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John Dolva

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Hijack away Tom. I'm a student here. I think Paul raises important issues that need to be studied. I won't engage him in a philosophical discussion on thwe JFK forum except insofar as it pertains to an understanding of the assassination. To do this I think it's important to have some understanding as it forms part of analysing motive et.c.. It's interesting that a hegelian dialectician and a dialectical materialist can have so much commonality with regards to focus re the assassination so I don't want to risk damaging that as people seem to have some difficulty maintaining objectivity when clashes occur in the arena of the ego that encompasses thoughts, though I don't think Paul from his writings indicates particularly much inability to pause and give measured responses. I'm not going to qualify that much more. Otherwise, given Sartres role in the world at the time in consideration I think it is important to try to understand him, Ditto likely Simone DeBeauvoir(sp?), even Olaf Palme. Che of course as well as Fidel so there are a number of topics at the moment exploring these things. Anyway anything pertaining to Sartre and the concurrent threads of philosophies of hegelian and marxist dialectics are much welcome.

Wonder why such a person as DeGaulle would say that. Was Sartre regarded as a national treasure of some sort? I wonder what Sartre thought of it?

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Ok. Not being french or a USofAer but a mix of Scandinavian and Australian of a particular generation and type the fact that as Korda, Sartre, De bouvoir(?sp) were hanging around with Fidel so was Palme. Interestingly (and this is from memory) when Palme was shot his son was attending some educational institution in france and apparently when the news arrived some people there laughed. At the same time scandinavian french relations run deep, back to the sacking of paris, the normans and on to when the swedish royal line ended a french royal was chosen to start the next line.also while France supported the US in Indo China and vice versa, Sweden supported the Viet Cong. It's an interesting complex mix of 'events'. In Oz we also have a particular trait called the ''tall poppy syndrome''. If it grows too high, chop it off.

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I been doing a bit more reading on Voltaire (amusing character and oh so modern, it's amazing, the age of enlightenment) and I think I get De Gaulle more now. Voltaire was a multifaceted character, a bit of a 'primitive' socialist, activist, humanitarian and other things, moving in the world of 'Newtonianism', was jailed in the Bastille, arrested, evading arrest on a number of occasions, in and out of favor with various VIPs and much more including an inspiration for the French Revolution. He achieved a kind of untouchability with serious enemies and serious friends. He died old. so : ''you don't arrest Voltaire'' (one of 178 nom de plums) seems to me to be clear in meaning. I think with Che they found it better to do away with him rather than like Fidel surviving Moncada and going on to triumph in the Revolution. Fear (or reluctant pragmatism) drove De Gaulle. ?

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I don't want to hijack your thread, John, but my favorite memory about Sartre was when

he was arrested in the May 1968 strikes in France and arrested for civil disobedience.

President de Gaulle was then forced to step in and release Sartre, saying "you don't arrest Voltaire."

The New York Times, June 7, 1987

In the light of JJ's account of De Gaulle and looking at the OAS (see "JOACHIM JOESTEN How Kennedy was Killed" thread on what the OAS was/is in that context) apart from De Gaulle, Sartre was a target for them (the OAS). This is the tie in. The full story is no doubt interesting.

Existential?

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