Edwin Ortiz

Yes Greg what i was mainly referring to was the diagram of head shots in opposing views to the sbt diagram but thanks again for the other diagrams

I find the single bullet diagram very easily on the net but i have not been able to find a diagram with the shots coming from both the front and back with the adjusted locations contrary to the sbt theory...Is this due to the internet being filtered or lack of diagrams from a conspiracy point of view?....Though i have read many booms i dont recall where and if i have found any diagrams opposing the SBT diagram which we always see any thought please reply im still looking for the true accurate diagram of the incoming shots.

There is a new australian based documentary with information based on investigator colin mclaren coming out in november . I have tried to lookup mr mclaren and his conclusions and have not found any info on net if anyone knows please reply ..thanks

Hi jim i think judith baker of suppsed oswald lover fame is writing the rose cheramie book ...i believe that ms baker is just a very good writer if you get my drift.

Mike:

Who is Baker that is writing a book on Ferrie?

Also, a publisher, not Trine Day, wanted me to do a book on Rose Cheramie.

I declined. I said, look to do a book about her today would take a very large advance and then expenses. Because you would have to do a lot of on the ground research, knocking on doors, and getting leads to family members etc. And I knew this publisher would not come up with the money since they were a smaller house, a university press.

Trine Day doesn't have that kind of money either. So I will be interested to see what this guy comes up with.

Looks like another professor on the cia payroll....my tax dollars at work ....makes me sick

I recently read about jim leavelle going around talking and being honored for his career i hope not for his handling of oswald....well to be honest it makes me sick to hear that this man is going around and giving talks...he did nothing To prevent. Oswald from beng killed except look at ruby gun him down

...and im sure he is getting Paid for his talks....the police assocation in dallas is making him into some hero..look i. Admire cops but not in this case...i do have a question were bullet proof vests around in 1963 ..why didnt they give oswald one....it sure would have helped.

Thank you mr Hocking ..excellent reply though a further question is Inspector sawyer runs into man on passenger elevator so i guess the passenger elevator was woking correct ...thanks again

Edwin,

Approximately 3-5 minutes after shots fired, Officers Mooney, Vickery and Webster arrive at 1^st floor rear elevator. Vickery & Webster take stairs up. Mooney takes West elevator up to 2^nd floor, where power goes off, he switches to the stairs and encounters some men he believes to be officers in plain clothes coming down the stairs. He passes these men without identifying them and continues up

Luke Mooney WC Testimony, Vol. III, pp. 283-284 http://www.jfk-assassination.de/warren/wch/vol3/page283.php

Another unidentified encounter: At roughly 12:34, Inspector Sawyer enters Front of TSBD, enters Passenger elevator; runs into “this Man”; goes up to 4^th floor ...

Ins. Sawyer WC Testimony, Vol VI, pp 318-320, http://www.jfk-assassination.de/warren/wch/vol6/page319.php

Hi i just finished reading the book girl on the stairs by b ernst ...my question is i thought i read somehwere that men in suits were seen going down the back stairs at some point after the shooting . Does any one have information on this thanks

Considering how Ramsey. Clark has changed views through the years about a great many things , did it change about who killed jfk....has he given any new information or opinions ..Hmm

Aynesworth was a business writer for the Dallas Times Herald at 26, then was hired to work for United Press International in their Denver, Colorado news bureau in 1959.[2] While in Denver, he was stabbed in the throat by an unknown man who broke down his apartment door one night.[2] Those who speculated on the motivation for the attack believed Aynesworth may have been targeted in a case of mistaken identity or by a jealous husband.[2] Aynesworth himself reported he thought that the Teamsters may have been involved due to a story on which the UPI was working at the time.[2] While still bandaged from the attack, he interviewed and was hired by the Dallas Morning News in 1960.[2][4]

Mr aynesworth already had a prior history of sexual escapades as seen in his biography...also he was a jack ruby pallbearer ..one fbi informer burying another...how fitting

I recently discovered a great blog about the kennedy assassination run by george w bailey (i don't think its the same guy from the movie its a wonderful life) ....great writing and sources throughout the blog. The name is oswald's mother i suggest perusing it . I nominate it as best blog on the net if anyone else has any other candidates please feel free to mention. Here is link http://oswaldsmother.blogspot.com/

HI fellow members just started reading Hit list and i see its FULL of footnotes by fellow education forum members ...simkin, kelly and others..kudos...i think...I went to a book signing this eveing and i was told MR Belzer fell ill and cancelled an hour before scheduled..Hopefully its not serious but i was advised by a book seller it is a heart thing ...damn i wonder if the book got him in trouble with the "unspeakable".... especially since the book starts off with stating the fact of heart attack inducing darts. nah i guess it was just a coincidence..Lets all hope Mr Belzer gets better soon

thanks jim still slowly reading your book ...too much info to read quickly ... .funny i just reread his playboy interview ...fascinating reading ...

Thanks robert im at work now but i w,ill try and d. When i get home...thansk got home and dl books ...awesome thanks again ...

I was wondering if anyone knows if jim garrison wrote anything more on the assassination after his last book and what happened to his papers in regard to the jfk assassination.

I have felt that the whole zapruder film being alterred is just a red herring or even worse a case for economic exploitation by greedy authors. Why would the government ie cia alter the film and Not show the head shot just going to the front instead of Back and to the left as Kevin costner so aptly put in Jfk.

With the fact that the cia has obviously tried to coverup details about their "possible" involvement in the assassination are the three tramps Hunt, Sturgis and Harrelson ?

I recently looked at jfk again with the oliver stone commentary and it was very enlightening...

Getting back to the main crux of the thread, how is this for a recommendation:

Simply ask people to re-watch the movie JFK!

I decided to watch this again with a couple of my kids (the "director's cut", ooh) and am amazed how well this film holds up. Back then, before the ARRB, this movie was able to put a fine point on at least 100 interesting facts about the case. Back then, I was a newbie and admired the movie for its dramatic elements (e.g., the DC exposition) and Stone's technical prowess. Over the years, I came to realize that the story was more compelling than I first thought and I would argue that most of us no longer consider it relevant. Even if we liked it, we feel that it's no longer current. However, looking back, I can see that this movie has all of the elements that we need going forward.

• A well-made, richly produced movie that dramatizes most of the important elements of the case
  
• An awesome cast (especially the likable Kevin Costner as the hero and the frenetic Joe Pesci as Ferrie)
  
• A plot that stitches everything together into a workable, believable narrative
  
• The places where Stone takes dramatic license are exactly the places where he should take dramatic license (e.g., Willie O'Keefe). Plus, he uses a fairly consistent practice of portraying the authenticity of elements proportionally; in other words, impressions are illustrated through innuendo and hearsay and facts are spoken of plainly and repeatedly.
  

Of course, some people will argue that the movie is over-long at 3:09, but I have a hard time believing that someone is going to do a lot better within that timeframe.

I have not yet addressed the goal of 50th anniversary actions, but how about we encourage our friends, families, and local schools to simply show this film again? It might inspire ARRB round two.

"Regardless of any personal opinion, the historical record is exceptionally clear that every major investigation - DPD, FBI, WC, HSCA - concluded Oswald shot President Kennedy. The record is just as clear that that finding has never been overturned" ... You mean the *governmental* record is exceptionally clear. The murderers of JFK were running the non-investigation into his death. Asking Lyndon Johnson, J. Edgar Hoover and Allen Dulles to "investigate" the murder of JFK - which has the fingerprints of LBJ, CIA, military intelligence all over it, is like asking John Gotti to investigate a mob hit.

DPD Dallas Police Dept. - under control of LBJ and billionaire oil executives who LBJ fingered in the JFK assassination.

LBJ - a perp

FBI - Hoover probably a perp. Very close to LBJ and Texas oil perps.

Warren Commission - Appointed, controlled, manipulated by LBJ, Hoover, Allen Dulles - very possibly all 3 were perps in the JFK assassination.

HSCA - After Richard Sprague kicked off, sabotaged by CIA, covered up by Robert Blakey with his phony "mob did it all" fantasy. Didn't someone steal a video (from the possession of HSCA) of Oswald at the CIA's training camp for anti-Castro operatives at Lake Pontchartrain? Now who would do that? CIA!

Clark Panel - sham cover up panel appointed by the Attorney General for the perp.

Rockefeller Commission - David Belin executive director, same guy putting up phony baloney Magic Bullet hilarious thigh slapping disinfo "theory" for Warren Commission.

Basically the murderers were running the non-investigation into JFK's death.

I have always thought there was a lot of truth in this passage:

[From Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition 1998 p. 638-639]:

“The Role of deep-cover CIA officer, Trenton Parker, has been described in earlier pages, and his function in the CIA's counter-intelligence unit, Pegasus. Parker had stated to me earlier that a CIA faction was responsible for the murder of JFK … During an August 21, 1993, conversation, in response to my questions, Parker said that his Pegasus group had tape recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy. I asked him, "What group were these tapes identifying?" Parker replied: "Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, Johnson of Texas, George Bush, and J. Edgar Hoover." I asked, "What was the nature of the conversation on these tapes?"

I don't have the tapes now, because all the tape recordings were turned over to [Congressman] Larry McDonald. But I listened to the tape recordings and there were conversations between Rockefeller, [J. Edgar] Hoover, where [Nelson] Rockefeller asks, "Are we going to have any problems?" And he said, "No, we aren't going to have any problems. I checked with Dulles. If they do their job we'll do our job." There are a whole bunch of tapes, because Hoover didn't realize that his phone has been tapped. [Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition p. 638-639]

Very nicely put mr morrow..i concur....

Hi jim thanks for your reply ...in regards to the rifle that oswald supposedly ordered i believe under a hidell I had read somewhere that the rifle found had matched the one "ordered". Do you where i can confirm that the rifles did not match ...thanks again

Thanks Bernice fasinating stuff....

Excellent point sounds reasonable thanks

From memory the very first reports concerning the rifle claimed it was a British Enfield. Two networks were broadcasting this around 2pm that afternoon.

It isn't a coincidence that Buell Wesley Frazier owned one and it's one reason why I don't believe any aspect of the "official" BWF story. As far as I can make out the Irving and Dallas Police were looking for Frazier quite soon after the assassination and it's likely that it was them who approached Linnie Mae Randle that afternoon rather than the official narrative's claim that Randle approached them. I believe this is why Randle sent the Irving Police to the wrong hospital when they said they wanted him for questioning.

For me, the Enfield reports provided incredible leverage against Frazier once the police caught hold of him.

Thanks for your replies i thnk i need to get the belzer book to see where his info is coming from ....

I just saw a richard belZer interview where he claims 3 rfiles were know to have been "discovered"...the mauser, and enfield and the manlicher carcano... if any one has any information on this please confirm ...thanks ...I had only heard of the manlicher and mauser...Hmm

yes rodney thanks that was the rumor i had heard ...shame it was killed