Three questions for Jack White

[Len Colby]

1) Do you believe the Moon landings were faked or are you only willing to go so far as to say the photos were faked? Your recent comments on the subject have been contradictory.

I have never said the landings were faked. I have always said THE PHOTOS ARE FAKED.

… JFK had nothing to do with faking the trips to the moon. LBJ and Nixon were responsible for that.

It would be stupid to say the Apollo Surface Journal is genuine since the photos are NOT.It is logical to consider the written record fiction since it is written about imaginary events which did not take place.

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2) Over the last 40 years or so you have touted yourself as an 'expert' photo analyst despite having no training in the field and your only experience was doing studio photography for a local ad agency. You have claimed to have found proof of: fakery/alteration the Apollo mission and JFK assassination photographic records, controlled demolition of the WTC, a missile (as opposed to a plane) hitting the Pentagon, chemtrails, and intentional destruction of dikes in New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina. If I have misstated your position on any of those issues or missed one it was not intentional please correct me.

The question is have any of your 'theories' ever been backed by a trained photo analyst?

3) You have left numerous questions to you unanswered. Do you plan on responding anytime in the near future? Since as you have stated you are retired and have plenty of free time you should have gotten around to it by now.

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http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...indpost&p=44850

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...indpost&p=48303 see also posts 41-43 on the same page

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...indpost&p=49975

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...indpost&p=20005

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...indpost&p=42347

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5199

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...indpost&p=46970 see also posts 5 & 10 on the same page

Edited January 30, 2006 by Len Colby

[Len Colby]

Jack White on the faking of Apollo

http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.html

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I am saddened by the deaths on a launchpad in Florida in 1967 of Apollo 1 astronauts Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee, who may have known too much for their own security.*

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But the thousands of honorable workers at NASA will be shocked and saddened to learn of the dark secrets of forty years ago...the Apollo Moon missions. Examination of NASA records reveals a terrible skeleton rotting away in their own files, a monumental deception. Very few NASA employees knew about the ruse, although it continues to be covered up to this very day by some secret keeper of the "national security" keys. Most likely this was a TOP SECRET political/military project.

This skeleton in the NASA closet is documented by the space agency itself. And the facts provided are indisputable. As Shakespeare might have said, the agency is "hoist with their own petard"...that is, blown up by their own devices.

What is this dirty secret?

Grave doubt exists that the Apollo missions to the Moon were anything more than the most incredible hoax of all time. Did astronauts actually go to the Moon? I do not know. But NASA's own evidence shows that all photos of the Apollo feats had to be forgeries. They were likely made in a secret Earthly studio somewhere as a top secret military project. And if all the "Moon photos" of all the "Moon missions" were fakes, the question is 'why?'.

Real missions should have produced real photos.

To understand the "why" of faking "landing a man on the Moon by the end of the decade" that had been promised by JFK in his first speech to Congress, one must go back to the Cold War with the USSR and the much-touted "space race". In the early 60s, the Soviets were ahead of the US in space exploration. Sputnik and other Red successes evoked a US political crisis. But the Soviets likely knew that sending a man to the Moon was an immensely difficult task and that JFK's rhetoric was a hollow promise.

However, after Lyndon B. Johnson succeeded the assassinated Kennedy he likely came up with a brilliant (and evil, in my opinion) idea. He must have thought, "...the experts say we can't go to the Moon like Kennedy promised, but I say we can! We can FAKE IT!" If LBJ could pull it off, to simplify a very complex Cold War situation, it would be a great propaganda coup and establish US superiority over communism. So I theorize that LBJ conspired with his successor Richard M. Nixon and OTHERS to carry out an elaborate plan to fool the world by "flying to the Moon". It was a brilliant plan, executed in strict military secrecy, and it has fooled the world for more than 40 years. But it has been undone by its own excesses, as now revealed from NASA records for the first time

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2. Each of the six successful missions landed two astronauts "on the Moon" in a flimsy craft NASA originally had called the Lunar Excursion Module (LEM, later shortened to LM), an unproven craft which never had an opportunity for a lunar landing test flight. But it landed and then took off six times with spectacular "success" on Apollo missions 11 and 12, and 14 through 17...once even landing within 200 feet of a pre-selected target.

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I think Jack has been "Hoist with his own petard"

Gee Jack, who lacks credibility now? Asserting that you never said the Moon landings were faked is what I will euphemistically call "a departure from the truth". Evan was telling the truth unfortunately I don't think I can say the same about you. Yes you did say yo "did not know" if they went to the Moon or not but the whole thrust of the article is that the missions were faked as you in contradicary fashion say elsewhere in the same article. Your "I have only said the photos were faked" line is croc. Your at least have honesty and conviction to admit to and stand by your beliefs.

* Jack is alluding to the baseless theory that the Apollo 1 crew was murdered because Grissom was going to go public with the impossibility of reaching the Moon. This makes no sense wouldn't a 'car accident' be a more logical solution. The fire was a huge set back to the Apollo program. One wonders why Grissom would have gone on the dangerous mission (see quote below) if he was planning to blow the whistle and had told NASA already.

Shortly before the launch Grissom said "If we die, we want people to accept it. We're in a risky business, and we hope that if anything happens to us it will not delay the program. The conquest of space is worth the risk of life." Which is of course inconstant with the notion of him being a whistle blower, who knew Apollo could not suceed. For more read this thread on another forum http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cg...read=1128492991

Jack I see that you are copping out once again by answering only one question half way and even then not on another thread.

[Evan Burton]

As has been amply demonstrated, Jack will not answer any refuting of his so-called studies.

When proof contrary to his claims has been demonstrated, he ignores them.

From this I can only summise that he is either:

1) Incompetent and unable to recognise his own errors; or

2) Deluded to the point he is unwilling to admit to his own errors; or

3) Deliberately deceptive and therefore unwilling to admit his errors as it will expose his deception.

Contrast his behaviour to Bill Dines - a person who shares Jack's views and is in opposition to mine - yet willing to admit when errors are made and open to discussion on all aspects of his beliefs.

[Len Colby]

Bumped for Jack