James R Gordon

A couple of years ago I posted an image of JFK's shirt.

It was quite a revelation. It high definition taken from the front and it showed the back entrance hole very clearly. It also lets us see that the entrace wound was low down around T3.

I have mislaid my copy of the image. If anyone has a copy of the image can they re-postit for me?

James

David,

The image that I posted showed just how low the entrance wood was. It showed the entrance was in the area T3.

David I am prepared to debate with you, but I am not going to be instructed what in your opinion is - or is not - best evidence. I will decide that for myself.

Your images which you claim are best evidence are nothing of the sort.They are 2D pictures - taken from different vantage positions - onto which you are claiming 3D conclusions. There is no way anyone can verify - or not - what you claim. If you feel that is Best Evidence - then prove it. Do not display and assert.

Your image of the back wound is a case in point. As you point out it could be argued that the back entrance wound is close to the neck exit wound. As the image of the shirt I am talking about demonstrates - and this piece of evidence is beyond argument - the hole is close to T3. Your pictures are an assumption created by you to fit your beliefs.

I hope the quality of your evidence improves. I am happy to accept your position if you can prove and establish it. But if I am to debate this issue with you then I am going to call out your unfounded assertions each and every time I see them.

James

David,

A couple of years I posted an image of JFK's shirt. It was taken from the front and - unlike previous images of the shirt - it high definition picture image which clearly showed the position of the back entrance wound on the shirt.

This images of the shirt showed just how low the back wound was compared to the neck wound. You are bound to have taken a copy of this image of the shirt. I remember when I posted it it was a complete revelation to the forum. It seem unlikely you would not have taken a copy of it for your research.

Please re-post that image and lets debate from that image.

Should you not have a copy I am sure other members have a copy they could post.

If we are to debate the relative positions of the back wound to the throat wound lets do so with the best evidence available.

James

I have just hidden a post. To those members who feel they can go on as usual I suggest they read Kathy Becket's recent post.

That post was written after considerable discussion by the admin team.

I suggest members take seriously what kathy said in that post.

If the  admin team are required to give certain members a very extended holiday before what kathy said - on behalf of all members of the admin team - is taken on board by fellow members - then so be it.

What Kathy posted was not an idle post and those members who feel they can contimue to act just as they wish might want to - think again!!!!!

James

From Admin,

We have received two complaints about the use of insults within 24 hours.

Though I have not read the entire thread, I have read enough to acknowledge the veracity of the complaint. I have hidden two posts.

If some find it impossible to refrain from insulting fellow members, I suggest you take a break and do something else. If I have a further report I will scrupulously read through the entire thread and immediately give the offending mmembers a break from this site - without warning.

You all know how to address one another - even on a topic that is controversial. Offending other members does not just offend the particular member - it offends all who have to read your post.

Sandy,

Invision have replied to your problem. I am sorry it appears the system does not work as you wish.

There would be no way in which to do that. It picks up the last item a person has read, so if they reply to the topic then the last item that person has read is actually their own response. There is no way around that

James

Sandy,

I will forward your issue to Invision. I do not know the answer.

Terry there are two ways to start a new thread, The most popular one is to  click the dark blue button on the Education Forum main page, However I see you can als create a new thread from within an existing thread, That box is to the lefy of reply to this topic.

I see you get an error message. Can you post what error message is that the site gives you. I will look into it for you.

James.

Thanks very much James. Payment received.

James

You are right George,

The membership have indeed reached  the goal. Indeed the membership have surpassed the the one-year target. At present the donations are approaching the two-year target.

Maybe now would be a good time to pause. We have enough money to get us to around April 2024.

James.

Benjamin,

You donation has been received.

James

Well thanks everyone. You have astonished me. To date you have donated $885. That is sufficient for 12 months. It was mentioned that each block would be 15 months in which we need a further $165. You could also allow it to run for a few more days.
One thing is certain we are through till - at least April 223.
Chris Davidson suggested that members set up a recurring minimal payment every month.
Say $1.  Which as he says is “Out of sight/mind.”
The advantage is that I could gain a better understanding of the monthly amount coming in and then ask for minor adjustments, accordingly.

The List on Donators
$20 Barton Blum
$50 Bruce Fernandez
$50 Gregory Douda
$100 John Butler
$300 Jase Hickox
$ 20 Karl Hilliard
$25  George Govus
$20 from Kirk Galloway
$100 from Chris Davidson    
$200 from Tyler Carpenter
James

Until the present situation I had also forgottem

1. Click on Store at the top of the Page.

2 Click on Donations.

That leads you into the process.

The first question you are asked is How Much.

Omce answered you are taken to the Paypal account.

James

Thanks I have received the following:-
$20 from Kirk Galloway
$100 from Chris Davidson    
$200 from Tyler Carpenter
James

Ty,

It has been received.

James

Andrej,
    I agree to maintain the banking link with Invision. What about the end of March being the Education Forum end of year. So for a 15 month year - if that is what you want - the new year would begin in April 2022 and would end in June 2023
     If you are looking at a 15 month period then the sum is £810: 15 times £54.
    Invision charge me in $ and it is $70 per month which equals $1050. $1050 is the same as £ 810.
    I agree to let the forum know when the target sum has been reached and - if helpful - I can give you a monthly state of the account.
    As regards the PayPal account I believe it still works. If someone donate $1 I can check whether still reaches the account and report back.
    
James

O.k Benjamin in theory this might work and in I would be happy to remain as the one to be debited monthly by Invision.

Goal 1 can the forum raise $600 to continue payments from April 2022 to April 2023? If that is possible then we may have a goer. We will leave April 2023 - 2024 till later. Can we get through to April 2023 that is the question???

We already have a donation system which appears to still be up and running. You will find it in the pinned section. I cannot test it since I hold the PayPal account. Can you test it with a $5 donation and get back?

1 A History Lesson.

The present Education Forum was the creation of John Simpkin - his vision was far wider than just  the JFK forum. In the spring of 2014 John announced he was leaving the forum and asked for soneone(ones) to take over- which also meant taking over the Invision payment. A group  of us - under the lead of Barb Junkkarinen - discussed how to take over the forum but the discussion ended up focused on the detail of the rules - while John Simpkin’s mandate was running out and was just days from being lost. Therefore Kathy Becket, Mark Knight, David Butler and I broke away from this main group and took over John’s mandate.

Once we took over we were committed to the Invision payment mandate. It is required when taking over the mandate that there is a named person who is liable to Invision for ensuring payment is made. I became that person.

2. The Scope of John Simkin’s dream.

The extent of the present site has always been an issue, but the present admin team have always felt that we should not break up the site. As Bob Ness pointed out in time these other boards might come back to life. Indeed I believe there is still traffic on some of the other boards.

3 The “Nitty Gritty”

When John decided to leave the site he gave a three month period of grace - hence why I have also done the same.

There is an old cliche that a puppy is not for Christmas. That is the problem here. Until I close the account with Invision, each and every month they take their payment.

I note that some kind members have suggested they will donate. Not to belittle these members kindness, there needs to be a means to guarantee sufficient funds for payment each and every month - let alone years - and we are nowhere near there.

I applaud the spirit to see whether there is a means to fund the forum. The present admin team succeeded because I became the named individual. A perpetual fund raising method is much more difficult.

James

I appreciate the support for the Forum continuing. I am also aware as Denny Zartman and Karl Hilliard have commented that these are not easy times for us all. It would require $600 to be raised per year were the forum to be saved by contributions. I could not possibly ask for such a sum.

James.

Hi all, I hope you all are fit and well.

With regret I am resigning my post as a member of the admin team,

In the UK, energy prices are becoming a serious problem. In April 2022 the energy ceiling agreement - presently in place - ends and a new one is to be created. It is widely believed that one consequence is that the energy companies will be raising their prices by at least 40%. I have little confidence in the Government doing much about such a rise.

Therefore I am beginning to prepare for the event and now need to use the subscription to Invision to help offset this rise.

The consequence is that I will stop my Invision subscription from March 31st. That hopefully will provide time to arrange a new Invision subscriber. I will not be paying the April subscription. If no-one  comes forward the site will go dark around 10th of April.

At present the monthly cost to Invision is $70:00 per month. If anyone wishes to take on this commitment then please get in touch with me and I will pass your name onto Invision. Invision will require bank account details through which they are guaranteed their monthly payment.

I have been proud to be a member of the admin team - and I hope the remaining members will remain in post - however this is an issue I cannot avoid and I need to leave.

James.

Jim,

I feel insulted, I understood we had an agreement, but clearly we did not. A member complained about you and I read the thread the member objects to.

You use the phrase “deuterium cover ups are serious Human Health Crimes” when responding to
James Di Eugenio.Deuterium is also known as heavy hydrogen. When you respond like this to James - What exactly are you saying about Jim ?? I suspect it is nothing good. I believe I know you are using the phrase to insult James Di Eugenio. Nor is this the only reference to deuterium cover ups - references are all over this thread. I believe each and everyone is an insult to fellow members. In one reference you suggest it was employed by the CIA to kill Casto - but the use of the phrase is too widespread to be limited to that single issue. You refer to James as “deuterium-Eugenio.”Really! You can make such references.

 This insult to James Di Eugenio is unacceptable.Jim is well aware of your insults and makes that clear on the thread “Finally! A Good Review of Oliver Stone's "JFK Revisited” but has not involved himself what would have ended up as a “bun fight.”

On Page 2 you accuse Oliver Stone of having secret financial backers in the UK.  Unless you have evidence to prove that then you have slandered Oliver Stone and that is a banning offence. It does not help that on the same page you say of Oliver Stone “If anything, Stone is now right in bed with the criminals now. “ To say Oliver Stone is working with criminals is outrageous.

In a response to Ron Bulman - on Page 3 - you say “Well---you do make a model for Asparger's Syndrome---drunk on heavy water perhaps !!” It is clear your response refers to Ron. I felt I knew what the term Asparger's Syndrome meant , but I checked to be sure. Asparger's Syndrome is related to Autism. You appear to accuse Ron of being autistic as well as being someone who is infected by Heavy Water.  Nor is this the only reference to  Asparger's Syndrome in this thread. What makes you feel you can say these things?

This is personal with me. on my own without reference to the other admin members - I released from moderation - even though I did not place you on moderation. I felt you had been on moderation for long enough. I emailed you and I note you did not even respond - if only to thank me. I did make it clear that I expected you to uphold the rules of the forum.

In just three pages - of a thread that you created - you have numerous times breached the conditions of this form,.

At present I have removed your posting privileges and I may - on further reflection this issue - remove your membership altogether.

James

Mervyn,

Holding personal opinions about JFK or indeed Donald Trump are allowed on this forum. Deriding and insulting fellow members opinions and beliefs  is not. Suggesting that JFK and RFK were two-faced and liars is really not acceptable on this forum.You are an established member of this forum and should know better.

Having fellow members complain about you is not something you want. When that happens my attention is always drawn to the person being complained about.

James.

I have referred this problem to Invision.

Hopefully they will quickly correct what is causing this.

James.

I appologise that this is Public but it appears the only to get through.I want to make public that in general members have been well behaved in a topic that could easily have led to "wild fires." That it has not done so is a reflection on members behaviour.

I see kathy has made some comments about posting conduct. I agree with all she has said.

I appreciate this should not be public but that said admin is fed up with complaints about Jim Harwood. Last night I deleted and hid a number of his posts. This morning I received a further complaint about Jim insulting Sandy.

I had expected that deleting a number of posts wold have delivered a message - clearly not.

Kathy's post I am sure was also directed JIm Let me now make something clear:

Another substantiated complaint about JIm Harwood and I will ban him.

Not all your posts are objectionable but like everyone else Jim you know what is expected in a post - and what is not acceotable. And therefore admin see your insults as deliberate. The next one and you are gone.

James.

Kirk,

A great post. Last night L watched the TV movie "Recount." For resons I cannot explain I kept thinking what if the movie is a premination for this year and it the case goes to the Supreme Court - what if the outcome is also the same?

James

9 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

James,

I fully understand, and agree, that calling people names in our debates here is beyond the pale.

However, if I may clarify one thing-- my above comment about "wing nut history" was a reference to Mr. Harwood's reference article, not to Mr. Harwood.

Henceforth, I will, certainly, refrain from using the term, "wing nut" in these discussions.

I am sorry I was wrong to criticise you and I am very disappointed the admin team have already had to hide some of Jim Harwood's post.