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If we should take the words of the doctors (and to some extent I agree to that) we should also accept that the big gaping hole, the size of a fist, in the back of JFK's head, that all the doctors described, was an EXIT wound from a bullet from the front.

But where is that gaping hole in the lower right portion of JFK's head in the Warren Report?

Question: you are doctor with experience on bullet wounds, you see a tiny neat little round hole in a throat. What would you think first?

1) This is an entry wound of a small caliber bullet

2) This is an exit wound from a fragment of an explosive bullet that hit in the head.

Mind you, the doctors didn't know about about an explosive bullet, let alone a mercury bullet.

No, I don't blame the doctors at all. If it looks like duck, if it walks like a duck, if it sounds like duck, you're going to say it's a duck.

JFK was NOT shot in the throat.

I too have believed for a long time that he was shot in the throat. But it didn't happen. The only time that JFK COULD have been shot in the throat, was very early in the game, at the beginning of the Zapruder film. Why? Because after that, he slumps forward and his throat is not exposed anymore. It doesn't make sense for ANY shooter, not even a trigger happy one, to shoot from the front that early, if the plan was to frame a patsy from BEHIND. Moreover, it would be an EXTREMELY risky shot right thru the windshield (glass breaks the line of vision, and could also deflect the bullet path). The bullet hole, crack or whatever it was in the windshield, was the result from a missed bullet from behind over JFK's head. Just as the nick in the chrome lining was.

Additionally, his head and throat would be exposed for only a very short time, with no time to follow and aim. And the other passengers were in the way, JFK was the most rear passenger in the limo, hence an additional risk to hit someone else in the car. Finally, there was no wound of exit, neither a bullet found, found for such a shot.

The throat wound was caused by an exiting fragment , maybe even a drop of mercury from JF's mercury exploosive bullet. The tiny perforations in JFK's face, as observed by embalmer Thom Robinson, were also the result of mercury drops.

Lastly, what you guys and dolls don't know is that I have an interview with Thom Robinson, wherein he states that the gaping hole in JFK's skull was probed with a tiny probe and that one of those probes from INSIDE the skull came out at the throat wound ! That's why he told me that he has always been very quiet about this, but that he has chuckled for all those years at the conspiracy buffs who claim JFK was shot in the throat from the front. He knew better since 1963. And I know better since I spoke to him. I should have known better earlier by listening to Jimmy, instead of to the JFK research community, and what they have brainwashed themselves with. I too was a victim of what I wanted to believe, and looked so self-evident.

James Files was right all along. He was the ONLY shooter from the front, and even he was not supposed to shoot. But he did, because JFK had not been hit in the head. Failure was never an option in a operation that Jimmy took part in, not even at age 21. That's what made him such a valuable asset for the Chicago mob and the CIA.

No witness (and there were many, looking right at him) saw him being shot at that moment.

The first hit was in his back and made his arms fly up. Moreover , with a patsy behind, it would be plain stupid to fire the first shot from the front.

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Kathy:

I am very much in agreement with you on the point of SS complicity.

On the night before the assassination, the SS removed the motorcycle escorts from the side of the President's limousine. The Dallas PD had originally put four motorcycles on each side of the limo, but SS agent Winston Lawson reduced them to two and moved them to the rear fenders of the car. This alteration of the escort could only have been to allow shooters an unobstructed view of the President and to remove the motorcycle officers from the line of fire.

On the morning of the assassination, after Air Force One had landed at Love Field and while the Kennedys walked along the fence shaking hands, General Godfrey McHugh, who was supposed to ride in the front seat of the limo between the Secret Service men, was advised by the SS that he would be riding in a car further back in the motorcade.

These acts came at a time when the SS were hearing very strong "rumors" that an assassination attempt would be made against Kennedy in Dallas. The agents who were travelling with Kennedy in San Antonio the day before the assassination had heard them. Marty Underwood even expressed his concern to JFK himself, but Kennedy just laughed it off.

The stripping away of the President's protection at a time when the threats to his life were increasing and especially in a "hot" (hostile) city like Dallas was in 1963, is tantamount to a criminal offense.

Not only did his agents spend the night "celebrating" his upcoming death the night before in a Fort Worth bar called "The Cellar", when the shooting did occur, they did NOTHING to protect him.

Greer even slowed the car down and looked back at Kennedy. He didn't speed up until he was sure JFK was at least mortally wounded. One agent left the running board ( I think it was Landis, not sure) of the SS car, but Emory Roberts told him to get back on the car.

What's even more appalling is that no one was ever reprimanded for those failures that cost John F. Kennedy his life.

Gil,

In fact, Greer takes TWO looks back at Jack. One when Kellerman is looking, the other right before the headshot, acording to the masterpiece.

Kathleen,

That version is from the Peter Jennings special.

chris

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Guest Eugene B. Connolly

.........his reaction is the result of being struck in the throat....not spitting out a bullet.

Charlie Black

I think your point is well made,Charles.

I could not express it better.

.........his (JFK's) reaction is the result of being struck in the throat....not spitting out a bullet.

EBC

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I suppose that when researchers are faced with so many conflicting theories, purported to be supported, by "evidence", that it is impossible for a certain amount of paranoia to not enter the thoughts of all of us.

But despite this, not everything is smoke and mirrors and highly questionable.

What sometimes seems amazing, is that some things ARE exactly what they appear to be.

Charlie Black

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Gil

I appreciate your originality, but I don't think that even in the Guiness Records has anyone ever been shot in the throat and spit out a bullet.

As I have expressed before....I see a normal choking reaction, very similar to what I have seen on several ocassions when my childen or grandchildren temporarily choked while being spoon fed in their high chairs. They do not grasp their throat as this would further choke them. Both arms are lifted instantly to a position in front of their face or throat as they simultaneously emit a choking cough. Often when there arms are raised, their fists are closed but turned outward away from their throats.

I do not deny that I personally feel that JFK was struck in the anterior throat my a missile of some sort, possibly a small caliber bullet, but I feel that his reaction is the result of being struck in the throat....not spitting out a bullet.

I appreciate your response, but I fail to see why Kennedy would be cupping his right hand over his mouth in reponse to a throat wound. If I were responding to a wound, I'd be responding to the WOUND itself, not my mouth. The cupping of the hand, the loosening of the tie and the backward and forward movement of the head when put TOGETHER leaves no doubt in my mind, that JFK was attempting to clear his airway.

I noticed that you mention choking on food, but to dispel any notion that that was the case here, let me say that there has never been any evidence that anything was in Kennedy's mouth at any time during the motorcade.

In fact, according to the official record, the only thing that entered Kennedy's neck during the motorcade was a bullet. And the only bullet wound in the neck was in the front of the throat. So we are left with a single bullet, a single bullet wound, and a man appearing to try to clear his airway.

It's really not rocket science.

We have a bullet, therefore, that HAD to have entered the throat through the frontal wound (unless Kennedy had swallowed it, which I doubt). The bullet did not exit, for there was no exit wound in the back of the neck. And because there was no exit wound, the bullet remained in the throat, or at the least, somewhere in the neck.

The actions of JFK suggest that he had an airway obstruction, discussed in the latest version of my video that includes blowups of Zapruder frames 225-237.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd1o0UTb3oc

May I suggest that viewers pay particular attention to the movements of JFK. It is obvious that his right hand is cupped over his mouth, his left hand is pulling at his tie to loosen it, and his head moves slightly backwards and then forwards in what appears to be an attempt to cough the bullet up, or at the least, clear his airway.

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... or could he be reacting to a sharp blow to the back that knocked the wind out of him? (i.e. a bullet that fired short and didn't penetrate very far)

Hello Frank

Tho I believe more that he was reacting to a strike in the anterior throat, the shallow back wound is also a possibility.

I do not see The Prez loosening his tie or doing anything other than reacting to a blow !

I of course would not know what "coughing up a bullet" would look like, as I don't feel that such an incident has ever been recorded.

Charlie Black

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... or could he be reacting to a sharp blow to the back that knocked the wind out of him? (i.e. a bullet that fired short and didn't penetrate very far)

I was thinking the same thing. Not much is said about the "short shot" , that hit the President in the back. That shot would have come first, and had it been a good shot, it most likely would have killed him right, then and there. And if it had , they may have gotten away with it. As it is, things got very messy because of the frontal shot (s), and the fact that the limousine slowed down and Secret Service Agents did nothing once the shots rang out.

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Charlie, I appreciate your input, I really do but I fail to understand what causes a man who is hit in the throat to not reach for the wound, but instead cover his mouth with one hand, loosen his tie with the other, and make a backward and forward motion such is seen in the Zapruder film.

I beg to differ. I've been hit in the throat before, and I've never reacted that way.

I would expect Kennedy to be reaching of the throat wound with BOTH hands.

Not that you have suggested this, but for others reading this post, let me say that JFK's reaction is NOT a reaction to a back wound, as suggested by John Lattimer. Kennedy's reaction is NOT Thorburn's. It is not involuntary.

A closer examination of his reaction shows his right hand cupped over his mouth and his left hand loosning his tie. If you can't see it in the video, look at Z230.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wd1o0UTb3oc

In addition, his backward and forward movement is also not involuntary.

One person suggested to me that he might be sneezing. But when I asked how many times that person saw a man in a tie loosen his tie when he sneezed, he/she didn't answer.

A doctor suggested that the movement of the arms was due to a neuro-stimulus created as the EXITING bullet "tickled" the trachea. But when I asked for a case study confirming that a bullet grazing the trachea resulted in the subjects' loosening of their ties, I got no answer.

Whether or not JFK COULD have physically coughed something up is immaterial. What is material is that had he not known whether he could have, he would have still TRIED.

There is no evidence in the Z film of any blood or saliva on Kennedy's right hand or around his mouth, something you would expect to see.

My opinion of what I see is based on several factors. Let's take this one step at a time.

First, the reaction of JFK. His right hand comes up to his mouth. His left hand loosens his tie. Voluntary and normal reaction to an airway obstruction. His backward and forward movement is consistent with body movement when one is trying to unblock an obstructed airway.

Secondly, there is only one bullet wound in the neck and that wound is in the front. None of the autopsy photographs show a bullet wound in the back of the neck above the top of the shoulders.

Therefore, the frontal wound HAD to have been a wound of entry.

Thirdly, because it was the only wound and had to be a wound of entry, the Bullet (we'll call it a missile for the sake of argument) did not exit the body.

So we have a man with a missile wound in the front of the throat, made by a missile that did not exit the body, reacting to an obvious airway obstruction. Could that obstruction have been caused by blood or saliva ? Sure, but I haven't seen evidence of either in the Zapruder film.

So what's left ? You tell me.

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Gil,

Fwiw, I'm with you.

Your analysis is consistent with my view that JFK was struck

in the throat circa Z199 by a blood soluble round which nicked

his trachea, bruised the tip of his right lung, caused a hairline

fracture of the right tip of his T1 transverse process, and, upon

dissolution, left a subcutaneous air pocket overlaying C7 and T1.

The blood soluble paralytic developed for the CIA by Charles Senseney

was roughly the size of a .22 and left the victim paralyzed in two seconds.

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/church/r..._6_Senseney.pdf

This is consistent with the paralysis JFK exhibited after Z237.

He stopped trying to cough up the bullet due to this paralysis.

Some have noted his left forefinger pointing to the north side

of Elm St as if he were pointing to the shooter, but now I'd

conclude that he was using his left forefinger to loosen his

tie and subsequently froze in that position.

I find this scenario consistent with Jackie's testimony that JFK had

a "quizzical" look on his face, and Kellerman's report that Jackie

cried out -- "What are they doing to you?"

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I too have believed for a long time that he was shot in the throat. But it didn't happen. The only time that JFK COULD have been shot in the throat, was very early in the game, at the beginning of the Zapruder film. Why? Because after that, he slumps forward and his throat is not exposed anymore. It doesn't make sense for ANY shooter, not even a trigger happy one, to shoot from the front that early, if the plan was to frame a patsy from BEHIND.

That was Plan B. Plan A was to frame Castro. The assassination

of JFK was DESIGNED to look like a conspiracy.

Moreover, it would be an EXTREMELY risky shot right thru the windshield (glass breaks the line of vision, and could also deflect the bullet path). The bullet hole, crack or whatever it was in the windshield, was the result from a missed bullet from behind over JFK's head. Just as the nick in the chrome lining was.

Additionally, his head and throat would be exposed for only a very short time, with no time to follow and aim. And the other passengers were in the way, JFK was the most rear passenger in the limo, hence an additional risk to hit someone else in the car.

Looks like a clear shot from Black Dog Man at Z199.
Finally, there was no wound of exit, neither a bullet found, found for such a shot.

Consistent with a blood soluble round, consistent with the damage found

on the x-ray.

The throat wound was caused by an exiting fragment , maybe even a drop of mercury from JF's mercury explosive bullet. The tiny perforations in JFK's face, as observed by embalmer Thom Robinson, were also the result of mercury drops.

Lastly, what you guys and dolls don't know is that I have an interview with Thom Robinson, wherein he states that the gaping hole in JFK's skull was probed with a tiny probe and that one of those probes from INSIDE the skull came out at the throat wound !

I'd never reach a firm conclusion on the basis of a single witness. But that's me...

Wim, how did the exiting fragment leave a hairline fracture of the T1 transverse

process and a subcutaneous air-pocket overlaying C7 and T1?

This is arguably the most ignored evidence in the case.

That's why he told me that he has always been very quiet about this, but that he has chuckled for all those years at the conspiracy buffs who claim JFK was shot in the throat from the front. He knew better since 1963. And I know better since I spoke to him. I should have known better earlier by listening to Jimmy, instead of to the JFK research community, and what they have brainwashed themselves with. I too was a victim of what I wanted to believe, and looked so self-evident.

James Files was right all along. He was the ONLY shooter from the front, and even he was not supposed to shoot. But he did, because JFK had not been hit in the head. Failure was never an option in a operation that Jimmy took part in, not even at age 21. That's what made him such a valuable asset for the Chicago mob and the CIA.

Chuckle...

No witness (and there were many, looking right at him) saw him being shot at that moment.
Jackie Kennedy saw him get hit. She emerged from behind

the freeway sign looking right at him and crying out --

"What are they doing to you?"

The first hit was in his back and made his arms fly up. Moreover , with a patsy behind, it would be plain stupid to fire the first shot from the front.

The ultimate patsy lived in Havana.

It was supposed to look like a conspiracy, with who knows

how many patsies in the waiting.

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This post is specifically for those who doubt that a bullet could be lodged in a throat. I've added links in the even you'd like to verify that the information is fact:

Is it possible that a bullet was lodged in JFK's throat ?

Here are some examples:

William Jay Gaynor

94th Mayor of New York City, 1910—1913

[1848-1913]

Early in his first term, Gaynor was shot in the throat by a discharged city employee, the only New York City mayor to suffer an assassination attempt. Although he quickly recovered, the bullet remained lodged in his throat for the next three years.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nyc100/html/classr...ors.html#gaynor

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Bullet in neck for more than a week Jul 26 2005

By Ben Ashford, South London Press

SURGEONS were yesterday waiting to remove a bullet lodged in a gunshot victim's throat for more than a week.

The 29-year-old was blasted at close range in a mystery ambush.

The bullet tore through his flesh and embedded itself at the base of his neck - missing major arteries supplying blood to the brain by millimetres.

He was rushed to hospital where surgeons saved his life. But despite a lengthy operation they failed to dislodge the bullet.

The victim has been unable to speak since the attack in Windrush Square, Brixton, on Friday, July 15, and has had to rely on facial expressions and written notes to communicate with loved ones.

http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100n...-name_page.html

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HARDY DEE CUMBY was born on 10 Jun 1864 in (probably ) Cooksville, Tenn. He died on 14 Mar 1928 in Sherman, Tx. He was buried in Sherman, Tx. Hardy Dee was a lawyer and a judge.

While coming out of the Sherman courthouse, was hit by a stray bullet, which lodged in his throat. for quiet sometime, he was unable to speak. He recovered but did die as a result of this bullet some years later.

http://members.fortunecity.com/bdlamb/d16.htm

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