Jim Porter

Here is Eva Cassidy, she died in her early 30s from cancer before she gained fame. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW97ydJo1zo...ted&search=

I looked up and was unable to see one person in the windows. i just don't see how anyone could have made an ID on a person!

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I believe the difference is that witnesses like Rowland were describing people at open windows.

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My point is this... if the bottom half of the window were open and a man was standing erect you would only see up to his waist, the reflection of the sun would obstruct viewing his upper body. In the picture of the black men on the 5th floor, those guys are looking out the window, in order to do that they were on their knees are sitting on boxes. Could you believe that you could guess their weight, height and age? A guess, at best. If they stood and stept back a foot are two you would have never seen them from Elm and Houston. I just find Howard Leslie Brennan's description suspect and DPD used his description to put out an APB. I have never found how many people were arrested in dealey Plaza, fitting that description. I'm sure there were many.

I would like to start a new thread re the witnesses to the window shooters so a lot of the information can be gathered in one place.  We have previously discussed the likelihood that Hemming was correct that some shots came from the west window of the sixth floor of the TSBD.

I am first going to discuss people who claimed they saw a shooter in the west window of the sixth floor.  Most Forum members are familiar with the testimony of Arnold and Barbara Rowland:

At 12:15 pm, Arnold and Barbara Rowland, two teenage newlyweds, were

standing across the street from the Texas School Book Depository awaiting

the motorcade. He was certain of the time because "12:15" was displayed

on the large Hertz sign on top of the Book Depository. He nudged his wife

and asked her if she wanted to see a Secret Service agent. He pointed to

the westernmost (far left) window on the sixth floor of the Book

Depository, where a dark-haired man in an open-necked, plain white shirt

was staring at the street; the man was holding a rifle with a large

telescopic sight. Barbara Rowland turned to look but was distracted; by

the time she looked back the man was gone (6).

The man with the rifle was standing at "port arms" or "parade rest," with

the rifle held at a forty-five degree angle pointed downward across his

body. He appeared "tall and slender in build in proportion with his

width," maybe 140 or 150 lbs. Rowland noted his somewhat dark complexion,

and said he could have been either Caucasian or "light Latin," possibly

in his thirties. He had dark hair, closely cut, and wore a very

light-colored shirt with an open collar, and a white T-shirt underneath.

He stood a short distance back from the window. The rifle appeared to be

a "fairly high-powered rifle," possibly a ".30 size six rifle" (7).Rowland noted that the man seemed to have a partner, an elderly black man

who was standing in the easternmost (far right) window (the alleged

"Oswald" window); the second man did not have a rifle. At one point he

noticed the men "walking back and forth." Later Arnold Rowland would be

shown photographs of Lee Harvey Oswald; he wouldn't be able to identify

him as either one of the men he saw.

The above is from an article by Dave Reitzes called "Dealey Plaza Scenario".

Here is a link to Arnold Rowland's Warren Commission testimony:

http://www.jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/rowland-a.html/color]

And to his wife's testimony:

http://wwwjfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/rowland_barb.html

The Reitzes article also contains a reference to the Tom Dillard photo that may show a man in the westernmost window:

The photograph taken by Tom Dillard around fifteen seconds after the

shooting captured the upper part of the Book Depository's south side.

Photographic researcher Robert Groden has made a series of enlargements

of a number of the building's windows in this picture. He has identified

two men on the sixth floor. One can be indistinctly seen in the

westernmost window (among the farthest windows from the camera); he

appears to be a heavy-set white male with a receding hairline

Perhaps James can help post the Dillard photo.

Are there any other witnesses beside the Rowlands who stated they saw someone in the west window of the TSBD?

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I was working in Dallas two years ago and visited Dealey Plaza on a Sunday, it was a sunny day in Nov. I made sure I was at the plaza around the time of the assassination, standing at the reflecting pool on Elm and Houston St. I looked up at the school book depository. The sun was reflecting on the windows, I was unable to see anyone on the sixth floor Museum, also vision was impossiable on all floors which the windows were down. I paid my 12.00 and went up to the 6th floor museum, i observed the windows and found them to go from the ceiling to, almost the floor ( the sniper nest was plexi-glassed off ) In order to look out the window on the bottom half while open a person would be in a stooped position or on his knees. I observed all the people milling around the winows looking down at Elm St. I went back down to the reflecting pool on Elm and Houston, knowing there were people milling around the sixth floor windows, I looked up and was unable to see one person in the windows. i just don't see how anyone could have made an ID on a person!

I would like to start a new thread re the witnesses to the window shooters so a lot of the information can be gathered in one place.  We have previously discussed the likelihood that Hemming was correct that some shots came from the west window of the sixth floor of the TSBD.

I am first going to discuss people who claimed they saw a shooter in the west window of the sixth floor.  Most Forum members are familiar with the testimony of Arnold and Barbara Rowland:

At 12:15 pm, Arnold and Barbara Rowland, two teenage newlyweds, were

standing across the street from the Texas School Book Depository awaiting

the motorcade. He was certain of the time because "12:15" was displayed

on the large Hertz sign on top of the Book Depository. He nudged his wife

and asked her if she wanted to see a Secret Service agent. He pointed to

the westernmost (far left) window on the sixth floor of the Book

Depository, where a dark-haired man in an open-necked, plain white shirt

was staring at the street; the man was holding a rifle with a large

telescopic sight. Barbara Rowland turned to look but was distracted; by

the time she looked back the man was gone (6).

The man with the rifle was standing at "port arms" or "parade rest," with

the rifle held at a forty-five degree angle pointed downward across his

body. He appeared "tall and slender in build in proportion with his

width," maybe 140 or 150 lbs. Rowland noted his somewhat dark complexion,

and said he could have been either Caucasian or "light Latin," possibly

in his thirties. He had dark hair, closely cut, and wore a very

light-colored shirt with an open collar, and a white T-shirt underneath.

He stood a short distance back from the window. The rifle appeared to be

a "fairly high-powered rifle," possibly a ".30 size six rifle" (7).Rowland noted that the man seemed to have a partner, an elderly black man

who was standing in the easternmost (far right) window (the alleged

"Oswald" window); the second man did not have a rifle. At one point he

noticed the men "walking back and forth." Later Arnold Rowland would be

shown photographs of Lee Harvey Oswald; he wouldn't be able to identify

him as either one of the men he saw.

The above is from an article by Dave Reitzes called "Dealey Plaza Scenario".

Here is a link to Arnold Rowland's Warren Commission testimony:

http://www.jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/rowland-a.html/color]

And to his wife's testimony:

http://wwwjfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/rowland_barb.html

The Reitzes article also contains a reference to the Tom Dillard photo that may show a man in the westernmost window:

The photograph taken by Tom Dillard around fifteen seconds after the

shooting captured the upper part of the Book Depository's south side.

Photographic researcher Robert Groden has made a series of enlargements

of a number of the building's windows in this picture. He has identified

two men on the sixth floor. One can be indistinctly seen in the

westernmost window (among the farthest windows from the camera); he

appears to be a heavy-set white male with a receding hairline

Perhaps James can help post the Dillard photo.

Are there any other witnesses beside the Rowlands who stated they saw someone in the west window of the TSBD?

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I was working in Dallas two years ago and visited Dealey Plaza on a Sunday, it was a sunny day in Nov. I made sure I was at the plaza around the time of the assassination, standing at the reflecting pool on Elm and Houston St. I looked up at the school book depository. The sun was reflecting on the windows, I was unable to see anyone on the sixth floor Museum, also vision was impossiable on all floors which the windows were down. I paid my 12.00 and went up to the 6th floor museum, i observed the windows and found them to go from the ceiling to, almost the floor ( the sniper nest was plexi-glassed off ) In order to look out the window on the bottom half while open a person would be in a stooped position or on his knees. I observed all the people milling around the winows looking down at Elm St. I went back down to the reflecting pool on Elm and Houston, knowing there were people milling around the sixth floor windows, I looked up and was unable to see one person in the windows. i just don't see how anyone could have made an ID on a person!

My name is James P Porter, I'm retired from the US Navy. I joined the Navy in 1961 a year later I was off the coast of Cuba during the missle crises. I was young and not into politics at the time but felt that the election of Kennedy was moving the country in a different direction, what direction, I was unsure but felt it was in the positive. After the assassination I felt something was going on in Dallas, besides the lone nut conspiracy and started reading everything I could get my hands on. I've read just about every book written on the subject, listened to many hours of tapes and read every page and testimony in the Warren report. After 40 some years still don't know the ansewer but know that the political mood, foreign policies and political players of the time made conspiracy a believable theory. I think this forum would be very interesting to read thoughts of others on the subject.