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What about all the witnesses who observed a plane crashing into the Pentagon?

Do your homework before making unsupported statements.

You clearly have not read what witnesses said.

Jack White ;)

Well, here's my homework

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,247236,00.asp

"On a Metro train to National Airport, Allen Cleveland looked out the window to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon. 'I thought, "There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,"' he said. Before he could process that thought, he saw 'a huge mushroom cloud. The lady next to me was in absolute hysterics.'"

- "Our Plane Is Being Hijacked." Washington Post, 12 Sep 2001

"As I approached the Pentagon, which was still not quite in view, listening on the radio to the first reports about the World Trade Center disaster in New York, a jetliner, apparently at full throttle and not more than a couple of hundred yards above the ground, screamed overhead. ... Seconds before the Pentagon came into view a huge black cloud of smoke rose above the road ahead. I came around the bend and there was the Pentagon billowing smoke, flames and debris, blackened on one side and with a gaping hole where the airplane had hit it."

- "Eyewitness at the Pentagon." Human Events, 17 Sep 2001

"'(The plane) was flying fast and low and the Pentagon was the obvious target,' said Fred Gaskins, who was driving to his job as a national editor at USA Today near the Pentagon when the plane passed about 150 feet overhead. 'It was flying very smoothly and calmly, without any hint that anything was wrong.'"

- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"

- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

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What about all the witnesses who observed a plane crashing into the Pentagon?

Witness statements re Pentagon crash:

EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS:

Boeing 757 or military craft?

Many eyewitnesses saw some kind of craft hit the Pentagon. Was what they saw a Boeing 757-200 or was it a missile?

 

Eyewitnesses confirm having seen something fly into the Pentagon. However, their accounts differ largely when it comes to describing the nature of the aircraft in more detail.

« We heard what sounded like a missile »

Several eyewitnesses testify to having seen a large airliner. An anonymous woman interviewed by CNN on September 11 confirms having seen "a commercial plane". Army Captain Lincoln Liebner told the AFP: "I saw this large American Airlines passenger jet coming in fast and low." Since our article: Pentagon: Hunt the Boeing! And test your perceptions! went on-line, many other eyewitnesses have come forward on the internet.

However, other accounts reported in the American press, immediately after the event, speak of a smaller aircraft that, in flight, was very unlike a commercial airliner, and even resembled a winged missile.

The aircraft "appeared to hold about 8 to 12 people" and "sounded like the high-pitched squeal of a fighter", explained Steve Patterson to the Washington Post, on September 11.

«That may have been the plane. I have never seen one on that (flight) pattern»

Tom Seibert, a network engineer at the Pentagon, told the Washington Post: "We heard what sounded like a missile, then we heard a loud boom."

«There wasn't anything in the air, except for one airplane, and it looked like it was loitering over Georgetown, in a high, left-hand bank", explained U.S. Army Brigadier General Clyde Vaughn, director of military support, to CNN. "That may have been the plane. I have never seen one on that (flight) pattern.»

« It was like a cruise missile with wings »

Just after the attack, Mike Walter, journalist at USA Today, explained to the Washington Post and CNN that "it was like a cruise missile with wings".

Danielle O'Brien, air controller at Washington's Dulles airport, from where American Airways flight 77 took off, explained that the craft that hit the Pentagon had the speed and maneuverability of a "military plane". Her account was published on the ABCnews site and used on the National Air Traffic Controllers Association site. We reproduce an extract of it here:

« I noticed the aircraft. It was an unidentified plane to the southwest of Dulles, moving at a very high rate of speed … I had literally a blip and nothing more. »

O'Brien asked the controller sitting next to her, Tom Howell, if he saw it too.

« I said, 'Oh my God, it looks like he's headed to the White House', » recalls Howell. « I was yelling … 'We've got a target headed right for the White House!' At a speed of about 500 miles an hour, the plane was headed straight for what is known as P-56, protected air space 56, which covers the White House and the Capitol.»

« The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in

the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was

a military plane » says O'Brien. « You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe. »

« The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in

the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was

a military plane »

« The plane was between 12 and 14 miles away » says O'Brien, « and it was just a countdown. Ten miles west. Nine miles west … Our supervisor picked up our line to the White House and started relaying to them the information, [that] we have an unidentified very fast-moving aircraft inbound toward your vicinity, 8 miles west. »

Vice President Cheney was rushed to a special basement bunker. White House staff members were told to run away from the building

« And it went 'six, five, four', And I had it in my mouth to say, three, and all of a sudden the plane turned away. In the room, it was almost a sense of relief. This must be a fighter. This must be one of our guys sent in, scrambled to patrol our capital, and to protect our president, and we sat back in our chairs and breathed for just a second », says O'Brien.

But the plane continued to turn right until it had made a 360-degree maneuver.

« We lost radar contact with that aircraft. And we waited. And we waited. And your heart is just beating out of your chest waiting to hear what's happened, », says O'Brien. « and then the Washington National [Airport] controllers came over our speakers in our room and said,'Dulles, hold all of our inbound traffic. The Pentagon's been hit.' »

On September 11, the State Department for Defense confirmed that a Boeing 757 had crashed on the Pentagon. Eyewitnesses indeed talk of a flying craft. But there is no absolute consensus that this craft was an airliner. Maybe the official version of events subsequently influenced eyewitness accounts. Two French newspapers, Le Monde and Libération, have both published counter-arguments to our own. Both cite Steve Patterson and Mike Walter to prove how wrong we were to doubt the Boeing 757 hypothesis. Such accounts, those first reported in the American press, should, however, open up new lines of enquiry. The first said that the aircraft «appeared to hold about 8 to 12 people»and «sounded like the high-pitched squeal of a fighter.». The second said that it «was like a cruise missile with wings.»...

This begs the question: What evidence is available to determine the nature of the craft ? Please read the article that follows: The evidence: One hole, 2 1/2 yards in diameter

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Jack,

It is indeed plausible that 9/11 was directed from the inside. However, whoever did it, they must be chuckling at the wild and demontrably false theories being spun around certain aspects of the operation. It serves them greatly to point out how nuts some conspiracy theories are.

The myth that the Pentagon was struck by a missile, rather than a Boeing, is one of the examples to be grateful for. The seeming lack of damage to the Pentagon and the shortage of debris of the airplane are the cause for these stories. Yet, it is perfectly compatible with the crash of an airplane into a building. The wings break off at the engines, then fold along the body and slide into the building like a cigar. The burning jet fuel vaporizes a lot of the aircraft inside the building.

Pieces of the aircraft are still trown out and contrary to popular opinion, there are photographs of debris on the Pentagon lawn, with the colors of American airlines still on it.

We had a similar crash here in Amsterdam in 1992 with a 747, almost 3 times the weight of the 757 that crashed on the Pentagon. There is hardy any debris visible from the airplane and the damage to the building is much less than you would expect from the wingspan of a Jumbo Jet.

Google on images for "Bijlmerramp" and you'll find the pictures:

http://images.google.nl/images?q=Bijlmerra...F-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Wim

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