Kennedy Family Secrets ?

[Charles Black]

Charles Drago

"Esoteric" does not mean that ideas must be formed in the stratosphere where you "appear" to reside.

Nor does it incorporate some of the circular and venomous illogic which is so characteristic of you when you are unable to logically debate.

Dawn Meredith

If you feel that Robert Kennedy's actions, many of which were absolutely self motivated, which he so publicly flaunted, did not add to the animosity which both LBJ and JEH continued to develop for JFK, were arrogant and meant to antagonize these two men.....I feel that you must breathe the same "esoteric" lack of oxygen as your pleasant cohort, Charles Drago !

Mine was not a "straw" indictment of Robert, but one which is well documented.

My meaning was, is, and will continue to be, that

Robert's "personal behavior" went far to "broaden"

gaps which were growing "within" JFK's own administration....not to mention the "caverns"

developing elsewhere.

Yes ! I strongly feel that the "overly politically involved" RFK, unwisely went far beyond the boundaries of Attorney General, and that "his" attitudes and actions fueled the fire of conspiracy.

As I mentioned in another post, if even those who were in opposition to JFK, were able to find a different way to address their growing dissatisfaction with the President, the prospect of Robert Kennedy as a "future President" would have killed any such attempt.

Robert was generally considered "an arrogant little Bastard" by many of those who mattered and who figured heavily in "The November 22, Coup". This certainly isn't remotely reasonable politics.

He himself even KNEW that !

In the discussion of the JFK assassination, the

"seemingly different" attitude which Robert later seemed to develop, should not be confused in any way, with his actions while his brother was alive.

Charlie Black

[Thomas Graves]

I strongly feel that the "overly politically involved" RFK, unwisely went far beyond the boundaries of Attorney General, and that "his" attitudes and actions fueled the fire of conspiracy.

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"Relax," "Charlie."

I "agree" with "you."

--Thomas

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Edited April 3, 2007 by Thomas Graves

[Charles Drago]

Mr. Black,

God bless, and good luck with the new medications.

Charles

[Charles Black]

Thomas

Thank you ! I feel all warm & fuzzy when I receive vocal support. This is a wonderful feeling, but some friends think that I over react as the result of not having been breast fed when I was a baby.

I plan to follow your recommendation to relax, as I intend to go fishing with another crazed old reprobate. But since he is a psychoanalyst, he will no doubt remind me of the psychological damage that has most likely resulted from my bottle feeding. It is 71 degrees and Sunny here in the Swamplands.

Charlie Black

[Charles Black]

Charles Drago

My sincere thanks for your kind wishes. However the Doctor advised me that I should expect no immediate relief from the new "meds" as they take appx. two weeks before they "kick in".

It appears that I might have to resort to having a drink or two ! For medicinal purposes of course !

Charlie Black

[Ron Ecker]

I strongly feel that the "overly politically involved" RFK, unwisely went far beyond the boundaries of Attorney General, and that "his" attitudes and actions fueled the fire of conspiracy.

Reminds me of a photo I recently linked to showing Bobby visiting Air Commandos for the Panama Canal Zone at Eglin Air Force Base. I wondered when I saw that picture what in the hell visiting Air Commandos at Eglin had to do with being Attorney General.

[Thomas Graves]

Charles Drago

My sincere thanks for your kind wishes. However the Doctor advised me that I should expect no immediate relief from the new "meds" as they take appx. two weeks before they "kick in".

It appears that I might have to resort to having a drink or two ! For medicinal purposes of course !

Charlie Black

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Charlie,

"There" "you" "go," "again!"

--Thomas

P.S. Have a nice big turkey sandwich for lunch today. They say turkey is high in L-Tryptopan (sp?), a "natural" "sedative"...

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[Terry Mauro]

Charles Drago

"Esoteric" does not mean that ideas must be formed in the stratosphere where you "appear" to reside.

Nor does it incorporate some of the circular and venomous illogic which is so characteristic of you when you are unable to logically debate.

Dawn Meredith

If you feel that Robert Kennedy's actions, many of which were absolutely self motivated, which he so publicly flaunted, did not add to the animosity which both LBJ and JEH continued to develop for JFK, were arrogant and meant to antagonize these two men.....I feel that you must breathe the same "esoteric" lack of oxygen as your pleasant cohort, Charles Drago !

Mine was not a "straw" indictment of Robert, but one which is well documented.

My meaning was, is, and will continue to be, that

Robert's "personal behavior" went far to "broaden"

gaps which were growing "within" JFK's own administration....not to mention the "caverns"

developing elsewhere.

Yes ! I strongly feel that the "overly politically involved" RFK, unwisely went far beyond the boundaries of Attorney General, and that "his" attitudes and actions fueled the fire of conspiracy.

As I mentioned in another post, if even those who were in opposition to JFK, were able to find a different way to address their growing dissatisfaction with the President, the prospect of Robert Kennedy as a "future President" would have killed any such attempt.

Robert was generally considered "an arrogant little Bastard" by many of those who mattered and who figured heavily in "The November 22, Coup". This certainly isn't remotely reasonable politics.

He himself even KNEW that !

In the discussion of the JFK assassination, the

"seemingly different" attitude which Robert later seemed to develop, should not be confused in any way, with his actions while his brother was alive.

Charlie Black

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"If you feel that Robert Kennedy's actions, many of which were absolutely self motivated, which he so publicly flaunted, did not add to the animosity which both LBJ and JEH continued to develop for JFK, were arrogant and meant to antagonize these two men...I feel that you must breathe the same "esoteric" lack of oxygen as your pleasant cohort, Charles Drago!"

Excuse me? Since when did "these two men," especially "Gay Edgar," ever NOT go out of their way to antagonize the office of the presidency?

"Robert was generally considered "an arrogant little Bastard" by many of those who mattered and who figured heavily in "The November 22, Coup". This certainly isn't remotely reasonable politics."

Is that right? IMO, many of those who mattered and who figured heavily in "The November 22, Coup" should have been strung up by the balls, until dead! Republican, Democrat, conservative, liberal, fascist, socialist, John Birchers, communists, I don't give a good goddamn what or who they were. As long as they were involved in murder, perpetrated it, condoned it, or paid for the contract, they're guilty, be it by association, or by aiding and abetting. Are you condoning murder based upon the whatever dislike or hatred was garnered by a cadre of elitist pigs and thieves, for the POTUS's brother? Who gave them the "God-Given Right" to kill a Chief?

"My sincere thanks for your kind wishes. However the Doctor advised me that I should expect no immediate relief from the new "meds" as they take appx. two weeks before they "kick in".

It appears that I might have to resort to having a drink or two! For medicinal purposes of course!"

Surely you jest. I sincerely hope you're only joking around with regard to your mental status, Charles. Otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, you've lost all credibility for me to take you seriously. Of course, Simkin may have views far different from mine, and this is after all, his "house." But, I also reserve the right to voice mine with regard to this present form of reckless abandon you seem to have acquired a proclivity for exhibiting. I was originally under the impression that you were merely being passionate in expressing your views about whom you believed were the real perpetrators. Therefore, your recent entries aimed at RFK, and the persistent audacity you've displayed in cutting him to shreds, gave me pause to reassess your actual intentions, on the subject. Henceforth, I believe I would be more acquiescent to your current miscreant attitude if I was assured that you were in full control of your mental faculties, and not reliant on psychotropic drugs in order to voice a truly reasonable opinion. Please clarify, as I don't find the of subject of your mental stability to be anything one should joke about, even in passing. This forum is monitored by many who love nothing more than to set up those who would choose to study the assassination, as examples of sheer lunacy. Unfortunately, there have been a few who've managed to slip under the radar, and by the content of their posts, have added credibility to our detractors' claims. This, has only served to subject the dedicated authors and actual researchers to much ridicule and derision, and relegated the status of an investigation serving to challenge the Warren Commission, the infiltrated HSCA, or the best of intentions meant by those who'd testify before another infiltrated ARRB, to that of "conspiracy theory," inhabited by nothing more than, "buffs." I would have hoped that you, of all people, would have been more cognizant of this fact.

[Charles Black]

TERRY MAURO

I don't feel that I would be wrong in assuming that you were one of the very few "dullards" that did not realize that my mention of drugs was a somewhat joking response to Charles Drago's (I assume) joking recommendation that I change my medications. I feel that both my post and his were not meant to be taken seriously by the average particpant on this forum.

Tho it is really none of you business, I take no drugs, prescription or otherwise, that is stronger than aspirin.

HOWEVER, if you are often propelled into maniacal, hysterical ramblings, of the type which you just posted, I believe that most would feel that you are indeed in need of analytical or chemical assistance.

As I was reading your post, I seriously felt that you had indeed slipped over the edge.

AS I more firmly than ever believe in those ideas that I posted relating to RFK's lack of tact, manners and composure, I feel that I stated them clearly enough the first time.

Do you really "NOT BELIEVE" that Robert did not do much to antagonize Edgar, which at the time was not in the best interest of Jack? Where the hell have you been? Between Jack and Robert, they alienated much support which they could have used. The proper useage of Politics is meant to gather support for one's endeavors, not to alienate persons and positions which you purposely and very obviously bypass or refuse to recognize. A great part of this alienation, resulted often from the Kennedy refusal to follow protocol. Those in "true power" do not take lightly if they feel that their desires are being purposely bypassed.

Once again I will state that I mean to retract nothing that I have expressed regarding Robert Kennedy causing turmoil within the administration and without. I feel that he appeard to take pleasure in re aggravating old wounds rather than attempting to rehabilitate them. Frankly, and this is only a personal observation, I feel that Robert and JEH were quite similar in their practices.

If you wish to "worship" the Kennedy's, you perhaps should erect a memorial. But donning blinders does not make any of the Kennedy's perfect or near perfect.

I personally liked JFK very much and the method of his demise has burdened me to the extent, that not one day in the last 35 years, have I not devoted much thought toward the horror and injustice of his murder by those stalwarts of our society.

I had and remain to have very little respect for Robert Kennedy, both before and during his ascendancy to the postion of Attorney General. I maintain that there is little that he did during those years that did not "hasten" his brothers death.

If what I have just said leads you to believe that I am insane, you are really going to flip when you hear of my thoughts of Joe Sr, Ted and even Joseph Jr. And for that matter Rose !

I belong to this forum out of deep respect for John Kennedy. I am not particularly fond of the rest of the Kennedy Clan, and I feel that this "family behavior", for whatever contrived reason, has greatly aided in the cover up of John's murder.

Terry, I suppose that you have surmised that I care very little of your diagnosis of my mental instability ! As a matter of fact, I should take it as a compliment, considering what I feel regarding your assessments in general.

Charlie Black

[Michael Hogan]

These are my personal feelings only and I am unwilling to engage in a multi paged debate regarding these points. You may each believe what you like.

Must have changed his mind.

[Charles Black]

These are my personal feelings only and I am unwilling to engage in a multi paged debate regarding these points. You may each believe what you like.

Must have changed his mind.

Yep Mike. But thanks for not calling me a xxxx.

Changing mind is OK !

Charlie Black

[J. Raymond Carroll]

I had and remain to have very little respect for Robert Kennedy, both before and during his ascendancy to the postion of Attorney General. I maintain that there is little that he did during those years that did not "hasten" his brothers death.

Charlie Black

One of the rasons I really like this forum is that it enables me to contact serious researchers like Duke Lane, Steve Thomas, James Richards, Robin Unger, and others who are serious about solving the JFK assassination.

Another reason I like this forum is because it provides a forum for complete idiots like Charlie Black. Apparently Charlie is retired and has nothing better to do than insult real people, like RFK, who is dead and cannot defend himself.

Bravo, Charlie. We all love the bullxxxx you are spreading. I'm sure you are a better man than RFK, and I'm sure you are qualified to criticize his performance as Attorney General. (NOT!)

[Terry Mauro]

TERRY MAURO

I don't feel that I would be wrong in assuming that you were one of the very few "dullards" that did not realize that my mention of drugs was a somewhat joking response to Charles Drago's (I assume) joking recommendation that I change my medications. I feel that both my post and his were not meant to be taken seriously by the average particpant on this forum.

Tho it is really none of you business, I take no drugs, prescription or otherwise, that is stronger than aspirin.

HOWEVER, if you are often propelled into maniacal, hysterical ramblings, of the type which you just posted, I believe that most would feel that you are indeed in need of analytical or chemical assistance.

As I was reading your post, I seriously felt that you had indeed slipped over the edge.

AS I more firmly than ever believe in those ideas that I posted relating to RFK's lack of tact, manners and composure, I feel that I stated them clearly enough the first time.

Do you really "NOT BELIEVE" that Robert did not do much to antagonize Edgar, which at the time was not in the best interest of Jack? Where the hell have you been? Between Jack and Robert, they alienated much support which they could have used. The proper useage of Politics is meant to gather support for one's endeavors, not to alienate persons and positions which you purposely and very obviously bypass or refuse to recognize. A great part of this alienation, resulted often from the Kennedy refusal to follow protocol. Those in "true power" do not take lightly if they feel that their desires are being purposely bypassed.

Once again I will state that I mean to retract nothing that I have expressed regarding Robert Kennedy causing turmoil within the administration and without. I feel that he appeard to take pleasure in re aggravating old wounds rather than attempting to rehabilitate them. Frankly, and this is only a personal observation, I feel that Robert and JEH were quite similar in their practices.

If you wish to "worship" the Kennedy's, you perhaps should erect a memorial. But donning blinders does not make any of the Kennedy's perfect or near perfect.

I personally liked JFK very much and the method of his demise has burdened me to the extent, that not one day in the last 35 years, have I not devoted much thought toward the horror and injustice of his murder by those stalwarts of our society.

I had and remain to have very little respect for Robert Kennedy, both before and during his ascendancy to the postion of Attorney General. I maintain that there is little that he did during those years that did not "hasten" his brothers death.

If what I have just said leads you to believe that I am insane, you are really going to flip when you hear of my thoughts of Joe Sr, Ted and even Joseph Jr. And for that matter Rose !

I belong to this forum out of deep respect for John Kennedy. I am not particularly fond of the rest of the Kennedy Clan, and I feel that this "family behavior", for whatever contrived reason, has greatly aided in the cover up of John's murder.

Terry, I suppose that you have surmised that I care very little of your diagnosis of my mental instability ! As a matter of fact, I should take it as a compliment, considering what I feel regarding your assessments in general.

Charlie Black

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"I don't feel that I would be wrong in assuming that you were one of the very few "dullards" that did not realize that my mention of drugs was a somewhat joking response to Charles Drago's (I assume) joking recommendation that I change my medications. I feel that both my post and his were not meant to be taken seriously by the average particpant on this forum.

Tho it is really none of you business, I take no drugs, prescription or otherwise, that is stronger than aspirin.

HOWEVER, if you are often propelled into maniacal, hysterical ramblings, of the type which you just posted, I believe that most would feel that you are indeed in need of analytical or chemical assistance.

As I was reading your post, I seriously felt that you had indeed slipped over the edge."

Thanks for clarifying that point, but I really don't think it's anything to joke about.

"Do you really "NOT BELIEVE" that Robert did not do much to antagonize Edgar, which at the time was not in the best interest of Jack? Where the hell have you been? Between Jack and Robert, they alienated much support which they could have used. The proper useage of Politics is meant to gather support for one's endeavors, not to alienate persons and positions which you purposely and very obviously bypass or refuse to recognize. A great part of this alienation, resulted often from the Kennedy refusal to follow protocol. Those in "true power" do not take lightly if they feel that their desires are being purposely bypassed."

Personally, I believe that an appointed official of Gay Edgar Hoover's character was an egregious over sight on the part of the electorate, as a choice for a civil servant in a gov. position. He waged war against his perceived enemies using nothing short of blackmail as a weapon.

Your definition of the proper use of politics falls hollow in comparison to what JFK perceived to be a gross misuse of gov. power which had obviously fallen into the wrong hands. And, if you equate what you consider to be "the gathering of support for one's endeavors" by means of aiding and abetting what you sense would be in direct violation of international law, then what definition of protocol are you blindly willing to follow? Why should Kennedy or his brother, have resorted to kow-towing to "those in true power," especially if "those in true power" were insistent on steering this country down the wrong path, in order that "those in true power" might be enabled to make a killing in the stock market through blatant misappropriation of gov. contracts, by keeping the constituency in total darkness as to their true intentions. If nothing more, the murders of JFK, RFK, and MLK have at least, served the purpose of bringing the dark and murky underpinnings of the U.S. gov. and its sordid past under the scrutiny it has eluded for far too long. Sacrificially speaking.

But, since I have a job to go to, and seemingly lack time or the luxury of being able to sit on the forum all day, or read all the books I've purchased, since we are no longer allowed to have reading materials on the job that do not relate to our work, being short-staffed as it is, and having to resort to grabbing a bite to eat on the run, making sure the patients don't observe us actually eating on the job. Thanks to the neocons who've cut all funding and allowed corporations to slash, burn, and downsize departments to skeleton crews, I bid you farewell and hope you don't choke on your coffee while laughing hysterically at my post.

[Charles Black]

I had and remain to have very little respect for Robert Kennedy, both before and during his ascendancy to the postion of Attorney General. I maintain that there is little that he did during those years that did not "hasten" his brothers death.

Charlie Black

One of the rasons I really like this forum is that it enables me to contact serious researchers like Duke Lane, Steve Thomas, James Richards, Robin Unger, and others who are serious about solving the JFK assassination.

Another reason I like this forum is because it provides a forum for complete idiots like Charlie Black. Apparently Charlie is retired and has nothing better to do than insult real people, like RFK, who is dead and cannot defend himself.

Bravo, Charlie. We all love the bullxxxx you are spreading. I'm sure you are a better man than RFK, and I'm sure you are qualified to criticize his performance as Attorney General. (NOT!)

J. Raymond

That was a deplorable post and you should be advised by the moderators of it.

When a forum member cannot state that he personally feels RFK was a poor choice for any high post in government, and then is lambasted and cursed at for that belief, I find it unbelievable.

I did not state that I was a better man than RFK, but in many ways I feel that I am, and I certainly have enough knowledge to have a pretty well educated opinion on the subject !

Your statement that I was opinionating on "poor dead people" who cannot defend themselves, is as childish a statement as those which I heard RFK make to both Sam Giancanna and Jimmy Hoffa.

You would be well advised to learn a little more about me before accusing me of cowardice or having a lack of Patriotism. I fought for the right to freely express myself and I intend to continue to do so.

There are a few on this planet still that do not have to buy a book or email a person to acquire information of what occured during the JFK period and the hell that followed. There are a few of us "poor stupids" that lived what you read about.

Tell me J. Raymond, do people who speak ill of persons such as Adolph Hitler and cohorts not have that right because those good fellows are dead and cannot defend themselves?

And you are attempting to engage me from the confines of your home and the safety and relative anonymity of this forum by calling me a coward?

You would be wise to stick to your schoolyard.

You have not earned the right to call me a coward or attempt to belittle me.

I will say it again....I (ME) do not feel that RFK served himself, his President, and his Countrymen in a manner that should be expected of a person holding his position. I feel that his attempted participation in areas where he "obviously", according to protocol, should not have been participating, did much to further antagonism toward his President and probably aided in the demise of JFK. I do not need a lecture on the "good" which may have evolved had JFK remained President. He did not remain President. A full fledged coup resulted, at least in part because of the inability of the administration to see beyond its nose, and to realize that it could neither power thru nor flank the obstacles which they faced with the very limited power and support which they held. A few less harsh words and considerably more diplomacy, along with a little more political experience, may have taken the President down a different path toward the goals which he hoped to achieve. In retrospect, I feel that JFK committed

suicide while being cheered on by the ever faithful but very limited Bobby !

Do members of the forum, other than J. Raymond feel that I cannot post my beliefs that the Kennedy's were not Gods? Is it sacrilege ?

Charlie Black

[J. Raymond Carroll]

I feel that JFK committed suicide while being cheered on by the ever faithful but very limited Bobby !

Charlie Black

This gem is up there with Tim Gratz's claim that the assassination may have been a good thing for America. Maybe it is just another way of saying the same thing.