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Michael Hogan

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  1. Mr Gratz,

    In an attempt to provide the "proper syllogistic reasoning" you have conveniently shifted the discussion to your interpretation of John Simkin's reasoning rather than my discussion of your reasoning.

    You make the claim that obviously neither Williams nor Sowell are racists. Is that because of your interpretation of their statements on racial issues? Or is your claim in any way based upon the fact that the color of their skin happens to be black? Are you saying that therefore "intellectual blacks" cannot have views that are racist?

    Getting back to the point, please note that I was referring to your lack of syllogistic reasoning in your original post and not your "syllogistic" interpretation of John Simkin's reasoning. Is it so hard for you to see that?

    I realize that this is a forum pertaining to the debate on the assassination (murder) of JFK. I will attempt to keep my future posts on topic. In that vein, this is my last comment on this particular thread.

    Michael, sorry, here is the proper syllogism and syllogistic reasoning:

    MAJOR PREMISE: All economic conservatives are racist because the policies they espouse hurt blacks.

    MINOR PREMISE: Armstrong Williams and Thomas Sowell, among many others, are black intellectuals who support conservative economic policies.

    CONCLUSION: Armstrong Williams and Thomas Sowell are racists.

    The absurdity of the conclusion demonstrates that the major premise is wrong. Obviously neither Williams nor Sowell are racists. When a syllogism produces an absurd conclusion, it demonstrates that one of the premises of the arguments is wrong.

    Is it so hard for you to see the absurdity of the proposition that all economic conservatives are racists? I did note in your bio that you have enough sense to move to Florida!

  2. I find it ironic that one can lecture others on syllogistic reasoning and critical thinking and then fail to employ same in their own arguments. For an overview on syllogistic reasoning see: http://changingminds.org/explanations/deci...c_reasoning.htm

    In an attempt to label John Simkin's "charge" as absurd, the author makes the claim that because "many black intellectuals support the same positions" as he does, the author cannot be hypocritical in his views on civil rights. First of all, this claim erroneously assumes that because one's skin color is black, and is assumed by some to be "intellectual," that person cannot be hypocritical when it comes to civil rights.

    That is a racist conclusion in its own right.

    Here is an example:

    Armstrong Williams is a black intellectual who supports the economic policies of the Bush administration.

    I support the economic policies of the Bush Administration

    Therefore, it is absurd to claim that I am hypocritical when it comes to civil rights

    Quoting the referenced link on syllogistic reasoning:

    "Beware of making linked assertions that seem reasonable but in fact are logically incorrect. You can, of course, make such assertions deliberately, using logic that seems valid to persuade. If you do this, of course, you run the risk of the other person exposing your false logic."

    John recently made the absurd charge that I was a racist, or a hypocrite on civil rights, because I supported economically conservative positions that he believed would hurt black people. That thesis is, of course, absurd, and its absurdity is easily demonstrated by the fact that there are many black intellectuals who support the same positions I do.......

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