David Von Pein

22 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

No one asks, for instance, what sense does it make for Oswald to shoot at a fascist type rightwing nut, but then shoot and kill the most liberal president since FDR? .... Plus he missed from close range at Walker, but performs a fantastic piece of marksmanship in the Kennedy case.

In order to keep the idea of a nonexistent conspiracy alive in the Walker and JFK shootings, James DiEugenio, as usual, will ignore the obvious and clear answers to the questions he posed above.

IOW --- Different day....same old worn-out CTer crap. Yawn.

4 hours ago, Alan Ford said:

Why is Officer Baker running straight in his direction?

Baker is running straight to the TSBD front entrance. We know this is true because.......

Baker told us this.

PLUS, we know Baker was inside the TSBD lunchroom within 2 minutes of the shots being fired.

Ergo, there is no time available for Baker to have made a side trip to visit "Mailbox Man" on the far east side of the Depository Building.

These are basic facts....regardless of THIS EXTREMELY SILLY THEORY promoted in years past by various CTers.

14 minutes ago, Alan Ford said:

It seems you are mistaking the stone-gridwork behind for a second head...

I see my mistake now. What I thought was a second man is really just the shadow of the only man there. His shadow (including the shadow of his moving left arm) is being cast on the facade of the Depository building behind him.

12 hours ago, Alan Ford said:

Mr. von Pein, I agree that what the Darnell film shows here is most curious indeed. Have you any explanation for it?

No, I don't. But I have no reason to think it's anything that would lead me down Conspiracy Avenue, however.

After staring at your looped clip many times in a row, it would seem to me that there are two people (men?) to the right (east) of the mailboxes [correction], and the guy on the left seems to be moving his left arm in some manner. I'm guessing that that is the man's ARM and not a paper bag as some EF members seem to believe it is.

And perhaps the man with the moving arm has something in his hand that is moving around too. Is that what you have determined is a "burning flag", Alan?

The motion the man seems to be making reminds me of someone stirring a big cauldron of soup. But that's not possible, because LHO told Buell Frazier he was going to buy his lunch that day. (And Lee has always hated soup anyway.) 🙂 😛

Anyhow, the clip is certainly not nearly clear enough to know for certain what's happening by the mailboxes at that moment.

Nice job at enhancing the image for the GIF clip, though.

On 1/29/2024 at 5:10 PM, Alan Ford said:

--------------Officer Baker is running toward a man holding a burning flag

And yet nobody noticed this or said a word about it later on??

A "flag" is going up in flames right next to dozens of witnesses outside the TSBD front door----and nobody sees it (except for Officer Baker, per your theory)??

That's quite curious, don't you think, Alan?

13 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

I for one do not see the resemblance.  Not even close.

I agree. Looks nothing like LHO.

1 hour ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Are you willing to regard JFK balling his fists in front of his throat and deducing it was in response to the throat shot?  No?  Why not?

There was no "throat shot" at all, of course. Because if there had been such a shot, at least one bullet (and probably two) would have been plucked from JFK's body at the autopsy. But no whole bullets were found in his body.

The "throat shot" is (and always has been) a fantasy invented by conspiracy theorists.

http://dvp-video-audio-archive.blogspot.com/2016/02/dionne-warwick.html

1 hour ago, Cory Santos said:

I still would like to know why they felt Oswald “needed” to be moved however.  I still fail to see any validity to it.   

Chief Curry explains here:

FYI / FWIW....

Here's a brief interview with Karen Carlin in 1964. AFAIK, this is the only known video footage of Carlin:

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2021/10/remarkable-assassination-painting.html

Here's another one for you to salivate over, Bob.

"Connally was hit in the head and wrist."

"President Kennedy was shot in the right temple."

Yep. Right on cue.

Thanks for being you, Robert!

I just picked out at random this Dayton paper from my newspaper collection. Let's see how many make-believe conspiracies and additional l-i-a-r-s Bob Morrow can find among these front-page articles. I'm sure he can find at least 2 or 3 more fantasy plots hidden in here somewhere. Good luck....

1 hour ago, Greg Doudna said:

...is it certain Brennan was Sawyer’s source[?]...

Some of my thoughts on the "Brennan/Sawyer" matter can be found HERE.

And here are some excerpts from Vincent Bugliosi's book pertaining to Brennan and Sawyer (click to enlarge)....

32 minutes ago, Robert Morrow said:

Officer Marrion Baker and Howard Brennan were both lying their asses off and going along with the already enacted "frame Oswald" gameplan.

Typical CTer mindset.

IOW -- The More L-i-a-r-s, The Better.

24 minutes ago, Greg Doudna said:

The question is how is it the DPD 12:44 broadcast EXACTLY matches to the inch and the pound the preexisting inaccurate written record on BOTH Oswald’s height and weight before his name was known as a suspect.

What is your answer to that question

Coincidence?

I assume that is your answer—but would you confirm that? 

Yes....it was coincidence. Without doubt (IMO).

It's a coincidence brought about by Howard Brennan's description of the assassin that he gave to the police (probably to J. Herbert Sawyer).

But maybe Bob Morrow thinks that Brennan was in cahoots with Marguerite on the "5-feet-10, 165 pounds" thing. After all, anything's possible in the bizarre conspiracy-flavored world inhabited by many CTers. 😛

4 hours ago, Greg Doudna said:

It cannot stem from a real description of Oswald from a witness because if so there would not be the exact agreement to the pound and to the inch with the mistaken Oswald physical description. 

Why on Earth can't it be a "real description" of the sixth-floor assassin??? Of course it was a "real description" of the assassin.

Here's a discussion I had with a couple of conspiracy believers in 2015 concerning this same (general) topic....

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

One of the many things that conspiracy theorists will always refuse to evaluate properly is the fact that Howard Brennan provided a description of the 6th-floor assassin on Day 1 (November 22) in his affidavit that generally fits Lee Oswald.

Even the age of the assassin Brennan saw fits perfectly with Marrion Baker's incorrect estimate of Lee Oswald's age -- about 30 -- which we know is wrong, but we also know that the man Baker described as being "approximately 30 years old" WAS Lee Harvey Oswald and not somebody who could have merely been confused with Oswald.

And then there are the "weight" estimates provided by Brennan and Baker in their individual affidavits, which also (just like the "age" estimate) blend together perfectly:

Baker said -- "165 pounds".

Brennan said -- "165 to 175 pounds".

And, just like Baker's estimate for Oswald's age, the weight estimate he provided in his affidavit is wrong, but we still know that Baker was estimating the weight of the real Lee Harvey Oswald when he wrote down "165 pounds" in his 11/22/63 affidavit.

Ergo, we know that it is, indeed, possible for a person to look right at Lee Harvey Oswald on November 22, 1963, and think he weighed as much as 165 pounds. Shouldn't this fact mean just a little something to CTers when they attempt to assess whether or not Howard Brennan could have possibly seen Oswald in the Sniper's Nest on that same day?

Do CTers think that Baker and Brennan got together and swapped information so that their affidavits would merge perfectly with respect to both the "age" and "weight" estimates?

A CONSPIRACY THEORIST KNOWN AS "NICKNAME" SAID:

Brennan's testimony does your case no good, unfortunately. He recalls seeing "a white man, early 30's, slender, weight about 165 to 175 pounds." As if that description doesn't fit 40 million people. Add that he was 120 feet away, staring at a figure six stories up. Could you positively ID someone from that distance? And even if it was Oswald he saw, that only proves that Oswald was ONE OF the shooters, not the only shooter.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

NickName,

Read my last post again, and place Brennan's 11/22 affidavit alongside Baker's 11/22 affidavit. Can't you see the similarities?

And, as I said, we know for an absolute irrefutable fact that Marrion Baker was describing Lee Harvey Oswald in that affidavit and nobody else on Earth. And yet he made the same TWO incorrect estimates that Howard Brennan also made -- age and weight.

And you surely aren't going to pull a DiEugenio on me and claim something silly like this (are you?)....

"Baker never saw Oswald. .... I believe the [Oswald/Baker/Truly] incident was created after the fact."    -- James DiEugenio; July 13-14, 2015

GARRY PUFFER SAID:

A guy who weighs 141 pounds would never be said to weigh 165.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Tell that to Marrion L. Baker of the Dallas Police Department, Garry....

"The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds." -- M.L. Baker; November 22, 1963

Let me guess, Garry --- Marrion Baker wasn't really describing the real Lee Harvey Oswald when he said the man he stopped at gunpoint in the Depository's second-floor lunchroom weighed "165 pounds", right? You think Baker was either lying or he was describing somebody besides Oswald (despite the fact Roy Truly, who was right there in the lunchroom with Baker during the encounter, confirmed it was Lee Oswald). Right?

Let's hear the CTers' lame, rip-roaring, half-baked excuse for totally dismissing these words written by Roy Truly on 11/23/63:

"The officer and I went through the shipping department to the freight elevator. We then started up the stairway. We hit the second floor landing, the officer stuck his head into the lunch room area where there are Coke and candy machines. Lee Oswald was in there. The officer had his gun on Oswald and asked me if he was an employee. I answered yes." -- Roy S. Truly; November 23, 1963

HANK SIENZANT SAID:

Great post, David.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Thanks, Hank.

I like to keep this "Assassination Arguments Part 1000" page handy whenever somebody tells me that it would have been utterly impossible for any witness to think Lee Oswald weighed as much as 165 pounds.

More here....

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/08/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1000.html

Here's a look at the TV shows that would have aired throughout the day on 11/22/63 (in central Indiana) if the assassination had not occurred (click for a bigger view):

4 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

I didn't do what you accuse me of, Dave. Do you not know what the word "apparently" means?

Kindly remove that remark. Otherwise I will report it.

10-4.

You did, indeed, use the word "apparently". My apologies to you for jumping the gun.

(Entire prior post deleted on 2-4-2024.)