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I have'nt been here in a while. Its like a ghosttown.
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Whered everbody go? where's Wim Dankbar? where's Charles Robert Dunn? where's Jim diEuegenio? where's Tim Gratz? where's Tosh Plumey? did everbvody leave after the 50yth?
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Any veteran JFK Researcher worth his salt is no doubt aware that a big part of the controversy and enmity that exists between the persons believing there was a conspiracy, and the beloved Lone-Nutters. On the alt.conspiracy.jfk newsgroup, as well as on the internet, Rose Cheramie is always right in the middle of allegations and counter-arguments that her information indicating foreknowledge was either invented after the fact, or, was actually before the assassination, as Fruge indicated.Thanks, Larry!
great information. I had been wondering for a while if maybe the ship was a Lykes Line operation. Some interesting connections there if it had been...
but it isn't.
Irrespective of whether or not that is the truth, [and there is actually good reason to believe that it was before the assassination], there is a significant point that needs to be addressed regarding Cheramie.
Rose Cheramie aka Melba Mercades, she actually had a multitude of aliases, is, in retrospect beyond simply "important."
Why?
Two reasons.
One. if she was and is as insignificant as, certain idiots maintain, why are there at least four documents on her that are postponed in full? See bottom of post
Two. Read the article in Probe Magazine by Jim DiEugenio
Rose Cheramie: How She Predicted The JFK Assassination
Postscript:
The Assassinations: Probe Magazine on JFK, MLK, RFK, and Malcolm X pg 230, by DiEugenio, James and Pease, Lisa, editors (2003)
Amazon Rating:
It should be noted that at this point there exists some confusion about Mac Manuals identification of Santana. Writers like John Davis have said that the man's last name was `Osanto'. This is based on Patricia Orr's summary of the Cheramie episode in Volume 10 of the HSCA volumes. Apparently Orr was working only from Fruge’s April 18, 1978 deposition transcript. There Fruge states that ther second man was, to the best of his memory, Osanto. But this confusion is now cleared up with the declassification by the ARRB of the rest of the HSCA records. For in the summary of Fruge’s deposition, and in the accompanying index, Blackmer notes that Fruge identified the actual photos that Manual picked out. The photos were of Sergio Aracha Smith and Emilio Santana.
In 2006 on a JFK newsgroup, I am told there was a "Jaxie Stewart Fisher," who claimed that her relationship to Rose Cheramie, was intimate enough that she was known to her as "Aunt Pippy."
also
Galveston Daily News January 8, 1954
Frank Ragland, Alvin Resident, Succumbs Here
Services for Frank Ragland, 41 Former Steamship
Marrion Lykes
Other useful idiots and scoffers may want to explain the following.
AGENCY : CUSTOMS
RECORD NUMBER : 196-10001-10049
RECORDS SERIES : FIELD OFFICE FILES
DOCUMENT INFORMATION
ORIGINATOR : CUSTOMS
FROM : SAC NEW ORLEANS
TO : [No To]
TITLE : [No Title]
DATE : 12/18/1963
PAGES : 1
DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT
SUBJECTS : CHERAMI, ROSE
CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED
RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL
CURRENT STATUS : OPEN
DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 12/21/1996
COMMENTS : CASE FILE CARD ON ROSE CHERAMI. CASE FILES TRANSFERRED
TO FRC FT. WORTH AND CONFIRMED DESTROYED. NO FURTHER INFORMATION.
AGENCY : CUSTOMS
RECORD NUMBER : 196-10001-10059
RECORDS SERIES : FIELD OFFICE FILES
DOCUMENT INFORMATION
ORIGINATOR : CUSTOMS
FROM : SAC NEW ORLEANS
TO : [No To]
TITLE : [No Title]
DATE : 12/18/1963
PAGES : 1
DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT
SUBJECTS : MARCADES, MELBA
CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED
RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL
CURRENT STATUS : OPEN
DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 12/21/1996
COMMENTS : CASE FILE CARD ON MELBA MARCADES. CASE FILES
TRANSFERRED TO FRC FT. WORTH AND CONFIRMED DESTROYED.
NO FURTHER INFORMATION.
AGENCY : CUSTOMS
RECORD NUMBER : 196-10001-10059
RECORDS SERIES : FIELD OFFICE FILES
DOCUMENT INFORMATION
ORIGINATOR : CUSTOMS
FROM : SAC NEW ORLEANS
TO : [No To]
TITLE : [No Title]
DATE : 12/18/1963
PAGES : 1
DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT
SUBJECTS : MARCADES, MELBA
CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED
RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL
CURRENT STATUS : OPEN
DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 12/21/1996
COMMENTS : CASE FILE CARD ON MELBA MARCADES. CASE FILES
TRANSFERRED TO FRC FT. WORTH AND CONFIRMED DESTROYED.
NO FURTHER INFORMATION
http://www.nara.gov/cgi-bin/starfinder/6254/jfksnew.txt
22 Documents related to Rose Cheramie
01 180-10105-10328
02 180-10105-10330
03 180-10112-10058 ARRESTS ROSE CHERAMIE
04 180-10112-10057 MELBA MARCADES
05 180-10089-10046
06 124-10185-10123
07 124-10276-10427
08 180-10111-10073 POSTPONED IN FULL
09 180-10111-10074
10 180-10107-10062
11 180-10100-10004 1 page Customs Dept Staff
12 180-10147-10339
13 180-10104-10459 POSTPONED IN FULL
14 180-10105-10003 POSTPONED IN FULL
15 180-10106-10014
16 180-10112-10310
17 124-10373-10139
18 180-10067-10459
19 180-10074-10060 1 page
20 180-10065-10259
21 180-10089-10047 POSTPONED IN FULL
22 180-10095-10160 Rose Cheramie aliases POSTPONED IN FULL
23* 196-10001-10059
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23* This document was under NARA as Melba Marcades
PS Joan Mellen could offer some significant assistance in this area if she chose to do so.
Any of these docs opened up yet?
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Whats the latest news? Any new witnesses come foward?
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INTERVIEW WITH ANTHONY SUMMERS (NOVEMBER 20, 2013)
Published December 4, 2013
Good to see summers is still on the case. His book is a classic.
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Does anyone have the pic that shows Ferrie, Shaw and Oswald at a party and if so could you post it?
jim
Reites' site:
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Mike, you are
Mike, you're good with guns and ballistics, but not so good when you try to put the guns in Oswald's hands, as your bias slips in.
As for debating DVP, there's nothing to debate. He would have to continually check with his hero's bible Bugliosi's Reclaiming History, which he tells us was originaly going to be called Final Verdict, but they can't seem to put the final nail in Oswald's coffin.
It's easy to follow the planted evidence that frames Oswald The Patsy, but as soon as you latch on to it, you're distracted long enough to let the real assassins slip away.
DVP would never come here to join in the debate for the same reasons Dale Myers and the rest of those YoYos won't, because they would be exposed for what they are.
DVP has said many times he would like to post here but Mr. Simkin wo'nt let him. Maybe you could talk to Mr. Simkin?
BB
P.S. Before anybody says it, no I am not DVP.
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Roy can quibble over "investigation" or "reinvestigation", but he displays an
acute lack of imagination about Mary Sherman, M.D., whose murder, we may
presume, was motivated my powerful reasons. An hypothesis that is worth
considering is that she was troubled by what had taken place, including the
murder of Lee Harvey Oswald, whom she knew
Whats your proof for this?
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Roy can quibble over "investigation" or "reinvestigation", but he displays an
acute lack of imagination about Mary Sherman, M.D., whose murder, we may
presume, was motivated my powerful reasons.
Why would you presume that?
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As many times as I have explained why Judyth's story is so important, it
grieves me that Monk and Jack are unable to acknowledge the elements:
(1) it humanizes the man the Warren Commission demonized as a "lone,
demented assassin"
But Dr. Fetzer, what if Judyths story is not true?
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BB said:How do you know? Barb quoted Judyths' own words that Judyth changed her story about aids and monkey virus and Fetzer completely scrambled what Barb said. It looks like he did'nt LISTEN at all.
It was probably the other way around. It can be frustrating having story laid upon story about what some claim Judyth said that caused her 'story to change' v what Judyth actually said in context and later explained more fully or <gasp> even used different words.
But Barb J showed us Judyth's exact words saying 3 different things in exactly the same context:
Version 1: Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "The serum in which the cancer cells were placed included a virus that knocks out the immune system, thus enhancing the strength of the already powerful cancer cells. This material -- scraped from the kidney's [sic] of sick monkeys -- was, in fact, the AIDS virus."
Version 2: Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance," alternate draft provided to Robert Vernon, posted by Vernon at alt.assassination.jfk, August 30, 2004: "The serum in which the cancer cells were placed included a virus that knocks out the immune system, thus enhancing the strength of the already powerful cancer cells. This material -- scraped from the kidney's [sic] of sick monkeys -- was, in fact, the PRECURSOR OF THE AIDS virus.
Version 3: Rene Zwaap, "An American Hero," De Groene Amsterdammer, June 21, 2003 (based on an interview with Judyth Vary Baker), automated translation, posted by John McAdams to alt.assassination.jfk, July 8. 2003: "[Oswald] got a hurry course over it go around with the transport of living cancer cells, that in a special chemical liquid living could become hold. By that technique was worked with SV-40, material that were pulled from the kidneys [of monkeys], that also became uses by the development of the polio vaccine. The target of the operation was Castro with it to infect. He stood known as a lover of cigars and nobody will it thus strangely of look up as he lung cancer would get."
Is sv40 the same as aids? I did a google seacrch and it looks like the answer is NO
You seem unaware that "Deadly Alliance" was purloined. Anything coming from it is open to question and those using it to 'quote Judyth' are just adding to the problem. So, this remains a strawman. Judyth's authorized book should provide the explanation that can be used as reference.
Your saying the docs are altered?
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BB said:How do you know? Barb quoted Judyths' own words that Judyth changed her story about aids and monkey virus and Fetzer completely scrambled what Barb said. It looks like he did'nt LISTEN at all.
It was probably the other way around. It can be frustrating having story laid upon story about what some claim Judyth said that caused her 'story to change' v what Judyth actually said in context and later explained more fully or <gasp> even used different words.
But Barb J showed us Judyth's exact words saying 3 different things in exactly the same context:
Version 1: Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance: Outline of the Conspiracy": "The serum in which the cancer cells were placed included a virus that knocks out the immune system, thus enhancing the strength of the already powerful cancer cells. This material -- scraped from the kidney's [sic] of sick monkeys -- was, in fact, the AIDS virus."
Version 2: Judyth Vary Baker with Howard Platzman, Ph.D, "Deadly Alliance," alternate draft provided to Robert Vernon, posted by Vernon at alt.assassination.jfk, August 30, 2004: "The serum in which the cancer cells were placed included a virus that knocks out the immune system, thus enhancing the strength of the already powerful cancer cells. This material -- scraped from the kidney's [sic] of sick monkeys -- was, in fact, the PRECURSOR OF THE AIDS virus.
Version 3: Rene Zwaap, "An American Hero," De Groene Amsterdammer, June 21, 2003 (based on an interview with Judyth Vary Baker), automated translation, posted by John McAdams to alt.assassination.jfk, July 8. 2003: "[Oswald] got a hurry course over it go around with the transport of living cancer cells, that in a special chemical liquid living could become hold. By that technique was worked with SV-40, material that were pulled from the kidneys [of monkeys], that also became uses by the development of the polio vaccine. The target of the operation was Castro with it to infect. He stood known as a lover of cigars and nobody will it thus strangely of look up as he lung cancer would get."
Is sv40 the same as aids? I did a google seacrch and it looks like the answer is NO
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David, I have addressed this question many times during the thread. (1) It humanizes Oswald and makes very implausible that he was a "lone, demented assassin"; (2) it exposes the covert project to develop a bio-weapon to kill people and make it look "natural"; moreover, (3) it leads back to the mandated inoculation of some 100,000,000 Americans with a polio virus that was contaminated with a cancer-causing virus.
What does polio have to do with Judyth?
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David, I have addressed this question many times during the thread. (1) It humanizes Oswald and makes very implausible that he was a "lone, demented assassin"; (2) it exposes the covert project to develop a bio-weapon to kill people and make it look "natural";
How do you know this bio-weapons project was real?
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David, I have addressed this question many times during the thread. (1) It humanizes Oswald
What if her stories not true?
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And, as I read the situation, the key player in developing a rapid-growing
cancer bioweapon would have been Alton Ochsner. I think you are missing
that, for him, it was convenient to do this in his backyard, New Orleans, as
opposed to any other location. This is very sophisticated stuff and, by luring
Judyth to New Orleans, where Mary Sherman was in residence, he could do
what needed to be done in the way of a secret project without leaving home!
What is the proof that Ochnser "lured" Judyth?
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SR says:Thanks, Michael. I keep hoping that some - especially Fetzer - will start LISTENING to what others have to say, to seriously answer our questions without resorting to dismissal and avoidance, but it's beginning to look very unlikely.
Roy might want to take his own advice.
Why not at the very least acknowledge that Jim Fetzer listens to everything that is being said here
How do you know? Barb quoted Judyths' own words that Judyth changed her story about aids and monkey virus and Fetzer completely scrambled what Barb said. It looks like he did'nt LISTEN at all.
What about you? did you LISTEN? why did Judyth change her story?
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JIM MAKES ONE MORE EFFORT TO CONNECT WITH JACK (BUT IT APPEARS HOPELESS)
Why don't you respond to the questions I have raised about your gross misrepresentations
of Ed Haslam's book? How many times do I have to explain (1) that her story humanizes
the "lone, demented gunman", (2) that it exposes a secret bioweapons project and (3) that
it leads back to the polio vaccine scandal, which involved the mandated inoculation of some
100,000,000 young children and appears to have precipitated the epidemic of soft tissue
cancer that is taking place today. George Noory called it perhaps "the greatest scandal in
the history of the nation". (2) appears to have been #1 in the CIA's list of "family jewels",
the one that was redacted. If you don't understand what is going on any better than you
indicate, then you ought to be doing something else with your copious free time. Michael
Hogan even makes up the claim that I suggested DR. MARY'S MONKEY would prove that
she and Lee were "lovers", which is a nice piece of fantasy, and Junkkarinen displays no
interest in whether Oswald autopsy photographs have been faked (which is not the same
as the question of circumcision, which is not the primary issue that concerns me). It is all
too clear that this thread is disintegrating beyond repair. Please acknowledge to everyone
that you were mistaken about evidence of the present of the particle accelerator and that
you were completely wrong about Mary Sherman's death, which cannot have occurred at
her apartment as you had previously claimed, and that if you had only read DR. MARY'S
MONKEY months ago, you could have spared this thread 50 to 100 pointless posts. This
must be at least the fifth time I have explained to you why her story matters. Could you
kindly admit that now you understand why it matters? And stop making up fantasies to
explain my commitment to Judyth. I and Nigel Turner and Ed Haslam and Wim Dankbaar
and Howard Platzman and Dean Hartwell believe in her because she appear to us to be
telling the truth and there is a great deal of evidence to support her, including witnesses
like Kathy Santi and Anna Lewis, documentary records like "the disappearing witness"
Now were getting somewhere! Please tell us more.
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JIM MAKES ONE MORE EFFORT TO CONNECT WITH JACK (BUT IT APPEARS HOPELESS)
Why don't you respond to the questions I have raised about your gross misrepresentations
of Ed Haslam's book? How many times do I have to explain (1) that her story humanizes
the "lone, demented gunman", (2) that it exposes a secret bioweapons project and (3) that
it leads back to the polio vaccine scandal
How?
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JIM MAKES ONE MORE EFFORT TO CONNECT WITH JACK (BUT IT APPEARS HOPELESS)
Why don't you respond to the questions I have raised about your gross misrepresentations
of Ed Haslam's book? How many times do I have to explain (1) that her story humanizes
the "lone, demented gunman", (2) that it exposes a secret bioweapons project
Wheres the proof?
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JIM MAKES ONE MORE EFFORT TO CONNECT WITH JACK (BUT IT APPEARS HOPELESS)
Why don't you respond to the questions I have raised about your gross misrepresentations
of Ed Haslam's book? How many times do I have to explain (1) that her story humanizes
the "lone, demented gunman",
What if its not true?
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SOME FURTHER REFLECTIONS ABOUT JUDYTH FROM MY PSY OPS EXPERT
NOTE: Given that I have tried to end this thread, I should have anticipated a blizzard of parting
shots, where I anticipate replying more when I am back in touch with Judyth. I am working on
proof that some of these autopsy photos have been faked. I ask anyone who may have copies
to please send them to me. I need to find another copy of a specific autopsy photograph that I
have but am unable to locate. I have asked Jack and some others to provide assistance, where
I will post my findings when I have marshaled the evidence. That it has happened, however, I
have no doubt. When Barb asks "Why in the world would anyone do that?", of course, it pains
me to hear it, since we both know only one person's credibility would thereby be cast into doubt.
I've received some further thoughts from my psy ops expert. Since so much of what appears
here is negative--in my opinion, without justification--I hope that no one is going to complain if
I post his positive review. I would also like to express my appreciate for some posts that came
from Lee Farley and from Todd Vaughan. It is reassuring that a few of those who are following
this thread are exercising some critical judgment, since most of you, in my view, are not. I am
concerned that I have not heard from Judyth since she departed from London on Tuesday, and
I will be relieved to know she is alive and well. My personal experiences with her, including our
collaboration on this thread, convince me beyond any doubt she is the person she claims to be.
FURTHER REFLECTIONS
Your work helping Judyth Vary present her story has generated a xxxxstorm among some whose research is not highly relevant or been shown to probably be down a rabbit hole to no-where. It is a hard landing for those who have spent so much time going in the wrong direction.
As I have said before, regardless of whether folks believe many of the individual details of Judyth's story, the proven presuppositions are important enough to take serious note:
1-Oswald was proven by docs to have been trained as a spy, and to use sex in his tradecraft, did so while stationed at Atsugi (maybe a training exercise, or pulled into a russian female honeypot as a precurser for later op in russia as a defector), got an STD, was treated for it, and was not punished as is typically the case.
2- Judyth was "lured" to New Orleans.
You guys say this over and over. Evidence please.
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There is more than enough evidence to establish
that Judyth was lured to New Orleans by Alton Ochsner
Please share this evidence with us!
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With the 50th anniversary of the JFK assassination fast approaching I think it's worth taking stock of what exactly we, as a research community, are doing and what we're trying to achieve. We could call ourselves concerned citizens, well wishing skepticists, history enthusiasts, or a host of other titles, but we probably couldn't call ourselves organised. That is not to say that we haven't accomplished a lot since the assassination both in terms of published work and influencing public opinion with research, but lately we haven't had a goal or a plan of action. I feel that we must realise that time is running out for us to get an kind of closure in this case. Easy for me to say, but what exactly is closure in a case like this? To be honest, I don't know. We seem to have a hell of a lot of evidence but we can't ellicit any reaction from the deep political powers of the state.
Perhaps we need to set ourselves a target for 2013. As I see it, we have a few options that could, in part, or on their own provide some kind of conclusion but not conviction for this crime and all subsequent actions committed in the name of the 'cover-up'.
These options include
-Pushing for full implementation of the JFK records act
-Pushing, as Bill Kelly has suggested, for a grand jury to be convened
-A new 'rosetta stone' book to blow everything out of the air (It could be contended that we've already had one or two of these books)
-We've already had a few second hand stories of CIA confessions (Morales, Hunt, Phillips), maybe we're waiting for another one. This isn't really an option as it includes no activity.
-Using the 50th anniversary to whip up a public debate on the assassination and to try to convince the majority of people that the evidence of conspiracy is overwhelming, thus winning the battle for minds. This would raise another question, is this closure?
These are some of the options that I can see. I'm interested to hear others' opinions on what our course of action should be in the coming years. Are we trying to solve this in a legal sense or prove to average citizens that the official story is definitively debunked?
What next?
Ex-humation?
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Your sure the censorship has nothing to do with it?