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Okay, I'll search my archives. You guys are work
Here's Morgan CIA link I promised you.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=27312
Thanks Christy. Wm. Morgan, as you know was a good friend. There was a time when the CIA wanted young men who had no home life or close to any type of normal background. They were the real "cut-outs". If one really wants to obtain a knowledge into the workings of the covert CIA and MI worlds of the time, then they should read the link you posted. This story, like most all our stories, will always be "Pro and Con", no records... no proven story... time is the key to truth.. Within the Morgan story, and his life, and others, are found the clues to Kennedy's death and the reasons. The foundation and the assassination were formed long before the shots were fired in Dallas. Thanks again, least we forget.. Tosh
A POEM
About American, William Morgan of Toledo,Ohio, a Major in the
Cuban Revolution holding equal military rank with Castro.
I was under the Castro spell
Until the day Bill Morgan fell
Our friend Fidel had him shot down
And burried under red Cuban ground.
It was at La Cabana where he died
The victim of true patriot pride,
Trijillo the murderer tried to deal
With Morgan, Castro's power to steal.
Dominicans landed and died in Cuba's snare
Not one Trijillo soldier did Castro spare
Major Morgan, soldier and hero true
Saved the Revolution, not else he would do.
On Bill Morgan that history did hinge
Then an angry U.S. State Dept went on a binge
Morgan's citizenship they would revoke
Knowing he'd soon die by this infamous hoax.
The allpowerful will never show mercy
To any who injure their conspiracies
Many like Morgan will pay this price
But will live on immortal the greater life!
{c} Harry Dean
Morgan as an officer of the Cuban Revolutionary Army, could
not, would not agree with CIA {Central Intelligence Agency} to
aid the Dominican dictator Trijillo, in the attempt to overthrow
Castro's Government. Morgan informed Castro of the plan. The
U.S. State Department then withdrew Morgan's citizenship while
leaking false information to Castro that Morgan was working with
CIA. Castro beleived the false information, then had Morgan arrested
and executed.
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Tim:...Your a Different Matter....
A: Do not ever try to put words into my mouth. Do not try to reword, put assertions, nor twist my words..nor ever imply that I have not the right to my opinion...nor anyone elses....
B: Improve the tone of your response, in particular when the post is not directed to you....
C: I will reply to this one post from you..improve your Forum etiquette, as they say..
"As we know.....Walker played a role in the assassination of Kennedy"? "
Tim Said: "This is the first that I've heard of Grinnan initiating the black-bordered ad AND supplying the money...."
Bernice Says: "
Joe Weissman Testimony.
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk..._Vol5_0257b.htm
and
Harry has also informed you of that information.
B...
Bernice:
1. This is a forum and I responded to a post. If yours was meant exclusively for someone else, then a forum posting is not the appropriate methodology. There's this new thing called e-mail. I feel perfectly entitled to "insert" myself into any thread I choose. I believe that it was John Simkin who initiated this thread. I participate here at his invitation.
2. I did comment, and am commenting again now, on the tone of your certainty in saying "As we know...Walker played a role in the assassination of Kennedy." I responded to what seemed a rhetorical, "as we know." I didn't understand that you literally meant just you and Harry when you said, "as we know." Given that this is a forum, and I was behaving with forum etiquette, I thought you meant the collective "we."
3. You're taking exception to my statement, "This is the first that I've heard of Grinnan initiating the black-bordered ad AND supplying the money...." You referred me to a link to Weissman's testimony, as if to inform me of something that differs with what I said. Weissman's testimony about Joe Grinnan supplying the money is, "Now, as far as I know, Joe didn't put any of this money up personally...."
4. I concede that I probably shouldn't have jumped in on this one as I have forgotten much of what I once knew about Walker and the Birchers because of the conclusion I came to long ago that they were blustering small-timers. No wonder they call the John Birch Society a "fringe group."
Chill
Bernice, Tim, & Shanet
When R. Reagan was heading for Governor, Western Director of the Birch Society
John Rousselot called Reagan saying; which way should the Society go, for or
against you. We will follow your choice.
When Goldwater was conservative candidate for president, he came out against the Birch Society, no doubt with the same offer. Goldwater openly snubbed Walker at a high level public political meeting.
During these times, and until recently, I had been a life-long Conservative Republican associated with and working for the candidates mentioned here.
If you wish to shine great light upon ' the total picture ' of what was in the works
from the Cuba, Kennedy, domestic subversives and Intelligence activities.
The CD named, York & The Rape Of Justice Connection to the JFK Assassination {from a M/S book I wrote in1990/91} with documents, can be gotten from the Rich DellaRosa JFK Forum.
Harry
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Hey, Tim
Grinnan and his group did do the black border ad,among other activities,and he
was a Birch Society leader in Texas.
Walker was tossed into a federal mental institution after and because of the
Mississippi trouble in 1962.
H.Dean
Harry,
I understand that Grinnan was part of the group, with Weissman and Nelson Bunker Hunt. I was taking exception to the assertion that Grinnan specifically and individually "initiated" and paid for the black-bordered ad. I stand corrected about the 'Ole Miss trouble, which came very shortly after Walker's military career was ended as a result of his behavior in Germany. By the way, can you tell me what Walker specifically did in Mississippi that was so bizarre?
Tim
Tim,
Walker resigned from the military after being busted for {U.S. domestic ant-communist and anti-Russian Soviet campaigning} from his position in Germany so he could speak-out freely against Kennedy against what the Birch Society also
called 'Kennedy Communist domestic and foreign policies'.
Bob Kennedy had Walker tossed-in the federal mental ward for 'alleged' incitement
to riot in making ant- administration statements,and simply because of his presence at the mississippi affair. Walker later sued a lot of people/organisations and won.
H.Dean
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Hello Harry:
Would you know if the Citizens Councils that were spread and contained
much power all through the South during these times..and were extremely
anti Communist and anti Kennedy as you mention....
As we know.....
Walker played a role in the assassination of Kennedy. He was a strong supporter of the far-right John Birch Society. In April 1961 Walker was accused of indoctrinating his troops with right-wing literature. With the agreement of President John F. Kennedy, Defence Secretary Robert S. McNamara relieved Walker of his command and announced an investigation into the affair. Kennedy was accused of trying to suppress the anti-Communist feelings of the military. Walker resigned from the army in protest about the way he had been treated.
Grinnan suggested that they should place a black-bordered advertisement in the Dallas Morning News on 22nd November, 1963. The advertisement cost $1,465. Grinnan supplied the money. He claimed that some of this came from Nelson Bunker Hunt, the son of Haroldson L. Hunt. Weissman was given the task of signing the advertisement and taking it to the newspaper office.
After the assassination, Walker, Grinnan, Weissman and Schmidt all fled from Dallas. Anything further on these men, that you might relate to us..?
Bernice
Bernice,
What difference does any of this make, other than your unqualified assertion that "As we know.....Walker played a role in the assassination of Kennedy"? This is the first that I've heard of Grinnan initiating the black-bordered ad AND supplying the money (since the "son of Haroldson L. Hunt," otherwise particularly known as NELSON BUNKER HUNT, as opposed to his other sons, Lamar and Herbert, was hardly penniless). But what about the assertion that the reason, as you say, that "Weissman was given the task of signing the advertisement" was that he had a Jewish name? When you say that Walker was "accused of indoctrinating his troops with right-wing literature," do you intend to question the legitimacy of that accusation? Have you seen the flyer Walker distributed to American troops under his command in Germany? Are you aware that Walker was committed to a mental institution as a result of his behavior in Germany? Bottom-line, other than your wild, unsupported assertion of Walker's supposed "role in the assassination," what is your point?
Tim
Hey, Tim
Grinnan and his group did do the black border ad,among other activities,and he
was a Birch Society leader in Texas.
Walker was tossed into a federal mental institution after and because of the
Mississippi trouble in 1962.
H.Dean
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Hello Harry:
Been a long time... Nice to see you and hope all has been well..
Questions please:
Would you know if the Citizens Councils that were spread and contained much power all through the South during these times.. and were extremely anti Communist and anti Kennedy as you mention.... if the Birch Society groups, were all contained under this Citizens Council name? ou mention the nationwide umbrella group... each city had it's own CC as you are aware, and all met under and with the Head Organization for a yearly conference from far and wide..
As we know.. Walker played a role in the assassination of Kennedy. He was a strong supporter of the far-right John Birch Society. In April 1961 Walker was accused of indoctrinating his troops with right-wing literature. With the agreement of President John F. Kennedy, Defence Secretary Robert S. McNamara relieved Walker of his command and announced an investigation into the affair. Kennedy was accused of trying to suppress the anti-Communist feelings of the military. Walker resigned from the army in protest about the way he had been treated.
One of the soldiers who Walker successfully indoctrinated was Larrie Schmidt. After leaving the army he settled in Dallas. He was a member of the John Birch Society in Dallas. His brother worked as Walker’s chauffeur. Schmidt later invited Bernard Weissman to Dallas. Weissman was then introduced to Joe Grinnan, another member of the John Birch Society. Grinnan was involved in organizing protests against the visit of John F. Kennedy. Grinnan seemed to know about the visit before it was officially announced to the public. Grinnan suggested that they should place a black-bordered advertisement in the Dallas Morning News on 22nd November, 1963. The advertisement cost $1,465. Grinnan supplied the money. He claimed that some of this came from Nelson Bunker Hunt, the son of Haroldson L. Hunt. Weissman was given the task of signing the advertisement and taking it to the newspaper office.
After the assassination, Walker, Grinnan, Weissman and Schmidt all fled from Dallas. Anything further on these men, that you might relate to us..?
One last thought ,does the name John Erik Jonsson, come to mind at all, re the Citizens Council... and Dallas...
Thanks Harry.
Bernice
Did not know of Jonsson. Re; the subversive war being
waged under the inflaming 'extreme influence' of Birch Society et al. literature, so-called apolitical/political efforts, and other more encouraged 'overt action' was aimed at the overthrough of the Status Que represented in Kennedy, Eisenhower and All, as far back as Roosevelt. In this Life or Death struggle to seize power, Kennedy, and the former system passed violently away.
Note;
Birch Society members were advised to follow instructions as individuals,not as
representing the Society. That advise was strictly followed by the Dallas group
and others you mentioned above.
H.Dean
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I do not know of Lechner being involved with organized crime. One must
recall those times and seasons, that made strange bedfellows, out of necessity
as the true saying goes.
One of the four at that meeting let drop some info. to a confederate with a
loose tongue. As an example, Any Cubans I knew, when elated always blabbed
even deep secrets.
H.Dean
Harry,
Did you know Burt Mold? If so, what can you tell us about him?
Dave
Probably bumped elbows with him, nothing more.
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Yes, when nessasary for personal security reasons.
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Harry,
In addition to my previous question (see above) I have some more:
"William Pearson.. aka "Buck"?
Does that ring a bell for you?
Same question for:
'Austins BarBQ' in Oak Cliff,
or "Youngbloods Fried Chicken restaurant, also in Oak Cliff?
Did you know a "Tommy Pugh" of the Dallas PD?
Thanks in advance,
Wim
Sorry, my answer is ' no '
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Hi,again David
I have not missed any of your posts.
In answer to most of your questions I will say the following;
I knew Dr. Lechner in passing, he was known and admired
by all in radical conservative circles. I did not know of his
Chicago connection{s}.
I knew Walter Knott very well,and of his efforts in the movement.
I knew Herb Phibrick casually,and exchanged Christmas card yearly.
ACFC,American Committee To Free Cuba,was an invention of The
John Birch Society.
I Knew Gen. Walker well.
I knew John Rousselot well.
I knew Steve Foot casually.
I knew Jose Norman well.
I knew Loran Hall,activities,speaches et al. well.
There are others in the ultra conservative 'combination'/movement
known by me also.
Harry
Thanks Harry,
When Mold and Lechner visited Cesar Blanco and Paulino Sierra in Chicago to enlist their help, they allegedly claimed that their backers were "gamblers from the West." And they supposedly named Jake Lansky. Now, have you ever known Lechner to be involved with organized crime?
If there were just the 4 of them at this meeting, how did the FBI know about this?
Dave
I do not know of Lechner being involved with organized crime. One must
recall those times and seasons, that made strange bedfellows, out of necessity
as the true saying goes.
One of the four at that meeting let drop some info. to a confederate with a
loose tongue. As an example, Any Cubans I knew, when elated always blabbed
even deep secrets.
H.Dean
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Harry
Did Gen. Edwin Walker fire at his own house and call it in?
What's up with the missing license plate number in the photo of Walker's house? Did Milteer get his information from the Birchers?
These are topics I am interested in.
Shanet in Atlanta
The General said that he and his staff at first had tracked his attempted assassins to Southern California.
I long ago saw a photo showing the licence plate number of that car. Someone aimed to hid it for whatever reason?
Re; Milteer, it should be understood the Birch Society was a nationwide umbrella organization,and instigator over all anti-Communist/anti-Kennedy thoughts and deeds. The Society became to all who understood and followed, a spiritual/ superpatriotic driving force, that included those of good and/or bad intent. Milteer was one of them.
H.Dean
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Dear Harry,
Thanks for answering. I do commend you for putting flowers on Lee's grave. That would have been a welcome change from people spitting on it and it shows you know this could have happened to any other patriot like yourself. I am glad that more and more men like you and Tosh are coming forward with their inside views and are apparently setting their fears aside for the sake of future generations.
Can you please elaborate on what the following words mean to you?
Alhambra
L.A. Stamp and stationary
Scimitar Studio
Dennis Curtin Studio
Santa Barbara Airport, Goleta
Thanks in advance,
Wim
Alhambra,CA {city} on the east border of Los Angeles, my 2nd hometown for several years.
L.A. Stamp & Stationary, according to C. Holt a CIA front,' Holt said I operated from there ' I did not.
Scimitar, not know to me.
Dennise Curtain Studio, not know to me.
Santa Barbara Airport, Goleta, not used by me.
H.Dean
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Hi,
I was just thinking over some things with the current situation in mind. in my opinion the assassination of jfk was very monitarily motivated among the people higher up in society and was more personal and political among other sections(cubans, howard hunt), those people who gained from the assassintion made a lot of money and in my opinion are now in power but my question is, does the power now lie with the neo-cons in the white house r with the CIA as was the case in the 60s, have the big cats now bypassed the CIA as they have gotten what they want, power?
john
YES!
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John
The writer, W. R. Morris made such statements and attributed them to me {after we appeared on what was called the TOM SNYDER SHOW in New York} I refused to cooperate with him about writing a book. [We fell out]. He continued to write and involve me, using much of his own information and ideas which I 'much later' discovered. The 'exact information' is on the CD ROM titled ' YORK AND THE RAPE
OF JUSTICE Connection to The JFK Assassination ' M/S Book I had to write in 1991. You can use the section of that CD pertaining to it's entire, documented facts, on your JFK site for the benifit of your interested members if you wish. The CD will answer all questions much better than I can here.
Sincerely, Harry Dean.
How are you, Harry! It's been a long time since you and I have been on the same forum. It's so nice to have you join up over here. Welcome!
Warmest regards,
Terry
Hi, Terry
Thanks for the welcome note,nice to hear from you.
H. Dean
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John
The writer, W. R. Morris made such statements and attributed them to me {after we appeared on what was called the TOM SNYDER SHOW in New York} I refused to cooperate with him about writing a book. [We fell out]. He continued to write and involve me, using much of his own information and ideas which I 'much later' discovered. The 'exact information' is on the CD ROM titled ' YORK AND THE RAPE
OF JUSTICE Connection to The JFK Assassination ' M/S Book I had to write in 1991. You can use the section of that CD pertaining to it's entire, documented facts, on your JFK site for the benifit of your interested members if you wish. The CD will answer all questions much better than I can here.
Sincerely, Harry Dean.
How are you, Harry! It's been a long time since you and I have been on the same forum. It's so nice to have you join up over here. Welcome!
Warmest regards,
Terry
Hi, Terry
Thanks for the welcome note, nice to hear from you.
H. Dean
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Dear Harry,
Is it true that you put flowers on Lee Harvey Oswald's grave for some time?
That would be very considerate of you. Would you share your motivation with us here?
Thanks,
Wim
Wim
From 1965 to 1980 my reason for placing flowers on Oswald's grave each year was to carry brief 'poignant' poetics, indicating his framing, also to provoke actions by authorities to open the archives!
After 1980 I began a monthly tabloid newspaper to carry on that fight.
H. Dean
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Hi,again David
I have not missed any of your posts.
In answer to most of your questions I will say the following;
I knew Dr. Lechner in passing, he was known and admired
by all in radical conservative circles. I did not know of his
Chicago connection{s}.
I knew Walter Knott very well,and of his efforts in the movement.
I knew Herb Phibrick casually,and exchanged Christmas card yearly.
ACFC,American Committee To Free Cuba,was an invention of The
John Birch Society.
I Knew Gen. Walker well.
I knew John Rousselot well.
I knew Steve Foot casually.
I knew Jose Norman well.
I knew Loran Hall,activities,speaches et al. well.
There are others in the ultra conservative 'combination'/movement
known by me also.
Harry
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John
The writer, W. R. Morris made such statements and attributed them to me {after we appeared on what was called the TOM SNYDER SHOW in New York} I refused to cooperate with him about writing a book. [We fell out]. He continued to write and involve me, using much of his own information and ideas which I 'much later' discovered. The 'exact information' is on the CD ROM titled ' YORK AND THE RAPE OF JUSTICE Connection to The JFK Assassination ' M/S Book I had to write in 1991. You can use the section of that CD pertaining to it's entire, documented facts, on your JFK site for the benifit of your interested members if you wish. The CD will answer all questions much better than I can here.
Sincerely, Harry Dean.
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Harry Dean has joined the forum.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKdeanH.htm
Hopefully, he will be willing to answer questions.
Harry, in the past you have been reported as saying that the John Birch Society hired two gunman, Eladio del Valle and Loran Hall, to kill President John F. Kennedy. Was this the plot that killed Kennedy?
Were any other organizations working with the John Birch Society in this plot?
Is it right that General Edwin Walker and John Rousselot were involved in the plot to frame Lee Harvey Oswald?
Why did LBJ cover-up the conspiracy?
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My name is Harry J.Dean and was involved in Cuba/JFK affairs.
Photo for Tosh
in JFK Assassination Debate
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Tosh
My areas of involvement were {mostly} Chicago/Cuba, first pro Castro, then anti-Castro, reporting to U.S. Intelligence. None of the names listed above are
known to me.
H.Dean
I did not contact Morgan while in Cuba {July 1960} but was sweated by Cuba's
G2 {since named DGI as you know} In looking back I still break a ' fearful sweat '
thinking about those lousy skunks at DGI. But my credentials cheated them, ie;
{Francisco ' Frank ' Vega} just as Intelligence bet they would. Morgan was executed only a few months later. My fate would have been sealed and never
got out of there if I had called on Morgan. Those bastards at G2 new every move I made, were sure I was CIA and said so. Later Vega sneaked into the U.S. and I gave him to my Intelligence Contacts! It remains always to me as terrific, to
have cheated fate, and having put the screws to my former friends and associates of 26th Of July Movement, and their Network in the United States { The Fair Play for Cuba Committee } along with 'others' at Cuban G2=DGI headquarters who wanted to, and urged Vega have me shot just on suspicion.
Did not intend here to get off track,and sorry could not be helpful.
H. Dean