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Jack the Ripper

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Stephen and Don

Just got back from offline. Will send comments soon. Great thread, people are reading it, I am sure, so don't get discouraged....so Clarence was a false trail, I thought so...more later

Shanet

<_<:tomatoes Shanet, Hi,

Dont be concerned about me becoming discouraged,I've chased

this case for the last 20 years( At times much to my wife's displeasure)

I joined this Forum because of the high standard of debate,around

the JFK case,very impressive! & I wished to subject my own research

in JTR, to the same level's of open debate.My next post's will be about

1,The "Kidney" letter to George Lusk.2,The "New Journalism" and the

Ripper case 3,The terrible death of Mary Jane Kelly 4,A psychological

examination of the killer/ killers.

I belive that even after nearly 120 years, certain elements of this most

perplexing case are solvable. We must let the evidence SPEAK.

Oh! by the way,it was'nt Lee Harvey Oswald. Thank's for your continued

interest.

Steve.

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THE "LUSK" LETTER.

At 5pm on the 16th of Oct 1888,George Lusk, Chairman of the

Whitechapel vigilance committee, received a letter and a small

cardboard box wrapped in brown paper. The letter was addressed

"From Hell" & read, "Mr Lusk Sor (sic), I send you half the kidne(sic)

I took from one woman prasarved (sic) it for you, tother(sic) piece

I fried and ate, it was very nise(sic) I may send you the bloody

knif(sic) that took it out if you wate(sic) a wile(sic) longer.

Signed Catch me when you can Mishter(sic) Lusk sor(sic)

The small box contained a Kidney!!!

This was examined by Dr Thomas Openshaw of the pathological

museum, London Hospital. Dr Openshaw belived that it was half

of a left human kidney,but could not say how long it had been

removed from the body, or whether it originally came from a

woman.

NEXT THE RIPPER & THE NEW JOURNALISM.

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THE "LUSK" LETTER.

At 5pm on the 16th of Oct 1888,George Lusk, Chairman of the

Whitechapel vigilance committee, received a letter and a small

cardboard box wrapped in brown paper. The letter was addressed

"From Hell" & read, "Mr Lusk Sor (sic), I send you half the kidne(sic)

I took from one woman prasarved (sic) it for you, tother(sic) piece

I fried and ate, it was very nise(sic) I may send you the bloody

knif(sic) that took it out if you wate(sic) a wile(sic) longer.

Signed Catch me when you can Mishter(sic) Lusk sor(sic)

The small box contained a Kidney!!!

This was examined by Dr Thomas Openshaw of the pathological

museum, London Hospital. Dr Openshaw belived that it was half

of a left human kidney,but could not say how long it had been

removed from the body, or whether it originally came from a

woman.

    NEXT THE RIPPER & THE NEW JOURNALISM.

<_<

Before I move on a quick question to members,(especially educators)

Do you notice anything strange about the spelling mistakes in the above

letter. Do they seem consistant to you? or perhaps how an educated

person imagines how an illiterate person spells?

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THE RIPPER & THE RISE OF "NEW JOURNALISM.

Victorian newspapers pace 1886, would be unrecognisable today. no

headlines or photographs, just row upon row of tightly spaced print.

They catered almost exclusively to the upper middle classes, and

centered upon Westminster politics,with very little Editorial comment.

Political speeches would often be reported word for word.

Newspapers then were not primarilycommercial, there owners often

cautious, well educated, wealthy men, who had little or no interest

in challenging the existing social order.

The father of "New Journalism" was, WT Stead, Editor of the radical

"Pall Mall Gazette". The key feature of New Journalism was not

sensation seeking,(although this approach was used unstintingly)

But commercialisation, it ran it's sensations as it ran everything else,

by the bottom line. As H. Harris Editor of the "Tatler" said "I always

aim my stories at 14 year olds,kissing,& fighting were all I cared for

at that age,& this is what the Public cares for & enjoys today.I say

never overestimate your customers,& watch circulation increase"

New Journalism,was a combination of,racier stories,shorter paragraphs

investigation,sensationalism,exageration,screaming headlines, a large

typeface & a gossipy style of reporting.(known today as"dumbing down")

But above all there was a desire not just to report the news, but to help

make it though Campaigns.

These "campaigns" were often started by reporters sending letters to

their own paper under a false name,demanding that something be done

about the latest scandel. As can be imagined "The Ripper was a Godsend

to this kind of muck-raking journalism. It was sensationalism,sex,hysteria,

murder & sentimentality all rolled into one, & circulations went through

the roof,& every time a letter was printed yet more readers were created.

Read those three letters again, are they not everything the press wanted

"Jack" to be,sly, cunning,taunting,aggresive, & above all the perfect name

JACK THE RIPPER, to perfect?

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"THIS WAS'NT THE WORK OF A MAN, BUT A DEVIL"( Thomas Bower )

THE TERRIBLE DEATH OF MARY JANE KELLY.

The youngest of the victims,at the time of her death Mary jane Kelly

was 25 years old and 5ft, 7ins tall she had long blond hair, blue eye's

& a fair complection.

THE MURDER.

8th Nov,7-30pm, Visited by Joe Barnett ex boyfreind.

11-45pm Seen by Mary Anne Cox, entering Dorset st with a man

Description"30-35 years old stout biuld moustache, long overcoat

hat, carrying a pail of beer. Mrs Cox belived Mary was "In her cups"

12-00pm Cox hears Kelly singing.

1-00am according to Cox Kelly still singing.

2-00am, George Hutchinson, a labourer,meets kelly at flower & Dean st

she asks him for a loan, but Hutchinson has no money.Kelly says "Well

I must find some money George, & go's off in the direction of Thrawl st,

where she meets a man.Hutchinson hears the pair laugh,then kelly say

"All right". The man reply's"You willbe alright for what I have said" They

then walk back passed Hutchinson to Millers Court.

Description, 5ft 6ins 35 years old, heavy moustache, dark eyes, dark complection

soft felt hat, long dark overcoat, black necktie with horseshoe pin, a

massive gold watch chain with red jewel encrustment.

Hutchinson waited for an hour (until 3-00am) but the man does not come

out from Kellys abode.

4-00am Elizabeth Prater living upstairs from Kelly, hears a cry of "Oh

murder" As this is a common occurance she does not investigate.

10-45am,Thomas bower, visits Kelly to try & get some long overdue

rent. On getting no reply he looks though the window & sees a sight that

will haunt him for the rest of his days. Kellys mutilated corpse lays on the

bed, & parts of her body decorate the room!!!

NEXT THE POST MORTEM OF MARY JANE KELLY.

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POST MORTEM OF MARY JANE KELLY.

PRESENT,Dr Phillips,Dr Bond & Dr Brown.

Date 10,Nov Time 9-45am.

FINDINGS.

The face had been cut in all directions & the nose, cheeks, eyebrows &

ears were partly removed. The lips were removed & several incisions

cut though the chin. The neck was cut though to the spinal column.

Both breasts were removed by rough circular incisions,& the skin &

tissues of the abdomen were removed in three large flaps. The right

thigh was cut to the bone,the left thigh had all skin flayed off with

musculature to the knee. the lower part of the right lung was ripped

& torn away. THE HEART HAD BEEN REMOVED & TAKEN FROM THE

CRIME SCENE.

NEXT OFFENDERS PROFILE OF JACK THE RIPPER

APPLYING 21st CENTURY TECHNIQUES TO THE CASE.

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Those of us out here are still reading! You were aking if education professionals would comment on the rippers handwriting. FWIW My mother taught Psy. at Hutchinson community J.C. and mentioned several times that it seemed an attempt to mimic a person with limited education.

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Those of us out here are still reading! You were aking if education professionals would comment on the rippers handwriting. FWIW My mother taught Psy. at Hutchinson community J.C. and mentioned several times that it seemed an attempt to mimic a person with limited education.

Mitchell.

I have not abandoned the project,just took a few days off to post

on the JFK threads,which was my initial reason for joining this forum.

Over the next week I shall attempt to "profile" the ripper,any comments

from yourself,or other forum members would be much appreciated.

Your Mom sounds like a smart Lady.If you read my post on the rise

of new journalism, you can probably make an educated guess as to

where im heading on this. Thanks for your interest.

Steve.

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OFENDER PROFILE OF THE WHITECHAPEL MURDERS.

As a first step lets sort the primary characteristics of offenders into two types

ORGANISED / UNORGANISED

1,average/above average 1,Below average intelligence.

intelligence

2,Socially competant. 2,Socially inadequate.

3,Skilled worker 3, Unskilled.

4,Sexually competant 4, Incompetant.

5,High in order of birth. 5,Low in order.

6,Fathers employment stable 6,F/E Unstable.

7,Low child disipline. 7, Harsh disipline.

8,Controlled mood during 8,Suffers anxiety during

crime

9,Alocohol use during crime 9,Minimal use.

10, lives with partner. 10, Lives alone.

11,Good mobility, 11, Lives near crime scene.

This uses the "Quantico" profile system,pioneered by Robert Ressler

of the FBI, & a system of mine, which relies on the following points.

1, Organisation 2,Crime scene 3,Method 4, Victim 5, Time 6, Witnesess

7, Unkown. Now lets look at the murders & try to profile " Jack"

1, POLLY NICHOLLS.

1(Organisation) This killing bears all the hallmarks of the organised offender.

Quick dispatch of victim, own weapon used, no material clues left at scene,

& a trophy taken from the victim. (a ring).

2,(Crime scene) -Bucks Row- Quite, poorly lit, Victim possibly killed out of

sight, behind the gates of a board school.

3,( Method) Bruising to throat (Thumb marks?) Two deep slashes to neck,

victimwas disembowled, Left handed killer, Short bladed pointed knife.

4,( Victim) Female, 5ft 2ins 45 looked younger,dark hair, delicate features

front teeth missing, heavy drinker, living at lodging houes 18 Thrawl St

working as a prostitute.

5,(Time) Murdered between 3-4 am 30 August 1888, A Friday.

6,(Witnesess) None.

7,( Unknown) Exact time of death, were marks to throat made by killer

was killer known to victim, was body moved after murder.

PERPETRATOR, Male, age 20-40 yrs, strong , organised attack, left handed,

calm approach, worked/ lived locally, possibly knew victim, no attempted

rape, WEAPON, Short bladed strong, pointed knife. No apparant knowlege

of anatomy.

NEXT CRIME PROFILES OF ANNIE CHAPMAN, LIZ STRIDE & CATH EDDOWES.

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2, ANNIE CHAPMAN.

1,(Organisation) This killing contains elements of both types. Trophy

taking,Rings,organised. Removal of body parts,Unorganised. Swift

attack-heavy mutilation, Organised. Leaving clues? Unorganised.

2,(Crime scene) Hanbury St, murder took place in the back yard

of number 29. Poorly lit, secluded.

3,(Method) Signs of strangulation, Throat cut though to spine,

Multiple mutilations to body,Right handed killer ? Long 6ins thin

bladed knife.

4(victim) Woman,47yrs, 5ft tall, Dark,Heavy biuld, teeth missing,

Alcoholic. Living at Crossinghams lodging house 35 Dorset st,

work selling flowers, Prostitution.

5,(Time) Difficult to say,Dr Phillips estimate, 4-30am Saturday

8th Sept, 1888.

6,(Witnesess) Mrs Long.

7(Unknown) Exact time of death, was killer known to victim, were

mutilations post mortem,?

PERP, (Witness Mrs Long) Male, 5ft -5ins, Shabby dress,

Organised/Unorganised attack, right handed? No attempted rape,

Weapon thin ,long bladed, knife. Some knowlege of anatomy(Dr Phillips)

NEXT ELIZABETH STRIDE.

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Stephen,

Sorry for the brief interruption. Great storybook concept. Couple of things:

1. If you're including the Emma Smith murder, as some do, then you're exonerating Oswald Puckridge. I'm inclined to think you're making him up as I've never heard of him, but everything else in your story checks out so I guess you're just throwing him in as a red herring---unless you exclude the Smith murder OR you have him as the second killer, which I fear you do.

2. I'll reveal who I believe it was after your dissertation.

Please continue the ripping yarn....................

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Stephen,

Sorry for the brief interruption. Great storybook concept. Couple of things:

1. If you're including the Emma Smith murder, as some do, then you're exonerating Oswald Puckridge. I'm inclined to think you're making him up as I've never heard of him, but everything else in your story checks out so I guess you're just throwing him in as a red herring---unless you exclude the Smith murder OR you have him as the second killer, which I fear you do.

2. I'll reveal who I believe it was after your dissertation.

Please continue the ripping yarn....................

Mark, welcome.

I decided to begin by looking at the accepted (canonical) victims.

Nichols, Chapman, Stride, Eddowes & Kelly.Later I shall include

other woman who have been linked to this case. Smith, Tabram,

Coles & Mckenzie.

Mr Puckridge was a real person( Damn Oswalds get everywhere)

Sir charles Warren sent a progress report to the Home Office naming

three suspects on 19th Sept, and Ossie was one. More on him

later.

keep posting, Steve.

Ps What do you make of the ripper letters???

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I suppose while were on the subject!!!!

Although Puckridge was an actual suspect, and therefore must be

investigated. I tend to discount him. Lets see what history tells us about

him. Oswald Puckridge had trained at the London Hospital in surgery.

In early 1888 friends, & colleagues became increasingly concerned

about his behavior, late night wanderings, hearing voices in his head,

and most worrying, threats to "Rip people up".He is commited to

Colney Hatch Psychiatric hospital in Febuary, discharged in August.

So why do I discount him? Take any serial killer of the last 50 years,

when they are finally captured everybody says "I cant belive it, he was

such a quite man, loved his wife etc, etc. Serial killers tend almost to

a man (a white man) to be Psycopaths, not Psychotics.

NEXT LONG LIZ.

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I suppose while were on the subject!!!!

Although Puckridge was an actual suspect, and therefore must be

investigated. I tend to discount him. Lets see what history tells us about

him. Oswald Puckridge had trained at the London Hospital in surgery.

In early 1888 friends, & colleagues became increasingly concerned

about his behavior, late night wanderings, hearing voices in his head,

and most worrying, threats to "Rip people up".He is commited to

Colney Hatch Psychiatric hospital in Febuary, discharged in August.

So why do I discount him? Take any serial killer of the last 50 years,

when they are finally captured everybody says "I cant belive it, he was

such a quite man, loved his wife etc, etc. Serial killers tend almost to

a man (a white man) to be Psycopaths, not Psychotics.

NEXT LONG LIZ.

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While were on the subject!!

Although Puckridge was an actual suspect, and therefore must be

investigated. I tend to discount him. Lets see what history tells us about

him. Oswald Puckridge had trained at the London Hospital in surgery.

In early 1888 friends, & colleagues became increasingly concerned

about his behavior, late night wanderings, hearing voices in his head,

and most worrying, threats to "Rip people up".He is commited to

Colney Hatch Psychiatric hospital in Febuary, discharged in August.

So why do I discount him? Take any serial killer of the last 50 years,

when they are finally captured everybody says "I cant belive it, he was

such a quite man, loved his wife etc, etc. Serial killers tend almost to

a man (a white man) to be Psycopaths, not Psychotics.

NEXT LONG LIZ.

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