Mark Wilson

13 hours ago, Ron Ecker said:

I'm not "calling out" Rich and Greg about anything. I don't know what they saw. But compare "the other film" to a scientific theory. A theory to be valid is supposed to be testable. It has to be subject to verification. Well, a film that is claimed to show certain things has to be viewable. It matters little if some people viewed it at some time in the past. What if they're mistaken about what they saw? If no one can view the film in question to verify what it shows, the notion of what it shows can't be tested. The existence of the film itself can't be tested if no one even knows where it is. It seems to have just gone poof.

 

 

 

I'd love to view the "other film".I read that as many as 7 researchers have observed the film we"re discussing.Let's be honest,the Zapruder film fits with the official government explanation with the exception of "back and to the left",imo.There are dozens of witnesses that claimed the limo stopped,not seen in Zapruder.The descriptions of the "other film" both estimate a 2-4 second stop or extreme slowing,before the fatal headshot, which fits more with the witnesses' comments that were there.

Nice topic......I'll be damn....the more things change...you know the rest.

23 minutes ago, Ron Ecker said:

 

The film that David Josephs spoke of (if it exists at all) is undoubtedly a re-creation that was filmed in Dealey Plaza for a movie.......DVP

Hey Ron....When i posted this response,i thought of you.You've been here longer than me and certainly can remember the good ol' days when the content of threads had substance.Are calling out Rich and Greg's testimony's as viewing a re-creation? Rich and Greg have and had forgotten more about the JFK assassination than I'll ever know.Not looking to get into a pissing match but to your credit,i have to think you've been aware the "other film" you call bigfoot for quite a few years....?

On 3/22/2018 at 4:56 PM, David Von Pein said:

 

The film that David Josephs spoke of (if it exists at all) is undoubtedly a re-creation that was filmed in Dealey Plaza for a movie. There have been several of these type of re-creations done for films and mini-series, such as the scene below (which was filmed for the 3-hour TV movie "The Trial Of Lee Harvey Oswald" in 1977). But to think that a REAL (11/22/63) film exists that shows the things David Josephs mentioned is laughable. No "real" film of that nature exists. And it's humorous to think that anyone could possibly think it does.

 

Mr. Von Pein....You're my favorite lone nutterist and I sincerely appreciate all of your videos,ect...now, generally,you don't contradict your position with any videos you put out there.In the JFK research community.The term "other film" does not apply to the recreation video you posted.I am saddened that this thread has went 5 more pages from your initial postage and no one else has adressed this error on your part...For clarification....the "other film" describes a movie shot from a similar location as Zapruder but tells a different story than the Zapruder Film of the murder of JFK...I  know of 2 researchers on the record that have seen the "other film".The late Rich Dellarosa and Greg Burnham,both have Youtube videos out there describing what they observered on the "other film".Both of their descriptions were consistent with one another.While Greg is evasive about the circumstance which he viewed the film,Rich,who i believe,viewed it on multiple times years apart,initially saw this movie at the University of Maryland.Mr. Dellarosa also wrote an appendix in one of Dr. Fetzer's books that was identical to his Youtube testimony of the "other film".Rich Dellarosa and Greg Burnham,imo, both have unimpeccable character/ honesty and are my heroes and legends in the JFK community.

well...i will throw a few more names out there that were contributors in TMWKK...Gary Shaw,Larry Harris,Bill Turner,Doug Weldon,andJack White....Were they National Enquirer or CIA?.....Whatever you choose to call them or claim their motives were.....they're hero's of mine.

TMWKK was a decent series imo....Turner was all over the place,much like Jim Marrs in Crossfire.....One can critcize TMWKK but there were important interviews,like; Phil Willis and family,Bill/Gayle Newman, Billy Hargis,Aubrey Rike,the exposure of the SS stand down at Love Field moments before the killing,interviews with the Parkland doctors,interviews concerning the autopsy in Bethesda and more...Turner threw alot of theories out there much like Marrs,but both touched on areas/witness' that,well, the Warren Commission ignored.On that point,thumbs up over here....One other question......If the TMWKK is so ridiculous and off base,why was it bannned from the History channel? all the while Dale Myers and others from Shillville get exposure?

Hello,folks,been a while.Important topic...I always thought the Dallas doctors had no reason to lie and were the best witness'...Malcom Kilduff's emotional statement and description of the cause of death has always resonated with me...Kilduff was clearly "in the loop" on this tragic day.

Good point,David.There is little known info about what Oswald said,after and and during his apprehention and interrogation.

David,

I chose these descriptions on purpose.

Reread George Hickey's:

He states "the first shot of the second two".

It's wordplay about the shot order.

It more than agrees with Bower's.

A government agent behind JFK, and a witness with a clear memory.

chris

Hi Chris.Great work.Unbelievably,none of the Secret Service agents, which statements you've provided, were deemed important enough to be called to testify before the Warren Commission.Ironically, the agents in the Queen Mary had the best view of the assassination but,only, Clint Hill was called to testify before the WC.IMO,it's a mistake to limit the shot sequence to only three shots.Although,nearly every statement or witness testimony, known to exist, points to a three shot scenerio...Here's what Kellermen had to say to the WC;

Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Kellerman, you said earlier that there were at least two additional shots. Is there any area in your mind or possibility, as you recollect that situation, that there could have been more than two shots, or are you able to say with any certainty?

Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say that I have, from the firecracker report and the two other shots that I know, those were three shots. But, Mr. Specter, if President Kennedy had from all reports four wounds, Governor Connally three, there have got to be more than three shots, gentlemen.

Senator COOPER. What is that answer? What did he say?

Mr. SPECTER. Will you repeat that, Mr. Kellerman?

Mr. KELLERMAN. President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our reports, had three. There have got to be more than three shots.

Representative FORD. Is that why you have described--

Mr. KELLERMAN. The flurry.

Representative FORD. The noise as a flurry?

Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right, sir.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm#c

When you look at the evidence from the gunshots and ignore the statements/testimony,3 shots could never have done all of the reported damage.I wonder if Kellerman was aware of the Tauge evidence?

Mr.Carroll,Although we agree that Oswald was innocent in the assassination,we differ on your position that Oswald was not involved in any kind intelligence.At a minimum,he was involved in some kind of domestic intelligence involving the FBI.I've come to this conclusion based on,1)his arrest in New Orleans and interview with the FBI,2)his interaction with Hosty, and 3)Waggoner Carr's claim that Oswald was receiving $200 a month from the FBI during the months of 9/62 through 11/63...Hoover later denied this tidbit,but who are you going to believe? Oswald being paid by the FBI at the time he supposedly killed JFK,of course Hoover would deny this..I think Oswald was a good guy.If he was trying to expose the assassination plot,as i think he was,he had to be killed.What other reason can there be that Oswald was in custody for around 2 days and for the most part(less Fritz's notes) there's no real record of any interrogation.

Mark,

I personally think the idea that Oswald was trying to expose the plot is a bit silly. Surely all he would have had to do was phone the FBI or the DPD or yell for help as soon as he realised what was going on? But he didn't. While someone was up on the sixth floor shooting Kennedy, Oswald was sitting in the first floor lunch room reading a newspaper and eating a cheese sandwich.

Presumably what you're suggesting is that Oswald knew the people involved and, therefore, new about the plot in advance? If that was the case then why did he make no attempt to stop it? Again, all he would have had to do was call the feds and say "There's a plot to kill Kennedy in Dealey Plaza on Friday. These are the people involved - go arrest 'em!"

Hi Martin.Your criticism of my theory is understandable.In defense of my theory,we have the Hosty note and the FBI telex warning of the assassination attempt.In regards to the FBI telex,there was someone who accurately predicted the scenerio played out in Dealey Plaza.There is no proof that Oswald was the source of the telex,but we have the proof that the FBI was informed of the plot in advance and did nothing to prevent it...So your question of why didnt Oswald phone the FBI or DPD is mute because someone did notify the FBI in advance and as we see,nothing was done.For all we know,Oswald did exactly what you've implied he didnt do....What we do know is there was alot of disinformation on Oswald from the very beginning,like him being a defector,the Fair play for Cuba,the Cuban embassy "episode" ,beating his wife, and how about the alleged statement made by Oswald at the time of the arrest,"I got me a president and a cop and i'll go for 2 more".? In regards to Oswalds alleged statement when arrested,this is in stark contrast from his statements captured by tv cameras while in custody,like, "i'm just a patsy", "i didnt kill anyone", or his request that he be given legal assistance...It's beyond belief that the APB on Oswald,within the hour, closed the case...Of the many witnesses to the assassination,there is a bevy of conflicting testimony and accounts, who were all looking at the same incident. Yet,we are supposed believe that with the capture of Oswald, the case was solved...Oswald had to be killed before a trial or even before securing an attorney. No Oswald,no trial,no resistance....no problems.

Why am I not surprised that Dawn has found common cause with an obvious bigot like Wilson and has stooped to labelling Jim DiEugenio a "lone nut dimwit"? The funny thing is if you take a look at the Deep Phertalizer Forum she is one of the saner people there, Wilson would fit right in.

Len,

The quote you pasted on this thread by Mark Wilson was not complete. You removed the first sentence of his post. He was responding to another poster (Scott?).

I included the relevant portions, the excluded sentence was (ellipses {and punctuation errors} his) “Hi Scott.....these kind of statements are what i'm talking about....rather than participate and offer alternative ideas you deal the anti semite card straight from the bottom of the deck.”, it did not change the import of the rest of what he said i.e.

- his focus no Billy Graham’s statement to Nixon that “"The [Jewish media] stranglehold has got to be broken” as if it were evidence this were true and evidence they helped cover up Israel’s and North American Jews’ roles in the assassination

- his apparent belief that the Duke Lacrosse team controversy was less newsworthy because the complainant was a “black stripper”

The guy may be wrong about history but I don't see him as "anti-semitic". The same can be said about Jim Fetzer.

This from Terry “Them some Jews” Mauro, cultish follower of infamous anti-Semite Lyndon LaRouche and former subscriber of Willis Carto’s Spotlight. Take a look at the Freedman tripe he posted, I imagine even you will “see [it] as "anti-Semitic"”.

I have not read one word that "Jews" were responsible for WWI, WWII...(fill in the blank) from the link/material you have provided us. I do read criticism of what these guys call the Zionists. You seem to think it's perfectly okay to remove the word Zionist and replace it with "Jew".

As I explained in the linked post the author usually used the term “Zionist” as a euphemism but is clear he is talking about Jews because:

1) Several of the Jews he claimed pushed Wilson in WWI were not Zionists.

2) In the chapter about WWII he said, “Hitler and the Nazi party soon seized control of the German media, banks, and universities away from the influential Zionists who had reigned supreme in those institutions.” But of course the Nazi’s racial codes forced all Jews (and even grandchildren of Jews) out of “media, banks, and universities” regardless of their influence, politics or religious practices.

3) In the same chapter he also wrote:

A few years later, Lord Beaverbrook, a British newspaper magnate issued this warning about the Zionist influence over the British press. Beaverbrook warned:

"There are 20,000 German Jews who have come here to England. They all work against an agreement with Germany. The Jews have got a big position in the press here. Their political influence is driving us into the direction of war."

[…]

In the spring of 1940, the war in the West began when Germany launched pre-emptive invasions of Norway, Holland, and Belgium, pinning the British and French forces on the beaches of Belgium. Beaverbrook’s prediction was realized.

Note that Beaverbrook only mentioned the Jews not specifying “Zionists” but ‘Pastore’ said his “prediction” that Jews “political influence is driving [britain] into the direction of war" “was realized”. This fits a pattern in the chapters he refers to “Zionists” but sites sources that referred to Jews. Some of the quotes seem to be made up more on that below.

Pastore’s claims are rubbish anyway:

- The US entered WWI because of 1) the Zimmermann Telegram (in which the Germans tried to get Mexico to agree to enter in the war against the US if they entered 2) continued U-boat attacks on US ships.

- Britain and France declared war on Germany because Hitler continued to abide by his previous agreements. At Munich he said he had no territorial aims beyond the Sudetenland but soon took over all of Czechoslovakia he then set his sites on all of Poland (not just the parts that had belonged to Germany). Britain and France declared publicly guaranteed Poland’s territorial integrity. In both cases it was the German government not Jews (Zionist or otherwise).

- As I pointed out the Jabotinsky seems to have been made up the only hits were from book or to forum/blog posts. The Beaverbrook quote almost certainly was. It too only appears on forum and blogs, the cited source was merely “Beaverbrook papers. House of Lords Records Service” no specific document or even year was cited. Beaverbrook was a friend of Churchill and one of the people responsible for bringing down pro Nazi King George.

And what about you! You falsely accused Lyndon LaRouche for example, of being a racist,

I showed that was the case but you simply denied the obvious. All of the 2 - 3 members who commented agreed that I was correct. Notably you refused my suggestion that a mutually arbiter decide our bet, presumably that was because you knew you’d loose.

and then we come to find out that your father Frank Colby was a high ranking executive for the very same people that were running a "sterilization" program against African American's in Winston Salem.

Untrue as has been pointed out to you, my dad started working for RJR in the 1950’s, the sterilization program run out of a hospital funded by an endowment from Bowman Gray who was chairman of the company till his death in 1935. The school and hospital had no direct relationship with the company.

Furthermore your father got into this country via Cuba by working for Chaim Weizman's "Commercial Solvents" as a chemist.

Wrong on several accounts as has already been pointed out to you

1) My dad came to the US with an immigration not a sponsored work visa

2) His first job in the US was with Industrial Tape Corporation (part of Johnson & Johnson) in New Brunswick, New Jersey

3) Commercial Solvents Corp. paid Weizmann a royalty for exclusive rights to his patented process for producing acetone. He was a university professor and politician not a partner or employee of the company. I doubt anyone here but you (and perhaps Fetzer) thinks Weizmann was the devil incarnate.

http://butanol.com/docs/Weizman-Terre_Haute.doc

Of course none of this is relevant to whether or not “Pastore”, Fetzer, Wilson or Larrouche (or you) are anti-Semites or racists.

Colby,You've proved my point.You are a double standard.In both of my statements,that you use as your examples that i'm a bigot and or anti semetic,I was merely quoting each case as the media had reported them...Is the reverand Billy Graham a bigot or ant semetic? When Nixon and Graham had this conversation,Nixon was POTUS and Graham was probably the most influential Christian in America.My statement was in the context that if Graham and Nixon held these views 30 years ealier,is it such a reach that the same elements which they discussed still had america by the throat 30 plus years later??

Moving along to the Duke lacross rape case,which was thrown out of court for lack of evidence.My point was it was a non story to begin with,but your media ran with it night after night,with the emphasis on the race factor, instead of reporting real stories like the United States being duped into a hunt for WMD that still havent been found.All the while,the people doing your bidding not the bidding of America,like Wolfowitz,Perle,Feith,Cheney are given a free pass and virtually no media coverage to lie and fabricate stories about WMD,yellowcake,mushroom clouds,pre-emptive strikes,ect.All the while, it's ignored that there is only one country in the middle east with WMD or the capability to create mushroom clouds...Colby,you must know how i feel about you and your tactics,but i must admit you're very good at what you do.Your efforts to twist,turn,deflect,label, and especially changing subjects is impressive.

I agree.The whole investigation into Oswald has led nowhere.Just where it was supposed to.

Thank you Mr. Wilson. It seems you and I are fairly lonely here in considering Lee Oswald a COMPLETELY innocent man, falsely accused by LN's and CT's alike.

I note that John Newman's book, Oswald and the CIA, is seldom mentioned on this forum. Newman has gone a long way towards identifying some of the individuals who framed Lee Oswald, but there is one VERY IMPORTANT mistake in his book, where he alludes to Oz being present at the assassination scene with a rifle.

Apart from that, Newman does a brilliant job of tracking down the small group of CIA officers who secretly and carefully monitored Lee Oswald's movements, right up to his employment at the TSBD. The next step, (I think Jim Root has recently pointed this out) was to arrange for the motorcade to pass the TSBD and the grassy knoll AT A VERY SLOW SPEED. Now the plot includes certain members of the Secret Service (and beyond).

Lee Oswald, contrary to misinformed opinion, was no agent of any intelligence agency, and he was not a spy of any kind. He was just a guy who liked to think and act for himself, and of course his views evolved as he learned from life's experiences. John Newman seems to have begun by suspecting that OZ may have been a spy, but a careful reading of Newman's book shows that in the end he is not prepared to accuse Oz of spying for anyone. Newman does make it very clear, however, that Oz was very much the TARGET of spies.

For the benefit of some members here who don't seem to understand, there is a difference between being a spy, and being SPIED UPON.

Precisely because he was totally innocent, and knew nothing whatsoever about the crime, all the endless probing of his life has led precisely nowhere (and as for the know-nothings who insist on probing his wife as well -- don't get me started!)

Since Oz was completely innocent, and the "evidence" against him was so flimsy, the plotters decided ahead of time that he could not be allowed to live long enough to speak to a lawyer.

So to all the Oswald accusers out there, whether you consider yourself an LN or a CT, I cite the old Sufi saying:

Oh Pilgrim, I fear you will never reach Mecca

For you are on the road to Turkestan.

Mr.Carroll,Although we agree that Oswald was innocent in the assassination,we differ on your position that Oswald was not involved in any kind intelligence.At a minimum,he was involved in some kind of domestic intelligence involving the FBI.I've come to this conclusion based on,1)his arrest in New Orleans and interview with the FBI,2)his interaction with Hosty, and 3)Waggoner Carr's claim that Oswald was receiving $200 a month from the FBI during the months of 9/62 through 11/63...Hoover later denied this tidbit,but who are you going to believe? Oswald being paid by the FBI at the time he supposedly killed JFK,of course Hoover would deny this..I think Oswald was a good guy.If he was trying to expose the assassination plot,as i think he was,he had to be killed.What other reason can there be that Oswald was in custody for around 2 days and for the most part(less Fritz's notes) there's no real record of any interrogation.

Note that I’m posing this as a question, while I believe I have a point I will reserve coming to final conclusion until I have heard from others. Two months ago David Lifton became upset when he discovered that Fetzer not only endorsed but read on air a very anti-Semitic book and was associated with a similarly bigoted website. Fetzer then brought this to the forum’s attention but vigorously denied there was anything wrong with either, he claimed they were merely anti-Zionist not anti-Jewish. When I pointed out that Lifton was right Fetzer challenged me to prove that the book and site were racist. I started a new thread that demonstrates to any reasonable person that what David and I asserted was correct. Unfortunately that thread was blocked with 10 posts but as of just now it has been viewed 447 times, an average of 44.7 views per post which indicates around 50 people were following it because some will have visited after more than one post has been made. That is significantly above the forum average.

What surprised me though is that no one, besides me, criticized Fetzer either on the locked thread before it was shutdown or on the “Lifton Attacks Fetzer” one which is still active. Perhaps I’m wrong but I imagine if Ken Rahn, the Bug, McAdams, Posner et al were discovered to be backing sites or books like that members here would have lined up to condemn then for it. Or let’s bring it closer to home what if DVP or Craig or some other LN who posts here back such bigotry here, wouldn’t they be “crucified” for it?

Fetzer is of course not very popular but I am speculating even those who don’t like him don’t want to focus on ‘one of our own’ backing such ugliness. There is of course another factor the infamous “Wrath of Fetzer” but people have confronted it (him) over other topics.

Link to the thread http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16296

It was locked at 11:09 AM (GMT) Aug. 1 it’s currently on page 5 of the index:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showforum=126&prune_day=100&sort_by=Z-A&sort_key=last_post&topicfilter=all&st=60

Colby,You're the worst thing that ever happened to the Education Forum.The truth is, you want to run and moderate the forum....Here's an example, from a few years back, of you telling John Simkin how he should run his forum, where you got your panties in a bunch and gave us a preview of the future.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6130

....and now you have the audacity to start a thread critcizing the Education Forum of some double standard..You are the double standard.I'm going to be very surprised if your plea turns into a sing along with Len Colby.Your motives are clear, For anyone that has had to sift through your garbage whilst legitimate attempts of debate and discussion are give little or no chance to breath.

Hello Mr.Carroll,I also believe Oswald to be innocent.

Well I guess that makes TWO of us so thank you. I have been very lonely up to now.

But I am still not following you.

Just follow that Oswald.

If Lee Oswald was completely innocent, as I maintain (and I thought you did too) then following him will lead you exactly where it has lead AMERICANS up to now for the last forty-odd years,

Which is completely NOWHERE!

I agree.The whole investigation into Oswald has led nowhere.Just where it was supposed to.

In the world of JFK assassination research, there are only TWO kinds of people.

There are the Oswald DEFENDERS, of whom I am one, and there are the Oswald ACCUSERS, who include the Warren Commission, Vince Bugliosi, Jim Garrison, and the House Select Committee on Assassinations (to mention just a few)

I hope I am wrong, but from recent discussions here, it seems that I am the only Oswald defender on this forum.

When the Oswald accusers run out of gas (which doesn't take long) they start accusing his widow, who told the world (then & Now) that she herself had no knowledge whatsoever about the assassination.

Anyone who has been reading this forum of late will know that the MAJORITY of members are OSWALD ACCUSERS (INCLUDING MARINA Accusers)

I would like to know whether there is ANYBODY ELSE on this forum, besides myself, who thinks that Lee Oswald was an INNOCENT man who was framed for a crime he would NEVER HAVE COUNTENANCED

If you are an Oswald accuser, please do me a favor and DON'T BOTHER TO REPLY.

Hello Mr.Carroll,I also believe Oswald to be innocent.I think Oswald is the ultimate red herring inserted into the picture from the very beginning.47 years later, probably 50%,or more,of JFK assassination books,articles,documentaries,and internet discussions are still dominated about Oswald in one way or another...IMHO,Oswald was more likely to have been attempting to prevent the assassination of JFK, in the weeks leading up to it, than participating in the plot.The perfect red herring.The crime of the century,it really was easy.Just follow that Oswald.

Hi Mr.Kelly.I thought about this thread and Sid Walker when i read your Rendezvous At Dealey Plaza II topic,but my forum search turned up empty......Sam Bloom defies logic when you ask yourself,what are the odds??, that Oswald had worked on a Sam Bloom account,Bloom received a donation from Ruby, Bloom participated in the planning of the most infamous motorcade route in the history of America,Bloom was related to the owner of the DalTex building, and Bloom may have had the ear of Judge Joe Brown during Ruby's trial.....alot of coincidences involving Bloom.

I'd say the Military.By 10/62 it was clear JFK wasn't going to engage in any military action that didn't include blockades and diplomacy.This had to infuriate the "hawks" around him, earlier in 1962 JFK had rebuked Operation Northwoods and in 10/62 JFK wants diplomacy when nuclear missles are pointed at the United States.I also don't discount the indignation felt by the JCS by being left off of the EXCOMM committee,other than Max Taylor,JFK's hand picked chief.I believe JFK looked at Lemnitzer,LeMay,and others of their ilk as immoral and i think Leminitzer,ect looked at JFK as a traitor....JFK had many more enemies.The top of the military chain is as high as it gets.The power and information intake of military intelligence is underrated and as i see it,the participants are military intelligence before they are CIA,FBI,Secret Service,Dallas Police Dept, or wherever they end up.I think it started with Jfk's handling of the Cuban Missle Crisis and ended on an autopsy table under military control.JFK was clearly a "dove" among rabid "hawks".All the CIA,Mob,Cuban connections to the case is brilliant work by the conspirators to draw in more of JFK's lesser enemies to deflect blame...Just like 9/11, the JFK assassination was solved within hours and coincidently the official version of both events were cemented on the same day.,If the military didn't kill JFK, they surely could've saved him..

Hello All.I have a question about the Spartacus index,I noticed that there are no entries for the following witnesses,J.C.Price,Richard Dodd, or Bill and Gayle Newman and I'm was curious about their ommissions. Thanks

Do I have an agenda? Well, let me say this: The Jews are God's chosen people and I will get to heaven despite my sins--and they are myriad--because a Jew died for me.

Two of my best friends are Jews, and they have two lovely young boys. Fifty years ago your hero Adolph Hitler would have had husband and father and both of their children brutally murdered.

Therefore I will rise against any one who denies the evils of Naziism (or Communism for that matter; the Communists also hated and killed Jews.

If you are not Collins, have the testicles to identify yourself in your very next post!!

Gratz,i admire you for being honest.This has to be most truthful statement that you've ever posted.

As to your question about my identity,my name is Mark Wilson,I'm not Michael Collins Piper.My profile hasn't changed since i joined the forum.I'll try to get a picture up by the weekend,so you can have a face to toss the nazi,anti semite, and communist compliments to.

sorry, my friend, Collins--is that by any chance YOU--your posts sound like HIM--is the xxxx, not I.

The Publisher's Weekly Review of "Support Any Friend: The Making Of the America-Israel Alliance" by Warren Bass.

From Publishers Weekly

A forested memorial in Israel, Yad Kennedy, includes the sculpted stump of a felled tree, a tribute to the president cut down in his youth. To Bass, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, the Kennedy presidency, despite the professional Arabists in the State Department, shifted America's Middle East policy toward Israel, selling arms to the Jewish state, fudging inspections of its nuclear initiative and openly engaging in security cooperation. The intransigence of Arab states toward Israel had eroded the stern limits on arms sales to Israel set by the chilly Eisenhower-Dulles regime. Egypt's Gamal Abdul Nasser had gambled on an unprofitable merger with Syria and a hemorrhaging venture into Yemen to try to create, with Soviet Cold War assistance, a noose around Israel. It failed, and Kennedy's suspicion of Nasser's pro-Soviet position distanced the two men. The young president found that he had little to lose in cautiously supporting Israel, as the Soviet Union was openly cajoling some Arab nationalists into becoming clients who would prove useless while repelling others who feared for their thrones. Despite breaking foreign policy taboos, the Kennedy administration, Bass concedes, hardly addressed the intractable regional problems. Readers may nod over Bass's relentless detail, but he establishes his case that the Kennedy administration was "the true origin of America's alliance" with Israel, illuminating in the process some new and humanizing facets of Kennedy's management style and rehabilitating the savvy and subtle leadership skills of Israeli prime minister Levi Eshkol, successor to the combative David Ben-Gurion. B&w photos.

Copyright 2003 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

Kirkus Reviews, April 2nd, 2003

"Shows with admirable clarity just how keen a ... practitioner of foreign policy JFK truly was ... in contrast with his ... successors." --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

Warren Bass is a senior member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He is an expert on America's foreign relations. Here is the most impoirtant point that I hope others will read--I don't expect you to, Collins.

"The Kennedy administration was the 'true origin of America's alliance' with Israel."

It would make no sense at all for Israel to kill Kennedy. But that won't stop an anti-Semite, who DOES have an agenda.

I will bet you a dollar to a Dunkin Donut you've never read this book, whatever your real name is.

Don't even have the courage to tell the Forum who you are!! My gosh!!

Gratz,You're comical and i owe you a donut.

As I have discussed at length on previous threads Michael Piper Collins is a notorious anti-Semite and Holocaust denier. JFK and RFK were great friends of the state of Israel and there is no evidence to support Collins' theory which is obviously fueled by his hatred of Jews.

Gratz,You're a xxxx and your statement proves you will stop at nothing to further your agenda.

JFK was no great friend of the State of Israel.His position was very clear,Israel was to abide by the Tripartite Declaration of 1950,remember that small after thought of yesteryear.RFK was known by many to make anti semitic slurs in private. JFK's and RFK's father,Joseph Kennedy had well known anti semitic views not withstanding wanting to appease Hitler.

The theory that the assassination of JFK and the attempts on DeGaulle were linked is also explored in Michel Collins Piper's "Final Judgment", which focuses on the Mossad connection to the assassination of JFK. It is definitely worthy of research.

Pamela,

I agree. As regular readers of the Forum would be aware, I believe Mossad was involved in the assassination. JFK was involved in a bitter dispute with Ben-Gurion over Israel's nuclear weapons at the time of his death. When LBJ moved into the White House, Israel was rewarded by increased military aid and a sham inspection regime which allowed them to become the only nuclear power in the region--something Ben-Gurion and Shimon Peres had promised to JFK would not happen.

Good points,Pamela and Mark.Both JFK and DeGaulle were enemies of Israel's interests,JFK in regards to Israel's nuclear project and DeGaulle in regards to Israel's opposition to Algeria's independence.Final Judgement is a must read,imo,when looking at theories involving the assassination of JFK and the attempted assassination of DeGaulle..It has been awhile since i read Final Judgement.I thought Piper did an outstanding job showing that,coincidently??,many of the same journalists and authors that embraced,promoted,and advertised the "Oswald lone nut Communist assassin did it theory" were also shills for other Israeli interests at later dates...Back on topic,anyone interested in the DeGaulle assassination attempt with in the context of the JFK assassination should read Final Judgement.

Thanks,Peter for the additional information.Coincidently,I just started another book,Government by Gunplay edited by Sid Blumenthal and Harvey Yazijian copyright 1976 First edition.The book is comprised of several articles related to the JFK assassination,the RFK assassination, the Vietnam war,the shooting of George Wallace,and Watergate.The list of contributors include; Robert Groden,Bob Katz,Allard Lowenstein,Jeff Cohen,William Turner,Sid Blumenthal ,Robert Fink,Peter Dale Scott,Carl Oglesby,Jeff Pollicoff, and L.Fletcher Prouty.Early in Government by Gunplay there is a section written by Bob Katz entitled "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald?".Katz also touches on the same NASA connection,pages 18 -19 by mentioning Alfred Claude,"Oswald's immediate supervisor"(without naming Emmett Barbee),John Branyon,and Dante Marachini moving on from the Reily Coffee Company to the Chrysler Aerospace Division at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration site in New Orleans.