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Thanks, Scott.

I wasn't aware that Schweihs had been picked up. Do you know what is happening with him at the moment?

Cheers,

James

In jail, awaiting trial in Operation Family Secrets along with Lombardo, Jimmy Marcellp, and other old timers.

Here are the murders in the indictment- Scweihs is named in many of them, including the Spilotro brothers.

August 1970 Michael Albergo in Chicago

September 27, 1974 Daniel Seifert in Bensenville

June 24, 1976 Paul Haggerty in Chicago

March 15, 1977 Henry Cosentino

January 16, 1978 John Mendell in Chicago

January 31, 1978 Donald Renno and Vincent Moretti in Cicero

July 2, 1980 William and Charlotte Dauber in Will County

December 30, 1980 William Petrocelli in Cicero

June 24, 1981 Michael Cagnoni in DuPage County

September 13, 1981

Nicholas D'Andrea in Chicago Heights

April 24, 1982 attempted murder of Individual A in Lake County

July 23, 1983 Richard D. Ortiz / Arthur Morawski in Cicero

June 7, 1986 Emil Vaci in Phoenix

June 14, 1986 Anthony and Michael Spilotro in DuPage Co.

September 14, 1986 John Fecarotta in Chicago

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In Post 1 of this thread, former Admin John Simkin wrote:

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In their book, Double Cross (1992), Charles and Sam Giancana (Sam's half-brother and nephew) argue that Richard Cain, along with Charlie Nicoletti, were the two gunman who killed President John F. Kennedy. The authors claim that it was Cain, rather than Lee Harvey Oswald, who fired from the 6th Floor of the Texas Book Depository.

Richard Cain was a close associate of Mafia boss Sam Giancana who infiltrated the Chicago Police Department, trained Cuban Americans for the Bay of Pigs operation, and (according to his step sister, Mary Ellyn Cain) made an attempt for the CIA on Fidel Castro's life.

In Post 8 on page 1 of this thread, Richard Cain's step brother, Michael Cain, says that Richard was not hitman material. In a later post he mentions his upcoming book on Richard.

I've found that the book has since been published. It is titled The Tangled Web: The Life and Death of Richard Cain - Chicago Cop and Mafia Hitman

You have probably already noticed Michael Cain's contradiction. Can anybody here explain why Michael said his brother wasn't hitman material, only to go on to write a book saying he was a hitman? (The only way I can reconcile the two statement is by concluding that Richard must have been a poor excuse of a hitman.)

BTW, Michael also contradicted his sister by saying Richard never worked for the CIA.

 

EDIT:  I think I figured it out. Whenever somebody invokes the word "hitman" the first thing that comes to my mind is a guy with a gun. Michael likely called Richard a hitman in his book because he attempted to kill Castro. Not with a gun, but with poison.

 

Sources:
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKcainR.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cain

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2 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

In Post 1 of this thread, former Admin John Simkin wrote:

Richard Cain was a close associate of Mafia boss Sam Giancana who infiltrated the Chicago Police Department, trained Cuban Americans for the Bay of Pigs operation, and (according to his step sister, Mary Ellyn Cain) made an attempt for the CIA on Fidel Castro's life.

In Post 8 on page 1 of this thread, Richard Cain's step brother, Michael Cain, says that Richard was not hitman material. In a later post he mentions his upcoming book on Richard.

I've found that the book has since been published. It is titled The Tangled Web: The Life and Death of Richard Cain - Chicago Cop and Mafia Hitman

You have probably already noticed Michael Cain's contradiction. Can anybody here explain why Michael said his brother wasn't hitman material, only to go on to write a book saying he was a hitman? (The only way I can reconcile the two statement is by concluding that Richard must have been a poor excuse of a hitman.)

BTW, Michael also contradicted his sister by saying Richard never worked for the CIA.

 

EDIT:  I think I figured it out. Whenever somebody invokes the word "hitman" the first thing that comes to my mind is a guy with a gun. Michael likely called Richard a hitman in his book because he attempted to kill Castro. Not with a gun, but with poison.

 

Sources:
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKcainR.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cain

Some clues for all those "newbies" out there:  Richard Cain was not only mobbed-up, but he spoke Spanish fluently and was a wiretapping specialist who may have worked in Bill Harvey's top-secret "Staff D" in Mexico City.  Staff D was a CIA-NSA subsection of the CIA's assassination-oriented ZRRIFLE program.  Cain is known to have worked as a detective in Mexico City in the early 1960's, and may have been in and out of Mexico during the period of time that LHO was telephonically impersonated there.

More on "Staff D," here:  https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/State_Secret_Chapter2.html

--  Tommy  (with smiling "sun" face, wearing sunglasses)

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Tommy, I know those points you listed on Caine keep coming up but if you actually get the files on Cain in Mexico City, including his contacts with the CIA there, his application for work which they turned down (which was not for electronics work) and go on to get the rest of his files you will find that all the above is largely JFK myth class stuff. The same goes for his involvement with the post assassination connection to the MC rifle - which shows up in many books but is really the result of his name being in a consolidated FBI report which also included the rifle info.  I honestly don't have the time to give you references for all this but I did all the leg work with those documents back in the day where you had to get them from the archives yourself; no much of it may be available via MFF. I do write about Cain a bit in SWHT but only on those things that can be verified.  As to Staff D in MC, that's a story that did not involve Cain at all and to insert him into it rather than referring to Simpich's work or even my NEXUS is a step backwards.

I will say that personally I accepted everything you listed before I did the digging for myself.  But at this point in time all I can do is encourage everyone to do their homework with primary sources.  The same advice would go to old timers and newbies, we are all faced with dealing with 50 years of writing on this subject and much of it has become pretty dated based on the actual info now available.

 

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3 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

Tommy, I know those points you listed on Caine keep coming up but if you actually get the files on Cain in Mexico City, including his contacts with the CIA there, his application for work which they turned down (which was not for electronics work) and go on to get the rest of his files you will find that all the above is largely JFK myth class stuff. The same goes for his involvement with the post assassination connection to the MC rifle - which shows up in many books but is really the result of his name being in a consolidated FBI report which also included the rifle info.  I honestly don't have the time to give you references for all this but I did all the leg work with those documents back in the day where you had to get them from the archives yourself; no much of it may be available via MFF. I do write about Cain a bit in SWHT but only on those things that can be verified.  As to Staff D in MC, that's a story that did not involve Cain at all and to insert him into it rather than referring to Simpich's work or even my NEXUS is a step backwards.

I will say that personally I accepted everything you listed before I did the digging for myself.  But at this point in time all I can do is encourage everyone to do their homework with primary sources.  The same advice would go to old timers and newbies, we are all faced with dealing with 50 years of writing on this subject and much of it has become pretty dated based on the actual info now available.

 

Thanks Larry,

Goes to show even an old dog like me can learn something new from time to time.  (lol)

Good to see you posting here in the "new format."

--  Tommy :sun

PS  I guess that's why I used the conditional "may" a couple of times in my post.  It's a "survival mechanism" that I've developed due to the fact that I've had "egg on my face" way too many times in this "rabbit hole" known as the JFK assassination.

 

 

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Tommy (oh, and I really like the new format by the way) its easy to get wrapped up in this because we all come across the same sort of material; if I had written something on Caine based on what I had read before I really started digging it would have had several of the points  you mentioned - I was surprised that most of what I found did not support what had been written earlier.  The thing is that much of the early writing about this sort of material was the best that could be done at the time; we have far more sources now.  Many of the old leads have been wrapped up and new ones revealed. And its a real challenge for anyone new to the field or even to a given subject.  In regard to Caine the best that I could determine is that he may very well have served as a courier for one of the first poison pill efforts against Castro, probably the first. He was probably loaned from Giancana for that and may even have gotten on island; either that or just helped as a cut out in Florida.  That was earlier days and with a bit more time he was replaced by old Havana casino crime connections on island.  It appears there were at least three and maybe four efforts to get in poison before the BOP landings.  However I think that is probably the extent of Caine's connections to things JFK related and that was more a Giancana/Roselli association than anything else.

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