page 14, Passports, by R.F. Gallagher The 4th Decade, Volume 5, Issue 3 page 3, Oswald, Banister and VT Lee II, by Frank DeBenedictis The 4th Decade, Volume 5, Issue 4 page 4, The Caso De Los Amigos, by Jerry D. Rose The 4th Decade, Volume 5, Issue 5 page 8, George De Mohrenschildt, Who Are You?, by Nancy Wertz page 36, The Man-In-the-Dooryway: The Plot Thickens, by John D. Johnson The 4th Decade, Volume 5, Issue 6 page 13, Webster and MKULTRA: The Smoking Gun?, by Gary Hill The 4th Decade, Volume 6, Issue 1 page 15, Albert Schweitzer College Revisted, by Dennis Bartholomew The 4th Decade, Volume 6, Issue 5 page 4, The Schoolbook Businessman, by William Weston The 4th Decade, Volume 6, Issue 6 page 6, George De Mohrenschildt and Several Coincidences, by John J. Johnson The 4th Decade, Volume 7, Issue 3 page 7, Missing Radio Transmissions, by William Weston page 16, The Rifle, by R.F. Gallagher The 4th Decade, Volume 7, Issue 5 page 7, How Did Zapruder Know?, by Joseph Scovitch The 4th Decade, Volume 8, Issue 2 page 17, Why I Went To Oxford, by Edwin A. Walker Kennedy Assassination Chronicles KAC, Volume 1, Issue 1 page 17, Firearms, Photographs, & Lee Harvey Oswald, by Ian Griggs and Melanie Swift KAC, Volume 1, Issue 2 page 19, "This Dirty Rumor", by George Michael Evica KAC, Volume 1, Issue 2 page 14, Now Appearing at the Carousel, by Ian Griggs KAC, Volume 1, Issue 4 page 50, From Rio to Nassau: A Small Look into Cuba's JFK Records, by Gordon Winslow KAC Volume 2, Issue 1 page 11, Oswald Smiling, by Richard Bartholomew KAC Volume 2, Issue 2 page 28, Understanding Silvia Odio: What the La Fontaines Don't Tell You, by Steve N. Bochan AND page 14, Stranger in a Strange Land, Kennedy & The CIA by Jim Hargrove AND page 37, The CIA's Cuban Cover-Up, by Peter Kornbluh KAC, Volume 2, Issue 3 page 6, Pieces of the Jigsaw: Glimpses of the Real Lee Harvey Oswald, by Martin Shackelford AND page 14, Elrod Talked and It's About Time, by Raymond Carroll AND page 35, The Voice of Reason: Robert Tannembaum and the ARRB in Los Angeles KAC Volume 2, Issue 3 page 19, The Strange Allegations of Raymond Carnay, by Christopher Courtwright KAC Volume 3, Issue 1 page 11, Oswald in Aliceland, by Chris W. Courtwright KAC Volume 3, Issue 2 page 11, What Have You Got There, Jack?: A Brief Examination of Jack Ruby's Possessions at the Time of his Arrest, by Ian Griggs KAC Volume 3, Issue 2 page 15, Jolly Green Giant: A Look Back at D.A. Jim Garrison's Case Against Clay Shaw, by Art Kevin KAC Volume 3, Issue 3 page 14, Tippit: After the Murder, by Bill Drenas KAC Volume 3, Issue 3 page 8, The Plot's Vertical Convergence with U.S. Policy Division, by Peter Dale Scott KAC Volume 3, Issue 4 page 15, Review of John Armstrong's Presentation, "Harvey and Lee", by Tom DeVries KAC Volume 4, Issue 4 page 18, New Evidence Regarding Ruth and Michael Paine, by Steve Jones 18 + 19 Michael Paine - A Life of Unanswered Paradoxes, by Nancy Wertz KAC Volume 5, Issue 1 page 23, Politics and Policies of JFK and RFK: The McClellan Committee Investigation of Organized Labor, by Dr. Anthony Baltakis KAC Volume 5, Issue 2 page 19, William Gaudet - Make Room for the Man at the Front of the Line, by Nancy Wertz KAC Volume 5, Issue 2 page 14, William Harvey In Florida, April, 1963, by Noel Twyman KAC Volume 5, Issue 3 page 24, I Led One Life, by Hal Verb KAC Volume 5, Issue 4 page 16, The Man In the Middle ... , by Larry Hancock KAC Volume 6, Issue 2 page 30, The Running Woman, by Toni Foster KAC Volume 6, Issue 2 page 15, Harvey and Lee: In North Dakota?, by W. Tracey Parnell KAC, Volume 6, Issue 3 page 28, Herbert Helps Out - A Brief Rebuttal to the Christenberry Decision, by Joe Biles KAC Volume 6, Issue 4 page 10, Oswald and the Helsinki Hotel, by Ian Griggs KAC Volume 6, Issue 4 page 17, The Secret Service Agent on the Knoll, by Debra Conway KAC Volume 7, Issue 1 page 12, Harvey & Lee: The Handwriting Is On the Wall, by W. Tracy Parnell KAC Volume 7, Issue 3 page 30, Kennedy and the Cold Warriors: The Case for a "Big Conspiracy," by Tim Howells KAC Volume 7, Issue 3 page 19, Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency, by Robert David Steele KAC Volume 7, Issue 3 page 9, Lost and Found Oswald Interrogation Notes, by Larry Haapanen KAC Volume 7, Issue 4 page 28, More Mexico Mysteries, by Rex Bradford KAC Volume 7, Issue 4 page 20, Mysteries of the 112 Intelligence Corp Group, by Larry Hancock KAC Volume 8, Issue 1 page 26, Mrs. Paine's Garage: A Work of Deception from Beginning to End, by James H. Fetzer KAC Volume 8, Issue 1 page 16, Senator Russell Dissents, by Harold Weisberg KAC, Volume 8, Issue 2 page 12, A Phone Call From Out of the Blue, by Larry Haappanen and Alan Rogers KAC, Volume 8, Issue 4 page 12, Lee Harvey Oswald, the Central Intelligence Agency, ... , by Scott P. Johnson KAC, Volume 8, Issue 4 page 36, A Tribute to Harold Weisberg, by Hal Verb There are hundreds of essay's; also required reading; here are some very, very good ones. 1. Errors and Omissions in Gus Russo's Book "Live by the Sword" by: Michael T. Griffith 2. Blows Against the Empire: A Breach in the Wall of Government Secrecy by Martin Shackleford 3. Possible Discovery of an Automobile Used in the JFK Conspiracy by Richard Bartholomew 4. The Conclusions and Research of the House Select Committee on Assassinations: Whose Side Do They Support? by Michael T. Griffith 5. Lessons Learned from 40 Years of Coverup by: Rex Bradford 6. A Brief Look at Evidence of Conspiracy in the JFK Assassination by Michael T. Griffith DEALEY PLAZA ECHO DPE, Volume 10, Issue 1 page 18, The Myth of the Three Wallets, by Gerald Preposterous AND page 37. Who Was Igor Vaganov?, by Mark Bridger AND page 25 A Flight of Fancy?, by Chris Mills DPE, Volume 1, Issue 2 page 20 "Dance of the Railroad Men" Considered, by John Wassell DPE, Volume 2, Issue 1 page 12, The Chauncey Holt Correspondence, by Tony Basing DPE, Volume 2, Issue 2 page 32, The Man Who Never Was, by Malcolm Blunt ONI Investigation of LHO in 1959 AND page 9, The Continuing Story of the Russian Cover: Igor Vaganov, by Mark Bridger DPE, Volume 2, Issue 3 page 31, Who Was Richard Case Nagell's Mexico CIA Contact?, by Tony Basing AND page 13, David Ferrie's Web of Intrigue, by John S. Craig DPE, Volume 3, Issue 1 page 21, David Ferrie: Assassination Mastermind?, by John S. Craig AND page 15, Michael and Ruth Paine: Enigmatic Figures in the Asassination Research, by Nancy Wertz DPE, Volume 3, Issue 3 page 7, An Interview with Shari Angel, by Ian Griggs DPE, Volume 4, Issue 1 page 8, Lee Harvey Oswald, by Richard Bartholomew DPE, Volume 5, Issue 1 page 42, Lee, Marina, and Robert E. Webster, by John J. Johnson DPE, Volume 5, Issue 2 page 1, 1312 1/2 Commerce Street, Dallas: Jack Ruby's Carousel Club, by Ian Griggs AND page 22, Earlene Roberts and "Tippit as an Accomplice", by John J. Johnson AND page 15, The 112th MIG at Work, by Larry Hancock and Anna Marie Kuhns-Walko AND page 32, The Glaze Letters: An Update, by William Weston DPE, Volume 5, Issue 3 page 10, Kill That Myth!, by Ian Griggs DPE, Volume 6, Issue 2 page 7, Is This How It Happened? The Kennedys, Castro, Cuba, and the CIA, by Tony Basing DPE Volume 6, Issue 3 page 40, Jack Ruby and Candy Barr - In Her Own Words AND page 42, When Did the Sightings of a Second Oswald Cease?, by Jon Gaulter DPE, Volume 7, Issue 1 page 36, The United States Secret Service: Conspiracy to Assassination a President, by Al Carrier DPE, Volume 7, Issue 2 page 30, Why Is Morris Jaffe Interesting?, by John Delane Williams DPE, Volume 8, Issue 2 page 54, "Someone Would Have Talked" - Some Notes and Comments by the Author, by Larry Hancock AND page 46, Was the FBI Searching for Oswald on the Day Before the Assassination?, by John Delane Williams AND page 8, The Odd Couple at Carswell, by Robert E. Doran DPE, Volume 8, Issue 3 page 9, The Case for the First Shot in President Kennedy's Assassination Being Fired From Behind the Pergola. by Hal Verb DPE, Volume 9, Issue 1 page 16, A Special Copy of the Warren Report - Fit For a Hero, by Mark Bridger page 40, The Odd Couple At Carswell: Some Further Thoughts, by Robert E. Doran DPE, Volume 9, Issue 2 page 1, Foreknowledge In England - the Cambridge Call?, by Mark Bridger AND page 20, The Death of Kennedy (BBC TV, 29th January 1967), by Paul Lee DPE, Volume 10, Issue 1 page 3, The Spider's Web: The Texas School Book Depository and the Dallas Conspiracy, by William Weston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 (edited) I also have a request of sorts to any Forum members knowledgeable concerning the author of the article entitled "The Odd Couple at Carswell" by Robert E. Doran.......The article, if it is factually accurate, provides a deeper insight not only to the Paines, but Bill Demar aka William Crowe, as well; While the conclusions drawn based on the story of incidents taking place at Carswell AFB circa 1960, are quite interesting to say the least, I have never heard anyone I know [in the research community] state they are familiar with the author. I could try to impress with my own personal connections to very high-profile JFK Assassination researcher's and writer's, but that is a little too ostentatious for my tastes. I basically would like to know if anyone on the Forum knows Mr Doran and/or can vouch for the facts contained in his article, I am not trying to cast aspersions on the character of anyone, I suppose my inquiry is actually a type of compliment to him, as the information in said article is very significant, if factually accurate...... Edited March 4, 2007 by Robert Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Nothing on Robert E Doran....and could be an alias, as some were at times......but Thank you Robert for taking the time to gather this information ,and post it for all. It certainly will be of a benefit, I see at a glance several that appear to perhaps be of interest to certain studies, these resources can be a great value. Appreciated... B...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Nothing on Robert E Doran....and could be an alias, as some were at times......butThank you Robert for taking the time to gather this information ,and post it for all. It certainly will be of a benefit, I see at a glance several that appear to perhaps be of interest to certain studies, these resources can be a great value. Appreciated... B...... I spoke too quicky here after a quick search is............ "Ruth and Michael Pentz": Beginning on Oct. 17, 1994, I received the following information in a series of letters, the first dated Oct. 8, 1994, from Robert E. Doran, a student of the JFK assassination, and possible witness to a "Paine" Rambler station wagon: Robert Edwin Doran. Mr. Doran wrote that he had just completed a cursory reading of my Rambler manuscript. He had obtained it the day before from Prevailing Winds Research. Doran said he may have one small piece of the puzzle concerning the "Paine / Rambler" that was seen in Dealey Plaza. He said that in the early 1960's he was stationed at Carswell AFB, at Fort Worth, Texas. He was assigned to a Heavy Bomb Wing and worked in an Armaments & Electronics Squadron. This was a maintenance support squadron for SAC nuclear bombers. The primary aircraft was the Boeing B-52. Doran said this assignment required a "Secret" level of security clearance for flight line access. For approximately eighteen months, Doran claims, he worked with an individual that he now believes to have been Michael Paine. Doran was his immediate supervisor. Doran said the individual in question at that time used another name. These events occurred in 1960 and early 1961, ending when Doran received an Honorable Discharge after completion of a four-year enlistment. He said he now feels that events he witnessed, involving "Michael Paine," were a part of a "security program" that was connected with military intelligence. Doran said he had recently seen a PBS TV special that included an interview with Michael & Ruth Paine. This reinforced his past associations with them, he said. Doran and his wife had spent some time in their house after duty hours. "The similarities between the 'Air Force couple' and the historic Paines are remarkable," Doran wrote. He said that I might be interested in "the fact that the Air Force couple owned a Rambler station wagon! It was about three to five years old and in very good condition. I remember this very well because of the kidding that we gave this individual about such a non-cool car." Doran said he had previously read about the Dealey Plaza Rambler. But he had always considered it to be one of those "tangents" that the JFK study takes at times. Doran said he never gave it much credence until he read my "thesis about the Paine / Rambler connection." He said he thought that I might be interested in pursuing this "if possible at this point in time." Despite my interest, and the impossibility of devoting sufficient time to it over the last two-and-a-half years, I still believe Mr. Doran when he said: "I promise you that this is not a 'crack pot' thing." There are aspects to his story that either test my belief in his honesty, or speak to the ultimate importance of investigating his allegations further. Doran added that another possible historical JFK figure was also assigned to his "shop." "His military record name," said Doran, "was Charles Melvin Coffey! Another of the "Spooks" as we refereed [sic] to them." A number of months before Doran's release date, several new "recruits" suddenly appeared in his work station. "These very young 'enlisted men' did not have the typical entry background into the USAF. Neither did the individual that I now consider to be Michael Paine. One of these 'new' individuals may have been Kerry Thornley!" Doran volunteered the following information about himself: Birth date: Jul. 4, 1937 Place of Birth: Oakmont, Delaware County, Pa. USAF Enlistment: Mar. 1, 1957; sworn in at Frankfort Arsenal recruiting center, Philadelphia, Pa. USAF Serial Number: AF13608965 (later corrected as 13607965) Basic Training: Lackland AFB, Texas Technical Training: June 1957, Sheppard AFB, Wichita Falls, Texas AFSC: 4732, "Aircraft Electrical Systems Repairman" (specialist in auto pilot / compass systems) Clearance Rating: Secret (allowed flight line access) Permanent Assignment: Nov. 1957, Carswell AFB, Ft. Worth, Texas Work Assignment: 7th Field Maintenance Squadron Electric Shop Transfer: Dec. 1958, 7th Armaments & Electronics Squadron Auto Pilot / Compass Systems Shop Doran reported that his duties were to bench test aircraft components for acceptance and serviceability. His shop had five people assigned to it in 1959. In mid-summer, 1960, his shop's assignments were combined with those of "flight line only," "Auto Pilot" personnel working in another building. They were housed in one work area in a different building which had much higher security. In about August 1959, according to Doran, a man named Michael David Pentz was assigned to the 7th A&E Squadron Auto Pilot shop. Doran claimed Pentz did not have a "normal entry" into the Air Force. "He had not been through the Lackland Air Force Basic Training center nor a USAF Technical Training school, as far as I could determine." Bob Doran described Pentz, who preferred to be called David, as about 27 to 30 years old (which he later changed to "mid-twenties), Caucasian, small build, about five feet, six inches tall (later changed to 5'-7"), 140 lbs, with light brown hair. He did not smoke. He was from the Northeast, but never indicated to Doran exactly where. "He was a very tight lipped individual," Doran said, "especially about personal information." The only exception to this, according to Doran, was a personal conversation in which Pentz confided to Doran that he and his wife "were having deep sexual problems...." According to Pentz's wife, "Ruth Pentz," he had some previous "engineering" courses in college. They had two pre-school children, according to Doran, "ages about 2 & 4 years old." (Doran later wrote that his own wife remembers "Ruth" Pentz as "Katie, as in Kathryn" Pentz. He admitted that his wife's memory is better than his, but Bob Doran still remembers the name as "Ruth.") Doran described Katie/Ruth as "about 30 years" old, "slender build and perhaps 5'-7" [later changed to 5'-8"], being somewhat taller" than Michael. "She wore horn rimmed glasses that made her look older," said Doran. "She said that she was a registered nurse and was working at a hospital/clinic in Fort Worth. She was from the southeast area of Pennsylvania, again only vague references as to where. She was self described as belonging to some kind of 'Friends' organization [Doran later changed this to 'The Brethren' religious organization"]. She described this as being similar to the 'Quakers.'" Doran later said Katie/Ruth was an RN, requiring a Texas nursing license, and that she "worked the floor" at "All-Saints Hospital, in Fort Worth," during 1960-61. He also said his own wife received her original LVN nurses training there in 1959, and worked in the "OR ( surgery ) at the same period" that Katie/Ruth Pentz was there. Bob Doran and his wife visited the Pentzes at their "rental" house, "in the River Oaks area," on several occasions. The Dorans "did not socialize with them," however, because of "differences in background and having no children...." Doran described their Rambler as a "station wagon style with a factory chrome luggage rack on the top rear of the roof. It was a 'light off colored Green', that looked a dirty grey in poor light. The car was about five years old but looked in excellent shape." Doran, in a later correction, said he only saw the car in the dark on a few occasions, was uncertain about the hue and concluded, "I will have to settle for 'a light grey'." Doran said he saw Ruth and Michael Paine in separate interviews on the PBS Frontline program titled "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald," which aired on Nov. 17, 1993. In the 1970s, Doran had seen a picture which he described as showing Michael Paine "leaving the 1964 Warren Commission...." "But after seeing both, although thirty three years older," said Doran , "I am absolutely convinced that they are the same Air Force 'odd couple' that I knew in 1959 -1961." Bob Doran later found and sent me his military service record, which corroborated his military background as presented in his letters. I have omitted many other verifiable details of Bob Doran's story for the purpose of future identification of any misinformation or disinformation pertaining to his allegations. I have also omitted some promising leads and many of his thoughts which, as Doran himself readily admits, are "rambling," speculation and "personal diatribe." None of Mr. Doran's basic, concrete information has been followed up by myself or, to my knowledge, anyone else, except for a cursory check of Fort Worth telephone directories for the name Pentz during the years 1960-61. That brief check, though inconclusive, was negative. Nonetheless, I feel that Mr. Doran and his allegations deserve to be investigated at greater length. My impression is that he is honest and has witnessed potentially astounding and crucial details of the assassination conspiracy. It is also apparent to me that his intense curiosity and interest in solving the assassination have cluttered his story with information of varying quality from secondary sources which will take time, but perhaps not great effort, for an erudite researcher to sift through. I strongly sense that Bob Doran, like most witnesses from that time and place, has answers to questions he does not know are being asked, and answers to questions which are not yet being asked. ---END 1996 UPDATE--- http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_...Rmblr96.FP.html B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 Nothing on Robert E Doran....and could be an alias, as some were at times......butThank you Robert for taking the time to gather this information ,and post it for all. It certainly will be of a benefit, I see at a glance several that appear to perhaps be of interest to certain studies, these resources can be a great value. Appreciated... B...... I spoke too quicky here after a quick search is............ "Ruth and Michael Pentz": Beginning on Oct. 17, 1994, I received the following information in a series of letters, the first dated Oct. 8, 1994, from Robert E. Doran, a student of the JFK assassination, and possible witness to a "Paine" Rambler station wagon: Robert Edwin Doran. Mr. Doran wrote that he had just completed a cursory reading of my Rambler manuscript. He had obtained it the day before from Prevailing Winds Research. Doran said he may have one small piece of the puzzle concerning the "Paine / Rambler" that was seen in Dealey Plaza. He said that in the early 1960's he was stationed at Carswell AFB, at Fort Worth, Texas. He was assigned to a Heavy Bomb Wing and worked in an Armaments & Electronics Squadron. This was a maintenance support squadron for SAC nuclear bombers. The primary aircraft was the Boeing B-52. Doran said this assignment required a "Secret" level of security clearance for flight line access. For approximately eighteen months, Doran claims, he worked with an individual that he now believes to have been Michael Paine. Doran was his immediate supervisor. Doran said the individual in question at that time used another name. These events occurred in 1960 and early 1961, ending when Doran received an Honorable Discharge after completion of a four-year enlistment. He said he now feels that events he witnessed, involving "Michael Paine," were a part of a "security program" that was connected with military intelligence. Doran said he had recently seen a PBS TV special that included an interview with Michael & Ruth Paine. This reinforced his past associations with them, he said. Doran and his wife had spent some time in their house after duty hours. "The similarities between the 'Air Force couple' and the historic Paines are remarkable," Doran wrote. He said that I might be interested in "the fact that the Air Force couple owned a Rambler station wagon! It was about three to five years old and in very good condition. I remember this very well because of the kidding that we gave this individual about such a non-cool car." Doran said he had previously read about the Dealey Plaza Rambler. But he had always considered it to be one of those "tangents" that the JFK study takes at times. Doran said he never gave it much credence until he read my "thesis about the Paine / Rambler connection." He said he thought that I might be interested in pursuing this "if possible at this point in time." Despite my interest, and the impossibility of devoting sufficient time to it over the last two-and-a-half years, I still believe Mr. Doran when he said: "I promise you that this is not a 'crack pot' thing." There are aspects to his story that either test my belief in his honesty, or speak to the ultimate importance of investigating his allegations further. Doran added that another possible historical JFK figure was also assigned to his "shop." "His military record name," said Doran, "was Charles Melvin Coffey! Another of the "Spooks" as we refereed [sic] to them." A number of months before Doran's release date, several new "recruits" suddenly appeared in his work station. "These very young 'enlisted men' did not have the typical entry background into the USAF. Neither did the individual that I now consider to be Michael Paine. One of these 'new' individuals may have been Kerry Thornley!" Doran volunteered the following information about himself: Birth date: Jul. 4, 1937 Place of Birth: Oakmont, Delaware County, Pa. USAF Enlistment: Mar. 1, 1957; sworn in at Frankfort Arsenal recruiting center, Philadelphia, Pa. USAF Serial Number: AF13608965 (later corrected as 13607965) Basic Training: Lackland AFB, Texas Technical Training: June 1957, Sheppard AFB, Wichita Falls, Texas AFSC: 4732, "Aircraft Electrical Systems Repairman" (specialist in auto pilot / compass systems) Clearance Rating: Secret (allowed flight line access) Permanent Assignment: Nov. 1957, Carswell AFB, Ft. Worth, Texas Work Assignment: 7th Field Maintenance Squadron Electric Shop Transfer: Dec. 1958, 7th Armaments & Electronics Squadron Auto Pilot / Compass Systems Shop Doran reported that his duties were to bench test aircraft components for acceptance and serviceability. His shop had five people assigned to it in 1959. In mid-summer, 1960, his shop's assignments were combined with those of "flight line only," "Auto Pilot" personnel working in another building. They were housed in one work area in a different building which had much higher security. In about August 1959, according to Doran, a man named Michael David Pentz was assigned to the 7th A&E Squadron Auto Pilot shop. Doran claimed Pentz did not have a "normal entry" into the Air Force. "He had not been through the Lackland Air Force Basic Training center nor a USAF Technical Training school, as far as I could determine." Bob Doran described Pentz, who preferred to be called David, as about 27 to 30 years old (which he later changed to "mid-twenties), Caucasian, small build, about five feet, six inches tall (later changed to 5'-7"), 140 lbs, with light brown hair. He did not smoke. He was from the Northeast, but never indicated to Doran exactly where. "He was a very tight lipped individual," Doran said, "especially about personal information." The only exception to this, according to Doran, was a personal conversation in which Pentz confided to Doran that he and his wife "were having deep sexual problems...." According to Pentz's wife, "Ruth Pentz," he had some previous "engineering" courses in college. They had two pre-school children, according to Doran, "ages about 2 & 4 years old." (Doran later wrote that his own wife remembers "Ruth" Pentz as "Katie, as in Kathryn" Pentz. He admitted that his wife's memory is better than his, but Bob Doran still remembers the name as "Ruth.") Doran described Katie/Ruth as "about 30 years" old, "slender build and perhaps 5'-7" [later changed to 5'-8"], being somewhat taller" than Michael. "She wore horn rimmed glasses that made her look older," said Doran. "She said that she was a registered nurse and was working at a hospital/clinic in Fort Worth. She was from the southeast area of Pennsylvania, again only vague references as to where. She was self described as belonging to some kind of 'Friends' organization [Doran later changed this to 'The Brethren' religious organization"]. She described this as being similar to the 'Quakers.'" Doran later said Katie/Ruth was an RN, requiring a Texas nursing license, and that she "worked the floor" at "All-Saints Hospital, in Fort Worth," during 1960-61. He also said his own wife received her original LVN nurses training there in 1959, and worked in the "OR ( surgery ) at the same period" that Katie/Ruth Pentz was there. Bob Doran and his wife visited the Pentzes at their "rental" house, "in the River Oaks area," on several occasions. The Dorans "did not socialize with them," however, because of "differences in background and having no children...." Doran described their Rambler as a "station wagon style with a factory chrome luggage rack on the top rear of the roof. It was a 'light off colored Green', that looked a dirty grey in poor light. The car was about five years old but looked in excellent shape." Doran, in a later correction, said he only saw the car in the dark on a few occasions, was uncertain about the hue and concluded, "I will have to settle for 'a light grey'." Doran said he saw Ruth and Michael Paine in separate interviews on the PBS Frontline program titled "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald," which aired on Nov. 17, 1993. In the 1970s, Doran had seen a picture which he described as showing Michael Paine "leaving the 1964 Warren Commission...." "But after seeing both, although thirty three years older," said Doran , "I am absolutely convinced that they are the same Air Force 'odd couple' that I knew in 1959 -1961." Bob Doran later found and sent me his military service record, which corroborated his military background as presented in his letters. I have omitted many other verifiable details of Bob Doran's story for the purpose of future identification of any misinformation or disinformation pertaining to his allegations. I have also omitted some promising leads and many of his thoughts which, as Doran himself readily admits, are "rambling," speculation and "personal diatribe." None of Mr. Doran's basic, concrete information has been followed up by myself or, to my knowledge, anyone else, except for a cursory check of Fort Worth telephone directories for the name Pentz during the years 1960-61. That brief check, though inconclusive, was negative. Nonetheless, I feel that Mr. Doran and his allegations deserve to be investigated at greater length. My impression is that he is honest and has witnessed potentially astounding and crucial details of the assassination conspiracy. It is also apparent to me that his intense curiosity and interest in solving the assassination have cluttered his story with information of varying quality from secondary sources which will take time, but perhaps not great effort, for an erudite researcher to sift through. I strongly sense that Bob Doran, like most witnesses from that time and place, has answers to questions he does not know are being asked, and answers to questions which are not yet being asked. ---END 1996 UPDATE--- http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_...Rmblr96.FP.html B Bernice, I really appreciate you going to the trouble to provide the information, you are the ultimate "class-act," again thanks so much for the information you provided. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Thank you for your comment, appreciated.. A wee possible bit, there was a Bob Doran who was a member of Lancer, at one time... I have no idea if this was the same gentleman or any relation.... You may want to check with Debra Conway.. Perhaps she could help you..... B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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