Hideous sectarian killings across the country since the start of April

[Steven Gaal]

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So what do you think the US is about the attack Pakistan with an aircraft carrier to create an independent Balochistan? END COLBY

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Gee some people remember the USS Enterprise threat .

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Then-US ambassador to the United Nations George H.W. Bush—later 41st President of the United States—introduced a resolution in the UN Security Council calling for a cease-fire and the withdrawal of armed forces by India and Pakistan. It was vetoed by the Soviet Union. The following days witnessed a great pressure on the Soviets from the Nixon-Kissinger duo to get India to withdraw, but to no avail.[77]

It has been documented that President Nixon requested Iran and Jordan to send their F-86, F-104 and F-5 fighter jets in aid of Pakistan.[78]

When Pakistan's defeat in the eastern sector seemed certain, Nixon deployed a carrier battle group led by the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise into the Bay of Bengal. The Enterprise and its escort ships arrived on station on 11 December 1971. According to a Russian documentary, the United Kingdom deployed a carrier battle group led by the aircraft carrier HMS Eagle to the Bay,[72][79] although this is unlikely as the Eagle was decommissioned at Portsmouth, England in January 1972.

On 6 and 13 December, the Soviet Navy dispatched two groups of cruisers and destroyers and a submarine armed with nuclear missiles from Vladivostok;[72] they trailed U.S. Task Force 74 into the Indian Ocean from 18 December 1971 until 7 January 1972. The Soviets also had a nuclear submarine to help ward off the threat posed by USS Enterprise task force in the Indian Ocean.[80][81]

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Songwriters: HAMLISCH, MARVIN/BERGMAN, ALAN/BERGMAN, MARILYN

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Memries,

Like the corners of my mind

Misty water-colored memories

Of the way we were

Scattered pictures,

Of the smiles we left behind

Smiles we gave to one another

For the way we were

Can it be that it was all so simple then?

Or has time re-written every line?

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HOW ABOUT SOLUTIONS ????????

http://alaiwah.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/how-to-find-a-permanent-resolution-of-the-balochistan-situation/

Edited June 29, 2012 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

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We'll have to agree to disagree about that but this is irrelevant since you did not site them, you cited a forum post which cited the "Examiner.com" which is essentially a blog site, the blogger Ahmar Mustikhan is an obscure figure. He in turn cited the Deccan Chronicle which seems to be a respectable paper based in southern India which claimed '"The US has moved its biggest aircraft carrier 65 to 70 nautical miles away from Gwadar in the second week of June", a Pakistani television channel reported.' They never indicated which TV channel supposedly made this report and are based in a city too far from Pakistan to pick up TV signals from there. Odd that no other news media not even Pakistani seems to be reporting this and the Pakistani gov't seems not to have said anything either.

As for the events of 1971 it seem that "Tricky Dick" was trying to keep Bangladesh from breaking-off from Pakistan but the presence of the USS seems not to have had much of an affect.

Edited June 29, 2012 by Len Colby

[Steven Gaal]

Seems real enough event to ask for phone calls ??

Baloch likely to distribute sweets to welcome USS Enterprise

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Though Pakistan is fuming, Baloch all over the world are joyous that the USS Enterpise is close to the territorial waters of Balochistan near the port city of Gwadar.

These Baloch are appealing to Balochistan leaders to come out openly and publicly in support of the U.S. carrier.

Most Baloch accuse Pakistan of ethnic cleansing and loot and plunder and say if they remain with Pakistan they will be big time losers and live in poverty even though Balochistan is as rich as Switzerland, according to Pakistan writer Fatima Bhutto, grand daughter of slain premier Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.

The USS Enterprise moved close to Balochistan's territorial waters -- which Islamabad claims belongs to Pakistan, but the Baloch reject this as false -- exactly one week after Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta said U.S. patience with Pakistan is running out.

A U.S. team negotiating the restoring of NATO supply routes was also abruptly called back few days ago.

Most Baloch leaders, including Geneva-based Sardar Brahumdagh Bugti of the Baloch Repulican Party, are miffed why the U.S. is talking to Pakistan on these routes in stead of the Baloch.

The premier American Friends of Balochistan called upon its members and supporters in the U.S. and abroad to distribute sweets over the development-- a traditional way of showing mass gratitude and happiness.

The number at Pentagon to call is +1 (703) 571-3343.

A number of key political activists from Gwadar, including Mehboob Wadela, Comrade Qayyum and Hameed Hayatan, were forcibly abducted, tortured and killed execution style killed by Pakistan's Frontier Corps and intelligence services.

However, some Baloch leaders -- after seeing what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan, where trigger happy American troops killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians --, say the U.S. troops should never land on Balochistan soil.

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Ahmar Mustikhan, Baltimore Foreign Policy Examiner

Ahmar Mustikhan is a journalist of longstanding from Balochistan -- a Texas-sized stateless region divided among Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan --, and now resides in the greater Washington DC metropolitan area. In his professional career, he has worked for leading newspaper groups in Pakistan,...

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Gee maybe the Baluchi info is false misdirection data ??

Build up to WW3 - USS Enterprise to be used for False Flag Attack?

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[Len Colby]

Seems real enough event to ask for phone calls ??

Real enough for for an obscure blogger to make unsourced claims, oh yes it MUST be true!! But not real enough for to be mentioned news sites on the web other than a single Indian newspaper and not seemingly real enough to be mention by any Pakistani politicians. Perhaps that's because "65 to 70 nautical miles" from the coast is INTERNATIONAL waters and Gawadar is only about 180nm from Oman

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Gee maybe the Baluchi info is false misdirection data ??

Build up to WW3 - USS Enterprise to be used for False Flag Attack?

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Are you a betting man Mr. Gall? Let's put money this I'll even give you odds. L

LOL a YT video full of speculation from a Holocaust denier who didn't offer any citations and got several facts wrong (the attack on the Liberty was never blamed on Egypt etc)

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Edited June 29, 2012 by Len Colby

[Steven Gaal]

_{ITS SPELLED GAAL, not GALL. I dont want to take your betting money. You know I have posted about EX-PATS problems.}

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_{Though that line of inquiry might appear implausible, the White House ordered the return of US warplanes sent to assist the Liberty, suggesting that Johnson knew who the attackers were in spite of the fact that the Israelis had covered over their aircraft markings in an apparent attempt to blame the Egyptians. One might also recall the Gulf of Tonkin incident.}

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_{USS Liberty sailors report that Israel attacked the Liberty using unmarked aircraft. This one observation tends to prove Israel knew exactly who they were attacking. Israel's story is that they thought USS Liberty was an Egyptian ship and therefore a legitimate target of war. Were that true, there would be no reason to attack a supposedly Egyptian ship with unmarked aircraft! The only possible reason to use unmarked aircraft to attack the ship is that Israel knew it was an American ship and intended to sink it, then to blame the attack on Egypt.}

_{Moorer, who as top legal council to the official investigation is in a position to know, agrees that Israel intended to sink the USS Liberty and blame Egypt for it, thus dragging the United States into a war on Israel's behalf.[4]}

Edited June 30, 2012 by Steven Gaal

[Len Colby]

_{ITS SPELLED GAAL, not GALL.}

The latter spelling fits you better

_{I dont want to take your betting money. You know I have posted about EX-PATS problems.}

Translation Gaal know he would probably loose

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_{Though that line of inquiry might appear implausible, the White House ordered the return of US warplanes sent to assist the Liberty, suggesting that Johnson knew who the attackers were in spite of the fact that the Israelis had covered over their aircraft markings in an apparent attempt to blame the Egyptians. One might also recall the Gulf of Tonkin incident.}

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_{USS Liberty sailors report that Israel attacked the Liberty using unmarked aircraft. This one observation tends to prove Israel knew exactly who they were attacking. Israel's story is that they thought USS Liberty was an Egyptian ship and therefore a legitimate target of war. Were that true, there would be no reason to attack a supposedly Egyptian ship with unmarked aircraft! The only possible reason to use unmarked aircraft to attack the ship is that Israel knew it was an American ship and intended to sink it, then to blame the attack on Egypt.}

_{Moorer, who as top legal council to the official investigation is in a position to know, agrees that Israel intended to sink the USS Liberty and blame Egypt for it, thus dragging the United States into a war on Israel's behalf.[4]}

People speculating that Egypt was going to be blamed is not the same thing as Egypt having been blamed. I won't debate the Liberty Incident with you on THIS thread, there already is a 10 page one dedicated to that topic.

Edited July 1, 2012 by Len Colby

[Steven Gaal]

COLBY WRONG AGAIN

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False Flag

A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran.

• By Mark Perry<p> Mark Perry is an author and historian. His latest book is Talking to Terrorists.< /p>
• January 13, 2012

Buried deep in the archives of America’s intelligence services are a series of memos, written during the last years of President George W. Bush’s administration, that describe how Israeli Mossad officers recruited operatives belonging to the terrorist group Jundallah by passing themselves off as American agents. According to two U.S. intelligence officials, the Israelis, flush with American dollars and toting U.S. passports, posed as CIA officers in recruiting Jundallah operatives — what is commonly referred to as a "false flag" operation.

The memos, as described by the sources, one of whom has read them and another who is intimately familiar with the case, investigated and debunked reports from 2007 and 2008 accusing the CIA, at the direction of the White House, of covertly supporting Jundallah — a Pakistan-based Sunni extremist organization. Jundallah, according to the U.S. government and published reports, is responsible for assassinating Iranian government officials and killing Iranian women and children.

But while the memos show that the United States had barred even the most incidental contact with Jundallah, according to both intelligence officers, the same was not true for Israel’s Mossad. The memos also detail CIA field reports saying that Israel’s recruiting activities occurred under the nose of U.S. intelligence officers, most notably in London, the capital of one of Israel’s ostensible allies, where Mossad officers posing as CIA operatives met with Jundallah officials.

The officials did not know whether the Israeli program to recruit and use Jundallah is ongoing. Nevertheless, they were stunned by the brazenness of the Mossad’s efforts.

"It’s amazing what the Israelis thought they could get away with," the intelligence officer said. "Their recruitment activities were nearly in the open. They apparently didn’t give a damn what we thought."

Interviews with six currently serving or recently retired intelligence officers over the last 18 months have helped to fill in the blanks of the Israeli false-flag operation. In addition to the two currently serving U.S. intelligence officers, the existence of the Israeli false-flag operation was confirmed to me by four retired intelligence officers who have served in the CIA or have monitored Israeli intelligence operations from senior positions inside the U.S. government.

The CIA and the White House were both asked for comment on this story. By the time this story went to press, they had not responded. The Israeli intelligence services — the Mossad — were also contacted, in writing and by telephone, but failed to respond. As a policy, Israel does not confirm or deny its involvement in intelligence operations.

There is no denying that there is a covert, bloody, and ongoing campaign aimed at stopping Iran’s nuclear program, though no evidence has emerged connecting recent acts of sabotage and killings inside Iran to Jundallah. Many reports have cited Israel as the architect of this covert campaign, which claimed its latest victim on Jan. 11 when a motorcyclist in Tehran slipped a magnetic explosive device under the car of Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, a young Iranian nuclear scientist. The explosion killed Roshan, making him the fourth scientist assassinated in the past two years. The United States adamantly denies it is behind these killings.

According to one retired CIA officer, information about the false-flag operation was reported up the U.S. intelligence chain of command. It reached CIA Director of Operations Stephen Kappes, his deputy Michael Sulick, and the head of the Counterintelligence Center. All three of these officials are now retired. The Counterintelligence Center, according to its website, is tasked with investigating "threats posed by foreign intelligence services."

The report then made its way to the White House, according to the currently serving U.S. intelligence officer. The officer said that Bush "went absolutely ballistic" when briefed on its contents.

"The report sparked White House concerns that Israel’s program was putting Americans at risk," the intelligence officer told me. "There’s no question that the U.S. has cooperated with Israel in intelligence-gathering operations against the Iranians, but this was different. No matter what anyone thinks, we’re not in the business of assassinating Iranian officials or killing Iranian civilians."

Israel’s relationship with Jundallah continued to roil the Bush administration until the day it left office, this same intelligence officer noted. Israel’s activities jeopardized the administration’s fragile relationship with Pakistan, which was coming under intense pressure from Iran to crack down on Jundallah. It also undermined U.S. claims that it would never fight terror with terror, and invited attacks in kind on U.S. personnel.

"It’s easy to understand why Bush was so angry," a former intelligence officer said. "After all, it’s hard to engage with a foreign government if they’re convinced you’re killing their people. Once you start doing that, they feel they can do the same."

A senior administration official vowed to "take the gloves off" with Israel, according to a U.S. intelligence officer. But the United States did nothing — a result that the officer attributed to "political and bureaucratic inertia."

"In the end," the officer noted, "it was just easier to do nothing than to, you know, rock the boat." Even so, at least for a short time, this same officer noted, the Mossad operation sparked a divisive debate among Bush’s national security team, pitting those who wondered "just whose side these guys [in Israel] are on" against those who argued that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

The debate over Jundallah was resolved only after Bush left office when, within his first weeks as president, Barack Obama drastically scaled back joint U.S.-Israel intelligence programs targeting Iran, according to multiple serving and retired officers.

The decision was controversial inside the CIA, where officials were forced to shut down "some key intelligence-gathering operations," a recently retired CIA officer confirmed. This action was followed in November 2010 by the State Department’s addition of Jundallah to its list of foreign terrorist organizations — a decision that one former CIA officer called "an absolute no-brainer."

Since Obama’s initial order, U.S. intelligence services have received clearance to cooperate with Israel on a number of classified intelligence-gathering operations focused on Iran’s nuclear program, according to a currently serving officer. These operations are highly technical in nature and do not involve covert actions targeting Iran’s infrastructure or political or military leadership.

"We don’t do bang and boom," a recently retired intelligence officer said. "And we don’t do political assassinations."

Israel regularly proposes conducting covert operations targeting Iranians, but is just as regularly shut down, according to retired and current intelligence officers. "They come into the room and spread out their plans, and we just shake our heads," one highly placed intelligence source said, "and we say to them — ‘Don’t even go there. The answer is no.’"

Unlike the Mujahedin-e Khalq, the controversial exiled Iranian terrorist group that seeks the overthrow of the Tehran regime and is supported by former leading U.S. policymakers, Jundallah is relatively unknown — but just as violent. In May 2009, a Jundallah suicide bomber blew himself up inside a mosque in Zahedan, the capital of Iran’s southeastern Sistan-Baluchistan province bordering Pakistan, during a Shiite religious festival. The bombing killed 25 Iranians and wounded scores of others.

The attack enraged Tehran, which traced the perpetrators to a cell operating in Pakistan. The Iranian government notified the Pakistanis of the Jundallah threat and urged them to break up the movement’s bases along the Iranian-Pakistani border. The Pakistanis reacted sluggishly in the border areas, feeding Tehran’s suspicions that Jundallah was protected by Pakistan’s intelligence services.

The 2009 attack was just one in a long line of terrorist attacks attributed to the organization. In August 2007, Jundallah kidnapped 21 Iranian truck drivers. In December 2008, it captured and executed 16 Iranian border guards — the gruesome killings were filmed, in a stark echo of the decapitation of American businessman Nick Berg in Iraq at the hands of al Qaeda’s Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. In July 2010, Jundallah conducted a twin suicide bombing in Zahedan outside a mosque, killing dozens of people, including members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

The State Department aggressively denies that the U.S. government had or has any ties to Jundallah. "We have repeatedly stated, and reiterate again that the United States has not provided support to Jundallah," a spokesman wrote in an email to the Wall Street Journal, following Jundallah’s designation as a terrorist organization. "The United States does not sponsor any form of terrorism. We will continue to work with the international community to curtail support for terrorist organizations and prevent violence against innocent civilians. We have also encouraged other governments to take comparable actions against Jundallah."

A spate of stories in 2007 and 2008, including a report by ABC News and a New Yorker article, suggested that the United States was offering covert support to Jundallah. The issue has now returned to the spotlight with the string of assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists and has outraged serving and retired intelligence officers who fear that Israeli operations are endangering American lives.

"This certainly isn’t the first time this has happened, though it’s the worst case I’ve heard of," former Centcom chief and retired Gen. Joe Hoar said of the Israeli operation upon being informed of it. "But while false-flag operations are hardly new, they’re extremely dangerous. You’re basically using your friendship with an ally for your own purposes. Israel is playing with fire. It gets us involved in their covert war, whether we want to be involved or not."

The Israeli operation left a number of recently retired CIA officers sputtering in frustration. "It’s going to be pretty hard for the U.S. to distance itself from an Israeli attack on Iran with this kind of thing going on," one of them told me.

Jundallah head Abdolmalek Rigi was captured by Iran in February 2010. Although initial reports claimed that he was captured by the Iranians after taking a flight from Dubai to Kyrgyzstan, a retired intelligence officer with knowledge of the incident told me that Rigi was detained by Pakistani intelligence officers in Pakistan. The officer said that Rigi was turned over to the Iranians after the Pakistani government informed the United States that it planned to do so. The United States, this officer said, did not raise objections to the Pakistani decision.

Iran, meanwhile, has consistently claimed that Rigi was snatched from under the eyes of the CIA, which it alleges supported him. "It doesn’t matter," the former intelligence officer said of Iran’s charges. "It doesn’t matter what they say. They know the truth."

Rigi was interrogated, tried, and convicted by the Iranians and hanged on June 20, 2010. Prior to his execution, Rigi claimed in an interview with Iranian media — which has to be assumed was under duress — that he had doubts about U.S. sponsorship of Jundallah. He recounted an alleged meeting with "NATO officials" in Morocco in 2007 that raised his suspicions. "When we thought about it we came to the conclusion that they are either Americans acting under NATO cover or Israelis," he said.

While many of the details of Israel’s involvement with Jundallah are now known, many others still remain a mystery — and are likely to remain so. The CIA memos of the incident have been "blue bordered," meaning that they were circulated to senior levels of the broader U.S. intelligence community as well as senior State Department officials.

What has become crystal clear, however, is the level of anger among senior intelligence officials about Israel’s actions. "This was stupid and dangerous," the intelligence official who first told me about the operation said. "Israel is supposed to be working with us, not against us. If they want to shed blood, it would help a lot if it was their blood and not ours. You know, they’re supposed to be a strategic asset. Well, guess what? There are a lot of people now, important people, who just don’t think that’s true."

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[Steven Gaal]

COLBY WRONG AGAIN

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Tuesday, 17 February 2015

BALKANIZATION OF PAKISTAN

Dr. Agha Inamullah khan

17th February 2015

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