The Far-Right Conspiracy against the NHS

[Guest]

Call your bluff and you fold. It's as simple as that.

Start calling.

[Peter McKenna]

Please try and have an original idea Terry. Or at least give us the source of your pastings

The source is contained in the by line of the news story. You might try reading a little more carefully. It will save time for both of us.

When you are pasting directly from other sources please make sure you provide the link. Quite why you want to paste directly from such other sources is another matter.

On your other point - You are of course quite within your rights to be fixated with this Larouche nazi character but repeating again and again the lies of your beloved leader and his assorted and bizarre right wing lickspittles about the Liverpool Pathway palliative care programme does not make those lies true.

You are indeed engaged in a 'far right conspiracy against the NHS'.

The chances of you seeing or understanding this this side of 10 years of intense therapy are I will concede remote.

Instead of your typical sophistry why don't you invite Education Forum member Tony Chaitkin to answer any questions you and other members might have? You've done this with Jim Hougan, Joan Mellon and others so why not have Tony here to answer questions?

As far as your repeated reference to "Nazi" leanings, you might look a little closer to home to find your "Nazi's". As I showed you Prince Phillip was up to his arse with the Nazi party. Where do you think Hitler got his ideas of eugenics, and euthanasia?

Terry,

Prince Philip left Germany, I believe in 1934, at the behest of his German Headmaster Kurt Hahn, who was an anti-Nazi, to enter public school in Scotland. Philip left public school in 1939 to join the Royal Navy (if my research is correct; http://www.britainexpress.com/royals/philip.htm).

How can you suggest that Hitler obtained his ideas of eugenics and euthanasia from Prince Philip, when Philip was still in prep school in 1939? As for being up to his arse in the Nazi party, it seems that was so for all of Britain in 1939, when war broke out. Where do you obtain your information associating Prince Philip with the Nazi party?

[Terry Mauro]

Call your bluff and you fold. It's as simple as that.

Start calling.

Okay lets try again.

Why don't you invite EF member Tony Chaitkin to debate the issue? Let's see if you have the courage

[Terry Mauro]

Please try and have an original idea Terry. Or at least give us the source of your pastings

The source is contained in the by line of the news story. You might try reading a little more carefully. It will save time for both of us.

When you are pasting directly from other sources please make sure you provide the link. Quite why you want to paste directly from such other sources is another matter.

On your other point - You are of course quite within your rights to be fixated with this Larouche nazi character but repeating again and again the lies of your beloved leader and his assorted and bizarre right wing lickspittles about the Liverpool Pathway palliative care programme does not make those lies true.

You are indeed engaged in a 'far right conspiracy against the NHS'.

The chances of you seeing or understanding this this side of 10 years of intense therapy are I will concede remote.

Instead of your typical sophistry why don't you invite Education Forum member Tony Chaitkin to answer any questions you and other members might have? You've done this with Jim Hougan, Joan Mellon and others so why not have Tony here to answer questions?

As far as your repeated reference to "Nazi" leanings, you might look a little closer to home to find your "Nazi's". As I showed you Prince Phillip was up to his arse with the Nazi party. Where do you think Hitler got his ideas of eugenics, and euthanasia?

Terry,

Prince Philip left Germany, I believe in 1934, at the behest of his German Headmaster Kurt Hahn, who was an anti-Nazi, to enter public school in Scotland. Philip left public school in 1939 to join the Royal Navy (if my research is correct; http://www.britainexpress.com/royals/philip.htm).

How can you suggest that Hitler obtained his ideas of eugenics and euthanasia from Prince Philip, when Philip was still in prep school in 1939? As for being up to his arse in the Nazi party, it seems that was so for all of Britain in 1939, when war broke out. Where do you obtain your information associating Prince Philip with the Nazi party?

I posted this the other day in this thread.

Prince Philip has broken a 60-year public silence about his family's links with the Nazis.

In a frank interview, he said they found Hitler's attempts to restore Germany's power and prestige 'attractive' and admitted they had 'inhibitions" about the Jews.

Philip was born Prince of Greece and Denmark on Corfu in 1921, the youngest of five children and the only son of Prince Andrew of Greece and Princess Alice of Battenberg. All four of his sisters married German princes and three - Sophie, Cecile and Margarita - became members of the Nazi party.

Sophia's husband, Prince Christoph of Hesse, became chief of Goering's secret intelligence service and they were frequent guests at Nazi functions

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-37...l#ixzz0SLiemBLT

I never meant to suggest the Nazi's got their eugenics, euthanasia program Prince Phillip. I was pointing out that Hitler was a puppet who got these ideas from the British oligarchy. The same faction in Britain that helped install Adolph Hitler in power in Germany.

[Len Colby]

Typical selective quoting. The same article said he (approximate quote) 'fought with distinction for Britain during WWII' when he was a little kid some of his relatives including his older sisters were pro-Nazi. By the time war started he wasn't. A curious footnote at best.

[Guest]

Call your bluff and you fold. It's as simple as that.

Start calling.

Okay lets try again.

Why don't you invite EF member Tony Chaitkin to debate the issue? Let's see if you have the courage

From your toadying aspect and grandiose expectations I presume this geezer is something big in the cult?

Here he is http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showuser=4739

He is more than welcome to join in. I'll send him an alert that his fan club want him to come to the rescue .

[Terry Mauro]

Typical selective quoting. The same article said he (approximate quote) 'fought with distinction for Britain during WWII' when he was a little kid some of his relatives including his older sisters were pro-Nazi. By the time war started he wasn't. A curious footnote at best.

I pasted the link to the story so it's available to read in it's entirety. Keep in mind this story broke as a result of a book "Royals and the Reich".

And you might try reading with more care. The article did not state the Prince's family were simply pro-Nazi. For example take this account of the family history.

Quote:

Philip was born Prince of Greece and Denmark on Corfu in 1921, the youngest of five children and the only son of Prince Andrew of Greece and Princess Alice of Battenberg. All four of his sisters married German princes and three - Sophie, Cecile and Margarita - became members of the Nazi party.

Sophia's husband, Prince Christoph of Hesse, became chief of Goering's secret intelligence service and they were frequent guests at Nazi functions

[Terry Mauro]

I wish I could find that weird christian fundy rant you "posted" from several years ago. I think it was posted in the Political Conspiracy section. If anyone had any doubt that you're a nut case then that old posting of yours ought to eliminate all doubt.

Low and behold I found the magic thread by DWD. Wacko!

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=7221

Since we're eliminating all doubt about nut cases, I'll concede my thread could be seen as a rant; but if you can identify anything "Christian fundamentalist" in that thread, I'll bear your children.

The mind of the author.

PS- There is no need for you to pay up on your bet.

[Guest]

Conspiracy theorist Lyndon LaRouche, leader of a fringe political cult that defies categorization, and his supporters have contributed to the divisiveness surrounding the public debate on health care reform by producing and disseminating materials comparing President Barack Obama and other government officials to Hitler, Nazis and fascists, and by attending Congressional "town hall" meeting and other events around the country.

LaRouche's organization is built upon a cadre of loyal supporters and publications that promote his conspiratorial world views. LaRouche, 86, has a long record of advancing conspiracy theories linking the AIDS crisis, the drug epidemic and international financial crises to prominent Jews and Jewish organizations. For many years, LaRouche has employed Holocaust imagery to express his opposition to a wide range of political issues.

Since May 2009, LaRouche and his network of supporters, many of which are part of the LaRouche Political Action Committee (LPAC), have focused on health care reform, producing signs, banners, pamphlets and other items that employ Nazi imagery, including the Hitler comparisons.

In a May 4, 2009, LPAC statement, LaRouche described the Obama administration's health care proposals as "Nazi stuff…We're looking for what is the difference between President Obama and Hitler on health policy. We've done a lot of research, and we've not yet been able to discover the difference."

In his publication, Executive Intelligence Review, and on his Web site, LaRouche consistently refers to the reform proposals as "Hitlerian" and "genocidal" and almost exclusively refers to the proposal as a "Nazi health plan." In August, LaRouche said Obama is "impeachable" because his health care proposal is based on "cost-effectiveness criteria--exactly the infamous 'T-4' policy imposed by Adolf Hitler in 1939."

LaRouche spokesperson Nancy Spannaus said LaRouche and his organization "have declared war against Obama's so-called health care reform because it is a direct copy of the policy Hitler declared in October 1939, when Hitler issued the order for euthanasia against those determined, by a board of medical experts, to have 'lives unworthy to be lived.'"

"Our Obama mustache poster," Spannaus said, "symbolizes the fact that the president is attempting to implement a Hitler health care policy…At any town hall, you'll know LaRouche people are there if you just look for the mustache."

LPAC members have promoted these offensive materials at many public forums around the country. For example:

August 25, 2009 – LaRouche supporters set up a booth featuring signs comparing Obama to Hitler outside a Congressional town hall meeting in Reston, Virginia.

August 25, 2009 – A LaRouche supporter held a large sign of Obama with a Hitler mustache at a Congressional town hall meeting in Tacoma, Washington.

August 25, 2009 – A LaRouche organizer interviewed outside a town hall meeting in Springfield, Virginia, said that she was there to protest health care reform because "it's the matter of stopping this, this fascist Nazi health bill."

August 17, 2009 – A woman identified by the LPAC Web site as a member of the LaRouche Youth Movement held up a picture of Obama with a Hitler mustache at a town meeting in Dartmouth, Massachusetts, and asked Congressman Barney Frank, "Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy?"

August 17, 2009 – LaRouche supporters held signs of Obama with a Hitler mustache outside a Congressional town hall meeting in Dallas, Texas.

August 6, 2009 – LaRouche supporters protested a town meeting in Romulus, Michigan, holding up a poster of Obama with a Hitler mustache. The several hundred attendees of the meeting, according to an EIR article, went "wild with approval" at the sight of the sign.

June 16, 2009 – LPAC members held up a large banner on the street in Chicago, Illinois, with a picture of Obama wearing a Hitler mustache and the words, "Is this your President? Ask your local health care provider."

June 12, 2009 – LPAC members went to a town meeting led by Obama in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and circulated a pamphlet titled "Stop Obama's Nazi Health Plan!"

June 4, 2009 – LPAC member Alan Egre went to a town meeting in Detroit, Michigan, and carried a poster of Obama with a Hitler mustache and the slogan, "Is this your president?" According to the LaRouche's Executive Intelligence Review, Egre was arrested but was released after 2 hours. LaRouche responded: "This is a real civil rights case. The President of the United States is recommending the same policy as Hitler on health care, and the Detroit police are trying to prevent the truth from being told…Why is a Michigan law enforcement official supporting fascism?"

In addition to attending public forums, LaRouche supporters have brought their anti-health care reform message to university and college campuses. Signs by LaRouche supporters featuring Obama with a Hitler mustache and other Holocaust references condemning Obama's health care plan have appeared at several campuses around the country.

In early September, members of LPAC held signs that read, "LaRouche: Stop Obama's Nazi Health Plan!" at Temple University. A leaflet the group distributed featured a picture with the words, "Kill the HMO's before Obama let's them kill you!" LaRouche supporters have also appeared at the University of Washington, California State Fullerton and California State University, Northridge (CSUN). At CSUN, LPAC members who are not students at the university set up a table condemning the health care plan during the university's Greek Week.

LaRouche supporters have also set up tables with similar information outside several Motor Vehicle Administration offices in Maryland. LaRouche tables have appeared in public areas and outside shopping centers in New York City, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Ventura, California, and elsewhere.

LaRouche's Executive Intelligence Review has been particularly caustic in its criticism of Obama and the administration's health care proposal. For example:

August 28, 2009 – An article charges that Obama is suffering from an "August meltdown" because of opposition to the administration's health care proposals. "LaRouche's intervention, exposing the Nazi nature of the Obama health-care reform initiative…catalyzed what has become a mass movement, with the LPAC poster of Obama sporting a Hitler mustache having become its most identifiable symbol."

July 31, 2009 – LaRouche described Obama as "unstable" and alleged that the administration's approach to health care is characterized by a "Nazi mentality" because of its disregard for human life and its willingness to use "force, not reason, to work one's will." LaRouche went so far as to argue that the difference between Obama and Hitler is that only Obama is willing to pursue his "fascist assault" in public.

June 26, 2009 – An article arguing that Obama is not doing enough to protect Americans from swine flu notes, "Indeed, the Obama health-care 'reform' plan, while gutting everything that President Franklin D. Roosevelt stood for, is totally in line with Britain's Prince Philip and Prince Charles, who preach Malthusian genocide, and would welcome a biological holocaust that would wipe out 80% of the human race."

June 12, 2009 – The issue's front cover contains the title of the feature article: "Evidence for a new Nuremberg: Obama's Nazi Health Plan" with a black and white picture of the 1945-46 Nuremberg trials. Another article in the issue contains the allegation that "The President is fully guilty of a policy of genocide," and that provisions of the health care will pay for "euthanasia" but not health care and has "euphemisms" just like a Nazi Germany euthanasia program.

May 22, 2009 – In an article titled, "Obama has Revived Hitler's Genocide Program," LaRouche says, "The Hitler program has been revived by the Obama Administration. This is straight Nazi stuff. It's not a quibble; it's not an interpretation. This is a direct copy of the philosophy of the Nazis…People who condone this are criminals, because they either knew, or should have known, what they are doing." The issue also contains an article describing doctors and administration officials that have worked on the health care reform proposal as "Nazi doctors."

May 14, 2009 – LaRouche charged that Obama would defend not providing care to the elderly or terminally ill and that Obama had to "have been brainwashed" by his advisors. An article by one of the EIR editors alleges that the health care proposal was developed by Jack Kevorkian. The issue also contained an editorial piece titled "Stop Nazi Health Care!"

LPAC takes credit for injecting Holocaust rhetoric into the health care debate. An August 7 press release claims that the opposition to health care reform is "informed by the aggressive campaign which LaRouche PAC has been waging" and that the group's "aggressive exposé of the Nazi T4 program, which is the model for Obama's health 'reform,'" is now also being used by other health care reform opponents. In another press release issued on August 12, LPAC affirms that they are now escalating their "interventions into the town meetings" in order to protest the "Nazi health plan" and to promote LaRouche's alternative proposals for solving the financial crisis.

LaRouche and his supporters, who have employed Holocaust imagery to express opposition to various issues over many years, are not solely responsible for the widespread use of Holocaust imagery to condemn health care reform proposals.

These comparisons have appeared from a variety of sources. In March 2009, for example, the Traditional Values Coalition, a relatively marginal Christian conservative group based in Anaheim, California, posted to its web site a picture of Obama dressed as a Nazi, substituting his campaign logo for the swastika. As far back as May 2008, numerous YouTube videos and other online media featured such images.

[Terry Mauro]

Conspiracy theorist Lyndon LaRouche, leader of a fringe political cult that defies categorization, and his supporters have contributed to the divisiveness surrounding the public debate on health care reform by producing and disseminating materials comparing President Barack Obama and other government officials to Hitler, Nazis and fascists, and by attending Congressional "town hall" meeting and other events around the country.

LaRouche's organization is built upon a cadre of loyal supporters and publications that promote his conspiratorial world views. LaRouche, 86, has a long record of advancing conspiracy theories linking the AIDS crisis, the drug epidemic and international financial crises to prominent Jews and Jewish organizations. For many years, LaRouche has employed Holocaust imagery to express his opposition to a wide range of political issues.

Since May 2009, LaRouche and his network of supporters, many of which are part of the LaRouche Political Action Committee (LPAC), have focused on health care reform, producing signs, banners, pamphlets and other items that employ Nazi imagery, including the Hitler comparisons.

In a May 4, 2009, LPAC statement, LaRouche described the Obama administration's health care proposals as "Nazi stuff…We're looking for what is the difference between President Obama and Hitler on health policy. We've done a lot of research, and we've not yet been able to discover the difference."

In his publication, Executive Intelligence Review, and on his Web site, LaRouche consistently refers to the reform proposals as "Hitlerian" and "genocidal" and almost exclusively refers to the proposal as a "Nazi health plan." In August, LaRouche said Obama is "impeachable" because his health care proposal is based on "cost-effectiveness criteria--exactly the infamous 'T-4' policy imposed by Adolf Hitler in 1939."

LaRouche spokesperson Nancy Spannaus said LaRouche and his organization "have declared war against Obama's so-called health care reform because it is a direct copy of the policy Hitler declared in October 1939, when Hitler issued the order for euthanasia against those determined, by a board of medical experts, to have 'lives unworthy to be lived.'"

"Our Obama mustache poster," Spannaus said, "symbolizes the fact that the president is attempting to implement a Hitler health care policy…At any town hall, you'll know LaRouche people are there if you just look for the mustache."

LPAC members have promoted these offensive materials at many public forums around the country. For example:

August 25, 2009 – LaRouche supporters set up a booth featuring signs comparing Obama to Hitler outside a Congressional town hall meeting in Reston, Virginia.

August 25, 2009 – A LaRouche supporter held a large sign of Obama with a Hitler mustache at a Congressional town hall meeting in Tacoma, Washington.

August 25, 2009 – A LaRouche organizer interviewed outside a town hall meeting in Springfield, Virginia, said that she was there to protest health care reform because "it's the matter of stopping this, this fascist Nazi health bill."

August 17, 2009 – A woman identified by the LPAC Web site as a member of the LaRouche Youth Movement held up a picture of Obama with a Hitler mustache at a town meeting in Dartmouth, Massachusetts, and asked Congressman Barney Frank, "Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy?"

August 17, 2009 – LaRouche supporters held signs of Obama with a Hitler mustache outside a Congressional town hall meeting in Dallas, Texas.

August 6, 2009 – LaRouche supporters protested a town meeting in Romulus, Michigan, holding up a poster of Obama with a Hitler mustache. The several hundred attendees of the meeting, according to an EIR article, went "wild with approval" at the sight of the sign.

June 16, 2009 – LPAC members held up a large banner on the street in Chicago, Illinois, with a picture of Obama wearing a Hitler mustache and the words, "Is this your President? Ask your local health care provider."

June 12, 2009 – LPAC members went to a town meeting led by Obama in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and circulated a pamphlet titled "Stop Obama's Nazi Health Plan!"

June 4, 2009 – LPAC member Alan Egre went to a town meeting in Detroit, Michigan, and carried a poster of Obama with a Hitler mustache and the slogan, "Is this your president?" According to the LaRouche's Executive Intelligence Review, Egre was arrested but was released after 2 hours. LaRouche responded: "This is a real civil rights case. The President of the United States is recommending the same policy as Hitler on health care, and the Detroit police are trying to prevent the truth from being told…Why is a Michigan law enforcement official supporting fascism?"

In addition to attending public forums, LaRouche supporters have brought their anti-health care reform message to university and college campuses. Signs by LaRouche supporters featuring Obama with a Hitler mustache and other Holocaust references condemning Obama's health care plan have appeared at several campuses around the country.

In early September, members of LPAC held signs that read, "LaRouche: Stop Obama's Nazi Health Plan!" at Temple University. A leaflet the group distributed featured a picture with the words, "Kill the HMO's before Obama let's them kill you!" LaRouche supporters have also appeared at the University of Washington, California State Fullerton and California State University, Northridge (CSUN). At CSUN, LPAC members who are not students at the university set up a table condemning the health care plan during the university's Greek Week.

LaRouche supporters have also set up tables with similar information outside several Motor Vehicle Administration offices in Maryland. LaRouche tables have appeared in public areas and outside shopping centers in New York City, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Ventura, California, and elsewhere.

LaRouche's Executive Intelligence Review has been particularly caustic in its criticism of Obama and the administration's health care proposal. For example:

August 28, 2009 – An article charges that Obama is suffering from an "August meltdown" because of opposition to the administration's health care proposals. "LaRouche's intervention, exposing the Nazi nature of the Obama health-care reform initiative…catalyzed what has become a mass movement, with the LPAC poster of Obama sporting a Hitler mustache having become its most identifiable symbol."

July 31, 2009 – LaRouche described Obama as "unstable" and alleged that the administration's approach to health care is characterized by a "Nazi mentality" because of its disregard for human life and its willingness to use "force, not reason, to work one's will." LaRouche went so far as to argue that the difference between Obama and Hitler is that only Obama is willing to pursue his "fascist assault" in public.

June 26, 2009 – An article arguing that Obama is not doing enough to protect Americans from swine flu notes, "Indeed, the Obama health-care 'reform' plan, while gutting everything that President Franklin D. Roosevelt stood for, is totally in line with Britain's Prince Philip and Prince Charles, who preach Malthusian genocide, and would welcome a biological holocaust that would wipe out 80% of the human race."

June 12, 2009 – The issue's front cover contains the title of the feature article: "Evidence for a new Nuremberg: Obama's Nazi Health Plan" with a black and white picture of the 1945-46 Nuremberg trials. Another article in the issue contains the allegation that "The President is fully guilty of a policy of genocide," and that provisions of the health care will pay for "euthanasia" but not health care and has "euphemisms" just like a Nazi Germany euthanasia program.

May 22, 2009 – In an article titled, "Obama has Revived Hitler's Genocide Program," LaRouche says, "The Hitler program has been revived by the Obama Administration. This is straight Nazi stuff. It's not a quibble; it's not an interpretation. This is a direct copy of the philosophy of the Nazis…People who condone this are criminals, because they either knew, or should have known, what they are doing." The issue also contains an article describing doctors and administration officials that have worked on the health care reform proposal as "Nazi doctors."

May 14, 2009 – LaRouche charged that Obama would defend not providing care to the elderly or terminally ill and that Obama had to "have been brainwashed" by his advisors. An article by one of the EIR editors alleges that the health care proposal was developed by Jack Kevorkian. The issue also contained an editorial piece titled "Stop Nazi Health Care!"

LPAC takes credit for injecting Holocaust rhetoric into the health care debate. An August 7 press release claims that the opposition to health care reform is "informed by the aggressive campaign which LaRouche PAC has been waging" and that the group's "aggressive exposé of the Nazi T4 program, which is the model for Obama's health 'reform,'" is now also being used by other health care reform opponents. In another press release issued on August 12, LPAC affirms that they are now escalating their "interventions into the town meetings" in order to protest the "Nazi health plan" and to promote LaRouche's alternative proposals for solving the financial crisis.

LaRouche and his supporters, who have employed Holocaust imagery to express opposition to various issues over many years, are not solely responsible for the widespread use of Holocaust imagery to condemn health care reform proposals.

These comparisons have appeared from a variety of sources. In March 2009, for example, the Traditional Values Coalition, a relatively marginal Christian conservative group based in Anaheim, California, posted to its web site a picture of Obama dressed as a Nazi, substituting his campaign logo for the swastika. As far back as May 2008, numerous YouTube videos and other online media featured such images.

So this is your way of admitting you want no part of Tony Chaitkin? I guess you're not interested in learning more about his investigation into the euthanasia policy being pushed the British Royal Family?

You just folded your cards Mr. Educator.

[Guest]

So this is your way of admitting you want no part of Tony Chaitkin? I guess you're not interested in learning more about his investigation into the euthanasia policy being pushed the British Royal Family?

You just folded your cards Mr. Educator.

Listen nut case - we'll have the 'Reverend Moon' (Larouche) himself - it's open house.

It's a genuine shame that you have taken up with such a disturbingly right wing cult but so long as you are communicating with sane people you have at least half a chance - (now that's what I call a commitment to education). From now on I insist that you refer to me as 'Mr Educator.'

[Terry Mauro]

So this is your way of admitting you want no part of Tony Chaitkin? I guess you're not interested in learning more about his investigation into the euthanasia policy being pushed the British Royal Family?

You just folded your cards Mr. Educator.

Listen nut case - we'll have the 'Reverend Moon' (Larouche) himself - it's open house.

It's a genuine shame that you have taken up with such a disturbingly right wing cult but so long as you are communicating with sane people you have at least half a chance - (now that's what I call a commitment to education). From now on I insist that you refer to me as 'Mr Educator.'

How many ways can you think of to back out? Let's have a real debate on this issue, featuring Tony Chaitkin and his work on "euthanasia" and the "Royal Family". Lets do it just the way you have done it in the past with various authors of relatively meaningless and flawed conspiracy books.

In the meantime allow me to post a link to Tony Chaitkins interview.

http://www.larouchepac.com/lpactv

[Len Colby]

Typical selective quoting. The same article said he (approximate quote) 'fought with distinction for Britain during WWII' when he was a little kid some of his relatives including his older sisters were pro-Nazi. By the time war started he wasn't. A curious footnote at best.

I pasted the link to the story so it's available to read in it's entirety. Keep in mind this story broke as a result of a book "Royals and the Reich".

And you might try reading with more care. The article did not state the Prince's family were simply pro-Nazi. For example take this account of the family history.

Quote:

Philip was born Prince of Greece and Denmark on Corfu in 1921, the youngest of five children and the only son of Prince Andrew of Greece and Princess Alice of Battenberg. All four of his sisters married German princes and three - Sophie, Cecile and Margarita - became members of the Nazi party.

Sophia's husband, Prince Christoph of Hesse, became chief of Goering's secret intelligence service and they were frequent guests at Nazi functions

Yes an interesting footnote, perhaps knowing this will enable members to win points in party games. Since you had already posted that a few times on this forum including in the post immediately before mine there was no need to repeat it your omission was more glaring. Do you have any siblings? Do you think it would be fair to hold you to task for their spouses are? Are you related to any of the Mauros in the Mafia? If so is that at all relevant to who you are?

[Terry Mauro]

Typical selective quoting. The same article said he (approximate quote) 'fought with distinction for Britain during WWII' when he was a little kid some of his relatives including his older sisters were pro-Nazi. By the time war started he wasn't. A curious footnote at best.

I pasted the link to the story so it's available to read in it's entirety. Keep in mind this story broke as a result of a book "Royals and the Reich".

And you might try reading with more care. The article did not state the Prince's family were simply pro-Nazi. For example take this account of the family history.

Quote:

Philip was born Prince of Greece and Denmark on Corfu in 1921, the youngest of five children and the only son of Prince Andrew of Greece and Princess Alice of Battenberg. All four of his sisters married German princes and three - Sophie, Cecile and Margarita - became members of the Nazi party.

Sophia's husband, Prince Christoph of Hesse, became chief of Goering's secret intelligence service and they were frequent guests at Nazi functions

Yes an interesting footnote, perhaps knowing this will enable members to win points in party games. Since you had already posted that a few times on this forum including in the post immediately before mine there was no need to repeat it your omission was more glaring. Do you have any siblings? Do you think it would be fair to hold you to task for their spouses are? Are you related to any of the Mauros in the Mafia? If so is that at all relevant to who you are?

You selectively quoted the article to make it appear that his siblings were simply sympathetic to the Nazi's. I thought that bit of sophistry should be cleared up, so those reading this thread would have the chance to know that Prince Phillips siblings were part of the Nazi party. Not simply sympathetic.

[Peter McKenna]

So this is your way of admitting you want no part of Tony Chaitkin? I guess you're not interested in learning more about his investigation into the euthanasia policy being pushed the British Royal Family?

You just folded your cards Mr. Educator.

Listen nut case - we'll have the 'Reverend Moon' (Larouche) himself - it's open house.

It's a genuine shame that you have taken up with such a disturbingly right wing cult but so long as you are communicating with sane people you have at least half a chance - (now that's what I call a commitment to education). From now on I insist that you refer to me as 'Mr Educator.'

How many ways can you think of to back out? Let's have a real debate on this issue, featuring Tony Chaitkin and his work on "euthanasia" and the "Royal Family". Lets do it just the way you have done it in the past with various authors of relatively meaningless and flawed conspiracy books.

In the meantime allow me to post a link to Tony Chaitkins interview.

http://www.larouchepac.com/lpactv

Insofar as Euthanasia is a topic of debate within the topic of Health Reform, exactly how does the issue resemble or otherwise embrace nazi policies of eugenics or euthanasia?

As far as I can tell, the proponents, not nessecarily joined at the hip with the NHS, argue to legalize doctor assisted suicide, rather than criminalizing the actual act of assisted suicide for someone who, for example, may be terminally ill and in agonizing pain. If this topic has been connected with public health care in the US it is an oblique and nearly impertinent connection.

Is the connection due to waiting lists for complex procedures or transplants which have troubled the British health programs? If so, I would say that there will be no public health system without logisitical problems, especially at the outset.

I personally have not decided whether the NHS as had been proposed should have been adopted in the US, however, the un-insured within the US most definitely need some kind of health care protection. The most important point is that there are millions of US children with inadequate healthcare, today. This is not what this country is about.

To propogandize/depict Obama as Hitler to further what can only be a political squabble over socializing health care is without question gutter politics. A proper approach wouold be to state the issue in clear language and the argument (or dialectic) in equally clear language. If the counter point has any merit, it should stand on its own merits. I vote for the Socratic not the propogandist method.

What a few relatives of the British Monarchy circa 1939 has to add to these issues is a waste of a reader's time.

Edited October 5, 2009 by Peter McKenna